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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1365 on: March 01, 2021, 05:46:57 PM »

Ha ha...so when England batsmen fail it is about setting the wrong expectations where as when Indian batsmen fail in English conditions they are classed as flat track bullies!

It's definatley hard for the Indian batsmen to adjust to the conditions. But these green seamers the Indian players keep quoting in the press are misleading.

You don't actually get so many of those these days, it's more the overhead conditions that makes it alien to them, when the ball swings. Overheads no one can do much about and we have seen some real quality Pakistani bowlers using our conditions are causing havoc with swing conventional and reverse.

The Indian spinners will be nullified on our pitches but with the current pace attack India have over here should be a much closer contest.

The youngish England batsmen really do have their work cut out scoring runs against 2 very good...one world class...spinners on the wickets we have seen in the last 2 games.

Kholi has already scored plenty of runs in England and I think Rahane and Pujara will join him for the series here, maybe Gill as well.
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« Reply #1366 on: March 01, 2021, 05:55:33 PM »

Ha ha...so when England batsmen fail it is about setting the wrong expectations where as when Indian batsmen fail in English conditions they are classed as flat track bullies!

Where did I say that?

I think the Indian batsmen mentioned batted superbly at times in difficult conditions.

The point I was trying to make is that some of the players mentioned would find a raging green seamer with swing as alien as some young English players find spinning pitches. No-where is it inferred that Indian batsmen are judged differently to ours.

This reaction to perceived slights of sub-continental players is really rather tedious!
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« Reply #1367 on: March 01, 2021, 07:05:20 PM »

Ha ha...so when England batsmen fail it is about setting the wrong expectations where as when Indian batsmen fail in English conditions they are classed as flat track bullies!

This is not at all what @FattusCattus was saying. Think you misunderstood his point.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1368 on: March 01, 2021, 08:32:02 PM »

Patel says Bess is back in the frame and was 'very disappointed' to have missed the third test.

I bet he was.

Back on track now for 2 spinners
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1369 on: March 01, 2021, 08:35:49 PM »

All this ‘we never grumble’ about conditions in the U.K/ same for both teams chat.

https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/cricket/48820832

Here’s Virat moaning about the boundary sizes 😁
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1370 on: March 02, 2021, 06:38:21 AM »

Ha ha...so when England batsmen fail it is about setting the wrong expectations where as when Indian batsmen fail in English conditions they are classed as flat track bullies!
Schrodinger's batsman? Simultaneously a flat track bully and ordering unacceptably poor pitches?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1371 on: March 02, 2021, 02:14:21 PM »

All this ‘we never grumble’ about conditions in the U.K/ same for both teams chat.

https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/cricket/48820832

Here’s Virat moaning about the boundary sizes 😁

I didn't know there was a min-max rule to ODI games.

65 yards is nothing. Kohli is right!
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1372 on: March 02, 2021, 02:32:40 PM »

All this ‘we never grumble’ about conditions in the U.K/ same for both teams chat.

https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/amp/cricket/48820832

Here’s Virat moaning about the boundary sizes 😁

the boundary size is the same for the whole game though, it doesnt start bad and get much worse in less than 2 days
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1373 on: March 02, 2021, 02:53:44 PM »

I didn't know there was a min-max rule to ODI games.

65 yards is nothing. Kohli is right!
I’d be inclined to agree it’s not ideal, but my point was more towards all the holier than thou Indian fans who’s have been saying that they put up with playing on cow fields in England and never complain. 😁
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« Reply #1374 on: March 02, 2021, 03:16:48 PM »

Kohli doesn't complain when he bashing it to all parts on postage stamp grounds in the IPL?
And its magic how those pitches are ROADS too.

I'm all for a pitch turning and spin playing its part but I don't get how you could score runs consistently on that pitch.
The only two batters to pass 50 scored most of their runs against the seamers early.


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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1375 on: March 02, 2021, 03:56:53 PM »

I’d be inclined to agree it’s not ideal, but my point was more towards all the holier than thou Indian fans who’s have been saying that they put up with playing on cow fields in England and never complain. 😁

I understand why you wrote it.  :D

A number ("65 yards" for example) is exact and measurable; in my book, a complaint against a measured, but tiny boundary length, is a credible argument. A deteriorating pitch where one side struggled and other didn't is a bit of an "opinion". That 2-day Test match pitch was horrible but there is no way to measure anything regarding its quality other than the expedited outcome.

If you are looking for solutions, here is my proposal: a drop in pitch match whose characteristics (metrics) are picked by the hosting team; toss is reversed and a new (same characteristic) pitch is dropped for the second innings. That will make the Test match fair for both sides.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1376 on: March 02, 2021, 04:46:53 PM »

You don't actually get so many of those these days, it's more the overhead conditions that makes it alien to them, when the ball swings. Overheads no one can do much about ...

I don't think this is true. If that is the case, how is Eng able to prepare all those roads for ODIs.. Overhead can only do so much but still need the right pitch to make it to a seamer friendly or a road.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1377 on: March 02, 2021, 04:58:35 PM »

I don't think this is true. If that is the case, how is Eng able to prepare all those roads for ODIs.. Overhead can only do so much but still need the right pitch to make it to a seamer friendly or a road.
ODI cricket not seamer friendly in the UK?! It's not a coincidence that David Willey and Chris Woakes are opening powerplay phenomenons.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1378 on: March 02, 2021, 05:30:04 PM »

ODI cricket not seamer friendly in the UK?! It's not a coincidence that David Willey and Chris Woakes are opening powerplay phenomenons.

World record and previous world record ODI totals both at seamers paradise Trent Bridge....
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1379 on: March 02, 2021, 06:21:46 PM »

World record and previous world record ODI totals both at seamers paradise Trent Bridge....

Both on very dry, sunny days with not much swing on offer IIRC?
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