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[Ayrtek Cricket]

Let's not talk in riddles as its a forum and we're all grown ups, it's a design that Affinity used for the split finger gloves.

As discussed in my post earlier post rarely will a smaller boutique brand have a completely original glove design due to the aforementioned reasons.

With the nature of the cricket market softs will always be from a limited number of factories as brands want a certain degree of quality only some can offer at a price point that's viable.

[ItsJustCricket]

Tom - I wasn't actually referring to the Affinity gloves whatsoever!

I was making a point that Phantom get a bad rep, yet companies like Affinity, H4L, BB, or many others people have named do the exact same thing - without the tweaks like the carbon detailing, the adjusting to U splits etc.

RE the Salix gloves - the upper is completely different. The only thing similar is the U-splits, and we never claimed Phantom had invented those

CBD

[Ayrtek Cricket]

Apologies in that case, my bad.

At the end of the day all brands are doing what they can to ensure they offer a quality product to a market when coming up again the bigger brands. Be it altering the materials used in the product by selecting those you seem more appropriate or changing colour schemes to suit your particular tastes you can't redesign the wheel in a glove or pad design without going too far away from the norm.

[ItsJustCricket]

Tom - agreed with you. I just think it personally grates on myself when people who have no knowledge of the industry are making sweeping comments and critical analysis over something they know very little about.

The forum makes up 0.01% of the market at most, with very few people actually buying the mainstream brands over the Red Ink, B3 competition etc, and compare that to the time we sponsors etc take to post on it, it can become a little bit tiring to only hear criticism and negativity.

With gloves specifically, the Phantom gloves are not a copy of any glove. Many other gloves which have been heralded on this forum are. Many brands , which are loved by the forum, develop their own products far less than Phantom. And yet here I am every week defending them from people who know very little to nothing about margins, prices, manufacturers, retailers etc etc.

I completely agree that you cannot massively redevelop anything - there is a reason many offerings are subtle tweaks on other pre-existing ideas. What does bother me though is people accusing Phantom of just copying others, when I can give evidence of this not being the case, and further evidence of other brands literally just copying and changing the colours, only for them to be held up as an example of innovation. It all just seems a little unfair, and difficult for people to understand why Phantom comes under this criticism whereas other brands don't?

CBD

[edge]

Let's not talk in riddles as its a forum and we're all grown ups, it's a design that Affinity used for the split finger gloves.

As discussed in my post earlier post rarely will a smaller boutique brand have a completely original glove design due to the aforementioned reasons.

With the nature of the cricket market softs will always be from a limited number of factories as brands want a certain degree of quality only some can offer at a price point that's viable.

Ahhh! I see the similarity, one or two fairly major changes on the Affinity ones though. Makes me think I should have bought them instead of the Pumas (which I got recently)! The curse of matching your kit ha.

[brokenbat]

Phantom is also using English willow in their bats....so unoriginal !!!

[smilley792]

If you read this thread without reading who did the posts. You'd think ijc was phantoms owner. And that eaglescc was merely a unbiased stocker off said brand.


The Internet is full off people with an opinion, that they want to give regardless if you want to or not.
Ignorance or a well written reply is much better than a rant about having to deal with such things.

[WalkingWicket37]

These gloves also look familiar don't you think?!

I think they stole inspiration from an iconic company that sadly went under!



Also triangle splits, illuminati confirmed!
Yeah I'm bored and found that picture in my photobucket 

[RoCo Da Pixie]

I never said anything about the design. Personally I think sausage finger gloves are the best. The rest just suck.

I was more mortified at the price of a pair of gloves.

[The Palmist]

If the straps can be revolutionised  like remove  velcro  all together  and introduce  a knob (haha) to twist them tight  like some trainers ,  the high price  wont be an issue

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[smilley792]

What about lacing gloves up for cricket like boxing??

Would stop Warner taking them off between balls.

[WalkingWicket37]

If the straps can be revolutionised  like remove  velcro  all together  and introduce  a knob (haha) to twist them tight  like some trainers ,  the high price  wont be an issue

Come and watch my team on a Saturday, you'll see plenty of knobs twisting their gloves...

[GDP1964]

Tom - agreed with you. I just think it personally grates on myself when people who have no knowledge of the industry are making sweeping comments and critical analysis over something they know very little about.

The forum makes up 0.01% of the market at most, with very few people actually buying the mainstream brands over the Red Ink, B3 competition etc, and compare that to the time we sponsors etc take to post on it, it can become a little bit tiring to only hear criticism and negativity.

With gloves specifically, the Phantom gloves are not a copy of any glove. Many other gloves which have been heralded on this forum are. Many brands , which are loved by the forum, develop their own products far less than Phantom. And yet here I am every week defending them from people who know very little to nothing about margins, prices, manufacturers, retailers etc etc.

I completely agree that you cannot massively redevelop anything - there is a reason many offerings are subtle tweaks on other pre-existing ideas. What does bother me though is people accusing Phantom of just copying others, when I can give evidence of this not being the case, and further evidence of other brands literally just copying and changing the colours, only for them to be held up as an example of innovation. It all just seems a little unfair, and difficult for people to understand why Phantom comes under this criticism whereas other brands don't?

CBD

All you can do in Life is try your best be Proud of what you do and who you Represent ILC seem to tick all the Boxes don't let the 0.01 percent weigh you down Life is too Short

[Tom]

Every brand copies each other, I'd be surprised if Phantom haven't.

Ive worked and designed softs from the ground up, but also definitely remember at one point I clearly remember saying 'Could you please make these Kookaburra pads, but with our branding'. As long as your brand brings something more to the industry than just the same old, I don't see too much wrong with it.

[Roaster323]

Come and watch my team on a Saturday, you'll see plenty of knobs twisting their gloves...

Hahaha......nice one!