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[Mattsky]

In all the conversations I've seen on this topic, I can't recall reading anything on ball deformation.
Specifically, no  matter how advanced and rigid lids become, can it be the case that a ball can deform and compress enough to squeeze between grill and peak?
After all, they're not made of steel, are they. Surely a ball made from cork and leather deforms when it hits a helmet or grill at around 80mph? It wouldn't need to compress that much, either.
And if that's the case, unless the gap between peak and grill is significantly reduced, can any current helmet ever be 100% safe?

Be interesting to hear if anyone has compiled some stats on ball deformation at speed.

[sarg]

I'd say it's the peak of the helmet that lifts, rather than the ball deforming or grill bending.

[WalkingWicket37]

I'd say it's the peak of the helmet that lifts, rather than the ball deforming or grill bending.

That was a problem, hence the AdiTek being designed so it doesn't...

[tim2000s]

I suspect we'll find out soon enough.  Ali we can do is speculate and create conjecture.

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[El Nino]

Noticing a lot of the aussies (Clarke, Hughes etc) still wearing the old masuris, would've thought masuri qould tell them to use the vision series?

[thegowerwaft]

Interesting spot.  This seems odd on several levels:

-  with the coming season cricket stores in Aus will have lined up the new style helmets... only for the test squad to keep the old ones.  Not brilliant for sales over the coming months (most stores are showing arrival time of mid Sept for the vision series).

-  Masuri report that they have spent a lot of money on R&D and would surely want their sponsored players in the new helmets?  Linked to first point on securing sales this coming season... not great marketing if the top players haven't upgraded.

- if you were playing at this level, would you not want the, reportedly, latest/ safest spec helmet irrespective of which sponsor you are with i.e. Masuri players wear vision series, addidas wear ...., etc, etc.  Is this down to the reduced vision point again or increased weight of Masuris or just old habits and rituals of the Aus batsmen?

[KettonJake]

So much going on with helmets at the moment, the likes of GM and GN have launched new helmets that they seem very confident will meet the new regulations despite looking relatively 'normal' - yet masuri and ayrtek both have radically different designs to the previous 'norm' - ie the standard masuri test shape.

No test has actually taken place yet to my knowledge. The testing houses are online and it's all happening right now. Helmets can be tested to the specified criteria by the manufacturer so they can essentially self certify and say 'we will pass' but the actual tests will happen soon.

Oddly, the Shrey topic (one I have avidly followed) is closed to new posts. The vitriol from a chap called Vic was excessive. His prediction that Shrey will dominate the market was always going to backfire on him. Many, many internationals are now in the new Masuris, even some sub continental players (the very ones who are most likely to ignore any kind of regulation/be paid handsomely by the likes of Shrey/Forma) are donning new Masuris.

Eyes peeled for test results.

[Vic Nicholas]

So much going on with helmets at the moment, the likes of GM and GN have launched new helmets that they seem very confident will meet the new regulations despite looking relatively 'normal' - yet masuri and ayrtek both have radically different designs to the previous 'norm' - ie the standard masuri test shape.

No test has actually taken place yet to my knowledge. The testing houses are online and it's all happening right now. Helmets can be tested to the specified criteria by the manufacturer so they can essentially self certify and say 'we will pass' but the actual tests will happen soon.

Oddly, the Shrey topic (one I have avidly followed) is closed to new posts. The vitriol from a chap called Vic was excessive. His prediction that Shrey will dominate the market was always going to backfire on him. Many, many internationals are now in the new Masuris, even some sub continental players (the very ones who are most likely to ignore any kind of regulation/be paid handsomely by the likes of Shrey/Forma) are donning new Masuris.

Eyes peeled for test results.

The only vitriol in that thread you mentioned were attacks AGAINST me, not BY ME.

Shrey is booming my friend and the Indian stars wear them. Give them time and they will make inroads into Australia as well.

The deceit peddled that a certain English brand was the safest because it was...errr, well, English, did not cut it with me then and in light of recent events still does not cut it with me now.

"But our helmets have passed all our own internal testing...so they must be the safest in the world". Yeah, right.

People will vote with their feet.

