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people need to respond this point raised by @ProCricketer1982 or stop talking about the issue. I would fully support someone who complains about all of the above AND mankadding, but people here seem to be perfectly fine with everything else. which, is inconsistent.

Who are you the forum police? pro can say and respond to whatever he likes,so can the rest of us within forum rules-and no rules have been broken

Ill tell you and everyone else the worst thing about this...this will harm west indies cricket when its on its knees already...
They will look back and regret this.

Remember paul collingwood and the collision run out in the one dayers with elliot? The umps asked him 5 times to withdraw the appeal.i was screaming at the telly to cancel it.he didnt..

[Karlo84]

people need to respond this point raised by @ProCricketer1982 or stop talking about the issue. I would fully support someone who complains about all of the above AND mankadding, but people here seem to be perfectly fine with everything else. which, is inconsistent.

"Or stop talking about the issue" of mankadding in a thread titled 'mankad strikes again'........ brilliant! haha. That  theory certainly explains some of your arguments.

You're assuming, Im happy with all the other points, which I'm not.

If someone nicks it and doesnt walk its wrong in my opinion
Noone should claim a catch when you know its not out - thats cheating.
With regards to all of the appeals.... thats what you pay umpires for.
Sledging - so long as its not personal and/or brings the game into disrepute a funny comment here or there can be shared by both teams- but if you give it, you have to be prepared to get a load back
Leaving your crease before the ball is bowled is what this entire thread is about - if youre doing it INTENTIONALLY to gain an unfair advantage then its wrong
The law will get much more strict as time goes on re: getting in the way of an incoming throw.

Right now I have answered all of your questions Mr Brokenbat man, am I/the rest of the thread allowed to continue to express my/our views on mankadding on a thread titled Mankad strikes again.

Best regards

[Karlo84]

Have I ever done it? No
Have I warned someone? Yes

Do I watch the batsmen and tell the bowlers if they leave their ground?? Yes, because it could be the difference in a run out or all through the game and the team gains 20/30 runs maybe..

Would I be happy mankading?? Yes if they leave their ground they are stealing runs. Umpires as well intentioned as they are, are useless and we all know they do nothing to stop sledging, stealing mm,cm or m's.. So there is no point crying about how they should control things etc. It needs a law and that law needs to be black and white..

Aka, do not leave your ground until the ball has left the hand. Anything else and you are in fact cheating

So why did you warn them first? - surely "its in the rules!" So by that admission you must agree that today was wrong....or you didnt feel the gain the batsman "stole" when you were bowling wasnt enough, but todays was....all 1cm of it.

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I think the ICC need to sort this asap. My suggestion would be to abolish the rule that can leave such a sour taste in the mouth and leave it up to the umpires. If they feel the batsman is gaining an unfair advantage they will in first instance warn them and in second instance deduct the batting side 5 runs.

Ha! You think the umpires would ever do that? Balls get changed because the 'condition of the ball has changed unnaturally' all the time, how often do the 5 penalty runs get used for that? The last time I can think of caused a forfeited test's worth of controversy! The rule works as it is, people just get whiny about it when it gets used.

[ProCricketer1982]

Remember paul collingwood and the collision run out in the one dayers with elliot? The umps asked him 5 times to withdraw the appeal.i was screaming at the telly to cancel it.he didnt..

Everyone can have an opinion, hopefully we don't all agree or it would be very boring

Anyway, England didn't suffer.. Giles Clarke still lords it.. Kp is still apparently not the right kind of good lad and buttler is still the saviour.. Oh no, is that hales?? Oh wait.. Stokes is the next kallis reincarnated ..

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OK, laugh at my suggestion but offer none of your own - cracking contribution

'The rule works as it is' - that would be the suggestion, calm and read carefully  I don't see any problem with the current rule, it's entirely the batsman's problem.

[Karlo84]

Clearly the rule doesnt work otherwise there wouldnt be such an uproar about it.

The rule maybe clear, and not often called upon, that doesnt mean it works.

[Karlo84]

'The rule works as it is' - that would be the suggestion, calm and read carefully  I don't see any problem with the current rule, it's entirely the batsman's problem.

Thats why I deleted it , I missed the part which is why I deleted it,calm and ensure the post is still there when replying .

[ProCricketer1982]

So why did you warn them first? - surely "its in the rules!" So by that admission you must agree that today was wrong....or you didnt feel the gain the batsman "stole" when you were bowling wasnt enough, but todays was....all 1cm of it.

I warn them cause I'm a good egg BUt I don't think you have too.. No one warns me when they appeal for lbw when I've hit it.. Or appeal lbw every time it hits the pads even though it's not out (although board umpires give them because they get pressurised), no one warns me when they shy at my stumps when I'm in it and it hits me.. No, because to accepted for some reason as 'part of the game'.. Hell, no one warns me when they start abusing me non stop and even when you point it out to an umpire it's ignored. (Considering I don't say a word to the Oppos so there is no excuse to sledge me - not that it works but I don't like the practise )

When all these aspects are challenged then I'll agree . Again, don't leave your ground until you are sure the ball has been bowled.. If you take the risk by not concentrating then you deserve to be run out

[procricket]

it was a (No Swearing Please) trick plain and simple and the way they went about celebrating was a piss take.

If you cant play fair (No Swearing Please) off

dogshit cricket at the highest order agree with you my Boatman mate

I play to win but that was crap

[Karlo84]

I warn them cause I'm a good egg BUt I don't think you have too.. No one warns me when they appeal for lbw when I've hit it.. Or appeal lbw every time it hits the pads even though it's not out (although board umpires give them because they get pressurised), no one warns me when they shy at my stumps when I'm in it and it hits me.. No, because to accepted for some reason as 'part of the game'.. Hell, no one warns me when they start abusing me non stop and even when you point it out to an umpire it's ignored.

When all these aspects are challenged then I'll agree . Again, don't leave your ground until you are sure the ball has been bowled.. If you take the risk by not concentrating then you deserve to be run out

I find it very hard to believe that someone would abuse you... 

[ProCricketer1982]

I find it very hard to believe that someone would abuse you... 

Course they do, and I never speak to opposition players so they have no reason other than going. Against the spirit of th game.

Again, anyone saying they are against this has to also be against the other spirit of cricket practises or they are being inconsistent

[ProCricketer1982]

it was a (No Swearing Please) trick plain and simple and the way they went about celebrating was a piss take.

If you cant play fair (No Swearing Please) off

dogshit cricket at the highest order agree with you my Boatman mate

I play to win but that was crap

You can play to win just as hard and competitive without mankading, stealing even a mm, sledging, appealing when you know it's not out, walking for nicks/run outs (99% of people know when they are run out if they are honest) etc

Alas, we all know that people will cheat or play against the spirit to suit their own ends

[procricket]

I would refuse to play for that team again the way they celebrated with a joke.

They will reap what they saw very poor.

I do not walk never have and if somebody gives me a word he will receive it back.

This though is (No Swearing Please) it the way they went about celebrating.

[ProCricketer1982]

I would refuse to play for that team again the way they celebrated with a joke.

They will reap what they saw very poor.

I do not walk never have and if somebody gives me a word he will receive it back.

This though is (No Swearing Please) it the way they went about celebrating.

There in lays the problem, on a personal level you regard mankading as poor sportsmanship but are willing not to walk even thigh you know you are out. To me, you can't on the one hand protest but with the other sneak the system.

'We' as a game either play fair or you don't, there is no middle ground because that non walk could ruin someone's game, could change a game etc