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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #240 on: August 01, 2018, 05:44:54 PM »

With the Stokes dismissal... surely  Sam Curran needs to be stronger and stand his ground and give Ashwin the shoulder there doesn't he? I am in no way excusing the shot by the way.
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« Reply #241 on: August 01, 2018, 06:00:02 PM »

With the Stokes dismissal... surely  Sam Curran needs to be stronger and stand his ground and give Ashwin the shoulder there doesn't he? I am in no way excusing the shot by the way.

He’d be given out obstructing the field. Sure don’t move out th way but if you obstruct the fielder you’re gone
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« Reply #242 on: August 01, 2018, 06:02:29 PM »

I'm afraid this is very poor from us, We are making the same mistakes over and over and are a bang average team.

We seem to be a naive team, top class batsman in other teams nail it after a decent start !

Too much PR stuff from Root and the management, we need some straight talking Nasser type lose the plot rant! :-)


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« Reply #243 on: August 01, 2018, 06:07:00 PM »

He’d be given out obstructing the field. Sure don’t move out th way but if you obstruct the fielder you’re gone

Yes obviously don't obstruct him so much that you would be given out. But if Curran just stands were he is and is strong enough then Ashwin doesn't catch that.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #244 on: August 01, 2018, 06:14:24 PM »

I'm afraid this is very poor from us, We are making the same mistakes over and over and are a bang average team.

We seem to be a naive team, top class batsman in other teams nail it after a decent start !

Too much PR stuff from Root and the management, we need some straight talking Nasser type lose the plot rant! :-)

I can't help but think that the behind the scenes people have a lot to answer for. I know that it falls on the players first and foremost but the sooner we are shot of Baylis, Ramprakash etc... the better
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« Reply #245 on: August 01, 2018, 06:19:00 PM »

I'm afraid this is very poor from us, We are making the same mistakes over and over and are a bang average team.

We seem to be a naive team, top class batsman in other teams nail it after a decent start !

Too much PR stuff from Root and the management, we need some straight talking Nasser type lose the plot rant! :-)

And yet most on here would call many of our players top class.. world class.. we can’t have it both ways.. we either have half a team of top class or world class test players are we are over rating them and people need to be more honest. Maybe we are to blame ? Maybe we believe the media hype (remember they are paid to hype players up) and then expect too much from players who aren’t quite as good as we are led to believe .. or maybe they are that good and they just cba ?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #246 on: August 01, 2018, 06:20:17 PM »

Yes obviously don't obstruct him so much that you would be given out. But if Curran just stands were he is and is strong enough then Ashwin doesn't catch that.

Intentionally getting in the way regardless is obstruction. Everyone would know what he’s done so he’d be given. It’s not football just yet, although it’s getting there
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #247 on: August 01, 2018, 06:20:53 PM »

Wait till the other side bats on the same pitch.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #248 on: August 01, 2018, 06:26:13 PM »

Wait till the other side bats on the same pitch.

I’m not expecting this Indian batting to do much better. When is the last time India played swing well after all..

Root and Bairstow showed that if you apply yourself you can bat long so that’s what the top six need to learn and become more consistent
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« Reply #249 on: August 01, 2018, 06:41:12 PM »

We will be all out in the morning for 303, Currant to end on 40*

Jimmy to have a field day and  Broad to be poo (again).

Rashid picks up 3 cheap wickets from the tail
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #250 on: August 01, 2018, 06:58:28 PM »

And yet most on here would call many of our players top class.. world class.. we can’t have it both ways.. we either have half a team of top class or world class test players are we are over rating them and people need to be more honest. Maybe we are to blame ? Maybe we believe the media hype (remember they are paid to hype players up) and then expect too much from players who aren’t quite as good as we are led to believe .. or maybe they are that good and they just cba ?

Actually disagree slightly despite the forum being coated off recently for  too much kit @WalkingWicket37 , all living in Surrey(see other thread) and driving Porsches (!) most of us don't believe the hype constantly sprouted in the media. I think the majority of us think we are pretty average.

I don't mean to rant but I see us making the same errors over and over again, we do not score enough runs, and havnt for ages...

As far as the players go.....I don't think there are many better players available, we pretty much have the best playing- it's the mindset and yes the coaches, we have to get tougher.

We are already relying on our bowlers to help us out...300 ain't enough regardless of how many India get.

I'm going to sit on my balcony overlooking the Thames and calm down...no not in Surrey.  :)
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #251 on: August 01, 2018, 10:23:53 PM »

I can't help but think that the behind the scenes people have a lot to answer for. I know that it falls on the players first and foremost but the sooner we are shot of Baylis, Ramprakash etc... the better

It seems clear to me that Bayliss' priority is one day cricket, in particular next year's world cup.  We have stagnated in test cricket but made huge progress in the white ball game.    Given that Bayliss has already announced that he is stepping down next year, there is certainly an argument for Bayliss to be replaced as the head coach of the test team and allowed to concentrate on the limited overs side
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« Reply #252 on: August 01, 2018, 10:27:12 PM »

All Bairstow's fault, this

The run out was a poor judgment call but those things happen.   However, having ran out Root, to get out in the way he did was dreadful from a senior player
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #253 on: August 01, 2018, 11:47:58 PM »

We will be all out in the morning for 303, Currant to end on 40*

Jimmy to have a field day and  Broad to be poo (again).

Rashid picks up 3 cheap wickets from the tail




Im going to ask you for investment advice tomorrow if this all comes true . Love the specificity! 
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #254 on: August 02, 2018, 06:44:50 AM »

There was a stat read out on Sky yesterday during the cricket about England's average first innings score over the past 10 test matches or so. I want to say the average England 1st innings over that period was 288. I doubt we will dominate many test matches with that 1st innings average. We haven't been great in test matches for quite some time now, especially with the bat. Forgetting the players that we actually have in the team there aren't that many players in County cricket knocking down the door saying 'Pick Me!, Pick Me'. Even when we were a very poor test side we had players averaging 50+ in county cricket and bowlers averaging under 25. We are an exceptional one day side but a bang average test side. Chances are we are in for a hard winter in Sri Lanka and also in West Indies. I don't know what the specific answer is, maybe there is so much focus on white ball cricket to the detriment of the first class game. The point I'm trying to make (in a very long winded way) is this is not a sudden decline in how we are batting in test matches. I do think some of our selections have been strange with players with bang average first class records getting picked (I know there are exceptions like Vaughan and Tres) to play in test matches. Let's just hope that the new selection process gets busy very quickly. But players are just one factor, the current structure of domestic cricket needs a serious review (again).
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