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[Stuey]

remind me where duncan fletcher came from? Remind me where Saker or Otis Gibson came from?


I actually would love to see each county ONLY EVER employ it's own nationality as that would be country vs country BUT that's not how it works. Employ the best person for the job, in this case.. Giles vs Gillespie..... Ponting vs Ramprekash.... Lee vs harmisson... Warne vs Such

We agree, so would I

[uknsaunders]

The other thing about the bowling/batting coaches jobs is do we need a permanent coach in each role?. By this I mean that after an initial transfer of knowledge, how useful is that coach 2/3/4 years down the line. Would England be better served by putting coaches on maybe a 2 year contract at most and bringing in new faces on a regular basis to stop the players going stale? ie. long enough to avoid getting conflicting advice but short enough to bring fresh ideas into the setup and continue the players education.

[ProCricketer1982]

The other thing about the bowling/batting coaches jobs is do we need a permanent coach in each role?. By this I mean that after an initial transfer of knowledge, how useful is that coach 2/3/4 years down the line. Would England be better served by putting coaches on maybe a 2 year contract at most and bringing in new faces on a regular basis to stop the players going stale? ie. long enough to avoid getting conflicting advice but short enough to bring fresh ideas into the setup and continue the players education.

this goes back to what I said earlier in the piece.. Do England really need coaches at all? Shouldn't players get coaching from their counties and if picked for england they mainly just need managing more than actual coaching?  As you say, maybe getting people in short term if a player needs something specific would work more than having a single dedicated year round coach?

[uknsaunders]

this goes back to what I said earlier in the piece.. Do England really need coaches at all? Shouldn't players get coaching from their counties and if picked for england they mainly just need managing more than actual coaching?  As you say, maybe getting people in short term if a player needs something specific would work more than having a single dedicated year round coach?

I think you need somebody to do some of the thinking for them and to be a sounding board for issues. Bowlers should be the finished article when they play for England but I don't think it means they can just rock up and get on with it. Bowling plans need to be hatched for the oppo batters, if they play abroad somebody has to research the conditions, players do develop technical flaws and develop specific issues ie. drop in pace. This does need management and coaching. Whether it needs coaching from the same person for 4 years and does it get less helpful over time, is my question.

[ProCricketer1982]

I think you need somebody to do some of the thinking for them and to be a sounding board for issues. Bowlers should be the finished article when they play for England but I don't think it means they can just rock up and get on with it. Bowling plans need to be hatched for the oppo batters, if they play abroad somebody has to research the conditions, players do develop technical flaws and develop specific issues ie. drop in pace. This does need management and coaching. Whether it needs coaching from the same person for 4 years and does it get less helpful over time, is my question.

isn't this what analysts are for?

also, if they develop a flaw.. let's say like finn...  send them back to their county for the coaching that is required?? if it's a flaw then they probably shouldn't be playing for England anyway until it's sorted?

[uknsaunders]

isn't this what analysts are for?

also, if they develop a flaw.. let's say like finn...  send them back to their county for the coaching that is required?? if it's a flaw then they probably shouldn't be playing for England anyway until it's sorted?

Don't think Stuart Broad will be taking advice on bowling from his Sister anytime soon lol

Going back to the counties assumes the county coach knows anything about bowling. Even if he does, he may not have the experience of the England Bowling Coach or the knowledge of what's required at International level.

The only way having no coach would work is if the FC setup was a much higher standard ie. 6-8 teams . Then the standard would be similar to test match level and the coaches would be better (hopefully) at FC level, by this I mean more use to working with international players on a daily basis.

[Rob580]

Also, just using your specific county coach doesn't really help if you delevop a slight technical flaw half way through a long overseas tour which needs rectifying.

[Kez]

Broads Sister is no longer with the ECB.

Analysts are information providers, coaches and players dictate strategy and tactics.

[Stuey]

IPL was an example to show that yes someone from Pakistan can get work in India as a coach.

