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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #330 on: September 08, 2014, 08:35:45 AM »

Disclaimer: This is not an Ayrtek explanation, and is purely anecdotal

If you look at one of the other pages in this topic, we discovered that on certain settings of the grille, the gap is such that the ball can fit through between the peak and the grille relatively easily (i.e. you can push it through by hand). Looking at the settings that Broad was using (in the pictures of the event), it looks like this is what happened. This also is the widest gap in terms of vision, that the Ayrtek settings allow. You can see the result in the first picture below, and also an indication of another setting where we found the gap large enough for the ball to pass through in the second picture.



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So is this what had happened with Broad? Ayrtek/Aditek still have my potential custom next time I'm in the market for a new lid but they won't if this gets swept under the carpet and forgotten about.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #331 on: September 08, 2014, 10:18:03 AM »

Nothing is being swept under the carpet or forgotten about, an incident analysis has been carried out so we can learn as a result of it and now we have the helmet back in our possession we are better positioned to do this. 
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #332 on: September 08, 2014, 10:35:04 AM »

So is this what had happened with Broad? Ayrtek/Aditek still have my potential custom next time I'm in the market for a new lid but they won't if this gets swept under the carpet and forgotten about.
There has been no announcement, but the pictures of Broad clearly show him wearing the helmet with the grille on the setting shown in Chad's picture, and we know the ball goes through that gap.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #333 on: September 08, 2014, 10:37:24 AM »

Nothing is being swept under the carpet or forgotten about, an incident analysis has been carried out so we can learn as a result of it and now we have the helmet back in our possession we are better positioned to do this.


As an ayrtek user, bought due to the hype and sales talk. I am a little Dissapointed it's taking so long to recieve an explanation.
 
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #334 on: September 08, 2014, 10:53:43 AM »

Appreciate that it would be good to be able to give an immediate response but without having the helmet back with us to view and obtaining all the relevant info available any release prior to this would be speculation.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #335 on: September 08, 2014, 11:04:32 AM »

Appreciate that it would be good to be able to give an immediate response but without having the helmet back with us to view and obtaining all the relevant info available any release prior to this would be speculation.


I could be totally wrong on this, as I don't run my own business, I'm merely a pawn in someone else. But had it been my product and lively hood that had failed with massive issues, I would be doing as much as possible to get the correct info out there while fresh in people's minds.

Now the incident was in England, next day courier, or drive to where said helmet is and collect. Boom you've got it in a day.
How long does it take for a helmet to be retrieved? Or is there outside influences at work I'm not sure of(icc hse etc keeping hold due to here investigation?)


I'd then put my next few days/weeks into investigation to find out what's what. And then release said info while the incident is fresh in people's minds.


I can't help but think it's already been to long. People will have forgot and move on already. And when they come to buy a Helmet, will half remember broad got hit, not the press release explaining why, 8 weeks later.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #336 on: September 08, 2014, 12:01:14 PM »

It's been roughly 4 weeks. Given Stuart was laid up in hospital, I don't think that was the right time. Then he had a test match which he would focus on, so that's not great timing. Thats 1-2 weeks ruled out. Then I imagine the Adidas rep has to see him inbetween engagements and charity events. I don't think posting a lid back to Tom was top of Stuart's priorities. Tom has the lid now but we don't know how long he's had it, so it might of been back at Ayrtek HQ for a few days now undergoing testing.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #337 on: September 21, 2014, 01:11:37 PM »

I saw Stuart Broad and Rohit Sharma recently at the 2015 photoshoot and spoke to Stuart about the incident. The helmet shows significant damage on the underpeak section and actually has hairline fractures at the front grille position on the shell such was the severity of the impact in forcing the peak upwards. This shows the sheer force that occurred at the moment of impact and the fact the shell of the helmet acted to absorb a vast majority of the balls force.



It was a freak incident that Stuart accepts and if the top edge hadn't occurred it would have hit the grille. From our analysis the ball speed was between 80-85mph from a distance of 0.4-0.5m, which is above and beyond anything that would be tested for in a lab for the New BSI test (For reference the max speed for the New BSI is at 62.6mph or 28m/s that the helmets need to keep out).

Our preliminary research that was carried out showed the PremierTek helmets ability to perform at 75mph when tested against an adult size ball when hit at a 30 degree angle. External factors beyond our control such as the age/shape and hardness of the ball can effect the results of the testing and these obviously chance from ball to ball in match scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYLua0ocbe8&list=UU8a8f72gB7ZgkEfmt7WvyAA

We are confident that the shell is sound in both design and function as it did its job in reducing the force of the initial impact and reducing the severity of injury sustained by the player. Going forward at Elite/international level where ball speeds at in excess of 85mph we are looking to have players using the carbon fibre shells.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #338 on: September 21, 2014, 01:20:29 PM »

This is very interesting.

Tom, are you surprised that pro's do not use carbon fibre helmets? Especially considering the durability of carbon fibre over plastics?
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #339 on: September 21, 2014, 01:23:27 PM »

I do wonder if because the peak extends past the grill it (while adsorbing the impact) also deflected it back towards the gap.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #340 on: September 21, 2014, 01:27:54 PM »

Is Stuart Broad going to be batting with a new Aditek helmet or is he sticking with the Masuri?
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #341 on: September 21, 2014, 01:32:49 PM »

This is very interesting.

Tom, are you surprised that pro's do not use carbon fibre helmets? Especially considering the durability of carbon fibre over plastics?

We have introduced the AdiZero helmet so that Pros have both options in regards to the liner type combined with the Carbon shell.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #342 on: September 21, 2014, 01:34:30 PM »

Is Stuart Broad going to be batting with a new Aditek helmet or is he sticking with the Masuri?

We have shown him what we would recommend for use at Elite level. Ultimately the final decision will come down to the player as its a personal protection product and their choice.
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #343 on: September 21, 2014, 01:37:29 PM »

We have introduced the AdiZero helmet so that Pros have both options in regards to the liner type combined with the Carbon shell.

Good to see you are filling the gap in the market - but let me rephrase my question;

Do you think most, if not all pro's, will move to carbon fibre helmets now they have the option?
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Re: the stuart broad incident
« Reply #344 on: September 21, 2014, 01:40:03 PM »

Having spoken to some they are happy with the PremierTek model and the levels of protection provided but the option is there if they want to use the carbon one.
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