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Re: England v India series
« Reply #150 on: August 09, 2021, 05:24:33 PM »

Interested to hear comments praising Lawrence's technique and criticising Burns'. I have it the other way round, with Lawrence getting his hands in all the wrong spots, making it very loose, whereas with Burns I think the quirky stuff actually happens before the bowler reaches the crease (though he possesses limited scoring options).

Issue is not as much with the quality of the county game as its fundamental otherness from test cricket.  There remains a preponderance of seamers who peak at or below 80mph but use "a bit of nip" which allows them to pick up wickets but not test reactions in the same way a Test attack might. Excluding the hypothetical Sussex one day attack for a moment, Lancashire probably have the quickest attack in the FC game right now, with Anderson, Mahmood and Luke Wood around 85 and Bailey, Lamb and a couple of others over 80. That's still a bit gap from Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc and Pattinson all over 90, which denies players the right to live on their reflexes.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #151 on: August 09, 2021, 06:53:53 PM »

I can't deal with us messing Moeen around again. Sigh.
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« Reply #152 on: August 09, 2021, 07:47:30 PM »

Speaking of technique, this might be controversial but it seems like Zak Crowley has the worst technique (for the conditions). Or perhaps not technique, gameplan might be the better word. But he’s way too loose.. if all you want is to see some gorgeous cover drives, just bring Vince back.
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« Reply #153 on: August 09, 2021, 08:10:43 PM »

I can't deal with us messing Moeen around again. Sigh.

Have to say he's been treated appallingly by England, I'm surprised he still wants to play five day cricket.

He's a selfless individual but if your reading Silverwoods interview they do want him in to cover the problem area of batting.

He's batted 8 before so it cold be a straight swap for Curran
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #154 on: August 09, 2021, 08:32:56 PM »

Mo surely can’t be brought it as part of a 5 man attack. If it’s him for a batsman then it could work (though the batting certainly doesn’t need weakening). But if you get a flat wicket and a warm spell, I’d have to be Root leading that attack if the Indians get after Mo. Especially with them only having one leftie.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #155 on: August 10, 2021, 12:45:32 AM »



Most of us England fans know, we are looking at,with the huge exception of Root, the worst batting line up in living memory.

The line ups from the 90s were far worse than the ones we are putting out at the moment.  Ramprakash played 62 tests at an average of 27.  The constant churn of batsmen getting a couple of tests after a good run of domestic form then getting ditched if they didn't make a big score have thankfully gone.

This may not be a great side, but it is a barely 20 years ago that we sat bottom if the test rankings. 
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #156 on: August 10, 2021, 12:52:22 AM »

It seems odd to me that you have a guy like Kholi who has reached the top in all formats of international cricket who is fairly open about the work he does to improve his game and address technical issues and a guy like Rory Burns who seems happy to crack on the same way as he has been doing seemingly leaning nothing.  It reminds me of Monty Panesar and his lack of capacity to learn and develop.

There is a world of difference between those guys who look unorthodox or ugly, but have the fundamentals in place, and those who don't.   

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Re: England v India series
« Reply #157 on: August 10, 2021, 06:03:19 AM »

Have to say he's been treated appallingly by England, I'm surprised he still wants to play five day cricket.

He's a selfless individual but if your reading Silverwoods interview they do want him in to cover the problem area of batting.

He's batted 8 before so it cold be a straight swap for Curran

You have to wonder how that phone call goes between Silverwood and Mo .. 😆

If Mo comes in I don't think you have a choice it'd him for Curran to get a spinner into the spinner and not weaken the batting - otherwise you would play Leech surely.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #158 on: August 10, 2021, 08:04:24 AM »

Mo has been selected... I have no idea where that leaves Dom Bess and Leach.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #159 on: August 10, 2021, 08:07:01 AM »

Mo has been selected...
Big question is does he come in for Curran or Lawrence/Bairstow? Hard to quibble with having Moeen around when Stokes/Woakes are unavailable, but if I was Jack Leach I'd be going ballistic around now.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #160 on: August 10, 2021, 08:32:54 AM »

It seems England will pick Leach when we have a bowling allrounder in the team(Stokes/Woakes). You would doubt we will play two spinners at Lords so Leach misses out again.
The Guardian today has Hameed and Mo in the side for Thursday. With potentially Buttler batting 6, presume Mo 7.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #161 on: August 10, 2021, 08:33:35 AM »

And I thought we were a mess when Ed Smith was in charge...
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #162 on: August 10, 2021, 09:08:25 AM »

Jeez, they have really messed about poor Leach and Bess if Mo is shoehorned in.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #163 on: August 10, 2021, 09:35:23 AM »

Good to see Moeen back. Hopefully his all round ability means we can pick a proper fourth seamer such as Wood.
Leach will be gutted but he’s in the same situation as Ashwin. Without a seam bowling all rounder both those two looking to be warming the bench.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #164 on: August 10, 2021, 09:48:18 AM »

Good to see Moeen back. Hopefully his all round ability means we can pick a proper fourth seamer such as Wood.
Leach will be gutted but he’s in the same situation as Ashwin. Without a seam bowling all rounder both those two looking to be warming the bench.


All round ability... remind me when was the last time he actually produced anything CONSISTENTLY with the bat for the England TEST team (white ball biffing simply doesn't count)
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