Topic: England Vs India Test Matches (Read 169336 times)

felix · « **Reply #1125 on:** August 23, 2018, 04:21:33 PM »

Quote from: Mfarank on August 23, 2018, 02:09:26 PM

Question of the day: how long do England persist with Cook? He isnt getting any younger and hasnt justified his selection in a long time now. Is it time to let him go? Maybe have him play a few fc games to get his confidence back? Clearly reputation alone doesnt justify selection?

The brilliant George Dobell's take on the question in the following piece is worth a read, basically his time is almost up and the lack of obvious candidates to replace him shouldn't affect the decision...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24418388/alastair-cook-rarer-peaks-problem-england

I especially enjoyed his analogy...

"Cook is starting to look like the gym subscription you forget to cancel; the mobile phone contract that ties you in long after the screen is broken; the much-loved family pet whose next trip to the vet may not involve a return journey."

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1126 on:** August 23, 2018, 06:06:25 PM »

Quote from: Mfarank on August 23, 2018, 02:46:23 PM

Give Jason Roy a go maybe? Try Roy and JB as openers?

It�s not a f�ing one day game.. Jesus

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1127 on:** August 23, 2018, 06:07:55 PM »

Quote from: felix on August 23, 2018, 04:21:33 PM

The brilliant George Dobell's take on the question in the following piece is worth a read, basically his time is almost up and the lack of obvious candidates to replace him shouldn't affect the decision...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24418388/alastair-cook-rarer-peaks-problem-england

I especially enjoyed his analogy...

"Cook is starting to look like the gym subscription you forget to cancel; the mobile phone contract that ties you in long after the screen is broken; the much-loved family pet whose next trip to the vet may not involve a return journey."

There is no point throwing away a player when there is no one better. Have �we� learned nothing from KP\bell situations . He isn�t playing well but no one else is better and there are a few more in established players worth dropping first

Manormanic · « **Reply #1128 on:** August 23, 2018, 06:18:45 PM »

Quote from: petehosk on August 23, 2018, 12:46:25 PM

If Vince and Pope do perform, then once fit Bairstow may need to dislodge Buttler.

I think we can safely say that a fit Bairstow will be in the side come hell or highwater. What will be interesting will be the role he performs - if the management are keen on the idea of having Jonny as a specialist batsman with Buttler keeping at seven, then they may use this as an excuse to make the switch.

shadowlight · « **Reply #1129 on:** August 23, 2018, 06:55:48 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on August 23, 2018, 06:07:55 PM

There is no point throwing away a player when there is no one better. Have �we� learned nothing from KP\bell situations . He isn�t playing well but no one else is better and there are a few more in established players worth dropping first

I believe some one mentioned this couple of pages back that having Cook as a opening partner puts additional pressure on the new guy. They (new guys) know they are just one or two bad knock away from being dropped with managements stance being that Cook is undroppable (sp?) because we do not have a replacement player for him. Personally, I would drop him and try two new openers over the winter for sure or even sooner and give those guys 10 games or so to settle down. I would also like to see a left/right combination at the opening, which will force bowlers to change their line and length. Right now, I get the feeling that it takes bowlers about 2 overs each to find the rhythm and the two left hand batsmen at the top are toast and start struggling starting with the 5 or 6 over the innings.

Just my 2c or 2p worth of opinion

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #1130 on:** August 23, 2018, 07:27:37 PM »

I don't understand the logic of 'blooding new openers over the winter' have everyone forgotten that Sri Lanka are playing their home matches on absolute sandpits so whether it's Burns/Gubbins/Hameed/Mitchell they should've played these last two matches as getting runs in SL will be bloody difficult

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #1131 on:** August 23, 2018, 07:56:04 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on August 23, 2018, 07:27:37 PM

I don't understand the logic of 'blooding new openers over the winter' have everyone forgotten that Sri Lanka are playing their home matches on absolute sandpits so whether it's Burns/Gubbins/Hameed/Mitchell they should've played these last two matches as getting runs in SL will be bloody difficult

Yep that's why Jennings should play good player of spin didn't he get 100 in Mumbai

SD · « **Reply #1132 on:** August 23, 2018, 08:48:54 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on August 23, 2018, 06:07:55 PM

There is no point throwing away a player when there is no one better. Have �we� learned nothing from KP\bell situations . He isn�t playing well but no one else is better and there are a few more in established players worth dropping first

I completely agree with this. Players don't exist in isolation, they must be judged within context. Bell and Pietersen were removed far to early without any idea who would replace them. Given we haven't been able to find one opener to replace Strauss, I fail to see how replacing Cook is going to strengthen the batting.

