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Re: England v India series
« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2021, 06:57:38 PM »

How much time can we give our top 3 before starting to ask questions about their places within the team?

I'm all for giving people a chance, but we're in dire straits for some reliability in the top order.  Currently, we are always on the back foot from the get-go and I think its time...time to stream and develop red/white ball players separately.
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« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2021, 07:31:19 PM »

Whoever they pick in test cricket, well,they don't seem to be very good. This is beginning to feel like the 90's era all over again. Even then though,guys like Ramprakash and Hick who didn't live up to expectations in the test arena,they were scoring big big first class runs and averaging 50 plus.
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« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2021, 07:48:26 PM »

If you're excluding Root,Stokes and Burns to some extent, I'm afraid IMO the best available 'new' batsmen we have probably are in and around the team. Maybe we just have to accept it.

In this current side I wouldn't have Bairstow, he batted ok today to be fair, but he's had loads of chances. I'd play Foakes as a keeper and probably Butler as a batsman.

Apart from that
Hameed(could of played in this game)
Sibley
Crawley
Pope
Lawrence.

They are the best we have in red ball cricket to pick from. Sibley is on thin ice, he can bat time but without really hurting the opposition.

We have loads of discussions on here about the team(all good) but is it time to say these are actually the best we have?

No one wants to hear it and as a fan I hate seeing us collapse, but we may have to swallow it.

There are three or four short forms of the game, only one Championship, we don't like it but that's how it's going.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2021, 07:54:55 PM »

Watching Sibley today was painful. Nearly as painful as our one-dimensional bowling attack.
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« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2021, 07:58:16 PM »

Really Chris?  It's not baffling at all when you look at the counties and England pathways and if we stick to the players in and around the red ball squads over the last 5 years... Just look at the batsmen they have picked and continue to favour (Bairstow/Buttler/Curran (although, tbf to Bairstow he kinda did ok ish today and Curran seems to be the man to use against india it seems))..

Jonny would have a nosebleed at that praise.

But actually, you were right the first time - not as much about whether he is good enough, which is only tangential to the issue, but around why him?

To the point he lost the gloves, largely inexplicably, to Buttler, he was doing OK. He'd had a great patch, and a rocky one but overall his figures for a keeper batsman were decent.

By all accounts, he was invited to go away and return as a batsman, which implies that Jos is deemed a nailed on cert more or less forever. Since then, he's been 3, 5, 6, possible opener, back to three etc, all the while in and out of the side. And he has never been asked or pushed to play any red ball cricket - he came here as many did on the back of lots of hit and giggle when pragmatism says England would have been better with him playing two or three FC games and blooding someone else in those largely meaningless ODIs.

But no. So it goes on with England knowing arguably less than before about a guy who has now played 75 tests. I despair both ways at the selection policy, really I do.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2021, 08:32:31 PM »

I have just watched the highlights and I can't believe more hasn't been said about the toss, I think it was an awful decision to bat first, we have ridiculously flaky top order who haven't played any red ball cricket, that pitch has green all over it, the ball was still moving around all day and we aren't playing a spinner so it's not like we can make use of a wearing pitch.

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Re: England v India series
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2021, 09:12:19 AM »

From BBC website:

England have had little preparation for this five-Test series. Five members of their top eight - captain Joe Root, Jonny Bairstow, Lawrence, Jos Buttler and Sam Curran - had not played any first-class cricket since at least the New Zealand defeat in June, while Zak Crawley's only County Championship innings lasted six balls.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2021, 09:26:45 AM »

All these issues stem from the top. Giles hasn’t got a clue how to organise men’s cricket. Open the chequebook and bring back Strauss.
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« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2021, 10:16:30 AM »

Surely your issues stem from the fact that white ball cricket has been given far more importance over the last decade. You have to be a very a good player to be able to transition between the formats. There are plenty of players around the world that fit into this category not just English players. KL Rahul was a red ball player now his white ball game has taken over, he has never been the red ball player he once was.
I think we forget how difficult it is to transfer the skills for each format. How many batsman in world cricket excel in all formats? Kohli maybe although his test cricket has not been what it once was. Babar this past couple of years maybe.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2021, 11:48:34 AM »

From BBC website:

England have had little preparation for this five-Test series. Five members of their top eight - captain Joe Root, Jonny Bairstow, Lawrence, Jos Buttler and Sam Curran - had not played any first-class cricket since at least the New Zealand defeat in June, while Zak Crawley's only County Championship innings lasted six balls.
Also from the BBC Sport website... Virat Kohli last played a first class game in 2012.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #85 on: August 05, 2021, 12:29:22 PM »

Archer out of this series, the T20 World Cup AND the Ashes.

Sigh.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2021, 01:01:01 PM »

However, I love Jimmy
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #87 on: August 05, 2021, 02:40:02 PM »

It actually looks like Eng could get a first innings lead here, and a result still possible if we can get even two more days worth of play. Ind own issues in swinging conditions exposed but was as expected. Rahane past his prime, notwithstanding his lone century is Aus (which had 4 or 5 catch drops btw) . Kohli back to 2014 form, in WTC as well as now, he is back nicking ones that could be left.  Pujara never succeeded in Eng even during his best years, so don't expect him to now given his shaky form since almost 2 yrs.

Makes me think how far ahead Smith is in longer format as he keeps scoring double centuries in these conditions where no one else can even score a 50.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2021, 03:23:16 PM »

Also from the BBC Sport website... Virat Kohli last played a first class game in 2012.

Erm, he's Virat Kohli?
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #89 on: August 05, 2021, 04:19:52 PM »

Also, a Test is a first-class match. So, actually, not correct to say he hasn't played one since 2012.
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