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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2014, 11:22:06 PM »

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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #91 on: January 14, 2014, 12:58:52 AM »

Paul IJC at when you talk to I get the idea your just basically saying look I stock small brands why not buy from me ???  You need to get a bit more experience in cricket bats before commenting on something I suspect you know little about bar the bats you get from the smaller brands
This is not a slur it a obvervation.
What a marketing thread this is  I massively disagree  I know a medium sized company in England who Cnc and they press individually I even  know a Indian company who do as well.

Sorry but marketing is fine but this has gone too far.

Can we see the Aldred press I asked a question and didn't get a answer

That's not what I was saying at all.  You're stirring the pot yet again, Dave.  Like you always do.  I've had enough of it, to be honest.

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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #92 on: January 14, 2014, 04:33:30 AM »

Paul IJC at when you talk to I get the idea your just basically saying look I stock small brands why not buy from me ???  You need to get a bit more experience in cricket bats before commenting on something I suspect you know little about bar the bats you get from the smaller brands
This is not a slur it a obvervation.
What a marketing thread this is  I massively disagree  I know a medium sized company in England who Cnc and they press individually I even  know a Indian company who do as well.

Sorry but marketing is fine but this has gone too far.

Can we see the Aldred press I asked a question and didn't get a answer

Sorry Pro but I also have to disagree here, last time I checked Paul stocked bigger brands as well as the smaller brands? All he is doing is stressing that by going with a smaller brand you're more likely to get a better pressed bat as the brand will probably put a bit more care into the pressing. A perfectly reasonable comment based on the topic of this thread?

Whilst I'm on here, the Aldred bats look lovely and thanks for the videos Aldred Paul!
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #93 on: January 14, 2014, 06:37:44 AM »

Paul I suspect the 3 biggest presser of clefts in the uk is possibly tk he may be even bigger your telling me he presses one size fits all.  You made a statement which I believe to be inaccurent big time.

As for the stirring the pot part fella please show me where I have done do please show me where I have rubbished something.

As  I have stated before I think aldread finishes a bat second to none by the looks off it an by the reviews  of people like Roco and other people he makes a mean bat.

Do we 100 per cent know that gm and gn and other big brands don't press there bats at the same price points higher up the scale individually do we ???

Sorry to have my say thought it was about sharing knowledge but the info has to be correct.
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #94 on: January 14, 2014, 08:27:10 AM »

Paul I suspect the 3 biggest presser of clefts in the uk is possibly tk he may be even bigger your telling me he presses one size fits all.  You made a statement which I believe to be inaccurent big time.

As for the stirring the pot part fella please show me where I have done do please show me where I have rubbished something.

As  I have stated before I think aldread finishes a bat second to none by the looks off it an by the reviews  of people like Roco and other people he makes a mean bat.

Do we 100 per cent know that gm and gn and other big brands don't press there bats at the same price points higher up the scale individually do we ???

Sorry to have my say thought it was about sharing knowledge but the info has to be correct.

Pro I don't think at any time have I suggested that anyone has stirred the pot. I haven't stated that all the companies that make thousands of bats do mass press I stated that some do. Once again I find that whilst trying to put at much honesty on this forum as I can that one or two people start to misconstrue things that are said. I should have learnt my lesson once before on here and not shared my passion and love for what I am doing.
  Well I have now I will just continue to quietly go about my business and just slowly work on and enjoy myself, because it does take the enjoyment away when things that are said mainly through questions asked get twisted away from where they started. I would never call other companies as I have more respect than that and know it can only back fire.
  So if the people who really want to know anything in particular just email me please and we may see if we can get a blog going or something when the new website is up and running take care
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #95 on: January 14, 2014, 08:41:48 AM »

Pro I don't think at any time have I suggested that anyone has stirred the pot. I haven't stated that all the companies that make thousands of bats do mass press I stated that some do. Once again I find that whilst trying to put at much honesty on this forum as I can that one or two people start to misconstrue things that are said. I should have learnt my lesson once before on here and not shared my passion and love for what I am doing.
  Well I have now I will just continue to quietly go about my business and just slowly work on and enjoy myself, because it does take the enjoyment away when things that are said mainly through questions asked get twisted away from where they started. I would never call other companies as I have more respect than that and know it can only back fire.
  So if the people who really want to know anything in particular just email me please and we may see if we can get a blog going or something when the new website is up and running take care

I think his comments were directed at Paul @IJC  ???

