Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 149126 times)

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #420 on:** January 02, 2020, 07:14:10 PM »

At this rate anyone with a British passport and currently in SA might get a game. Perhaps the chubby bloke from the barmy army who sings the songs could open.

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #421 on:** January 02, 2020, 07:20:59 PM »

From looking at the footage it seems like they were going pretty full on pace-wise so not surprised something like this his happened.

Kicking a football around and having a run about is a great way to get loose, but that looked overly competitive for a warm up.

It's a real shame as Rory's been playing well and seems to be fitting in to the opening slot nicely.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #422 on:** January 02, 2020, 07:24:34 PM »

Do we know who it was put the tackle in that ruined Rory's tour?

Edit - I've just seen it was Root. Strip him of the captaincy and ban football FFS

liscon12 · « **Reply #423 on:** January 02, 2020, 07:30:11 PM »

No sympathy what so ever from me, this England side is an absolute joke at the moment. They need some who can get them all by the scruff of the neck, put them into line, provide direction and have the conviction to what's right for the team.

Root is no leader and his batting has suffered, if the series is lost then he should go but sadly the excuse of illness will be rolled out and he will be left as captain.

Silverwoods impact appears to be nonexistent and just and ECB yes man who's there to bow to Roots wishes...5 seamers..wtf sort of plan is that?

Sorry for the rant but I just don't love this team, even after their historic 2019 moments.

ppccopener · « **Reply #424 on:** January 02, 2020, 07:42:33 PM »

Quote from: liscon12 on January 02, 2020, 07:30:11 PM

No sympathy what so ever from me, this England side is an absolute joke at the moment. They need some who can get them all by the scruff of the neck, put them into line, provide direction and have the conviction to what's right for the team.

Root is no leader and his batting has suffered, if the series is lost then he should go but sadly the excuse of illness will be rolled out and he will be left as captain.

Silverwoods impact appears to be nonexistent and just and ECB yes man who's there to bow to Roots wishes...5 seamers..wtf sort of plan is that?

Sorry for the rant but I just don't love this team, even after their historic 2019 moments.

Agree with some of your points, a lot of us are frustrated.

We will know more i fear tommorow because, as bad as its been if they dont select Crawley tommorow and bring back Bairstow we will know for sure that no one has any balls on the tour.

I actually dont care as long as crawley,sibley and pope play-we have to find out about them and i would write off the result ofcthis tour to find out

Buzz · « **Reply #425 on:** January 02, 2020, 07:50:15 PM »

Team for tomorrow...

Crawley
Sibley
Denly
ROOOOOOT
Stokes
Pope
Buttler
Curran
Bess
Broad
Anderson.

Honestly if it was me at this point I would tell Broad, Anderson and Bairstow to get on the plane home with Burns

There needs to be a radical shake up after this shambles.
Foakes not being there is ridiculous.
This constant pandering to the senior players is tiresome.

ppccopener · « **Reply #426 on:** January 02, 2020, 07:56:18 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on January 02, 2020, 07:50:15 PM

Team for tomorrow...

Crawley
Sibley
Denly
ROOOOOOT
Stokes
Pope
Buttler
Curran
Bess
Broad
Anderson.

Honestly if it was me at this point I would tell Broad, Anderson and Bairstow to get on the plane home with Burns

There needs to be a radical shake up after this shambles.
Foakes not being there is ridiculous.
This constant pandering to the senior players is tiresome.

Well said that man

rickjames · « **Reply #427 on:** January 02, 2020, 08:02:23 PM »

The way this whole tour has been managed is an absolute mess

horseman · « **Reply #428 on:** January 02, 2020, 08:21:37 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on January 02, 2020, 07:24:34 PM

Do we know who it was put the tackle in that ruined Rory's tour?

Edit - I've just seen it was Root. Strip him of the captaincy and ban football FFS

Pretty decent turn by Burns and Root did well to track him and take him away from goal. I imagine England to be talking more set piece zonal systems, less how to take a test 5 days.

Tailendfielder · « **Reply #429 on:** January 02, 2020, 08:27:45 PM »

Some ridiculous comments in here.

The selectors are deciding the team. I did a coaching session with one of the out going Englwnd coaches at edgbaston last month and he said they didnt make the decision to drop Foakes. So the selectors are to blame for the current squad and team not Silverwood.

I would agree Root isn�t Mike Brearley but its not like we have more than a couple of players likely to be playing come the first test if our next summer. Ive read it should be Stokes but given how well it went for Botham and Flintoff ..... potentially a bigger risk than Roots loss of form.