Players play the sport, coaches coach. From bottom up majority of your coaches are local (nation wise), in India almost all of the coaches below the national team are Indians but when it comes to a team that is going to represent your country on the world stage you want the best players, best staff & best coaches. At least all our players are Indian since you bring up country vs country. You seem to stuck on english coaches, if you had a coach that was that good he would already have been snapped up by ECB, then either his career ruined or moved so he could be working for some other country.

Get the best Wo/Man to do the job so he could take players from your country and make them winners, doesn't matter where that Wo/Man comes from because its your country winning by getting more fans, people playing and getting interested in the sport.

You seems to miss my point it's not about working in another country, this isn't a race or equality debate.
It's purely looking at the whole point of national sport which is to pit one nation against another with participants representing his /her country (by however thats ruled). By buying in participants from your rivals, for me it's lessening the competition, taking the Ashes as an example I want to so England & Wales taking on Australia, not England with an Australian head coach taking on the Aussies. Yes this is ideological, but why not.

I agree with you on Indian players, I would like the residency qualification rule scrapped (another debate), but at least those players do have to go through a qualification period as opposed to dropping in a foreign head coach in.

If Indian coaches are being overlooked for the national job, the coaching structure should be investigated same here in England.

[19reading87]

Means Saker won't be playing in our league next year!!! Get in

[tushar sehgal]

You seems to miss my point it's not about working in another country, this isn't a race or equality debate.
It's purely looking at the whole point of national sport which is to pit one nation against another with participants representing his /her country (by however thats ruled). By buying in participants from your rivals, for me it's lessening the competition, taking the Ashes as an example I want to so England & Wales taking on Australia, not England with an Australian head coach taking on the Aussies. Yes this is ideological, but why not.

I agree with you on Indian players, I would like the residency qualification rule scrapped (another debate), but at least those players do have to go through a qualification period as opposed to dropping in a foreign head coach in.

If Indian coaches are being overlooked for the national job, the coaching structure should be investigated same here in England.

You speak of an ideal nation vs nation scenario, it would be nice to see that but even olympics don't fall under that category as coaches are not necessarily from the same nation....would be an interesting thing to see though.

[six and out]

It's interesting when you look at the other test nations coaching -

Aus - Lehman
SA - Domingo
SL - Atapattu
India - Fletcher (Zim)
Pak - Younis
WI - Richardson
NZ - Hesson
Bang - Hathurusingha (SL)

So only India and Bangladesh have Head Coaches that aren't from their own countries.

[ProCricketer1982]

Don't think Stuart Broad will be taking advice on bowling from his Sister anytime soon lol

Going back to the counties assumes the county coach knows anything about bowling. Even if he does, he may not have the experience of the England Bowling Coach or the knowledge of what's required at International level.

The only way having no coach would work is if the FC setup was a much higher standard ie. 6-8 teams . Then the standard would be similar to test match level and the coaches would be better (hopefully) at FC level, by this I mean more use to working with international players on a daily basis.

if we are looking to make the FC stuff top standard etc then surely all the best coaches would work in the county structure. It's all inter linked and dependant on every cog doing it's job properly.

[Kulli]

It's interesting when you look at the other test nations coaching -

Aus - Lehman
SA - Domingo
SL - Atapattu
India - Fletcher (Zim)
Pak - Younis
WI - Richardson
NZ - Hesson
Bang - Hathurusingha (SL)

So only India and Bangladesh have Head Coaches that aren't from their own countries.

That's a very small sample size, try taking the last 10 years for each country.

[ProCricketer1982]

It's interesting when you look at the other test nations coaching -

Aus - Lehman
SA - Domingo
SL - Atapattu
India - Fletcher (Zim)
Pak - Younis
WI - Richardson
NZ - Hesson
Bang - Hathurusingha (SL)

So only India and Bangladesh have Head Coaches that aren't from their own countries.

do the last ten years of head coaches, batting, bowling, fielding etc

then look at how teams are performing.. eng are crap and minted so should be able to employ the best.. not like say bang, WI who have to take who they can get. The fact the ECB can't get the best says more about them and England than anything else.