If there was an outstanding candidate being kept out of the team by Cook then waiting for Cook to find form would be hindering the side. Given that we have gone back to Jennings in the hope that he is a better player now than the one who failed to hold down a place the last time he was given a go, that plainly isn't the case

ppccopener · « **Reply #1133 on:** August 23, 2018, 08:59:14 PM »

Quote from: SD on August 23, 2018, 08:48:54 PM

I completely agree with this. Players don't exist in isolation, they must be judged within context. Bell and Pietersen were removed far to early without any idea who would replace them. Given we haven't been able to find one opener to replace Strauss, I fail to see how replacing Cook is going to strengthen the batting.

If there was an outstanding candidate being kept out of the team by Cook then waiting for Cook to find form would be hindering the side. Given that we have gone back to Jennings in the hope that he is a better player now than the one who failed to hold down a place the last time he was given a go, that plainly isn't the case

Yes indeed. Jennings they really want to come thru I don't think they wanted to drop him first time round, problem is he looks to have the same faults. I've had a tot up not everyone but some I can't think of tried in 2 years:
Lyth
Robson
Hameed
Duckett
Vince
Malan
Ballance
Westley
Pope
Stoneman

I'm sure I've missed some but apart from ballance everyone has been top order

Compton was another

SD · « **Reply #1134 on:** August 23, 2018, 09:35:54 PM »

The only one of that lot who looked comfortable was Hameed who was unfortunate to lose his place due to injury and whose form subsequently has made him unselectable. The rest fell far below what was required

shadowlight · « **Reply #1135 on:** August 23, 2018, 09:45:03 PM »

Quote from: SD on August 23, 2018, 08:48:54 PM

I completely agree with this. Players don't exist in isolation, they must be judged within context. Bell and Pietersen were removed far to early without any idea who would replace them. Given we haven't been able to find one opener to replace Strauss, I fail to see how replacing Cook is going to strengthen the batting.

If there was an outstanding candidate being kept out of the team by Cook then waiting for Cook to find form would be hindering the side. Given that we have gone back to Jennings in the hope that he is a better player now than the one who failed to hold down a place the last time he was given a go, that plainly isn't the case

Fair enough, but I have to ask is the new guy likely to be any worst than Cook in current form? I think it is worth trying a new opener, especially if the opener in question is a solid fielder in slips. The downside is the runs scored are to what Cook has scored recently, but the upside is that England could end up with a better slip fielder compared to Cook and the new guy gets experience at the highest level.

Cook has lost his edge after 2013/2014 Ashes in Australia. His average is down almost 7 runs but the bigger worry is the number of centuries he has scored before (25) v/s after (7). He has not scored a century since the Melbourne test which was 8 tests ago and the closest that he has come to one is the 70 against Pakistan @ Lords.

Stats Before 2013/14 Ashes
Stats After 2013/14 Ashes

six and out · « **Reply #1136 on:** August 24, 2018, 07:05:54 AM »

Firstly I will point out that personally I wouldn't drop Cook right now.

However I also really more and more am coming to the conclusion that we are looking for a white elephant and the simply isn't a replacement for Cook. We are putting to much pressure on ourselves to find one. Therefore there needs to be a leap of faith and through in the best we have and back them to the hilt and be done with it.

If it's in the Winter of course it's going to be tough it's Sri Lanka away on burnsens from ball one. If it's next summer it's the pressure of a home ashes.... but it has to be some time doesn't it.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1137 on:** August 24, 2018, 07:40:15 AM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on August 23, 2018, 06:06:25 PM

It�s not a f�ing one day game...

If only cricket lovers were able to say this more often.

northernboy1987 · « **Reply #1138 on:** August 24, 2018, 07:41:16 AM »

Crackers to drop Cook before the winter. Sri Lanka prepare absolute burners and you're going to drop an opening batsman with 12k test runs who averages 53 in Asia.

petehosk · « **Reply #1139 on:** August 24, 2018, 07:50:34 AM »

Re dropping Cook.....
My opinion is to find an opening partner for him first! He has had so many opening partners with very limited success.
We know that Cook can open but he hasn't seemed to look settled since Strauss retired! Part of this could be due to him no longer feeling 100% settled? (pure spculation, but we all know cricket can be a game of confidence!)
We don't know the reasons, but once we get an opener who starts to perform, then we give them a go together and see how they get on?
Lets face it, there is no real alternative right now and England are struggling to find a second opener -so let's concentrate on that second opener for the moment?

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