[Vic Nicholas]

Faf Du Plessis:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-triangular-series-2014/content/image/778553.html?object=44828

Virat Kohli:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/776213.html?object=253802;page=1

Ravindra Jajeda:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/765923.html?object=234675;page=1

Rohit Sharma:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/774683.html?object=34102

Mohammed Shami and Bhuvneshwar Kumar:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/759143.html?object=326016;page=1

Brendan McCullum:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-new-zealand-2014/content/image/756413.html?object=37737

Kumar Sangakkara:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/image/735361.html?object=50710;page=4

Thisara Perera
http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-2014/content/image/723971.html?object=233514;page=1

Akmal brothers:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/image/730347.html?object=41028;page=1

Jacques Kallis:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702107.html?object=45789;page=2

Graeme Smith:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702809.html?object=47270;page=2

Lahiru Thirimanna
http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-2014/content/image/722761.html?object=301236;page=2

Jesse Ryder:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/content/image/712627.html?object=38373

...and on and on it goes...

Shrey will not be going away any time soon...

[Aussie]

If I may ask a question:

How do International teams order their helmets? Do they get a certain amount of each brand and let the players choose them? I ask this because a lot of countries wear nearly every brand. The Aussies has blokes in Albions, Masuris, Grey Nichols and GM. I realise that the GM and GN helmets are for GM and GN sponsored players. But with Albions and Masuris and other brands on display, I'm just wondering how it all works.
Take the Aussies for example. It appeared that Masuri made all the new Aussie helmets, then Chris Rogers appeared in a plastic albion.

[Ayrtek Cricket]

some nations have sponsorship deals whilst others prefer to leave it down to the players to choose as its an item thats for their personal protection.

[KettonJake]

The only vitriol in that thread you mentioned were attacks AGAINST me, not BY ME.

Shrey is booming my friend and the Indian stars wear them. Give them time and they will make inroads into Australia as well.

The deceit peddled that a certain English brand was the safest because it was...errr, well, English, did not cut it with me then and in light of recent events still does not cut it with me now.

"But our helmets have passed all our own internal testing...so they must be the safest in the world". Yeah, right.

People will vote with their feet.

I of course understand the need to defend oneself, perhaps though there is a reason why you and you alone seem to be on this one man vendetta? Yes others have made comments in support of your view, but not to the same relentless extent. I do admire your passion though. If you love Shrey so be it, who am I to change your mind? It has been said before to no avail but I'll try anyway. This is not a British conspiracy. The requirement for safer helmets came from the ICC medical panel.

Now, I'm not going to reply to your list with my own very extensive one, as we all know there are now very significant numbers of internationals/prominent pros wearing new masuri helmets, including Glenn Maxwell and Cameron White

What I will do is correct a couple of 'mistakes'

Rohit and Virat are not wearing Shrey branded helmets, they may be Shrey, they may be old Masuris, and yes I know they are the same thing from the same place, but the whole Shrey project is surely about brand awareness? They aren't going to do too well white labelling.

Kumar and Thirimanne have been wearing Masuri for a while now. Presumably voting with their feet as you put it?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/775637.html?object=50710
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/771301.html?object=301236;page=1

Perera appears to have snubbed Shrey and Masuri
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/774419.html?object=233514;page=1

Smith and Kallis are now retired and therefore pretty irrelevant.

The other part of your post refers to the Ayrtek / Broad incident I assume? Broad was struck by a ball from a fast test match bowler that he also top edged, he sustained injury yes, and it wasn't pretty. But he played a test match a week later. Contrast that to Craig Kieswetter wearing an old Masuri (or a Shrey, same thing) who took a delivery from a county championship bowler. Kieswetter was hospitalised, had I believe at least 1 major operation and will not play cricket again this year was the last I read.

[Vic Nicholas]

I of course understand the need to defend oneself, perhaps though there is a reason why you and you alone seem to be on this one man vendetta? Yes others have made comments in support of your view, but not to the same relentless extent. I do admire your passion though. If you love Shrey so be it, who am I to change your mind? It has been said before to no avail but I'll try anyway. This is not a British conspiracy. The requirement for safer helmets came from the ICC medical panel.

