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[procricket]

Hell I love my cricket but some people need to stop looking at crickinfo all the time.

Root will come good .

Do you actually play cricket Gerry mate talk about kit sometimes maybe ??

[compstallcc]

Are you for real?

Root's bowling stats are meaningless. He bowled what under 30 overs?

i agree roots bowling stats are meaningless gerry, he is underused in my opinion, but he is not a village cricketer. He has showed enough to prove he will be a very good test quality batsman

[Gerry SA]

Hell I love my cricket but some people need to stop looking at crickinfo all the time.

Root will come good .

Do you actually play cricket Gerry mate talk about kit sometimes maybe ??

Not since in the last 3 years. Dodgy knee and battered ankle...

[smilley792]

Funny thing is with roots bowling, It isn't that bad, don't get me wrong, I am not proclaiming he's world class. He's far from. But he doesn't seem to ball as many bad balls and moon balls as some of the actual spinners that were bought in.


But what baffles me is that he is used by England at all, as when i played against him at club level(4times) he never bowled once!
Si how can England rate him? But collegiate not.

[Howzat]

Anyone hear the aussies saying Carberrys bat is a Gray Nic when it broke - any truth in it?

Michael Carberry Bat snaps In Two (The video's owner prevents external embedding)

[Alvaro]

Anyone hear the aussies saying Carberrys bat is a Gray Nic when it broke - any truth in it?

Michael Carberry Bat snaps In Two

I think it was a joke.

[Manormanic]

Dare to think what Bairstow, Ballance, Root and Bresnan are then?

Village green cricketers?

With Bairstow on current form you might be right.  Balance, given and maturity will be a decent player though never remarkable, whilst Root and Bresnan have already achieved plenty thanks.

[Manormanic]

At the basic club level there a north/south divide.

I will use Lancashire as a example.

Because of club and league prestige the divide in Lancshire is amazing they have at top level.

Central Lancashire League
Northern Lancashire League
The Lancashire League
Bolton Assos
Bolton League
Machester Comp
Liverpool Comp
Ribblesdale League
Saddleworth League

Thats just off the top of my head there are many more lower leagues and same standard leagues.

Look at the WEPL set up it all geared to a funnel to the top there is a natural order which there should be so talent players become more identifiable.

The dilution  in quality in the Lancashire and what i have seen in Yorkshire because "prestige" clubs don't want to play league 2 OR 5.

I would being the cricket boards into line in a tier system not including in 2nd elevens there would be a local base model there.

I would make the premier leagues of them feeders more semi professional and before people tell me there not the money 90 per cent i would have thought in them leagues already pay players.

County structure make less games and teams picked from the premier Leagues in terms of performance.

People would find there natural level with county wide comps at 1st eleven standard and local comps for 2nd xi and juniors set ups.

But it would have to be taken on board county wide not just in the South.

Sorry it has gone off topic i guess it relates to the talent where bringing through though.

Surely it is simple get the best players play against each other more often the county Board's system is not doing that.

Late developers in England are punished for this.

Have been saying this for years, going right back to being a kid in Yorkshire.  There are a number of reasons for it - wanting to cut own travelling, play local rivals etc, but too much of it comes down to the desire to be a big fish in a small pond rather than playing like for like.  This used to be particularly evident when I was at Lancaster - our league had its own North South divide, with half the league running away because they paid players and brought in top notch overseas (we had Mark Boucher FFS) whilst the other half got whupped most weeks. 

I accept that Yorkshire and, to a lesser extent, Lancashire are difficult because of their sheer geographical size and the number of players playing, but there has to be a better structure than the one currently in place.

[Overdrive]

Anyone hear the aussies saying Carberrys bat is a Gray Nic when it broke - any truth in it?

Michael Carberry Bat snaps In Two

Yeah i heard it. Haddin shouted it into the stump Mike...and David Gower sent the Kookabura media PR team reaching for the medicine cabinets by making it clear to everybody what he had said.

[joeljonno]

Have been saying this for years, going right back to being a kid in Yorkshire.  There are a number of reasons for it - wanting to cut own travelling, play local rivals etc, but too much of it comes down to the desire to be a big fish in a small pond rather than playing like for like.  This used to be particularly evident when I was at Lancaster - our league had its own North South divide, with half the league running away because they paid players and brought in top notch overseas (we had Mark Boucher FFS) whilst the other half got whupped most weeks. 