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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #96 on: January 14, 2014, 08:52:38 AM »

This is a really interesting thread that has diversified somewhat. Having spoken to both Pauls I tend to think that they have identified their markets well and work within what is most effective for them. Neither can compete on economies of scale against bigger players, but they have found what works for them and have built brand loyalty around it.
As regards top end clefts, my take on it is that relative scarcity across a number of categories may be a factor in some clefts realising a higher rating. Most of these scarcity factors, in my opinion, will be aesthetic. For example, clefts with high numbers of very straight, even grains are scarce, likewise ultra light clefts which will make a bigger bat for the weight, and also very clean, white faces. Obviously some clefts may possess one of the aforementioned qualities, but very few will have all three, therefore the ones that do will generate a premium price.
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #97 on: January 14, 2014, 08:58:48 AM »

pressing is definitely different on a company by company basis. Im not sure how they do it or whether they have a set routine for each and every cleft but you do get differences. I have 2 batches of bats. One is pressed nicely and feels soft whereas the other feels a lot harder off the mallet. I havent used them against a ball so cant tell you which is best.

The presses i have seen have not being anything more than a wheel that is tightened by a human so unless there is a set process like 3 turns and 3 goes backwards and forwards then it would be impossible to do uniform pressing on all clefts...... maybe that is what they do and dont test by hand to see if a cleft needs more or less pressing.

I think this is what Aldred is getting at. Start off with 2 goes backwards and forwards, test. You then say ok this needs one more go. Then test. You then say this is perfect or this needs another go and so on. With the bigger companies they dont have time to do this so they just bash them all through 3 times no matter what. Im convinced with lower grade bats they definitely just press to a set routine and with the LE bats they do the press by press testing ........

or maybe im talking rubbish :)

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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #98 on: January 14, 2014, 09:19:15 AM »

Also for the big brands who may or may not generic press every bat. I'm sure the care and individual presses goes to higher end willow, but do their £135 bats (equivalent to the butterfly bats in this thread) receive the individual care and attention? I wouldn't be in a position to know.

Unfortunately Pro, in your post against IJC you have managed to kill a thread I believe most the forum was enjoying. I certainly was. You said the marketing had gone too far, had it offended you to such an extent you sort to kill it for everyone? Remember if you don't like something you read online, you can click the little red cross in the top right ;)

Also: "Everyone you read on the internet is true" - Abraham Lincoln.

You say Paul is biased to the smaller brands because he stocks a lot of them. I would agree with this view if this was the 'Off the shelf bat forum'. 

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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #99 on: January 14, 2014, 09:20:53 AM »

Pro I don't think at any time have I suggested that anyone has stirred the pot. I haven't stated that all the companies that make thousands of bats do mass press I stated that some do. Once again I find that whilst trying to put at much honesty on this forum as I can that one or two people start to misconstrue things that are said. I should have learnt my lesson once before on here and not shared my passion and love for what I am doing.
  Well I have now I will just continue to quietly go about my business and just slowly work on and enjoy myself, because it does take the enjoyment away when things that are said mainly through questions asked get twisted away from where they started. I would never call other companies as I have more respect than that and know it can only back fire.
  So if the people who really want to know anything in particular just email me please and we may see if we can get a blog going or something when the new website is up and running take care

Hi Paul
Actually both Paul's, the forum would be poorer without your input. I look toward to reading more from you both!
Cheers
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #100 on: January 14, 2014, 09:23:06 AM »

I think his comments were directed at Paul @IJC  ???

If that's the case I apologise and I myself have misconstrued.  :)
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #101 on: January 14, 2014, 09:26:02 AM »

Aldred, when you are pressing how do you know when to stop.......... sound/response/hardness of the wood

im interested as i have bats which feel too soft and some which feel too hard
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #102 on: January 14, 2014, 09:31:55 AM »

That's the learning bit you stuff a lot up when you start by getting a bit giddy and rushing but eventually I have hopefully learnt and got it consistent. I feel the wood watch it as it presses and feel a ball and mallet on it gradually. It feel and sound really. You start to read it really.
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #103 on: January 14, 2014, 09:38:37 AM »

That's the learning bit you stuff a lot up when you start by getting a bit giddy and rushing but eventually I have hopefully learnt and got it consistent. I feel the wood watch it as it presses and feel a ball and mallet on it gradually. It feel and sound really. You start to read it really.

Hi Paul
Any chance of seeing you do that on video?
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Re: Top end or not top end that is the question
« Reply #104 on: January 14, 2014, 09:42:26 AM »

Nothing has been aimed at anybody a comment was made how big company's do not put as much effort in and I stated it simply is not true.

I wouldn't ever dream of insulting your bats as I have stated.

So where all supposed to just listen and agree with everything where told when sometimes there simple not true forum sponsor or not as a forum member and one with some knowledge through experience I think my pint is valid as anybody's. Sorry if I offended people with my comments but I stand by what I said

I do not. Want to derale what is by and large a great post and videos as I have praised Paul and his bat making on loads of topics and will continue to do so because they look bloody good

If people took my words in the wrong way sorry.
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