Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147817 times)

LateBloomer · « **Reply #255 on:** January 25, 2019, 05:27:33 AM »

Quote from: shadowlight on January 25, 2019, 02:30:21 AM

Pathetic from England. Not 100% sure why the hell do you need 3 all rounders in the team. I also think England team has entitlement problems. If you get dropped make a stink about (Baristow and now it seems to be Broad) and promptly get selected or get special dispensation. England went into the game with one genuine bowler in Anderson and everyone else is 2nd/3rd string bowler, with no chance of keeping a lid on scoring.

I do not know enough about Woakes but if Broad, Curran, Stone are ahead of him why the heck (use your imagination in select stronger 4 letter words) is England management not releasing him so he can go play somewhere else (Aus, NZ or SA) and get match practice, instead of carrying drinks.

England mgmt sure ruined Hameed's career. The guy was one of the most exciting player coming through with proper game plan for test match, now he cannot even convince his county team for a game. It might be worth it for him to leave Lanc and maybe move to another county but which county. Personally, I think he might benefit by going to Durham and go work with Collingwood, who made a career by playing within his means.

Is Collingwood part of the coaching team in WI? If yes, can England draft him into the playing 11. My money would be on him playing a lot better than majority of the current players.

I agree with everything you say except Broad making a stink. By all accounts his attitude was very good in Sri Lanka and I havent seen any negative comments from him here either

Although after this shambles a man with 400+ wickets and a hat trick in his last game probably has every right to ask a question or two.

His selection wouldn't mask Englands inept batting but at the same time lets not let Englands inept batting hide the fact that the selection of the bowlers was wrong

9 times out of 10 its best to look at the make up of the home bowling attack and copy them. We did it well in Sri Lanka, not sure why we got to West Indies and thought we knew conditions better than the locals

Kulli · « **Reply #256 on:** January 25, 2019, 08:06:45 AM »

Doesn't Hameed need to take a fair chunk of the blame for his total collapse. I struggle to believe that just on the nbasis of being told to make his game more expensive that he's reached the stage he can't even get it off the square at county 2nd team level.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #257 on:** January 25, 2019, 09:22:06 AM »

Quote from: shadowlight on January 25, 2019, 02:30:21 AM

Pathetic from England. Not 100% sure why the hell do you need 3 all rounders in the team. I also think England team has entitlement problems. If you get dropped make a stink about (Baristow and now it seems to be Broad) and promptly get selected or get special dispensation. England went into the game with one genuine bowler in Anderson and everyone else is 2nd/3rd string bowler, with no chance of keeping a lid on scoring.

I do not know enough about Woakes but if Broad, Curran, Stone are ahead of him why the heck (use your imagination in select stronger 4 letter words) is England management not releasing him so he can go play somewhere else (Aus, NZ or SA) and get match practice, instead of carrying drinks.

England mgmt sure ruined Hameed's career. The guy was one of the most exciting player coming through with proper game plan for test match, now he cannot even convince his county team for a game. It might be worth it for him to leave Lanc and maybe move to another county but which county. Personally, I think he might benefit by going to Durham and go work with Collingwood, who made a career by playing within his means.

Is Collingwood part of the coaching team in WI? If yes, can England draft him into the playing 11. My money would be on him playing a lot better than majority of the current players.

Collingwood is currently Englands fielding coach but is being tipped to be offered a role alongside Ashley Giles.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #258 on:** January 25, 2019, 09:45:39 AM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on January 25, 2019, 05:27:33 AM

I agree with everything you say except Broad making a stink. By all accounts his attitude was very good in Sri Lanka and I havent seen any negative comments from him here either

Although after this shambles a man with 400+ wickets and a hat trick in his last game probably has every right to ask a question or two.

His selection wouldn't mask Englands inept batting but at the same time lets not let Englands inept batting hide the fact that the selection of the bowlers was wrong

9 times out of 10 its best to look at the make up of the home bowling attack and copy them. We did it well in Sri Lanka, not sure why we got to West Indies and thought we knew conditions better than the locals

The more this game goes on and with Anderson having bowled 34 overs alreadythe more it shows that England got there team selection wrong Broad should have played and with his current form he could have been really effective it's not hindsight you have to get the team right before the first ball is bowled with England playing the extra batter it was never a balanced side.
It's also possible in the post match interviews England will admit they got the team selection wrong

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #259 on:** January 25, 2019, 09:50:44 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on January 25, 2019, 08:06:45 AM

Doesn't Hameed need to take a fair chunk of the blame for his total collapse. I struggle to believe that just on the nbasis of being told to make his game more expensive that he's reached the stage he can't even get it off the square at county 2nd team level.

I think he does... however everything. I�ve heard is that he works hard at his game

Isn�t his dad his coach? This may be the change that�s needed more than anything

mo_town · « **Reply #260 on:** January 25, 2019, 10:15:23 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 25, 2019, 09:50:44 AM

I think he does... however everything. I�ve heard is that he works hard at his game

Isn�t his dad his coach? This may be the change that�s needed more than anything

What he needs is to spend a summer in the Che Pujara school of cricket.

ppccopener · « **Reply #261 on:** January 25, 2019, 10:31:22 AM »

Hameed needs time, patience and perhaps a change of environment judging by Lancs comments they are getting frustrated with him. I think also as mentioned your dad coaching you can only go so far. He has something about him to make a test player but if you look back English players take longer to develop as batsmen, only a few has been the real deal early-like cook and bell at 21/22.

