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[Nickauger]

I think the other thing is to note, is that its highly unlikely the bloke is chucking it on purpose (would be fairly stupid if he is). More likely is that he's just developed too many bad habits! Not cheating, just a problem with his action! Fortunately (or fortunately) we have invested a serious amount of money into coaching in this country and have therefore been able to coach these unnatural actions out of players before they become a problem. Hence why we have never had a mystery spinner, or a Malinga, because they would never get though the system!

[Montys Beard]

having been a member for 3 years on this forum,you cannot tell me Dave is a promising off spinner who plays at a standard which gives him credibility to call an international spinner a chucker who needs to learn how to bowl.


one does not simply develop an arson of deliveries and get into a national team overnight.it takes years of incredibly hard work and dedication to achieve what Senanayeka has achieved.something no English spinner has ever been able to display at an international level.perhaps thats why you guys are dumbfound by every subcontinent spinner?if your batsman cant face a bowler then he has to be reported.some people went as far as calling Malinga a chucker aswel!utter bull from a disappointed and jealous bunch.[/font]

"Something no English spinner has been ablet o achieve" - Doesn't matter what you bowl it's about taking the wickets, yes the wily subcontinental spinners give us headaches but I seem to remember a certain English spinner picking up 10 wickets in a test IN Sri Lanka circa 2011, I'm also sure of him ending up as the number 1 ranked ODI bowler around that time? I'm also fairly sure he broke 250 test wickets too (Which has only been achieved by two Sri Lankan bowlers to date?)...so yeah, good job we don't produce world class spinners.

[tim2000s]

One thing I personally hate is when people claim someone is defimitely chucking. Fair enough, he clearly has an odd looking action but there is no way anybody can say for certain he is chucking. I'm not saying he's not, and its good that he's going to be tested, but accusing someone of 'cheating' without proof and no access to it is a big claim in my opinion.

"Chucking" is the act of straightening one's arm visibly in the delivery of the ball.

"Chucking legally" is the act of straightening one's arm by less than 15 degrees.

"Chucking illegally" is the act of straightening one's arm by more than 15 degrees.

The video footage of various deliveries from Ajmal, Narine, Senanayake and others clearly shows them straightening their arm. It is merely the degree of straightening that is in question. As long as you can see arm straightening going on then the ball is being thrown and not bowled.

It is simply a matter of semantics as to whether that is a "legal" throw or an "illegal" one...

[Manormanic]

I think the other thing is to note, is that its highly unlikely the bloke is chucking it on purpose (would be fairly stupid if he is). More likely is that he's just developed too many bad habits! Not cheating, just a problem with his action!

Much as I want to believe that I refer you to the Murali argument.

To paraphrase "I have to bowl with a bent arm, its just the way I was born" except that he could bowl with a perfectly straight arm when he wanted to.  Ergo he chose to use an action that was against the rules rather than one that was within them.

[Manormanic]

"Chucking" is the act of straightening one's arm visibly in the delivery of the ball.

"Chucking legally" is the act of straightening one's arm by less than 15 degrees.

"Chucking illegally" is the act of straightening one's arm by more than 15 degrees.

The video footage of various deliveries from Ajmal, Narine, Senanayake and others clearly shows them straightening their arm. It is merely the degree of straightening that is in question. As long as you can see arm straightening going on then the ball is being thrown and not bowled.

It is simply a matter of semantics as to whether that is a "legal" throw or an "illegal" one...

Since we are assured that anything below 15 degrees is not visible to the human eye...

[Sam]

"Chucking" is the act of straightening one's arm visibly in the delivery of the ball.

"Chucking legally" is the act of straightening one's arm by less than 15 degrees.

"Chucking illegally" is the act of straightening one's arm by more than 15 degrees.

The video footage of various deliveries from Ajmal, Narine, Senanayake and others clearly shows them straightening their arm. It is merely the degree of straightening that is in question. As long as you can see arm straightening going on then the ball is being thrown and not bowled.

It is simply a matter of semantics as to whether that is a "legal" throw or an "illegal" one...

I doubt anyone (or next to no one) bowls with a perfectly straight arm. I think where most say chucking here they are referring to doing so illegally.

[Kulli]

One thing I personally hate is when people claim someone is defimitely chucking. Fair enough, he clearly has an odd looking action but there is no way anybody can say for certain he is chucking. I'm not saying he's not, and its good that he's going to be tested, but accusing someone of 'cheating' without proof and no access to it is a big claim in my opinion.

You can say for certain he is chucking, the question is whether it's a legal chuck or not.

[Sam]

Since we are assured that anything below 15 degrees is not visible to the human eye...

15 degrees probably is possible approximately, 15 degrees CHANGE with an arm moving in multiple directions at once is probably a bit harder.

[mini998]

Really no point about trying to decide if Senanayaka chucking more than 15 degrees or not because you can't calculate the actual flex/extend on 2D images from youtube videos.


Yeah his action looks bad to the naked eye that's why it needs testing in a proper testing facility.

Obviously Ignorant people will call him a chucker without looking in to actual details , but you can't help those.

[Sam]

Really no point about trying to decide if Senanayaka chucking more than 15 degrees or not because you can't calculate the actual flex/extend on 2D images from youtube videos.


Yeah his action looks bad to the naked eye that's why it needs testing in a proper testing facility.

Obviously Ignorant people will call him a chucker without looking in to actual details , but you can't help those.

This is what I'm trying to say .

[Manormanic]

15 degrees probably is possible approximately, 15 degrees CHANGE with an arm moving in multiple directions at once is probably a bit harder.

which is why anything that is a visible straightening of the arm should be banned.

[Gingerbusiness]

1. Go to youtube, Sky Go etc.
2. Search "Sennanayake"
3. Watch video.
4. See proof of chucking. 

I consider your comments badly worded, factually inaccurate nationalistic piffle if you must know!

Did just that. Went on youtube, 1st ODI v England. Judge for yourself.

Just BEFORE point of release



At point of release



Looks like a throw... but who knows. Doesn't take into account shoulder rotation etc...

People can make their own judgements.

[gdb19]

Personally I think the dismissal was within the rules so there can be little complaint. I also think Buttler should have been more careful as he'd already been warned.

Having said that I'm not so sure I'd have done the same as it does just feel wrong.

With regards to the chucking accusation I think it's best to leave it to the experts to monitor and decide if he should be banned. I would however say that chucking it isn't doing him a lot of good as he seems very much to be a journeyman spinner rather than a star. 37 wickets at 33.56 with a strike rate of 44.4 is worse than others including supposed inferior English spinners like Swann. In fact tredwell has a lot more wickets in less ODI deliveries and at a better average and strike rate.

[mini998]

Much as I want to believe that I refer you to the Murali argument.

To paraphrase "I have to bowl with a bent arm, its just the way I was born" except that he could bowl with a perfectly straight arm when he wanted to.  Ergo he chose to use an action that was against the rules rather than one that was within them.

He was tested in bio mechanic labs and well documented that he has a birth defect of a bent arm , and even he did a video where Mark Nicholas  trying to extend his arm to check if that is actually true or not.


oh no.. so you say it is straight by just  looking at 2D youtube video? okay

http://youtu.be/1HZBukHqNxk

[trypewriter]

No, as if your bat is grounded in the crease then you are still inside the crease.

In that case Tim I can't see why the silly beggar didn't use that technique - the walking bat drag is good enough for most club cricketers.