Now, I'm not going to reply to your list with my own very extensive one, as we all know there are now very significant numbers of internationals/prominent pros wearing new masuri helmets, including Glenn Maxwell and Cameron White

What I will do is correct a couple of 'mistakes'

Rohit and Virat are not wearing Shrey branded helmets, they may be Shrey, they may be old Masuris, and yes I know they are the same thing from the same place, but the whole Shrey project is surely about brand awareness? They aren't going to do too well white labelling.

Kumar and Thirimanne have been wearing Masuri for a while now. Presumably voting with their feet as you put it?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/775637.html?object=50710
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/771301.html?object=301236;page=1

Perera appears to have snubbed Shrey and Masuri
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/774419.html?object=233514;page=1

Smith and Kallis are now retired and therefore pretty irrelevant.

The other part of your post refers to the Ayrtek / Broad incident I assume? Broad was struck by a ball from a fast test match bowler that he also top edged, he sustained injury yes, and it wasn't pretty. But he played a test match a week later. Contrast that to Craig Kieswetter wearing an old Masuri (or a Shrey, same thing) who took a delivery from a county championship bowler. Kieswetter was hospitalised, had I believe at least 1 major operation and will not play cricket again this year was the last I read.

Broad was hit on the top of the nose, Kieswetter on the eye. If Broad was hit on the eye - he would be in a world of pain right now. Two totally different injuries my friend.

Kallis still plays IPL - where he wears a Shrey.

Virat and Rohit both wear Shrey...just as they both use SS bats...irrespective of what stickers they put on them. Marketing? I am not sure most kids pay that much notice. As a kid, I never paid attention as to whether a player was wearing a C&D or a Masuri...it was irrelevant to me. I did usually notice bats though and a player changing brands.

As for players swapping and changing, let us use Kumar Sangakkara as a case in point. This year alone he has used Masuri, plastic Albion, Shrey, Masuri back to Shrey and Lord only knows which one he will pick out of his kit bag next week. I suspect that some players have different helmet suppliers depending on where they are playing at any given point of time; cf Maxwell, Shaun Marsh, George Bailey etc all wearing Shrey's during the recent IPL seasons, but other brands at other times before and since.

Given the IPL's popularity in India - which has more than a billion cricket crazy inhabitants - I suspect that Shrey has a long, happy future ahead filled with record sales.

As for British conspiracies etc within the cricket loving world...Scotland is about to break away from the colonial bondage and the others like Wales will have second thoughts soon enough about sticking around on the sinking ship. The decaying "Great" Britain on which the sun never set on it's colonial holdings is fast diminishing to insignificance. There is a new world order now and cricket is part of that. Your opinion and protectionist scams will be cast aside for common sense. Deal with it.

[tim2000s]

As for British conspiracies etc within the cricket loving world...Scotland is about to break away from the colonial bondage and the others like Wales will have second thoughts soon enough about sticking around on the sinking ship. The decaying "Great" Britain on which the sun never set on it's colonial holdings is fast diminishing to insignificance. There is a new world order now and cricket is part of that. Your opinion and protectionist scams will be cast aside for common sense. Deal with it.

Vic, I'm sure I speak for many others when I say, please take your "British colonialism B/S" and keep it out of forum topics relating to ICC (dominated by India) rules. As much as I'm sure you love to think there is a British Colonial Conspiracy theory relating to the cricket helmet rules, they were introduced by the ICC, not the "evil British Colonials". Please try and remember that. We are all very bored of your misrepresentation of the "truth" in relation to this topic.

[Aussie]

Vic Nicholas

I actually fly across from down under and play cricket in Scotland every year. The polls may show different at the moment, but Scotland I feel will choose to stay in the Union. Being there the last 10 weeks again I can tell you that the NO vote are not as loud and chest beating as the YES people. So you saying it's going to happen just shows you ignorance on this issue.

As for helmets in Scotland and Australia, the most poplular I see playing is still the trusty old plastic Albion, followed closely by Masuri. Never seen a Shrey in either country, but the Ayrtek makes the odd appearance!