But hameed is no where near playing at the highest level yet and it's not his fault we we out for 77.

Mostly problems start with the openers, get that right and you are halfway there, Burns needs a run, Jennings weakness is pace, unusual for an opener.

But what to do? Denly in with virtually no match practice? That's a big ask...

stevat · « **Reply #262 on:** January 25, 2019, 11:13:45 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 25, 2019, 10:31:22 AM

Hameed needs time, patience and perhaps a change of environment judging by Lancs comments they are getting frustrated with him. I think also as mentioned your dad coaching you can only go so far. He has something about him to make a test player but if you look back English players take longer to develop as batsmen, only a few has been the real deal early-like cook and bell at 21/22.

But hameed is no where near playing at the highest level yet and it's not his fault we we out for 77.

Mostly problems start with the openers, get that right and you are halfway there, Burns needs a run, Jennings weakness is pace, unusual for an opener.

But what to do? Denly in with virtually no match practice? That's a big ask...

Jennings is a decent bat, the difference with him pace vs spin is that against spin he has the happy knack of being able to poke the ball around with soft hands and pick up singles here and there to get himself off strike and keep the score ticking over. Against pace, nudges and knicks can go to hand so he's more reticent, which is a good thing. Problem is that approach doesn't keep the score moving, and you can see him build the pressure internally until he starts playing some forced strokes, and eventually going after the ball too much. If he can find a way to rotate strike against the new ball he'd be a fantastic opener. Still only 26 yo as well remember.

Do agree that Hameed was fantastic to watch, and really hope he gets back to what he was. Enjoyed watching Lees make the beginnings of a comeback at Durham towards the end of last season also. There's a bunch of them in the circuit that struggled with their first dip in form, just shows how important the psychological side of the game is at that level.

rickjames · « **Reply #263 on:** January 25, 2019, 11:34:35 AM »

Ah, emotional investment in sport.

Looking forward to crashing out later for 90 odd

six and out · « **Reply #264 on:** January 25, 2019, 01:34:45 PM »

You know everyone always jumps all over England and never ever gives credit where it's due!

I don't think i have seen 1 post (apologies if i missed it) about actually how well the Windies quicks bowled, they were brilliant, genuine pace, mixed with proper line and length and just enough movement etc... and then went for the throat when we were down.

Yes of course we should probably have picked Broad

Yes of course we should have batted better

But if you look at it for a second Hetymer was dropped on 3 (i think it was), take 78 runs off the WI score and it's barely 200 - maybe a lot less than that considering the partnership with Chase. Completely different game walking out to bat then.

All i am saying is can we just for once give some credit to the oppo etc...

csnew · « **Reply #265 on:** January 25, 2019, 02:39:25 PM »

Stokes being bowled into the ground by root. Bowled 15 out of the 44 already. Curran and the spinners just not effective.

Lead passes 360 - Windies would be hoping for another 60-80 runs to be safe

liscon12 · « **Reply #266 on:** January 25, 2019, 02:50:26 PM »

Pitch goes flat, rain and then a draw. That's my prediction

But with the pace WI have I can't see England winning at all

CricketXI · « **Reply #267 on:** January 25, 2019, 02:54:36 PM »

I think WI are not looking to declare, they would like to score as much as possible and give 1.5 days or possibly 2 days to their bowlers to win this for them.

Now All depends upon J.Root to playout those last 2 days.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #268 on:** January 25, 2019, 02:54:51 PM »

Quote from: six and out on January 25, 2019, 01:34:45 PM

You know everyone always jumps all over England and never ever gives credit where it's due!

I don't think i have seen 1 post (apologies if i missed it) about actually how well the Windies quicks bowled, they were brilliant, genuine pace, mixed with proper line and length and just enough movement etc... and then went for the throat when we were down.

Yes of course we should probably have picked Broad

Yes of course we should have batted better

But if you look at it for a second Hetymer was dropped on 3 (i think it was), take 78 runs off the WI score and it's barely 200 - maybe a lot less than that considering the partnership with Chase. Completely different game walking out to bat then.

All i am saying is can we just for once give some credit to the oppo etc...

I said WI bowled well thanks. I�m sure others will have too BUt we all care about England so they will attract the comments. Yes WI did well but let�s not pretend this side jut had a bad day..

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #269 on:** January 25, 2019, 02:55:32 PM »

Quote from: CricketXI on January 25, 2019, 02:54:36 PM

I think WI are not looking to declare, they would like to score as much as possible and give 1.5 days or possibly 2 days to their bowlers to win this for them.

Now All depends upon J.Root to playout those last 2 days.

WI should bat into day 4 and aim to completely destroy stokes and Anderson. England lose either to injury or tiredness and englsnd are in dire straights

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