Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 170086 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #1545 on:** March 05, 2021, 03:58:51 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 05, 2021, 03:23:15 PM

I'd have been totally against the idea in principle, but iit is worth noting that the seventh batsman scored a sizeable chunk of our runs. (Ironically, there were many forumites who were looking forward to seeing his bowling on this tour!)

Couldn't it be that the England team is actually somewhere between 'embarrassment of riches' brilliant and 'sack the lot of them' crap? And who they select (within reason) doesn't really change this a great deal?

Well it depends. If we do everything we can to win or draw(a good result) the series lots of things need to go our way.
Big players performing
Right selection
Luck with first use of the pitch
Luck with umpires decisions going our way
The Indians having a few off days over the series.

So we need all this to compete.

It's worth noting a few posts on here slating the England team, not you @Bats_Entertainment. The last tour of India was lost 0-4.

We had a chance in this match and it's gone now. What I'm saying is we are doing better than the last time we were here, you could argue India then we're better than they are now, but the current side just beat Australia away.

SurreySam · « **Reply #1546 on:** March 05, 2021, 06:22:13 PM »

Well done ~~the Hyena~~ Rishabh Pant, he changed momentum and has made the game harder now for England to get on top of. This is what Ben Stokes should've been doing during this test series.

I also think popular opinion is being too harsh on our spin bowlers. Yes they need more consistency, but that's never going to happen when there is this level of pressure put upon them, due to the batting unit not doing their job.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1547 on:** March 05, 2021, 06:38:38 PM »

Dom Bess was never anywhere near ready for Test cricket. (Sorry, Buzz!). I don't blame him - he's a decent wholehearted cricketer - I blame the system.

Kulli · « **Reply #1548 on:** March 05, 2021, 07:11:55 PM »

That innings certainly felt like what Buttler should be cable of but never quite seems to have delivered. Maybe he just lacks Pants reading of the game, or finds it hard to switch gears/modes in that way.

csnew · « **Reply #1549 on:** March 05, 2021, 07:15:10 PM »

You could argue Bess� luck finally ran out - Some of his wickets in Sri Lanka and in the first test were from poor deliveries. That lucks disappeared now and the selectors dropping him didn�t help his confidence

ppccopener · « **Reply #1550 on:** March 05, 2021, 07:24:06 PM »

Quote from: csnew on March 05, 2021, 07:15:10 PM

You could argue Bess� luck finally ran out - Some of his wickets in Sri Lanka and in the first test were from poor deliveries. That lucks disappeared now and the selectors dropping him didn�t help his confidence

Yes totally, he did get giveaway wickets in SL. He's also been handled badly.

gpun22 · « **Reply #1551 on:** March 05, 2021, 07:32:20 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 05, 2021, 03:23:15 PM

I'd have been totally against the idea in principle, but iit is worth noting that the seventh batsman scored a sizeable chunk of our runs. (Ironically, there were many forumites who were looking forward to seeing his bowling on this tour!)

Couldn't it be that the England team is actually somewhere between 'embarrassment of riches' brilliant and 'sack the lot of them' crap? And who they select (within reason) doesn't really change this a great deal?

The 7th batter did score a sizeable chunk but then when you have the opponent 146/6 down and grabbed him by the throat , u can't choke him to death cuz ur bowlers r gassed out and have nothing left in the tank. And this is the downside of going with only 3 specialist. Getting bundled out for 160ish and and bundling out your opponent for 200ish from 146/6 would have been a lot better than the opponent leading by almost 100 with still 3 wickets in hand.

This is where I feel someone like woakes should have added so much balance to the side. Did he voluntarily asked to leave or was he forced to leave due to rotation policy . If he was forced then where is the equivalent replacement of an allrounder? another all rounder in moeen ali sent home. where are the backups then.
understand this bio bubble stuff can be hard on players mentally. if someone have mental breakdown or fatigue due to this then in all honesty send him home. but if a player want to stay and theres no backups why send him. missing family, chidren back at home etc. can't be an excuse for a professional cricketer.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1552 on:** March 05, 2021, 07:32:40 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 05, 2021, 06:38:38 PM

Dom Bess was never anywhere near ready for Test cricket. (Sorry, Buzz!). I don't blame him - he's a decent wholehearted cricketer - I blame the system.