The amount of stick these boys are getting when it appears we are missing two fundamental issues, in the main, there isnt anyone better, weve proved that with our umptinth opener and number 3, that isnt their fault. We are also not giving any credit to the South Africans who from what Ive seen, bowled better than we did.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #430 on:** January 02, 2020, 08:29:22 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 02, 2020, 07:42:33 PM

Agree with some of your points, a lot of us are frustrated.

We will know more i fear tommorow because, as bad as its been if they dont select Crawley tommorow and bring back Bairstow we will know for sure that no one has any balls on the tour.

I actually dont care as long as crawley,sibley and pope play-we have to find out about them and i would write off the result ofcthis tour to find out

We should be giving those players not just this tour but NZ, SA and next summer too! It�s the only way and going back to players like Bairstow is just crap. The guy only had one good period and he�s changed his game and mentality and it�s destroyed him

Buzz · « **Reply #431 on:** January 02, 2020, 09:02:43 PM »

On the selectors point, that is interesting. Ed Smith has made Buttler totally undroppable. It is a absurd situation. As is playing 24 players in a 12 month period.

Assuming Bess tomorrow is playing can we name them all?

Sibley
Burns
Crawley
Root
Denly
Stokes
Bairstow
Pope
Foakes
Moeen
Bess
Broad
Anderson
Woakes
Archer
Wood
Stone
Leach
Curran
Vince
Roy
Jennings
Rashid

I am still a few short

Jimbo · « **Reply #432 on:** January 02, 2020, 09:04:36 PM »

Agree that Foakes should be in, comfortably the best keeper and his batting isn't any worse than Bairstow and Buttler have shown.

Would be good to see the likes of Northeast given a go, Burns has shown that consistent form at FC level can be translated to Test cricket, it just requires time and support.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #433 on:** January 02, 2020, 09:06:17 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on January 02, 2020, 07:50:15 PM

Team for tomorrow...

Crawley
Sibley
Denly
ROOOOOOT
Stokes
Pope
Buttler
Curran
Bess
Broad
Anderson.

Honestly if it was me at this point I would tell Broad, Anderson and Bairstow to get on the plane home with Burns

There needs to be a radical shake up after this shambles.
Foakes not being there is ridiculous.
This constant pandering to the senior players is tiresome.

I�d like to see Sibley and Crawley open tomorrow. Trouble is, as soon as we�re 2-2 Sky will be dissecting their techniques and concluding that neither are yet ready for test cricket.

The biggest problem is the selectors. Ed Smith is such a smug, know-it-all, I�m far intellectually superior than thou numpty that he actually believes he can invent the wheel. He doesn�t seem to realise that batters play their best when they bat in positions in which they are accustomed to batting in. As for James Taylor, I can�t see his role as anything other than telling Ed Smith what a wonderful genius of a man he is. No wonder Andrew Symonds pinned him up against a wall by the neck in his Kent days, and Bob Key wouldn�t piss on him if he was on fire.

WABH-J · « **Reply #434 on:** January 02, 2020, 09:09:37 PM »

Quote from: Tailendfielder on January 02, 2020, 08:27:45 PM

Some ridiculous comments in here.

The selectors are deciding the team. I did a coaching session with one of the out going Englwnd coaches at edgbaston last month and he said they didnt make the decision to drop Foakes. So the selectors are to blame for the current squad and team not Silverwood.

I would agree Root isn�t Mike Brearley but its not like we have more than a couple of players likely to be playing come the first test if our next summer. Ive read it should be Stokes but given how well it went for Botham and Flintoff ..... potentially a bigger risk than Roots loss of form.

The amount of stick these boys are getting when it appears we are missing two fundamental issues, in the main, there isnt anyone better, weve proved that with our umptinth opener and number 3, that isnt their fault. We are also not giving any credit to the South Africans who from what Ive seen, bowled better than we did.

Hmmm I�ve some questions about this.

The decision not to pick Foakes being nothing to do with Silverwood? I�m really not convinced the head coach can wash his hands of any team selection issue and blame it on the selectors. If that is the case it doesn�t say a lot about the moral fortitude and influence of the head coach and would call in to question exactly what his role is. I�m not saying that not picking Foakes isn�t legitimate but I am saying it�s a very screwed up system if the head coach isn�t the main man of influence in team selection.

Agreed that you shouldn�t strip someone of the captaincy unless there is a viable option but I also think the captaincy should be changed if you�re certain you will only get rank mediocrity from the incumbent.

I totally agree that some of the criticism the team gets is rash and un-called for but sport is by it�s very nature incredibly emotive. I for one was particularly irritated to see one of our better players injured playing football - again. Yes �it can happen anyway� but it seems to have happened enough times that it seems careless from the coaching staff. To play devil�s advocate against myself though - Eddie Jones is a big advocate of injury induced training and I very much trust his judgement so what do I know!

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