I accept that Yorkshire and, to a lesser extent, Lancashire are difficult because of their sheer geographical size and the number of players playing, but there has to be a better structure than the one currently in place.

Well, with Yorkshire, there is the Yorkshire League, which has a few teams of varying standard. The most shocking is there is no way i to it for other teams, even when some are getting whipped every week.

The 2nd teams for these clubs are varying standards too. Example York II in YDSCL Prem, Scarboro in Div 1 or 2 Castleford in Div 5 or 6. The back-up players are of totally different standards.

[Manormanic]

Well, with Yorkshire, there is the Yorkshire League, which has a few teams of varying standard. The most shocking is there is no way i to it for other teams, even when some are getting whipped every week.

The 2nd teams for these clubs are varying standards too. Example York II in YDSCL Prem, Scarboro in Div 1 or 2 Castleford in Div 5 or 6. The back-up players are of totally different standards.

I think there is some politics in that - when the YPL was formed many of the teams who were approached said thanks but no thanks - albeit rather less politely, and as a result the league took what it was offered and stuck in its ways.  It seems to me - and I state here that apart from one season umpiring in said league when it first started and I was crocked, I am going on hearsay here - that there are two or three sides who should not be anywhere near the top table, alongside three or four who would annihilate more or less any club side in the country.  At the same time, there are elites within the YSL, Bradford, Huddersfield, AW leagues who should be looking o step up to that level but can't.

[joeljonno]

I think there is some politics in that - when the YPL was formed many of the teams who were approached said thanks but no thanks - albeit rather less politely, and as a result the league took what it was offered and stuck in its ways.  It seems to me - and I state here that apart from one season umpiring in said league when it first started and I was crocked, I am going on hearsay here - that there are two or three sides who should not be anywhere near the top table, alongside three or four who would annihilate more or less any club side in the country.  At the same time, there are elites within the YSL, Bradford, Huddersfield, AW leagues who should be looking o step up to that level but can't.

There are a number of teams in the YDSCL who continually outshine the others.  The Vale league is the same (albeit quite a bit lower standard).

The difference is the Bradford League is mainly professionals, where other leagues are still quite amateur.  It seems to be a big miss-mash of differing levels/standards.

I think a decent pyramid structure would help sort a lot of this out.

[awp]

awp is in particular riding down the tattered poms and skewering them on his posting lance!

And he has the power of righteous victory and moral indignation on his side - every perceived slight and every bantering comment directed at the Aussies is being ruthlessly persecuted!

We poms don't stand a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats an awesome metaphor,  im going to use that.
I have only responded to the drivel posted by others.  Riding down the poms? Thats not quite right. You blokes do a good enough job of that - isnt there a whole thread dedicated to who should replace cook as captain.... after 1 series loss...

[awp]

The final afternoon of the series provided a fitting and murderously swift reminder of exactly how successful Australia's planning had been, and how pre-eminent their bowlers had become. Hardened physiques and alert minds combined to raze England one final time, though with a hint of counterbalance to the rest of the series. The catalyst for the final English death dive was Nathan Lyon, much as he had been for the first one in Brisbane. And the the destroyer of the tail was not Johnson but Harris, finally collecting some cheap wickets to fatten his tally. Clarke, their tactical ringleader, was a fitting taker of the final catch

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He is a club spinner, pure and simple - as evidenced by 9 overs for 70 today against a weak and demoralised batting line up!

Moderator hosk will be after you for baiting, be warned!  Above from ci, thought you may like it.

[smokem]

With Bairstow on current form you might be right.  Balance, given and maturity will be a decent player though never remarkable, whilst Root and Bresnan have already achieved plenty thanks.

Achieved plenty? 

If you reckon Root has achieved plenty, then so has Steve Smith... Pretty similar stats with Smith having an extra 100 and 50, having played only 2 more games...

Bresnan has achieved plenty yet has only one 5-wicket innings haul (best match haul of 8 ) versus "village" Lyon's four 5-wicket hauls (best match haul of 9).

So where is your backup?