Topic: 2020 season (Read 41418 times)

Buzz · « **Reply #225 on:** September 22, 2020, 01:34:30 PM »

Quote from: SLA on September 22, 2020, 09:34:58 AM

Generally I agree.

Obviously different leagues vary, due to different formats or pitches, but on an average year if you take the total runs scored by total wickets in most leagues I think you'd have a ratio of between 20 and 25. So a front-line bowler would want an average of under 20, and a front line batsman an average of over 30.

Hence in that kind of league, a good (but not unusual) bowling average might be 15, and a good (but not unusual) batting average might be 40. If you can do both at once, good for you.

This is why looking at play cricket stats is interesting.
Good club players over a career average around 30+ with the bat if they are played at about the right level, with the occasional good season.

The bowling stats would then have to meet what SLA says above.

We try to compare what we play to first class stats and you aren't looking at the same thing.

Better to look at averages for list a cricket.
Yes you get some stand outs. But not many.

KettonJake · « **Reply #226 on:** September 22, 2020, 01:38:57 PM »

Play Cricket is only so useful.

In 2012 or 2013 I was in the top 30 wicket keepers in the entire country when it came to the number of dismissals.
I wouldn't put myself in the top 5 keepers in my own league at the time.

billyb · « **Reply #227 on:** September 23, 2020, 04:31:48 AM »

Quote from: KettonJake on September 22, 2020, 01:38:57 PM

Play Cricket is only so useful.

In 2012 or 2013 I was in the top 30 wicket keepers in the entire country when it came to the number of dismissals.
I wouldn't put myself in the top 5 keepers in my own league at the time.

That's an awesome stat though!

Kulli · « **Reply #228 on:** September 23, 2020, 06:54:25 AM »

Quote from: SLA on September 22, 2020, 09:55:35 AM

However it is nice to score some runs and I just posted them to try to bring a bit of positivity to what was a downbeat thread. However, it didn't work! People seem much more interested in bringing others down than in celebrating success.

I�ll bite!

I�m not sure just coming on and posting that your stats for the season are amazing really adds much positivity to the thread, however I appreciate that a bit of boasting is mostly what this threads full of. If the idea was positivity why not some tales of all these youngsters who have been allowed to thrive due to your unselfish hitting at the other end?

Was made me post was you adding that averaging 15 with the ball was mediocre, on top of of course averaging nearly 100. I�ve no idea if your level of ability, or what level you play. , however I would suggest that if you�re �getting on with it� to help youngsters and yet still averaging 91, then you probably should look to see if you�re playing below your level.

EDIT - my apologies. I see it was 12 not 15 with the ball

jonny77 · « **Reply #229 on:** September 23, 2020, 07:36:19 AM »

To get back on topic 😆 We lost our play off final on Saturday after putting in our worst performance of the season, which was hugely disappointing. Loads of positives tho as we'd lost a lot of players to our 1sts, which has allowed opportunities to assume youngsters who have really thrived. One is as good a talent as I've ever seen at his age (14) and could go all the way.

Personally a mediocre season with the bat but captained two games as stand in against good sides and won them both in close contests.

Main positive was getting some Scott bats out there, which I can hopefully push on with into next year if we're get a full season.

SLA · « **Reply #230 on:** September 23, 2020, 08:43:59 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on September 23, 2020, 06:54:25 AM

I�ll bite!

I�m not sure just coming on and posting that your stats for the season are amazing really adds much positivity to the thread, however I appreciate that a bit of boasting is mostly what this threads full of. If the idea was positivity why not some tales of all these youngsters who have been allowed to thrive due to your unselfish hitting at the other end?

Was made me post was you adding that averaging 15 with the ball was mediocre, on top of of course averaging nearly 100. I�ve no idea if your level of ability, or what level you play. , however I would suggest that if you�re �getting on with it� to help youngsters and yet still averaging 91, then you probably should look to see if you�re playing below your level.

EDIT - my apologies. I see it was 12 not 15 with the ball

There must be thousands of cricketers who finished with a better average than 91 this year, do you honestly think they're ALL playing at the wrong level? Maybe you should write to them all and berate them for having the temerity to have had an unusually good season.

Kulli · « **Reply #231 on:** September 23, 2020, 08:54:01 AM »

Quote from: SLA on September 23, 2020, 08:43:59 AM

There must be thousands of cricketers who finished with a better average than 91 this year, do you honestly think they're ALL playing at the wrong level? Maybe you should write to them all and berate them for having the temerity to have had an unusually good season.

Yeah, I reckon most cricketers averaging 91 and 12 are playing below their level. If any of them come to tell me about their stats I�ll most certainly tell them so.

Buzz · « **Reply #232 on:** September 23, 2020, 10:20:24 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on September 23, 2020, 08:54:01 AM

Yeah, I reckon most cricketers averaging 91 and 12 are playing below their level. If any of them come to tell me about their stats I�ll most certainly tell them so.

Some people choose to play below the level for a load of reasons, higher level games take longer, for one. Some like to be a big fish in a small pond. Others may just love their club and want to play with their mates, or may not like the politics of bigger clubs.
If comes down to the fact that we are amateurs and if we give up our time to play we want to enjoy ourselves.

If I had more time I would try and play a higher standard again for sure. But that isn't possible at the moment.

SLA · « **Reply #233 on:** September 23, 2020, 10:23:31 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on September 23, 2020, 08:54:01 AM

Yeah, I reckon most cricketers averaging 91 and 12 are playing below their level. If any of them come to tell me about their stats I�ll most certainly tell them so.

What, even just for one season? We're not talking career averages here.

Anyone can have a good season with a few not outs. Doesn't mean they're playing above their level at all.

