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Re: England v India series
« Reply #105 on: August 07, 2021, 01:15:12 PM »

Great shot from Sibley…

Time for a change at the top.
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« Reply #106 on: August 07, 2021, 01:20:54 PM »

It’s not enough runs from him by a long way but I reckon England will keep Bairstow in and make the change at number 3.
Crawley def has the game but the scores just don’t lie.

Hameed could bat 3 if Sibley remains.
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« Reply #107 on: August 07, 2021, 01:56:07 PM »

At least Crawley looks like he has the technique to score runs at a rate of more than 1 every 10 balls. If you could guarantee that Sibley could bat all day and score 100 that would be fine, but he either gets out cheaply, or bats for 100+ balls for barely double figures. Either way he puts too much pressure on those around him to score the runs. Time to put him out to pasture.
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« Reply #108 on: August 07, 2021, 02:06:31 PM »

I do wonder if part of Crawley's current issue is related to batting behind Sibley and Burns.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #109 on: August 07, 2021, 02:07:12 PM »

Siraj is a bit of a bellend
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« Reply #110 on: August 07, 2021, 02:32:48 PM »

At least Crawley looks like he has the technique to score runs at a rate of more than 1 every 10 balls. If you could guarantee that Sibley could bat all day and score 100 that would be fine, but he either gets out cheaply, or bats for 100+ balls for barely double figures. Either way he puts too much pressure on those around him to score the runs. Time to put him out to pasture.

Agree with your view, Crawley does look like he has the shots and is proactive putting the bad ball away. His scores over the last year 18 months just don't warrant selection, but neither does Sibley or Lawrence or Pope. They are have talent.

It's a tricky call I think about this slow scoring.Totally get what other think, listening to Vic Marks on commentary it's clear he thinks Sibley does a job for the team most others can't do..so there's another way of looking at it.

Whether it is what the team needs is the difficult issue, Sibley is very limited off the hip or off the legs,not much else.

I guess it depends whether you think there is a role in a five day day for a bit of 'occupying the crease' and wearing out the bowlers.

Root and Bairstow have pushed  us on in this game, Burns and Sibley got us to some sort of start, how much is that worth.

But I totally get the opposite viewpoint. I don't think England will drop Sibley myself now, but he is limited in options to score,very limited.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #111 on: August 07, 2021, 03:20:03 PM »

Buttler with a gift, sigh. Lost count of the times he's left like that and got out
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #112 on: August 07, 2021, 03:50:04 PM »

That’s one of Roots best hundreds. He is on a different level than anyone else in the team.
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« Reply #113 on: August 07, 2021, 03:51:36 PM »

Nothing wrong with this pitch and isn't hooping like it was on day one. We've had a few guys get starts which is really frustrating! We might get rescued by the rain if we're lucky.
Root just masterful.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #114 on: August 07, 2021, 04:47:12 PM »

So, err, can we defend this?
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #115 on: August 07, 2021, 04:58:52 PM »

Need one tonight. Trent Bridge is rocking. Could do with one of Broads hot spells
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« Reply #116 on: August 07, 2021, 05:01:17 PM »

Broad has his lucky bandana back on so we could be on here!
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« Reply #117 on: August 07, 2021, 06:49:08 PM »

The problem for England in making a change at the top of the order is that it isn't a case of having one guy at the top of the order who of struggling but all of the top three.  Crawley is the one I think it capable of having a successful career at this level and it may be that he is given a break before a other go in the side.  With Sibley it is more a case of whether you think what he does is useful to the side.  He doesn't look to have the game to make regular big scores at this level but he can bat time.  Burns is the one who may not get another chance given his age and already having had 26 tests to show what he can do.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #118 on: August 07, 2021, 07:11:12 PM »

I don't know the stats but Burns seems to get the most runs, most consistently. He is doing enough not to get dropped but not enough big scores.

He seems the one most likely to get a score. I don't think Sibley will get dropped by number 3 they will change I reckon.
Hameed in, they will keep Bairstow and then it's a toss up on long term potential of Pope or Lawrence.
Lawrence hasn't had the amount of innings the others have.

Worth appreciating Root for a min, he's up there with Gooch and KP and maybe Cook as the best player of the last 20-30 years.

I think I would put him as the best of the lot in one day and tests. He is just outstanding batting under the pressure of not much coming from anyone else.

Some of the players like Trott and KP and Bell also usually came in after a score from the openers.Root hasn't had that for a good 3 years now.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #119 on: August 07, 2021, 10:46:59 PM »

I think Eng has enough to win this game. If rain causes patches of play tomorrow, then it will start swinging heavily again and one session is all Ind needs to fold up against Anderson and co. Only chance Ind have is if it remains bright and sunny all day and forecast clearly isn't showing that.

From cricinfo: "Until this Test the highest target India had chased down in England was 173, which came 50 years ago in the Oval Test. The 208 target achieved by West Indies in 1980 remains the highest by a visiting team at Trent Bridge. England were aiming for something well in excess of 200."
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