Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 138398 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #195 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:02:44 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on December 27, 2019, 02:34:27 PM

Quite simply we have a world class ODI set up and a bang average year set up.

Hell we can all see that Foakes should be in the side at the expense of both Butler and Bairstow. But at the first opportunity we discard Crawley after one test and 1 innings and put YJB back in.
We can�t get Archer to replicate what he can do in 10 overs in a ODI into a test match, our best batter is hampered with also being captain which is impacting his batting massively.
We haven�t had a decent spinner since Swann retired and for some reason don�t look like getting a replacement soon.

The test match side needs to be reviewed like our ODI side was a few years back

These players for white ball weren�t produced a few years ago. Look at their ages.. thry have been a product of a white ball heavy system for 8-12 years now. The system has been moving from grass roots upwards to white ball for a long while no. Sure the ECB changed a bit which helped the main team but these guys didn�t just suddnely come along as they are all 28-30.. the system changed back in the mid late 2000�s

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #196 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:04:04 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on December 27, 2019, 01:55:25 PM

Root and Thorpe both need to be sacked.

Root is a lousy skipper and Thorpe has failed in his role s batting coach.

Who else is there to replace root ??

Ramps then Thorpe.. no wonder but let�s be honest.... these guys don�t and shouldn�t need coaching at test level as that learning should have been done at amateur and county level

csnew · « **Reply #197 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:12:17 PM »

Poor field from root, no slips on this wicket

csnew · « **Reply #198 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:30:38 PM »

Pathetic from archer - no apology for his two beamers. The guys attitude is seriously poor

WABH-J · « **Reply #199 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:32:59 PM »

Nothing more heart warming than an international fast bowler not using the facilities - amazing

rickjames · « **Reply #200 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:33:10 PM »

A shambles of a day. Embarrassing

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #201 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:35:43 PM »

I�d assume 250 would be the most we could possibly chase. If the South Africans push it close to 300 I don�t see us winning.

SD · « **Reply #202 on:** December 27, 2019, 03:52:21 PM »

As much as there has been criticism of the way Archer has been managed, the handling of Butler has been every bit as bad. As things stand, the difference between the two sides on a challenging batting pitch as been a superb counter-attacking display by De Kock. Butler is as capable as any player in world cricket to match that sort of innings to take the game away from the opposition but instead he is being sent in to scratch around going no where until he gets a good ball. If Butler is in the side, he needs the freedom from the team management to produce game changing innings, not to be expected to drop anchor.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #203 on:** December 27, 2019, 04:11:06 PM »

Quote from: SD on December 27, 2019, 03:52:21 PM

As much as there has been criticism of the way Archer has been managed, the handling of Butler has been every bit as bad. As things stand, the difference between the two sides on a challenging batting pitch as been a superb counter-attacking display by De Kock. Butler is as capable as any player in world cricket to match that sort of innings to take the game away from the opposition but instead he is being sent in to scratch around going no where until he gets a good ball. If Butler is in the side, he needs the freedom from the team management to produce game changing innings, not to be expected to drop anchor.

Trouble is over half the team all go in and just attack (or pay their way regardless).. everyone can�t just be allowed to attack regardless

I don�t disagree though that at 7, buttler would probably be best served by just playing his ODI game. Sadly we have have a 4/5/6/8/9 all doing the same and that�ll rarely work

rickjames · « **Reply #204 on:** December 27, 2019, 04:13:27 PM »

Du Plessis apparently running off to the match referee about the Archer thing.

SD · « **Reply #205 on:** December 27, 2019, 04:16:11 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on December 27, 2019, 04:11:06 PM

Trouble is over half the team all go in and just attack (or pay their way regardless).. everyone can�t just be allowed to attack regardless

I don�t disagree though that at 7, buttler would probably be best served by just playing his ODI game. Sadly we have have a 4/5/6/8/9 all doing the same and that�ll rarely work

I disagree that Stokes simply goes in to attach, he has shown over the last 12 months superb judgment when it comes to the reading of a game situation and what is required. Likewise, I don't see anything from Pope in his first class career to date which would suggest that he can't adapt his game. But for illness he would be playing here.

Ultimately it comes down to the top 3 and their inability to build partnerships at the top of the order. For me Denly has looked the most composed and well organised but you can't build a platform on a top 3 who don't average more than 30.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #206 on:** December 27, 2019, 04:30:43 PM »

Quote from: SD on December 27, 2019, 04:16:11 PM

I disagree that Stokes simply goes in to attach, he has shown over the last 12 months superb judgment when it comes to the reading of a game situation and what is required. Likewise, I don't see anything from Pope in his first class career to date which would suggest that he can't adapt his game. But for illness he would be playing here.

Ultimately it comes down to the top 3 and their inability to build partnerships at the top of the order. For me Denly has looked the most composed and well organised but you can't build a platform on a top 3 who don't average more than 30.

This team has been the same since what, 2015 onwards.. stokes today was too aggressive and paid the price. Bairstow, Roy, hales vince Etc. Stokes avg 35 shows that whilst we know he can play the situation and can produce a world class innings he is also very capable of playing like today.. a bit too one day mode and not willing to grind it. It�s about consistency remember . We know he can.. it�s just he needs to do it game after game after game

How often does root nick off ? Today again, open face �seduced by the open 3rd man�.. it�s test cricket.. just leave it .. one day mode sees him wanting to hit it though.

Just small things like that

SD · « **Reply #207 on:** December 27, 2019, 05:11:30 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on December 27, 2019, 04:30:43 PM

This team has been the same since what, 2015 onwards.. stokes today was too aggressive and paid the price. Bairstow, Roy, hales vince Etc. Stokes avg 35 shows that whilst we know he can play the situation and can produce a world class innings he is also very capable of playing like today.. a bit too one day mode and not willing to grind it. It�s about consistency remember . We know he can.. it�s just he needs to do it game after game after game

How often does root nick off ? Today again, open face �seduced by the open 3rd man�.. it�s test cricket.. just leave it .. one day mode sees him wanting to hit it though.

Just small things like that

I am not sure where grinding gets you on a surface like this where you will are never in and will get an unplayable ball at some point. The only man from either team to make a serious score is the one who looked to play positively or "white ball mode" as it seems to be now known

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #208 on:** December 27, 2019, 05:40:08 PM »

Quote from: SD on December 27, 2019, 05:11:30 PM

I am not sure where grinding gets you on a surface like this where you will are never in and will get an unplayable ball at some point. The only man from either team to make a serious score is the one who looked to play positively or "white ball mode" as it seems to be now known

He wasn�t the only one .. sigh.. he was just the one who has come off on the day

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #209 on:** December 27, 2019, 06:55:14 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on December 27, 2019, 05:40:08 PM

He wasn�t the only one .. sigh.. he was just the one who has come off on the day

And that's probably the difference between the teams. Sometimes it goes your way and other times it doesn't - Doesn't mean England's approach has been wrong, looks like a proper variable bounce pitch where you're never really in so can't blame players having a bit of a dip.

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