FFS mate, just have the decency to celebrate other people's success without sneering for a minute.

Kulli · « **Reply #234 on:** September 23, 2020, 10:32:25 AM »

Given you were striking at SR190 and average scores were 120-130 in t20�s, yes, I�d suggest that is the case.

And yes. Unless the stats really don�t represent the reality I�d suggest anyone with any significant number of runs and wickets at those averages isn�t just on a hot streak.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #235 on:** September 23, 2020, 09:35:54 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on September 23, 2020, 06:54:25 AM

I�ll bite!

I�m not sure just coming on and posting that your stats for the season are amazing really adds much positivity to the thread, however I appreciate that a bit of boasting is mostly what this threads full of. If the idea was positivity why not some tales of all these youngsters who have been allowed to thrive due to your unselfish hitting at the other end?

Was made me post was you adding that averaging 15 with the ball was mediocre, on top of of course averaging nearly 100. I�ve no idea if your level of ability, or what level you play. , however I would suggest that if you�re �getting on with it� to help youngsters and yet still averaging 91, then you probably should look to see if you�re playing below your level.

EDIT - my apologies. I see it was 12 not 15 with the ball

There is nothing wrong with playing below your level.

It�s amateur cricket so it�s about fun.. where is the fun in struggling to avg 25 each week ?
Where is the fun in paying some old bloke �55 a week to fire you ?
Where is the fun in teams appealing irrespective if it slightly hits the pad just to �apply pressure � (again amateur cricket.. there is no f�ing pressure !)
Having some dude near you spouting obscene or jut down right load of crap in the name of �banter� BecUse they think it makes them more competitive ..

Or.. it�s just fun to spend a long while and cash and get a good bat week in week out as that�s kinda the point.. it�s a hobby after all. We are paying a lot to play and giving a lot of time up.

Tbh, it�s highly tempting to do the same and sack off the higher divs for those that want to think it�s pro stuff

Psi · « **Reply #236 on:** September 23, 2020, 09:49:40 PM »

I think it's fine for the player but is it OK for the other team? Their juniors get hit all around the park and up and coming batters get bowled out for not very much.

This happens a lot in our midweek league because some of the top teams locally don't have midweek teams. So their Saturday league players tend to join small village teams for midweek with predictable results... Personally I'm fine with it because I'm old enough and I get to face some top level bowling that I don't usually see at weekends. But I'm not sure it's great for juniors who are just trying to transition into our senior squads. They either learn the hard way and improve, which is great, or else they drop out and leave cricket altogether, which is bad...

six and out · « **Reply #237 on:** September 24, 2020, 07:11:10 AM »

I would go as far as saying 95% of teams have a player playing below their level.

There is always one if you think about it, always a gun in the oppo (and your own team), who you think, you could actually play better than this, or if your playing 2nds your wondering why their not playing 1sts whilst they're smashing you round the park.

SLA · « **Reply #238 on:** September 24, 2020, 07:53:02 AM »

Quote from: Psi on September 23, 2020, 09:49:40 PM

I think it's fine for the player but is it OK for the other team? Their juniors get hit all around the park and up and coming batters get bowled out for not very much.

This happens a lot in our midweek league because some of the top teams locally don't have midweek teams. So their Saturday league players tend to join small village teams for midweek with predictable results... Personally I'm fine with it because I'm old enough and I get to face some top level bowling that I don't usually see at weekends. But I'm not sure it's great for juniors who are just trying to transition into our senior squads. They either learn the hard way and improve, which is great, or else they drop out and leave cricket altogether, which is bad...

This is one reason why our midweek team don't play in the league but play bilaterals instead. By playing retire at 25/ 3 overs per bowler we are about cater for a wide variety of ability levels and make sure everyone gets a decent game and no games are dominated by a couple of ringers.

Tbh it's normal for players to want to play with their mates /for the club down the road. All this sanctimonious nonsense about how everyone must play at the highest level they can just ignores the realities of social cricket.

Kulli · « **Reply #239 on:** September 24, 2020, 08:36:55 AM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on September 23, 2020, 09:35:54 PM

There is nothing wrong with playing below your level.

It�s amateur cricket so it�s about fun.. where is the fun in struggling to avg 25 each week ?
Where is the fun in paying some old bloke �55 a week to fire you ?
Where is the fun in teams appealing irrespective if it slightly hits the pad just to �apply pressure � (again amateur cricket.. there is no f�ing pressure !)
Having some dude near you spouting obscene or jut down right load of crap in the name of �banter� BecUse they think it makes them more competitive ..

Or.. it�s just fun to spend a long while and cash and get a good bat week in week out as that�s kinda the point.. it�s a hobby after all. We are paying a lot to play and giving a lot of time up.

Tbh, it�s highly tempting to do the same and sack off the higher divs for those that want to think it�s pro stuff

I�ve no issue with it for the right reason, but obvious everyone can�t pay below their level!

For reasons out with my control I�ve played this summer at a lower level than normal. I�ve barely bowled (I�m primarily a bowler) as I found zero joy in just knocking people over, and I�ve only batted in the top 4-5 every other game as if I opened I�d likely bat through the 20 as often as not leaving little opportunity for teammates who are playing at a level suited to their ability. If we�re still corona effected next season then I�ll have to move club (at least for the season) as I�m not sure I could deal with another one the same.

I�m not saying everyone has to play at the very highest level they possibly can, but I find very little joy myself in success achieved against plays of lesser ability than myself, and don�t really understand those who do tbh.

If family/job/covid circumstances mean that�s what you have to do (and you still enjoy playing) then fair enough, but I don�t think doing it just to be a big noise is a great justification. Anyway this is a discussion for another thread.

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