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Kez

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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #135 on: February 04, 2021, 06:57:30 PM »

Apparently the rights for the four tests come to around £7m. Seems like nothing, no? Curious to see how the bidding war for the Ashes goes, what with Amazon apparently being interested...

The Cricketer is claiming it was only £2 million!
Star originally want £20 million for the tour though, no surprise Sky said no thanks at that price. 
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« Reply #136 on: February 04, 2021, 06:59:51 PM »

It would be inappropriate for me to use knowledge gleaned in the context of personal relationships. Hence "it does, trust me".

Like I said, the comment was tongue-in-cheek. Which is to say there are not serious underlying issues in relation to lack of opportunity for working-class kids.

Right, so on the basis of no evidence you're willing to share we are to just accept that the England team are willfully disadvantaging one of their brightest prospects because he didn't go to the right school. Not to mention that Silverwood has a prior working relationship with Lawrence from their time at Essex.

The issue of opportunities in elite cricket for kids who don't go to the "right" schools or play for the "right" clubs is a wholly separate one and honestly I think we probably strongly agree on it from the sound of what you've said.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #137 on: February 04, 2021, 07:03:54 PM »

For the sake of fact, it has to be said Root did go to a fee paying school. But agree without evidence, why even bring up the point of class and selection

The evidence that there are issues related to class and selection could hardly be more glaring. People from working-class backgrounds rarely get picked.

For the third time I shall say the Lawrence/Pope shielding  comment was tongue-in-cheek. There maybe some truth in it but of course I can't provide evidence.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #138 on: February 04, 2021, 07:13:57 PM »

The evidence that there are issues related to class and selection could hardly more glaring. People from working-class backgrounds rarely get picked.

For the third time I shall say the Lawrence/Pope shielding  comment was tongue-in-cheek. There maybe some truth in it but of course I can't provide evidence.

I agree there is a class issue in professional cricket, but disagree with class impacting the selection of the starting 11.

On another note. I think get Pope back in wherever he fits, he will adapt to whatever position in the order he is put I'm sure.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #139 on: February 04, 2021, 07:14:12 PM »

The "it does, trust me" bit was a response to the person who tried to discredit the argument by suggesting that Lawrence also went to a nice school. It didn't mean I 100% thought Pope was getting preferential treatment. Maybe this was misunderstood?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #140 on: February 04, 2021, 07:21:21 PM »

Back to the topic of Cricket.

Virat Koli press conference video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQEO4EgFJQs

He mentions that the wicket looks to be quite a normal one.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #141 on: February 04, 2021, 07:23:07 PM »

'Cos we weren't talking about cricket. :o
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #142 on: February 04, 2021, 07:32:45 PM »

The "it does, trust me" bit was a response to the person who tried to discredit the argument by suggesting that Lawrence also went to a nice school. It didn't mean I 100% thought Pope was getting preferential treatment. Maybe this was misunderstood?

Perhaps it was, but your views are just your opinion and nothing more, entitled to express them as much as anyone else.

If you believe there a shut door ahead just because you do not attend the right school that's exactly what will be there...a shut door.

Two of my team mates at school had County trails for Middlesex, neither made it because lots of other kids at that age were better, nothing to do with the fact our school was not the right one.

One of my clubs youngsters is now  a professional cricketer, it took him 5 different Counties before he became a regular but he comes from the same (No Swearing Please) end of London as I do, his school made no difference.
There's nothing stopping him playing for England should he be considered good enough.

In my opinion there is absolutely no reason for the England batting order other than who fits best where and Root wanting to stick at 4.

Class issues however do exist in all walks of life, but nothing to do with who bats where in the England side,your looking for something that is not there.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #143 on: February 04, 2021, 07:57:34 PM »

So none of these people would have been better cricketers if they had had better facilities as they were developing?

The cricketer who has 'made it' has surely done so despite disadvantage?  His success is not evidence that inequality doesn't exist.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #144 on: February 04, 2021, 08:12:59 PM »

Good lord... going places this thread..

For me:

1. Burns
2. Sibley
3. Lawrence (Ali if we want a more proven spin bowling option, although Lawrence can throw his arm over quite well I believe too)
4. Root
5. Stokes
6. Pope
7. Buttler
8. Bess
9. Archer (first name on for me)
10. Leach
11. Broad
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #145 on: February 04, 2021, 08:17:23 PM »

He says, putting Lawrence at 3!
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #146 on: February 04, 2021, 08:31:59 PM »

And while we're on the subject of working-class boy done good Dan Lawrence, has the fact that he was used for just 2 out of well over 200 overs of spin in Sri Lanka not persuaded anyone that he's not seen as much of a bowling option?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #147 on: February 04, 2021, 08:35:06 PM »

Good lord... going places this thread..

For me:

1. Burns
2. Sibley
3. Lawrence (Ali if we want a more proven spin bowling option, although Lawrence can throw his arm over quite well I believe too)
4. Root
5. Stokes
6. Pope
7. Buttler
8. Bess
9. Archer (first name on for me)
10. Leach
11. Broad

I agree this is the 11 for me. Wouldn't want to go too spin heavy if the groundsman is to be believed
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #148 on: February 04, 2021, 09:04:07 PM »

He says, putting Lawrence at 3!

Yes, he has to go somewhere as I liked the way he played in the first test in Sri Lanka so would prefer him in the side rather than out of it.

I prefer Pope’s batting average and style he has played in previous matches  at 6 compared to him higher up the order.

I wouldn’t move Root as his career quite obviously shows his favoured position is 4 and we’ll need him at his run scoring best in this series.

Stokes at 3? Potentially, although I prefer how the batting line up looks with him at 5 particularly after some time off and him bowling too.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #149 on: February 04, 2021, 09:15:08 PM »

For the sake of fact, it has to be said Root did go to a fee paying school. But agree without evidence, why even bring up the point of class and selection

Root attended King Ecgberts college in Sheffield. That is an academy and not a fee paying school. But I agree with your point.
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