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[procricket]

I played against Manly and although i have spent most of my cricketing time in either a Prem or League 1 they where different class.

County 2nd eleven nowadays are just full of overpriviliged kids with the odd smutter of talent but the standard is not as strong as wepl or the middlesex prem in my opinion.

[ProCricketer1982]

I played against Manly and although i have spent most of my cricketing time in either a Prem or League 1 they where different class.

County 2nd eleven nowadays are just full of overpriviliged kids with the odd smutter of talent but the standard is not as strong as wepl or the middlesex prem in my opinion.

So why bother with a seconds ? Why don't the counties put effort in to find the true talent out there?

[procricket]

Like football for the odd one to make it.
The standard is not as good as people would have thought.

How many people out there know of really good players who for what ever reason never quite made it but at club level and decent club level are a class above.

In England your finished if you have not made it or are a late developer.

Like football i think we have too many professional county sides and we should have more semi professional Leagues and a proper feeder system.

It is currently too diluted.

And coaching at the eliminatory level in this county is too stolic.

[ProCricketer1982]

So how do you stop teams being carried? Do you restrict  bowlers to less overs ?? ( which although I understand why, I think that hinders development of a bowler and makes it easier for batsmen). Do you truly stamp out paying players maybe? To try and stop people playing below their level? (Won't work as people will find ways to pay that you can't see or prove)

Do you play more 50 over draw cricket again? To promote teams to having to have both batting and bowling rather than just batting or the odd bowler and forcing batsmen to slog and get out? (Although I love playing draw cricket it seems not as many do, they prefer win/lose as it forces batsmen into shots and gives more easy wickets)..

Do you create less top divisions but widen the net for each of these?? (Too much travelling puts people off so you end up losing talent and players from the game)

[ProCricketer1982]

Like football for the odd one to make it.
The standard is not as good as people would have thought.

How many people out there know of really good players who for what ever reason never quite made it but at club level and decent club level are a class above.

In England your finished if you have not made it or are a late developer.

Like football i think we have too many professional county sides and we should have more semi professional Leagues and a proper feeder system.

It is currently too diluted.

And coaching at the eliminatory level in this county is too stolic.

I agree 100% with you tbh fella. I went through the YtS stuff in football and it was a joke, most of us there weren't good enough and were never going to be yet nearly all the lads gained egos the size of Africa about their ability. Yeah most now get paid to play but it's stupid really as they'd play for free if you took away the cash !!

Less top teams would be good. How do you fix the normal leagues though? (From ECB prem to div 285)

[procricket]

At the basic club level there a north/south divide.

I will use Lancashire as a example.

Because of club and league prestige the divide in Lancshire is amazing they have at top level.

Central Lancashire League
Northern Lancashire League
The Lancashire League
Bolton Assos
Bolton League
Machester Comp
Liverpool Comp
Ribblesdale League
Saddleworth League

Thats just off the top of my head there are many more lower leagues and same standard leagues.

Look at the WEPL set up it all geared to a funnel to the top there is a natural order which there should be so talent players become more identifiable.

The dilution  in quality in the Lancashire and what i have seen in Yorkshire because "prestige" clubs don't want to play league 2 OR 5.

I would being the cricket boards into line in a tier system not including in 2nd elevens there would be a local base model there.

I would make the premier leagues of them feeders more semi professional and before people tell me there not the money 90 per cent i would have thought in them leagues already pay players.

County structure make less games and teams picked from the premier Leagues in terms of performance.

People would find there natural level with county wide comps at 1st eleven standard and local comps for 2nd xi and juniors set ups.

But it would have to be taken on board county wide not just in the South.

Sorry it has gone off topic i guess it relates to the talent where bringing through though.

Surely it is simple get the best players play against each other more often the county Board's system is not doing that.

Late developers in England are punished for this.

 

   

[Vic Nicholas]

He is a club spinner, pure and simple - as evidenced by 9 overs for 70 today against a weak and demoralised batting line up!

Your (No Swearing Please) must really be hurting.

Have you ever swallowed castor oil?

This defeat would taste pretty similar to you.

When the game was there to be won or lost, Lyon had 2 wickets for 7 runs. The meaningless junk time runs from Stokes and Broad were garnered when there was absolutely no pressure as they knew they had no hope of either winning or saving the game. So easy to bat in those circumstances because you are not nervous about cocking up.

I would love to know who all these other spinners are who have out-bowled Lyon in the past? Swan? HAHAHAAHA....the Aussies practiced their golf swings on him.

I love how you have shifted your focus away from Mitch Johnson and Steve Smith, both of whom gave you a jolly rogering.

Keep clutching at straws pal, one day you may have enough of them to get a clue!

Kindest Regards,
Vic

[procricket]

My granddad said you learn more in Defeat England have alot to learn and they will.

No point in gloating as you know in Sport things change quick.

[Gerry SA]

You don't really get the rules of evidence do you?  On the limited statistical sample of a disaster tour for England, there are comparisons.  You find me any evidence that Lyon is anything more than a clubbie beyond his (actually very limited) returns in this series...

Dare to think what Bairstow, Ballance, Root and Bresnan are then?

Village green cricketers?

[Nickauger]

Dare to think what Bairstow, Root and Bresnan are then?

Village green cricketers?

At best! Balance not so sure.

[ProCricketer1982]

Just finished watching all 32 overs of it.. I'm not sure there are words to describe this England set up.

Hopefully the women's set up isn't as poor but I suspect behind the scenes it is. Hopefully they'll win though or at least play well.

[Nickauger]

It's the players who have been spineless. What can the coaches conceivably do? It's the selectors and culture that is the problem. So head coach and selectors are to blame I reckon. They need to pick someone who can stand up for the team, against flower c.

[ProCricketer1982]

Whoever is coaching Finn.. Fire them
Whoever is coaching any batsmen.. Fire them
Whoever is analysing our bowling sees.. Fire them as they've not picked up on bowling too short
plus, whoever didn't pick up the fact tremlett wasn't as fast now as he was needs firing too

Just smells of sloppiness and 'I can't be fired' types.

Just wish pros and the management could be hurt but they can't and won't. This was bad, v v v bad. At least 2006/7 there were genuine reasons and against a great side!!

[joeljonno]

Dare to think what Bairstow, Ballance, Root and Bresnan are then?

Village green cricketers?

Pretty harsh.

Root averaged nearly 38 in England. Had the second highest individual innings score. Best bowling average. Second best strike rate and third most economical bowler.

Broad and Stokes showed how to bat, and I bet this is how the Saffers will against the Aussie attack. It will be a lot more difficult tobowl to a strong, confident SA team than a demoralised and defeated England team.

[Gerry SA]

Pretty harsh.

Root averaged nearly 38 in England. Had the second highest individual innings score. Best bowling average. Second best strike rate and third most economical bowler.

Broad and Stokes showed how to bat, and I bet this is how the Saffers will against the Aussie attack. It will be a lot more difficult tobowl to a strong, confident SA team than a demoralised and defeated England team.

Are you for real?

Root's bowling stats are meaningless. He bowled what under 30 overs?