Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 195337 times)

alba caerulea · « **Reply #180 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:13:34 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 05, 2021, 07:07:56 AM

You didn't just say watertight though, you said simple and watertight. Labuschagne's is definitely not simple and yet as you point out he's been very successful batting at 3.

And you said he doesn't have the technique you want for a number 3 and is a square peg in a round hole at 3, is that not writing him off as a number 3 option for England?

Are you telling me that England came to India with the plan that Dan Lawrence would bat at 3?

Of course they didn't. Hes been thrown in due to injury. You are familiar with the phrase square peg round hole? If I wished to write him off I would simply say so, I have no problem speaking plainly

In fact if you check back I have him at 3 in my team.

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #181 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:14:35 AM »

How doesn�t Lawrence�s technique work for him? His numbers in FC cricket proves he can score runs with his technique, test cricket is a totally different ball game to first class, the lad needs to be given a chance, the conditions certainly aren�t the most batsman friendly

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #182 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:14:43 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 05, 2021, 06:36:15 AM

To be fair, that's a pretty difficult ball to get 5 balls into your innings.

100% not want you want 5 balls into an innings. My view on Lawrence is just a gut feeling that at the moment he looks very vulnerable, especially early in his innings and then Cook said the same on the lunch break. He is more of a 5/6 for Essex more often so is another in this very very strong middle order area.

Jimbo · « **Reply #183 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:16:20 AM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 05, 2021, 07:09:56 AM

Maybe I should remove the word 'simple' from my first comment to avoid confusion.

By watertight I mean a consistent, clear approach that works for him. Lawrence has looked vulnerable in a few different areas so far, this indicates to me an inconsistent technique, or a flustered mind.

Not many players in history have had the Ian Bell, high front elbow, play in the V etc. Are we saying that all other batsmen have a bad technique? Come on

I think this is where we're confusing the discussion. Complicated techniques are not necessarily bad techniques, Burns scored 1000+ FC runs for 5 years in a row with a very complicated technique.

I'm not so sure that Lawrence has a particularly complicated technique, at least not since he got rid of his big trigger movement. I would agree with you though that he's looked a bit mentally unclear on his game plan in his test career so far, with the obvious caveat that it's a very small sample size. Bear in mind that he's faced less than 250 balls and does already have a 50 to his name in pretty difficult conditions.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #184 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:18:26 AM »

Quote from: Jlscarroll17 on February 05, 2021, 07:14:35 AM

How doesn�t Lawrence�s technique work for him? His numbers in FC cricket proves he can score runs with his technique, test cricket is a totally different ball game to first class, the lad needs to be given a chance, the conditions certainly aren�t the most batsman friendly

I have no problem atall with him being given a chance. I want anyone who plays for England to do well.

Im just not convinced from what Ive seen ao far that in 5 years time we'll be talking about Dan Lawrence Englands number 3. I hope Im wrong!

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #185 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:19:48 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 05, 2021, 07:16:20 AM

I think this is where we're confusing the discussion. Complicated techniques are not necessarily bad techniques, Burns scored 1000+ FC runs for 5 years in a row with a very complicated technique.

I'm not so sure that Lawrence has a particularly complicated technique, at least not since he got rid of his big trigger movement. I would agree with you though that he's looked a bit mentally unclear on his game plan in his test career so far, with the obvious caveat that it's a very small sample size. Bear in mind that he's faced less than 250 balls and does already have a 50 to his name in pretty difficult conditions.

Totally agree, no one picks sibley or burns apart when they fail, so why is Lawrence any different? Yes he�s had a few low scores but it�s far too soon to write him off, if I can remember Pope had a run of low scores but look at the lad now, it all comes with game time in the test arena

billyb · « **Reply #186 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:20:01 AM »

Sibley would benefit a little from learning from Root how to rotate the strike a bit more. He puts himself under a lot of pressure at times. He is playing well though!

alba caerulea · « **Reply #187 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:21:59 AM »

Quote from: Jlscarroll17 on February 05, 2021, 07:19:48 AM

Totally agree, no one picks sibley or burns apart when they fail, so why is Lawrence any different? Yes he�s had a few low scores but it�s far too soon to write him off, if I can remember Pope had a run of low scores but look at the lad now, it all comes with game time in the test arena

Both have been talked about extensively on the forum before, maybe not in this thread

Jimbo · « **Reply #188 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:27:10 AM »

Quote from: billyb on February 05, 2021, 07:20:01 AM

Sibley would benefit a little from learning from Root how to rotate the strike a bit more. He puts himself under a lot of pressure at times. He is playing well though!

He's definitely got the right approach to improving his game to learn from someone like Root. Has looked miles better against spin today and you can't fault his mental approach to batting time as a test opener.

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #189 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:28:36 AM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 05, 2021, 07:21:59 AM

Both have been talked about extensively on the forum before, maybe not in this thread

Yes they most definitely have, but they�ve learnt how to adapt to test cricket over time, Lawrence is 3 tests into his test career, let�s see what his stats are like after 10/20 tests in a mixture of conditions and not just sub continent

alba caerulea · « **Reply #190 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:31:08 AM »

Quote from: Jlscarroll17 on February 05, 2021, 07:28:36 AM

Yes they most definitely have, but they�ve learnt how to adapt to test cricket over time, Lawrence is 3 tests into his test career, let�s see what his stats are like after 10/20 tests in a mixture of conditions and not just sub continent

With Bairstow and Crawley back in the frame after the 2nd Test I would say hes only got these first two to make an impression for the foreseeable

Jimbo · « **Reply #191 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:35:15 AM »

Quote from: Jlscarroll17 on February 05, 2021, 07:28:36 AM

Yes they most definitely have, but they�ve learnt how to adapt to test cricket over time, Lawrence is 3 tests into his test career, let�s see what his stats are like after 10/20 tests in a mixture of conditions and not just sub continent

Spot on. Given I mentioned Labuschagne earlier, worth noting that he averaged (if my maths is right) 23.8 with no fifties after his first five test innings. Lawrence averages 24.75 with one fifty.

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #192 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:37:16 AM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 05, 2021, 07:31:08 AM

With Bairstow and Crawley back in the frame after the 2nd Test I would say hes only got these first two to make an impression for the foreseeable

I agree, maybe he has only got these two games to prove a point, but he can�t be wrote off and have questions asked about his technique/game plan after 4/5 tests, he�s still finding his feet at this level and in very testing conditions. Maybe it is too much too soon for him but let�s at least give him a chance because the selectors obviously see him in future plans going forward

alba caerulea · « **Reply #193 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:46:43 AM »

Quote from: Jlscarroll17 on February 05, 2021, 07:37:16 AM

I agree, maybe he has only got these two games to prove a point, but he can�t be wrote off and have questions asked about his technique/game plan after 4/5 tests, he�s still finding his feet at this level and in very testing conditions. Maybe it is too much too soon for him but let�s at least give him a chance because the selectors obviously see him in future plans going forward

Again, I haven't written anyone off. I repeat - I want him to succeed.

But I can question whatever I choose to regarding his batting. There are much more pointless subjects spoken about when it comes to England cricketers

There was an arguement over who went to school where yesterday

alba caerulea · « **Reply #194 on:** February 05, 2021, 07:48:07 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 05, 2021, 07:35:15 AM

Spot on. Given I mentioned Labuschagne earlier, worth noting that he averaged (if my maths is right) 23.8 with no fifties after his first five test innings. Lawrence averages 24.75 with one fifty.

So he has about 12 more innings to get that average up to 60?

Probably not a good comparison to make

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