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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #315 on: December 29, 2019, 01:44:06 PM »

This is the same SA side who were hammered by India on the subcontinent by pace. This is still one of the worst SA batting line ups
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #316 on: December 29, 2019, 01:46:15 PM »

This is the same SA side who were hammered by India on the subcontinent by pace. This is still one of the worst SA batting line ups

The same crappy lineup that just beat England 😂
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #317 on: December 29, 2019, 01:46:57 PM »

3 black Africans
3 Asian or mixed raced player
Max 5 white players
It’s also an average, not per match.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #318 on: December 29, 2019, 01:55:49 PM »

Philander to Somerset on Kolpak looks great deal for us!
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #319 on: December 29, 2019, 02:03:34 PM »

Philander will take an absolute mountain of wickets on early season English wickets.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #320 on: December 29, 2019, 02:09:01 PM »

The same crappy lineup that just beat England 😂

This SA side isn’t very good. It’s just england are over rated and won’t have a bad word said about its players
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #321 on: December 29, 2019, 02:50:53 PM »

Have to agree, England need to seriously evaluate their test selection process and be prepared to be hyper critical. Pope getting sick was unlucky but the likes of Bairstow and Buttler are very lucky to still be there.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #322 on: December 29, 2019, 03:55:43 PM »

Have to agree, England need to seriously evaluate their test selection process and be prepared to be hyper critical. Pope getting sick was unlucky but the likes of Bairstow and Buttler are very lucky to still be there.

Buttler isn’t lucky to be there, he has deserve to keep his spot for a bit longer but Bairstow really should have been kicked into touch a long while ago. He’s lived on his purple patch for too long and then random good knocks. Buttler has probably only got another series and then should be re evaluated. If he’s not scoring the runs consistently then he’s not good enough.

Foakes might not be the answer but better to give people a 10 test stint than keep these players who have played 30+ tests and still have avg’s in the 30’s Etc
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #323 on: December 29, 2019, 03:57:58 PM »

None of this matters as we won’t find any better players until the cricket system is overhauled. If it’s not, this will continue and get worse until they dumb down tests more or make them more just two one day innings style games.

The system from saturday league to pro simply isn’t geared up to produce or promote red ball techniques or mentalities or skills. It’s all set up to produce white ball players and has been for years now.. like 15
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #324 on: December 29, 2019, 04:08:18 PM »

George Dobell reporting that Jack Leach won't be available for the second Test - and could be sent home
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« Reply #325 on: December 29, 2019, 05:14:59 PM »

Ok, so lets put away the pitchforks for a moment and look at the facts, and what we have to work with.

I don't think there are many players in County Cricket who would jump ahead of many in the squad - however, there are several possibilities that need to be considered, things that I feel the Captain / Coach / Selectors are running away from, or are too scared to address (I know I will get pilloried for some of these, but you can't move forwards by looking backwards)

1) Stick with Burns / Sibley / Crawley - they might not be getting mountains of runs, but they are the future and they need a chance to fail in order to gain the experience to succeed

2) It is time to relieve Root of the Captaincy  - parachute someone in for a year or try Stokes out, but do something for f*cks sake!

3) Pick your best keeper/batsman for Tests - it's Foakes, don't debate it, just get him in and give him a run

4) We need to bed in a spinner - I dont think Leach is a test spinner and I don't care about his tail-end runs, bed an out and out wicket-taker in now

5) I don't think Broad and Anderson have much more to give. I don't think they should both be in the same side at the same time, they don't hit the stumps enough and they don't take enough wickets - one or the other, no time for misty-eyed sentiment.

Gentlemen, we are currently going down the khazi - get the match-winners in, let them fail a few times, show a little faith and watch us rise again.

The tail is wagging the dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #326 on: December 29, 2019, 05:22:23 PM »

Ok, so lets put away the pitchforks for a moment and look at the facts, and what we have to work with.

