England Vs India Test Matches
Advertise on CBF

Pages: 1 ... 108 109 [110] 111 112 ... 117

Author Topic: England Vs India Test Matches  (Read 169193 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

LEACHY48

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2278
  • Trade Count: (+4)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1635 on: September 10, 2018, 07:16:42 PM »

Hes just full of what he’s spouting  ;)

hahaha  :D
Logged

ProCricketer1982

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7432
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1636 on: September 10, 2018, 07:29:34 PM »

Cricket writers that are British are irrelevant is international recognition. Cook gets some which is merited for his efforts in Ashes 2010-11 and India 2012 which are a feather in his cap.

Anderson gets little to no international recognition as he's a home town bully.

Oh come on

Anderson is one of the better swing bowlers to have played the game. The greatest?? Probably not but he’s one of the best.

Cook, sure he’s declined (this test proves how much his mental powers have declined as he’s suddnely the cook of old) but he’s the last of a breed that we shall probably never see again. Is he the greatest ?? Probably not , but he’s one of England’s best and he’s shown that it’s not about ‘talent’ or being the biggest ball striker .. it’s about knowing your game and sticking to it..

The modern batsmen, especially stokes, Bairstow, buttler, root and co could learn a lot


Well done Cook, fantastic career and Anderson will also deserve praise when he calls time within the next 12 months
Logged

ProCricketer1982

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7432
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1637 on: September 10, 2018, 07:35:25 PM »

If you want a like for like comparison it's Steyn vs Anderson. And it's still a no contest

Steyn was the greatest of his generation but Anderson is one of the best of the same generation. Anderson is slower and so has longevity, meaning more wickets .. add to that being a swing bowler in englsnd but.. but.. he’s also bowled well abroad.

Steyn vs Anderson isn’t really a debate.. both are top of their generation in different ways

Logged

InternalTraining

  • World Cup Winner
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 4821
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1638 on: September 10, 2018, 07:47:02 PM »

Cook, sure he’s declined (this test proves how much his mental powers have declined as he’s suddnely the cook of old) but he’s the last of a breed that we shall probably never see again. Is he the greatest ?? Probably not , but he’s one of England’s best and he’s shown that it’s not about ‘talent’ or being the biggest ball striker .. it’s about knowing your game and sticking to it..

Exactly. We just saw one of the last greats left of this discipline, of Test opening, call it a day. It saddened me to see him leave the ground. I wish he had broken all records before retiring. So is life.

I just don't see any of these modern batsmen having a long career like Cook. Root and Kohli with all their talent have captaincy and 3-format pressures which will break their bodies down.
Logged

Davehugh

  • Club Cricketer
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 118
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1639 on: September 10, 2018, 07:51:45 PM »

A lot of pish being talked on this thread just because Cook doesn't have a lovely cover drive or and Anderson can't bowl 90mph+ (Although in his early years he could!) doesn't mean they are both aren't or will be legends of the game. When Anderson decides to hangs up the boots I'm not sure we will quite appreciate how good they both are/were especially as an Englishmen there records are unlikely to ever be beaten.
Logged

rickjames

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 5100
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1640 on: September 10, 2018, 07:53:14 PM »

Logged

ProCricketer1982

  • Forum Legend
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 7432
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1641 on: September 10, 2018, 08:18:46 PM »

What no one has mentioned is that root looked like root today.. why?? Because he has someone at the other end scoring runs and.. more crucially .. he wasn’t the man in the spot light..

Is that telling or is it jut coincidence?!?!
Logged

stamper

  • Club Cricketer
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 69
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1642 on: September 10, 2018, 08:30:50 PM »

Is Glen MGrath a legend? Because Jimmy is just about to overtake him as the leading test wicket taker for a fast bowler.  And he had to bowl to Aussie batsmen.  Jimmy will no doubt be remembered among the greats.  And massive credit to him for the life he must lead in order to stay fit for so long.  Not easy for a quick.

As for Chef - A good number of players around the world have had massive natural talent for hitting a cricket ball and all the shots in the book but not been able to apply that to international test success.  Cook has worked bloody hard to develop what he needed to his game to the point where he is probably in the top 5 of opening batsmen in world history.
Logged

WalkingWicket37

  • International Superstar
  • *******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12983
  • Trade Count: (+26)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1643 on: September 10, 2018, 08:42:42 PM »

If Jimmy isn't a legend because "he took most of his wickets with a Dukes ball on a green tops" how come Cook's efforts aren't receiving more praise? Seeing as he was batting on the same green tops against Dukes for most of his games doesn't that make his average of 45 more impressive, as you can't claim he's a flat track bully...

