Topic: KP....nearly the end,it was eventful. (Read 21171 times)

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 17, 2018, 09:52:49 AM »

I may be wrong but wasn�t cook influential in getting KP back in the side after the South Africa saga?

ppccopener · « **Reply #61 on:** March 17, 2018, 10:14:09 AM »

You're not wrong it was Cook himself and Matt Prior. Prior made the first move. people make assumptions about Cook on this forum God knows where they get there information from. the fact that Cook is not on social media and does not discuss these events mean he gets painted with a reputation he does not deserve

if you want to look at the real crux of the problem it's Strauss and Flower, together they were a rock solid pair of individuals who backed each other up regardless.

There's def mis management on behalf of the ECB Buzz is dead right although his no comment post could be taken either way

haha

It takes two to tango thou and KP brought a lot of this on himself in my view.

Alvaro · « **Reply #62 on:** March 17, 2018, 10:39:26 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on March 17, 2018, 09:52:49 AM

I may be wrong but wasn�t cook influential in getting KP back in the side after the South Africa saga?

Captains generally want players who will win them games.

Rob580 · « **Reply #63 on:** March 17, 2018, 10:47:37 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 17, 2018, 10:14:09 AM

It takes two to tango thou and KP brought a lot of this on himself in my view.

This.

No doubt he was supremely talented and probably the best player we've had since Gooch. But, this sort of thing doesn't happen unless he's bringing some of it upon himself.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #64 on:** March 17, 2018, 12:32:30 PM »

A brilliant batsman, should have had another 3 years cricket but for his and others ego. Ultimately you pick your best team and KP did as well as anybody in that whitewash. You don't have to like the guy to know he is better in the team and all that happened was England were made weaker.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #65 on:** March 17, 2018, 12:42:33 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on March 17, 2018, 09:07:05 AM

Now I am sure he is a high maintenance player.

Played with a few Saffa's like that! Brash on the outside, a bit insecure on the inside. I remember one talented saffa who fretted about his batting position and thought it was better if we stuck to a specific position instead of adapting to the game situation. The Kiwi next to him, sunbathing on the floor, said "nah I just bat where ever". Sums up different cultures perfectly.

I can imagine KP talking alot and getting on Anderson's tits. I don't think Jimmy is a big one for chat. However, like in a workplace, you get on with it and acknowledge somebodies strengths and ignore the baggage that comes with it. Just shows how poorly managed the England team are when they can't deal with common workplace issues in a grown up manner.

SD · « **Reply #66 on:** March 17, 2018, 12:46:19 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on March 17, 2018, 09:52:49 AM

I may be wrong but wasn�t cook influential in getting KP back in the side after the South Africa saga?

When Cook stepped down as captain I remember Jonathan Agnew recalling a conversation he had with Cook after the 2012 tour to India. The gist of it was that Aggers had congratulated Cook on the way KP had been reintegrated back into the side and Cook responded by saying that KP woudn't have been there if it had been up to him.

Personally, i find it a measure of Cook's worth as a man that he played a key role behind the scenes in removing KP from the England side but never had the balls to publically justify his actions.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #67 on:** March 17, 2018, 01:06:34 PM »

You need a strong coach in those situations, to bang heads together and spell out why they are there - to win, not to make friends in the playground and hold hands. Cook got Moores (again), which must have been like a dream come true for the Cook/Flower Mafia, and they could at least deflect some of the blame elsewhere. I'm sure instead of idle speculation the truth will eventually come out when somebody involved decides to cash in on a bio.

jonny77 · « **Reply #68 on:** March 17, 2018, 02:55:46 PM »

Not sure anyone will really know what went on behind closed doors, shame as I'm sure we'd all love to! Obviously KP had the huge ego but as a player he was right up there class wise and a great entertainer. For those reasons alone he deserves every English cricket fans gratitude in my opinion, regardless of how they feel about him as a person.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 17, 2018, 05:42:51 PM »

The question is.. why did KP deserve to lose his career and yet stokes who may potentially.. potemtially.. end up as a criminal is being openly accepted back in..

Tbh.. I think I�d choose the non criminal over a criminal any day

GDP1964 · « **Reply #70 on:** March 17, 2018, 06:10:46 PM »

I think if someone pulls a bottle on you the last thoughts you have is I could very well get a criminal record for my actions .
KP had a lot of time to think about the consequences he would face if caught by given away trade secrets on not only his Teammate but Captain . I know for a fact iAndy Flower would admit that KP was the best and most talented Cricketer he has ever worked with but that does not mean you can sell your Teamates down the river and exspect a Blind eye to be turned. The last thing Flower wanted was not too have the best player he has not playing and all credit to ECB and Management they saw the bigger Picture made a decision and stuck with it

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #71 on:** March 17, 2018, 07:36:24 PM »

Quote from: GDP1964 on March 17, 2018, 06:10:46 PM

I think if someone pulls a bottle on you the last thoughts you have is I could very well get a criminal record for my actions .
KP had a lot of time to think about the consequences he would face if caught by given away trade secrets on not only his Teammate but Captain . I know for a fact iAndy Flower would admit that KP was the best and most talented Cricketer he has ever worked with but that does not mean you can sell your Teamates down the river and exspect a Blind eye to be turned. The last thing Flower wanted was not too have the best player he has not playing and all credit to ECB and Management they saw the bigger Picture made a decision and stuck with it

Bullying ok too then ?

I couldn�t care less about KP tbh.. he�s aren�t millions since leaving but the duel standards is what is annoying

t2ylo · « **Reply #72 on:** March 17, 2018, 07:55:28 PM »

I�m so conflicted about KP he�s clearly a genius - so I�ve nicked two tweets that resonated

Kevin Pietersen - "Tetris taught me that when you try to fit in, you disappear."

What a shame that Kevin Pietersen�s career has ended today without so much as a whimper.
He could have been given a Royal send off as one of Englands greatest Test & ODI batsmen.
But he was a tit.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #73 on:** March 17, 2018, 08:04:40 PM »

Pffft, a lot of people coming up with all the other people who are at fault for poor old Kevin�s stunted career.

The only person responsible for Kevin�s troubles is Kevin himself - no one went out to bring him down.

A very talented man who worked to his own agenda and was about as �English� as Bratwurst.

Getting a Lion tattoo and living in Chelsea doesn�t make you an England legend.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #74 on:** March 17, 2018, 08:30:08 PM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on March 17, 2018, 08:04:40 PM

Pffft, a lot of people coming up with all the other people who are at fault for poor old Kevin�s stunted career.

The only person responsible for Kevin�s troubles is Kevin himself - no one went out to bring him down.

A very talented man who worked to his own agenda and was about as �English� as Bratwurst.

Getting a Lion tattoo and living in Chelsea doesn�t make you an England legend.

No beating the Aussies does

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