I don't think there are many players in County Cricket who would jump ahead of many in the squad - however, there are several possibilities that need to be considered, things that I feel the Captain / Coach / Selectors are running away from, or are too scared to address (I know I will get pilloried for some of these, but you can't move forwards by looking backwards)

1) Stick with Burns / Sibley / Crawley - they might not be getting mountains of runs, but they are the future and they need a chance to fail in order to gain the experience to succeed

2) It is time to relieve Root of the Captaincy  - parachute someone in for a year or try Stokes out, but do something for f*cks sake!

3) Pick your best keeper/batsman for Tests - it's Foakes, don't debate it, just get him in and give him a run

4) We need to bed in a spinner - I dont think Leach is a test spinner and I don't care about his tail-end runs, bed an out and out wicket-taker in now

5) I don't think Broad and Anderson have much more to give. I don't think they should both be in the same side at the same time, they don't hit the stumps enough and they don't take enough wickets - one or the other, no time for misty-eyed sentiment.

Gentlemen, we are currently going down the khazi - get the match-winners in, let them fail a few times, show a little faith and watch us rise again.

The tail is wagging the dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agree with Bruce on Burns, Sibley and Crawley. Give them a good run.
Pope- give him a good run at 6
Root to be removed as skipper.. however.. stokes? Why? He avg 36 and currently can’t really bowl (let’s be frank, his knee is chronic so he won’t bowl for much longer anyway).. does he really justify his spot as a pure test batter ?

Foakes .. definitely get him in but he won’t be a messiah.

Agree on broad and Anderson but who is there to replace them or any genuine quality ?

This as Bruce says is the issue for every spot really.. there just isn’t anything coming through that isn’t just another ‘meh’ player
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #327 on: December 29, 2019, 05:24:54 PM »

We need a culture change. We need to stop pandering to the undropables.

I am usually all in for consistency of selection. But this has been going on for far too long.

Root has to be sacked as skipper.
Sibley isn't up to it and will be binary against Sri Lanka.
Bairstow should be binned.
More controversially I am binning Broad and Anderson too.
The reality is that they are hurting the team. They aren't attacking the stumps and it is time to move on.

In Archer we have an extraordinary talent which we aren't using right.
Sam Curran may be medium paced but thrives on the pressure, they should be given the new ball.
Woakes or Overton can be the first change.
We need to work out if Stokes is able to bowl or if he is just a batter. If that is the case, fine we need a different all rounder.

We also need a keeper to run the team in the field. Balance the team properly.

I am also sacking Thorpe the batting coach. He has been responsible for the academy/lions and now England batting for a long time. Technically our batters are poor.
That needs to change.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #328 on: December 29, 2019, 05:34:36 PM »

We need a culture change. We need to stop pandering to the undropables.

I am usually all in for consistency of selection. But this has been going on for far too long.

Root has to be sacked as skipper.
Sibley isn't up to it and will be binary against Sri Lanka.
Bairstow should be binned.
More controversially I am binning Broad and Anderson too.
The reality is that they are hurting the team. They aren't attacking the stumps and it is time to move on.

In Archer we have an extraordinary talent which we aren't using right.
Sam Curran may be medium paced but thrives on the pressure, they should be given the new ball.
Woakes or Overton can be the first change.
We need to work out if Stokes is able to bowl or if he is just a batter. If that is the case, fine we need a different all rounder.

We also need a keeper to run the team in the field. Balance the team properly.

I am also sacking Thorpe the batting coach. He has been responsible for the academy/lions and now England batting for a long time. Technically our batters are poor.
That needs to change.

I’d also clesr the entire England coaching set up out as they are all tainted. However, where is our generation of greats like SA have just finally installed or some of the aussies etc

We could get sangakkara in maybe for a start ? Ponting ? Warne for the spinners.. Murili ?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #329 on: December 29, 2019, 05:42:38 PM »

Can we just bring back Andy Flower? He took no bs
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