Whatever nonsense is spouted from behind a keyboard, they're both legends. England will miss Chef, the same as they'll inevitably miss Jimmy when he hangs up his bowling boots in the future. Perhaps it will take the retirement of the legends for people to realise what they're missing :)
Logged

Duck Duck Mongoose

  • First XI Captain
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 154
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1644 on: September 10, 2018, 08:50:28 PM »

Perhaps it will take the retirement of the legends for people to realise what they're missing :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bdMSCdw20
Logged

Mister Le Chiffre

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1500
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1645 on: September 10, 2018, 08:51:32 PM »

If Jimmy isn't a legend because "he took most of his wickets with a Dukes ball on a green tops" how come Cook's efforts aren't receiving more praise? Seeing as he was batting on the same green tops against Dukes for most of his games doesn't that make his average of 45 more impressive, as you can't claim he's a flat track bully...

Whatever nonsense is spouted from behind a keyboard, they're both legends. England will miss Chef, the same as they'll inevitably miss Jimmy when he hangs up his bowling boots in the future. Perhaps it will take the retirement of the legends for people to realise what they're missing :)
Cook had his best performances away from home unless you're still under the impression that India and Australia belong to queen and country...
Logged
Opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.

liscon12

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1706
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1646 on: September 10, 2018, 08:57:03 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bdMSCdw20
's
And those who want a more modern incarnation there's the Counting Crows version
Logged
Best Bowling: 7-22        Top Score: 54

WalkingWicket37

  • International Superstar
  • *******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 12983
  • Trade Count: (+26)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1647 on: September 10, 2018, 09:00:22 PM »

Cook had his best performances away from home unless you're still under the impression that India and Australia belong to queen and country...

Cook's Test career in England:
89 matches, 155 innings

6,586 runs at 44.37
32 x 50's
15 x 100's
Highest score 294

3 MOM
1 MOS
« Last Edit: September 10, 2018, 09:07:50 PM by WalkingWicket37 »
Logged

Mister Le Chiffre

  • International Captain
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1500
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1648 on: September 10, 2018, 09:06:18 PM »

Cook's Test career in England:
89 matches, 155 innings

6,586 runs at 44.37
32 x 50's
15 x 100's
Highest score 294

3 MOM
1 MOS
Don't think you understand the concept of better away from home

100s: 18
50s: 25
Average: 46.48
Runs: 5904

He scored 100s more frequently away from home in considerably fewer matches
« Last Edit: September 10, 2018, 09:13:47 PM by Batoff »
Logged
Opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.

jamesisapayne

Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1649 on: September 10, 2018, 09:09:17 PM »

Very sad to think that we won't be watching Cook opening up for England anymore, but I'm really glad he got a fairytale ending - a great send off for a selfless servant of the game who damn sure made the most of his ability to play at the highest level for 12 years. No amount of keyboard warrior bullcrap on here can take that away from him and the amount of ex-pro's/adversaries who have come out and congratulated him speaks volumes for him as a man and a player.

The same for Jimmy, hoping he breaks McGrath's record tomorrow, and I'm sure Glenn himself would be the first to congratulate him. I couldn't give two hoots if wind up merchants on here think he's nowhere near the calibre of Dale Steyn, I'm glad that I've been able to watch him bowl over the years and marvel at his control, skill and longevity.

To be honest, I don't think anyone of us on here can really have a valid opinion on why Jimmy isn't as good as Steyn, or Cook isn't as good as so and so. The fact is these guys have made it to the absolute top of their game and been such consistent performers over so many years. Until you've reached the pinnacle and seen the sheer drive, ambition, guts and sacrifices they have made to get where they are, the comments of wind up merchants like LeChiffre etc are worthless. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, it's a free world after all but in years to come Cook will be able to look back on a test career that lasted over a decade at the top with immense pride, whereas all some of the people who post comments on here can do is look back at all the bitterness and bile they've written.

It's been a pleasure to watch this series, it's been thoroughly entertaining watching players like Kohli, Anderson, Curran, Stokes, Pujara, Ashwin etc all and it's going to be an interesting next few years for this England team.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2018, 09:12:53 PM by jamesisapayne »
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 108 109 [110] 111 112 ... 117
 

Advertise on CBF