You've written many times the CC does not produce enough spinners and you're right.

Bess is 23, still younger than when Swann was considered too immature to be picked.

I'm not saying Bess will be as good as Swann but I for one hope we stick with him and under Patel finds a strong action and develops.

I don't know why he moved to Yorkshire,that seems restricted opportunities as well, he may of been better binning the Championship and playing in India,Sri Lanka or even Bangladesh.

If we do not work with these players we will never get anywhere. I'm struggling to think of a more badly handled situation than Bess and leaving him out breaking what rhythm he had,then back in as a 'better player' just for being dropped.

I can't think of one.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1553 on:** March 05, 2021, 07:46:09 PM »

Although I have said that Bess was picked for England too soon, I actually don't think that he should have been dropped knowing that Moeen Ali would be leaving

Does this make sense? Probably not!

Swann has admitted he wasn't mature enough when he was first picked. And he'd have bowled a hell of a lot more overs in county cricket.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1554 on:** March 05, 2021, 07:51:26 PM »

Quote from: gpun22 on March 05, 2021, 07:32:20 PM

The 7th batter did score a sizeable chunk but then when you have the opponent 146/6 down and grabbed him by the throat , u can't choke him to death cuz ur bowlers r gassed out and have nothing left in the tank. And this is the downside of going with only 3 specialist. Getting bundled out for 160ish and and bundling out your opponent for 200ish from 146/6 would have been a lot better than the opponent leading by almost 100 with still 3 wickets in hand.

Like I said, I don't really like seven batsmen. But, remember also, that eight of England's wickets fell to spin. So another seamer isn't necessarily what we are sadly lacking?

ppccopener · « **Reply #1555 on:** March 05, 2021, 08:04:14 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 05, 2021, 07:46:09 PM

Although I have said that Bess was picked for England too soon, I actually don't think that he should have been dropped knowing that Moeen Ali would be leaving

Does this make sense? Probably not!

Swann has admitted he wasn't mature enough when he was first picked. And he'd have bowled a hell of a lot more overs in county cricket.

Makes sense to me. If Ali had stayed on, pretty sure he would of been picked with Leach, and Bess as the 3rd spinner if we needed it.England left it far too late to ask Ali from newspaper reports, and he's entitled to take his rotation break-everyone else has.

Kulli · « **Reply #1556 on:** March 05, 2021, 08:08:47 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 05, 2021, 07:51:26 PM

Like I said, I don't really like seven batsmen. But, remember also, that eight of England's wickets fell to spin. So another seamer isn't necessarily what we are sadly lacking?

A gun second spinner would have been ideal, but we don't have that. An extra seamer would, if nothing else, have at least allowed Stokes and Anderson more of a breather, if nothing else. But it's easy to be wise post fact.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1557 on:** March 05, 2021, 08:19:36 PM »

I was playing devil's advocate a little. I'd have kept the balance of the side the same for both the last Test and this. 2 spinners, 2 seamers and Stokes.

It is easy to be wise after the event, but most of us went with this before the event. And it's not often I give people people on here credit for being better at selection than those who actually pick the side!

Kulli · « **Reply #1558 on:** March 05, 2021, 08:25:27 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 05, 2021, 08:19:36 PM

I was playing devil's advocate a little. I'd have kept the balance of the side the same for both the last Test and this. 2 spinners, 2 seamers and Stokes.

It is easy to be wise after the event, but most of us went with this before the event. And it's not often I give people people on here credir for being better at selection than rhose who actually pick the side!

I guess the counter argument here is that without Lawrence's knock we'd have been ever further in the brown stuff. The definitely haven't got selection right, but it's been tough all things considered, and I don't think anyone expected the 3rd test to be quite so spin dominated as it was, being under lights.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1559 on:** March 05, 2021, 08:31:08 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on March 05, 2021, 08:25:27 PM

I guess the counter argument here is that without Lawrence's knock we'd have been ever further in the brown stuff.

The point I initially made.

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