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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #855 on: August 07, 2020, 06:39:04 AM »

For a bloke that used to be non stop smiles Joe Root seems to look pretty miserable most of the time these days! I think this team has all the players to be a very very good side but something is yet to click and I think that’s Joe Root making runs as he used to in the middle order
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #856 on: August 07, 2020, 07:17:54 AM »

For a bloke that used to be non stop smiles Joe Root seems to look pretty miserable most of the time these days! I think this team has all the players to be a very very good side but something is yet to click and I think that’s Joe Root making runs as he used to in the middle order

Root will want to see his contribution go up, it's gone down a lot since he became captain, I'm not surprised he may not smile as much as he used to.
The team is coming together I think, Roots batting stats are becoming those of an average test player, and that has been the case for a while now, and may carry on unless an alternative is found.

He is one of the best batsmen we have had in England, but your test average does not lie over a long period.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #857 on: August 07, 2020, 07:29:54 AM »

Root will want to see his contribution go up, it's gone down a lot since he became captain, I'm not surprised he may not smile as much as he used to.
The team is coming together I think, Roots batting stats are becoming those of an average test player, and that has been the case for a while now, and may carry on unless an alternative is found.

He is one of the best batsmen we have had in England, but your test average does not lie over a long period.

My main concern with Root  - and I honestly hate to be that guy because I'm still a big fan of Root - is that I don't think he wears the captaincy well. It is no reflection on your talent as a cricketer but cricket captaincy just doesn't suit some people. The fact that he has completely changed his bearing shows that it's just not a natural fit. That said I wouldn't say there was an obvious replacement without going down the same road.
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« Reply #858 on: August 07, 2020, 08:09:34 AM »

Maybe Archers been found out a little his data sample is very small and he is simply reverting to his norm which is a average test bowler.

Still his sample set is still very early though around 40 odd test/first class games.

It's the norm to overestimate people who either have a great start or show flashes.

For me he a decent test player who can go either way.


As for Root if you break down his stats there is a pattern forming I know it all numbers but cricket more than most sports is numbers based.

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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #859 on: August 07, 2020, 08:22:28 AM »

My main concern with Root  - and I honestly hate to be that guy because I'm still a big fan of Root - is that I don't think he wears the captaincy well. It is no reflection on your talent as a cricketer but cricket captaincy just doesn't suit some people. The fact that he has completely changed his bearing shows that it's just not a natural fit. That said I wouldn't say there was an obvious replacement without going down the same road.

The fact of the matter is a lot of people now see Stokes as our best batter not Root, and I think that shows his decline, as much as Stokes improvement.

His captaincy making his batting decline is one thing, also is he any good as an actual captain?

I believe England have 3 options to replace Root -

Stokes - this is risky, putting more burden on him, and could go the same way as Root, but i thing he would make a better captain.
Broad - vast player experience, captained the T20 side for a while as well, but if they want to keep rotating the bowlers it isn't possible.
Burns - left field choice, but don't forget he captained Surrey for a long time (and won the CC), is he going to be a permanent fixture opening though?

My choice would be Burns, yes it is a bit left field but he has the most captaincy experience which is what is needed, I think it would also give backing to 1 of the opening spots, of which I think he can be 1 definitely.
For me Stokes is far far too risky and Broad shouldn't be captain as they are obviously looking to rotate the bowlers.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #860 on: August 07, 2020, 08:36:07 AM »

Roots not even out second best batter at the moment.

Regarding a potential replacement captain I think Burns is the standout candidate, as long as he doesn’t suffer a massive slump in form.
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #861 on: August 07, 2020, 08:50:10 AM »

Burns would be my shout if they replace Root. Broad might be a good vice captain but I'm always a bit dubious about bowling captains in Test cricket.
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #862 on: August 07, 2020, 09:32:16 AM »

Big day for Jos Buttler today. He looked a little deflated when keeping. Confidence is a funny thing though.Maybe all it will take is a big score for him to regain his confidence. For all the criticism, he does have the X-factor when in form. It will be tough going for sure if Yasir gets it right. The amount of turn he was getting yesterday was crazy. A few of those turners would have done Warne proud.
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #863 on: August 07, 2020, 09:58:20 AM »

I am not very confident about today
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #864 on: August 07, 2020, 11:07:21 AM »

Enjoying this bowling. Accurate, nagging.. testing .. pace, movement ..

Two batsmen fighting just to stay in..

Good stuff
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #865 on: August 07, 2020, 11:08:44 AM »

I’ve got to say I’m so impressed with Pakistan’s ethos and team ethic. Work super hard in the field, energy levels are up - bowlers really look like they’re giving it everything- I suppose it’s easy when you’re in a good position though!
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« Reply #866 on: August 07, 2020, 11:10:00 AM »

I’ve got to say I’m so impressed with Pakistan’s ethos and team ethic. Work super hard in the field, energy levels are up - bowlers really look like they’re giving it everything- I suppose it’s easy when you’re in a good position though!

Team spirit etc is always easy when going well .. the key is to see how team spirit is after a shed load of losses and bad form
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #867 on: August 07, 2020, 12:02:23 PM »

Team spirit etc is always easy when going well .. the key is to see how team spirit is after a shed load of losses and bad form

Yes, it would have been a very different story if Buttler would have caught/stumped Masood. That would have left Pak with a 200+ score and they would have been under the pump.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #868 on: August 07, 2020, 12:42:57 PM »

I was hoping to find Pope on a double-hundred when I woke up.  :(
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #869 on: August 07, 2020, 12:48:45 PM »

Sigh

There is no hope
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