Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123881 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #285 on:** July 13, 2020, 09:05:41 PM »

Quote from: billyb on July 13, 2020, 08:49:35 PM

Fair enough!

Do people think Lawrence has what it takes?
And where is Sam Hain?

Don't know is one answer (mine), he's a good young player but havnt seen enough of him, Sam Hain, again highly rated, The lad who just moved from Worcs to Notts who is forgotten his name, Ah Joe Clarke...quality player.

All good players, but I cannot remember a young player consistently maintaining an average of 60 in FC cricket, Pope has huge potential.

Not keen on just averages alone but sometimes they just hit you in the face.

But everyone's entitled to an opinion.

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #286 on:** July 13, 2020, 09:15:59 PM »

Quote from: billyb on July 13, 2020, 08:49:35 PM

Fair enough!

Do people think Lawrence has what it takes?
And where is Sam Hain?

Hold on.......am I allowed to give my opinion on this ?!?

I definitely think he�s worth a go as he�s scored big runs for Essex and the lions, however I think the only way he�d come in would be if Pope had a poor run of games. Essex have had him batting from 3-5 and I can�t really see him dislodging Crawley, root or stokes any time soon.

I think Sam Hain is in the ODI squad so hopefully he�ll get to done an England shirt this summer

Dazz · « **Reply #287 on:** July 13, 2020, 09:16:18 PM »

Pope is a serious talent! Will end up scoring thousands of runs for England.
Foakes should of been playing since his debut, far and away the best keeper and probably a better test batsman than both Bairstow and Buttler.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #288 on:** July 13, 2020, 09:35:28 PM »

I think personally Pope and Crawley are the two most talented players I the country at the moment in red ball cricket by some way.
Very different though in that Crawley has always opened and Pope is middle order. Crawley is also a lot more positive than at the moment the two in front of him but has shown he can open and stick it out so as much as I like Denly and want him to stay in the side I think Crawley has out played him so far and with Root coming back a top order of Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Root, Stokes is quite a good red ball top order and I think the younger less experienced players will get batter for what they are being bloodied for which is the away Ashes series in 18months time.

Jimbo · « **Reply #289 on:** July 13, 2020, 10:15:39 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on July 13, 2020, 09:35:28 PM

I think personally Pope and Crawley are the two most talented players I the country at the moment in red ball cricket by some way.
Very different though in that Crawley has always opened and Pope is middle order. Crawley is also a lot more positive than at the moment the two in front of him but has shown he can open and stick it out so as much as I like Denly and want him to stay in the side I think Crawley has out played him so far and with Root coming back a top order of Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Root, Stokes is quite a good red ball top order and I think the younger less experienced players will get batter for what they are being bloodied for which is the away Ashes series in 18months time.

Lawrence is another one I'd include in that group of talented young players coming through. Bracey is another one worth looking at.

potzy248 · « **Reply #290 on:** July 14, 2020, 01:44:10 AM »

Better to try the Archer Wood combo now rather than Ashes build up no?

I was very surprised Broad wasn't selected but they had their reasons. Definitely captains final call on the team, selectors pass on their opinions and probably pick the squad and then the coach and captain pick the 12.

Great that Broad is seeking clarity about his omission, it means he cares.

You have a young team who I'm sure learned plenty from that match.

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #291 on:** July 14, 2020, 07:31:39 AM »

Quote from: potzy248 on July 14, 2020, 01:44:10 AM

Better to try the Archer Wood combo now rather than Ashes build up no?

I was very surprised Broad wasn't selected but they had their reasons. Definitely captains final call on the team, selectors pass on their opinions and probably pick the squad and then the coach and captain pick the 12.

Great that Broad is seeking clarity about his omission, it means he cares.

You have a young team who I'm sure learned plenty from that match.

You'd have been right about selecting archer and wood together if it wasn't done when the conditions and pitch weren't clearly suited to Broad more so than the other 2.

