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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1065 on: August 21, 2020, 03:48:58 PM »

The only player i can think of in recent times who was genuinely  broken by the experience of international cricket  is Simon Kerrigan.  Very happy to see that he has managed to make his way back into the first class game

Yes it's surprising and good he has another chance, a good bit of news
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1066 on: August 21, 2020, 03:51:17 PM »

Crazy to think Crawley’s hundred is the first by an English number 3 since Bairstow made merry against Sri Lanka in 2018. The first at home since 2016 when Root got 254 against this same opponent.

Jos getting bored of this singles and doubles pounds Yasir for 16 in an over
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« Reply #1067 on: August 21, 2020, 03:52:35 PM »

Not quite sure why Popey tried again to play Yasir off the back foot there

TBF its kinda classic spin bowling tactics. If they try to get forward, topspin, dip, turn and bounce so they can't get to it; if they try to go back, skid it through a bit straighter and quicker.

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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1068 on: August 21, 2020, 04:12:19 PM »

Can't think of many harder batting jobs than facing a new ball in England. Stoneman,Lyth,Robson,Roy all good players but there's a big jump from County to Test cricket. That's probably why so many have been tried since Cook and Strauss and were found not quite good enough.

If you play enough tests the bowlers work you out and find weaknesses whether they be metal or technical. It's very tough to score consistently over a decent period of time.

Denly maybe the latest batter to be good but short of big scores in the top order.

Roy ??? In red ball ??
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1069 on: August 21, 2020, 04:30:49 PM »

Roy had 5 test matches, with the others all as opener if I remember right. I'm not sure how many we have tried since Strauss retired-there's probably a few more to mention.

Granted not the best idea from the selectors but the point is many have been tried and very few make the grade to play 50 matches or so.

It's tough at the top and the amount of players we have tried just seems to back that up.

I (was)  :) an opener myself so have a lot of time for those picked for England, middle order is where in recent times you are more likely to score consistently-in this Country anyway
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1070 on: August 21, 2020, 05:13:45 PM »

I am not sure that giving a guy who has been successful at FC level an opportunity in test cricket where his technical issues have been exposed counts as breaking a player. 

Personally Burns looks to me to be a stop-gap whilst Crawley builds up experience. Burns has a technical fault that leaves him both vulnerable to being caught behind and being trapped lbw but he seems about the best option at the moment until Crawley steps up to open

Burns has had success though 2 hundreds and 8 fifties from 20 tests which is a score every other game...

He does look a bit out of sync ATM

He was also our second highest run scorer Vs west indies

He's had a bad series Vs Pakistan but let's not write him off yet!
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1071 on: August 21, 2020, 05:27:33 PM »

A 200 run partnership? Pinch me
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1072 on: August 21, 2020, 05:57:56 PM »

Whilst Burns looks awful right at the moment, I don't think we should be casting him aside immediately - his knock in the last test was in no-win circumstances for a start.  But really the bigger issue is, we know how hard being an England opener is with the Dukes ball and seaming conditions at home then the culture shock when we play away - a lot of people are not old enough to realise that the golden period when we had Trescothick, Vaughan, Strauss and Cook was a massive outlier in the period since 1970.

Since Lord Brockett retired, we've tried (aside from those who did make it in the middle order) Robson, Lyth, Stoneman, Carberry, Compton, Hales, Duckett, Hameed, Roy, Jennings and probably some I've forgotten.  Only Jennings has been given a second dig, which is odd.  But really, who amongst that number looked like they might be of the required class?  At best three - Carberry (but his age counted against him) and Lyth (who probably is test class but only as a number five) were hamstrung by playing Australia and Hameed by insisting on his father as a coach.

So Burns...may not average what we might like.  May have dubious facial hair.  But he has shown gumption, made test hundreds (plural) and seems a decent, level headed sort. 
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1073 on: August 21, 2020, 06:02:43 PM »

Burns is out of rhythm, and that’s bad when you’ve got so many moving parts. He’ll find it again, but whether he’s still in the England team at that point might be another matter.

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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1074 on: August 21, 2020, 06:18:45 PM »

The problem is when stokes can’t bowl the balance of the side shifts and Crawley has been the fall guy which after today I can’t see happening so looks like it maybe another change at the top of the order
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #1075 on: August 21, 2020, 07:18:00 PM »

I have to say, this was a good day! I'm delighted to be proved wrong by Jos, he batted brilliantly today, and looked a test batsman.

I'm also delighted for Crawley, first to be dropped behind Dom and Rory, and then responds with a 'Big Daddy' hundred - putting pressure on the other 2, and showing how it should be done.

Hurrah for healthy competition!!!!
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« Reply #1076 on: August 21, 2020, 07:42:03 PM »

Great day! This England side is starting to come together  :D
Buttler is in form too. Great summer so far!
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1077 on: August 21, 2020, 08:23:24 PM »

Those pointing out Burns getting turned round, and Sibley getting caught glancing off his hip(3 times out I think) are of course right.And I'm not going to say technique at any level is not important cos I'm a net badger too  :) but.....

There's players who can learn and adapt and I don't think it's so important regarding technique, there's been a few players with a lot of moving parts, Cook was one, who have done well and adapted to better bowling.
They both have tests hundreds and Sibley looks to have an impressive concentration level.

I also think the team is coming together and we should work with what we have and put technique to the side now and again.

TV of course like to analyze  non stop and that will never change with so many 'experts' employed.

Burns said on telly he will be judged on runs so he knows however his batting looks it's up to him to find a way to score.

Just my opinion but I think he has a strong mind and will improve the more games he plays.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1078 on: August 21, 2020, 11:24:14 PM »

That knock from Crawley was pretty special to watch, hits the ball very cleanly and bloody hard. Looking forward to even more day 2
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #1079 on: August 22, 2020, 12:28:05 AM »

Burns seems to be struggling a bit, but he’s batting in the hardest spot, in arguably the hardest country to do so in, so he’s due some slack. It’s also definitely easier to have a bad run (See Pope) and be forgive for it if you looks a bit more conventional.
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