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[Manormanic]

It's the usual thing though.  I don't know many Englishmen that would class Jimmy as a great.  But we always go back to statistics,  and you can cut these things many ways.

Depends how you define great really.  If you look at bowlers with over 400 wickets in test cricket - because Jimmy will end up there or thereabouts - you have a mixture of the genuinely great (Warne, McGrath, Walsh, Hadlee, Akram, Ambrose) the exceptionally good and long lived (Kumble, Dev, Pollock, Harhajan) and the ones who did it by chucking.  Jimmy is definitely in the latter group just as the other current player likely to reach 400 -Steyn - is in the former.  Averages actually make a pretty good dividing line - Pollock is the only bowler averaging under 25 that I wouldn't instinctively label an all time great - whereas the others merely exceptional average over 26.  The same works further down - most would agree that Marshall, Khan and Trueman were world greats whereas Botham, Zaheer and Craig McDermott were "merely" exceptional. 

[tim2000s]

You would not let it lie 😉

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[Gerry SA]

I swear Gerry is Bob Willis.

I wish I had Bob Willis' list of Test wickets...

[Sam]

Dont open the chucking can of worms here as well Manoramic .

[Gerry SA]

Depends how you define great really.  If you look at bowlers with over 400 wickets in test cricket - because Jimmy will end up there or thereabouts - you have a mixture of the genuinely great (Warne, McGrath, Walsh, Hadlee, Akram, Ambrose) the exceptionally good and long lived (Kumble, Dev, Pollock, Harhajan) and the ones who did it by chucking.  Jimmy is definitely in the latter group just as the other current player likely to reach 400 -Steyn - is in the former.  Averages actually make a pretty good dividing line - Pollock is the only bowler averaging under 25 that I wouldn't instinctively label an all time great - whereas the others merely exceptional average over 26.  The same works further down - most would agree that Marshall, Khan and Trueman were world greats whereas Botham, Zaheer and Craig McDermott were "merely" exceptional.

Pollock doesn't get the true respect he deserves.

Mainly because everyone remember Donald as the fire breathing fast bowler rather than Pollock the artist.

[petehosk]

Let's keep this topic on the correct topic!
Why are we allowing a person like Gerry (talking of loud mouths/stirrers) to work this topic to his beloved SA?
And as always slag the Brits off??
The guy tried to state stats all the time and yet when the stats make one of his hero boys look worse, its something they will obvious rectify!!
This topic is to discus the Test that starts tomorrow, not to give any time to this waste!

[Buzz]

from the press it appears the Indians are trying to get Anderson banned (by sacrificing jadaja).

they clearly don't rate him then...

[tim2000s]

from the press it appears the Indians are trying to get Anderson banned (by sacrificing jadaja).

they clearly don't rate him then...

No, clearly the 300+ wickets and mastery of swing don't bother the Indian team at all.... Nor the fact that he leads the England bowling attack....

[Manormanic]

No, clearly the 300+ wickets and mastery of swing don't bother the Indian team at all.... Nor the fact that he leads the England bowling attack....

actually its his batting they're worried about! 

[petehosk]

actually its his batting they're worried about! 

You're spot on!
One Test match - batting once - 81 runs! Therefore he is obviously one of the strongest batsmen playing Internationals in July! Stats prove this! 

[ppccopener]

cunning stuff from dhoni and fletcher, if anderson gets off on a lesser charge he could still get a ban of a couple of test matches

sounds like complete handbags and hardly worth a mention,but it fired up the test match

expect it to be a bit spicy on the first moning

[Giraffe208]

Could be cunning stuff and if it's just handbags then it's pretty pathetic. However, if there is physical contact involved then that's pretty poor form from Jimmy!

[ppccopener]

a push apparentley so yes some physical contact.
not much...but some.

Dhoni and Fletcher will take it a far as possible, they can afford to lose jadeja(if he is guilty too) but we cant afford to lose Jimmy.

back in the day everyone would be banned, Botham would never of played any test matches!!

[Giraffe208]

Well Jimmy I imagine will miss at least a test then and potentially Jadeja if England are looking to report something aswell. So Jimmy will be a huge loss and Ashwin will come in with Binny staying playing mainly as a batsman I imagine.

[ppccopener]

i think India will get Ashwin in anyway for lords and maybe the next test after that
I heard the commentators saying Binny is a better bat than Ashwin but from what ive seen Ashwin is a class bat-if the wickets are dry too it will help his bowling.

Binny batted well at trent bridge(and yes should of got man of the match award) and Jadeja looked all over the place to me

maybe Jadeja is more of a one day player on flat decks.
Ashwin has always looked a correct technical player to me