Ed Smith said selection is on a pitch by pitch basis, if that's the case, I'd question again whether he knows what he is talking about then, as the pitch was never going to be quick and bouncy like Old Trafford will, and the ball generally reverses at Old Trafford. It seems odd to risk an injury in a test when you have England's 2nd leading wicket taker waiting in the wings.

edge · « **Reply #292 on:** July 14, 2020, 07:50:45 AM »

Was the pitch clearly more suited to Broad? He's never had a spectacular record on flat slow ones and it's not like Anderson had it doing too much. Think Smith was fobbing Broad off with that one, he's just arguably no longer in the strongest England side. In any case if they'd wanted to change tactics, pick a pitch it up seamer and bowl first, I'd have backed Woakes over Broad anyway. With the plan they had the flaw was not enough runs, Archer and Wood looked dangerous on day 5.

ppccopener · « **Reply #293 on:** July 14, 2020, 08:06:26 AM »

Yes but if it is a pitch by pitch basis as Smith has said we will need a spinner as it can turn at Old Trafford and it has been a quicker pitch there than pretty much anywhere
So the logic would be a quicker pitch needing our quickest bowlers

That�s Archer and Wood again for the next match and Broad and Woakes to miss out
Unless Broad comes in for Jimmy...so leaving out our best bowler-which makes no sense.

Follow the selection criteria of pitch by pitch both our two quickest play at Manchester?

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #294 on:** July 14, 2020, 09:10:44 AM »

I don�t see the pace obsession in home conditions, last summer Australia axed Starc as they said he was too wayward in English conditions.

Mark Wood has 24 wicket @ 45 in home conditions. Simply put he lacks the ability to bowl a proper line and length in English conditions. I see Wood as more a Fidel Edwards type bowler comes off one in a blue moon.

Archer, temperamental, but is considerably more skilled and talented than Wood. Even when we go to Australia, is Wood really going to do anything ? Average fast bowlers get hammered in Australia.

Woakes really should be in the playing XI in home conditions, his record is fantastic.

I�d go with Anderson/Broad, Archer and Woakes for Manchester.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #295 on:** July 14, 2020, 09:15:33 AM »

Wood at his best is unplayable and I don't think we have anyone else who can bowl 90mph as regularly, he's also very consistent he just had a bad game

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #296 on:** July 14, 2020, 09:25:52 AM »

Bowling consistently above 90mph doesn�t mean anything. Looks good on the speed gun. Look at the elite fast men - Cummins, Bumrah and Rabada. Accuracy and pace.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #297 on:** July 14, 2020, 09:55:22 AM »

yeah, i just said hes unplayable at his best and consistent but had a bad game the pace is a bonus, also cummins bumrah and rabada all touch 90 and are at worst high 80s (same as wood)

is it just me or are rumours starting to appear that Denly will keep his place? seems to be quite a lot about it on twitter

ppccopener · « **Reply #298 on:** July 14, 2020, 10:02:28 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on July 14, 2020, 09:55:22 AM

yeah, i just said hes unplayable at his best and consistent but had a bad game the pace is a bonus, also cummins bumrah and rabada all touch 90 and are at worst high 80s (same as wood)

is it just me or are rumours starting to appear that Denly will keep his place? seems to be quite a lot about it on twitter

Butler remains in according to the Guardian for another couple of games
Denly I like a lot but cannot see anyone else being dropped for Root.
The openers have to be given time plus Crawley as well

I think they will drop Denly for Root.

Jimbo · « **Reply #299 on:** July 14, 2020, 10:05:15 AM »

Wood has been much improved on fast tracks where his pace is really dangerous. Unless it's a quick or bouncy pitch I'm not convinced he should be an automatic pick.

Woakes is a superior bowler in English conditions and I would probably be looking at the likes of Ollie Robinson for when Jimmy and Broad retire and England need bowlers who can do the same job in England.

If Denly retains his place over Crawley then the whole "Archer and Wood are being selected to build for the future" line falls pretty flat. Denly was always a stopgap. He did okay, now there is a better option with potential to be a long term solution.

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