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Jeff Navarro

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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #225 on: June 17, 2020, 11:09:22 PM »
Is Bairstow a broken record? Talking about regaining the gloves in the test side again. After averaging 19 last year he’s lucky to be anyway near a test squad.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #226 on: June 18, 2020, 08:50:14 AM »
Quote from: Jeff Navarro on June 17, 2020, 11:09:22 PM
Is Bairstow a broken record? Talking about regaining the gloves in the test side again. After averaging 19 last year he’s lucky to be anyway near a test squad.

Where would he bay?

It would have to be as a replacement for buttler and I can see them doing that
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #227 on: June 18, 2020, 09:42:41 AM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on June 18, 2020, 08:50:14 AM
Where would he bay?

It would have to be as a replacement for buttler and I can see them doing that
If they opted to dump Buttler, then the logically option is Foakes. Bairstow is hyped up as some sort run machine, after 70 tests he averages 34. He’s not going to improve. Time to move on
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #228 on: June 18, 2020, 09:45:09 AM »
England are starting to see the value of picking Test specialist players. Sibley and Burns being the obvious examples. Bairstow has been phenomenal in white ball so let him focus on that. Foakes is a superior keeper and over 5 days that makes a difference.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #229 on: June 18, 2020, 09:51:26 AM »
I couldn't agree more but we've seen time and time again players like Johnny and mo always seem to get a recall over someone more suited
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #230 on: June 18, 2020, 10:22:03 AM »
Quote from: Jeff Navarro on June 18, 2020, 09:42:41 AM
If they opted to dump Buttler, then the logically option is Foakes. Bairstow is hyped up as some sort run machine, after 70 tests he averages 34. He’s not going to improve. Time to move on

Butler has a lower test average and Bairstow has batted higher. If it was a shoot out between the two to bat 7 and keep, in Test cricket, it's a close call for me. However Foakes is far and away the better keeper, so obviously wins that battle over them both. So if its s specialised keeper, it's Foakes everyday of the week. If they want a batsman/keeper it's not as straightforward for me.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #231 on: June 18, 2020, 11:10:25 AM »
Quote from: jonny77 on June 18, 2020, 10:22:03 AM
Butler has a lower test average and Bairstow has batted higher. If it was a shoot out between the two to bat 7 and keep, in Test cricket, it's a close call for me. However Foakes is far and away the better keeper, so obviously wins that battle over them both. So if its s specialised keeper, it's Foakes everyday of the week. If they want a batsman/keeper it's not as straightforward for me.
Bairstow averages 28 when he’s batted above 6/7 so clearly he’s not worthy of place as a batsman. And the management opted for Buttler, Buttler didn’t select himself
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #232 on: June 18, 2020, 11:22:20 AM »
Quote from: Jeff Navarro on June 18, 2020, 11:10:25 AM
Bairstow averages 28 when he’s batted above 6/7 so clearly he’s not worthy of place as a batsman. And the management opted for Buttler, Buttler didn’t select himself

Not sure what the relevance of "Buttler didn't select himself" is? He had a bit of a purple patch when he came back but has been poor in Tests for a while now. Foakes has never let England down and is by far the best keeper of the 3. Get a proper top 6 in place, Foakes at 7, Woakes at 8. All of a sudden England have a very nicely balanced side. Personally I'd go with:

Sibley
Burns
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #233 on: June 18, 2020, 11:49:15 AM »
I can't argue with Ali and Bairstow being part of a 30-man group.  When you take out the white-ball only players, you are.struggling for players of international standard when you are looking at that sort of number
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #234 on: June 18, 2020, 12:04:59 PM »
Quote from: Jeff Navarro on June 18, 2020, 11:10:25 AM
Bairstow averages 28 when he’s batted above 6/7 so clearly he’s not worthy of place as a batsman. And the management opted for Buttler, Buttler didn’t select himself

Not sure I get your point, as nobody selects themselves. I think you've reinforced my point though, Butler and Bairstow are pretty close. Neither are probably good enough at test level to bat in the top 6 with others knocking on the door now. But as a 7 and keeping, they're both an option imo.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #235 on: June 18, 2020, 02:01:21 PM »
Out of curiosity what average to be people expect from our test match wicketkeeper assuming he bats at 6/7?
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #236 on: June 18, 2020, 02:06:27 PM »
Quote from: fros23 on June 18, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
Out of curiosity what average to be people expect from our test match wicketkeeper assuming he bats at 6/7?

Around 70-80 I'd say judging by the comments that get thrown around here about how bad certain players like Ali and Baristow are  ;)

Would love to some of the keyboard warriors put their averages up against the pros just for comparison.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #237 on: June 18, 2020, 02:22:40 PM »
Quote from: fros23 on June 18, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
Out of curiosity what average to be people expect from our test match wicketkeeper assuming he bats at 6/7?

Averages of the current test keepers.

QdK 39.1
Paine 31.7
BJ Watling 38.5
Saha 30.2
Pant 38.8
Dowrich 30.1
Sarfraz 36.3
Rizwan 32.1

Interesting no one is over 40.
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #238 on: June 18, 2020, 02:37:53 PM »
Bairstow's average whilst being the designated keeper is 37.85 which is 12th among designated keepers with at least 1000 runs.

Other notable averages for comparison are:

De Kock 40.61
Watling 40.32
Prior 40.18
Dhoni 38.09
Rahim 37
Sarfraz 36.39
Stewart 34.92
Haddin 32.98
Paine 31.66
Boucher 30.33
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Re: Professional cricket delayed till at least 1st July
« Reply #239 on: June 18, 2020, 02:43:11 PM »
Quote from: jamesisapayne on June 18, 2020, 02:06:27 PM
Around 70-80 I'd say judging by the comments that get thrown around here about how bad certain players like Ali and Baristow are  ;)

Would love to some of the keyboard warriors put their averages up against the pros just for comparison.

I've not said Ali isn't good enough (Although I do think there Are much better options yes) and I don't think anyone else has either

The point is that there are better options not selected consistently for the likes of bairstow and mo and buttler, I think we would all agree a side with a top 7 of:

Burns, Sibley, Crawley, root, Stokes, poor, foakes then Bess, Archer, Anderson, broad

Would be beneficial but the "in crowd" always seem to be picked no matter how poor their form is
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