Topic: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled (Read 23771 times)

InternalTraining · « **Reply #75 on:** September 22, 2021, 05:11:49 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 22, 2021, 04:59:20 PM

well done, you're aware that there is a significant act that covers such things. Then You'll be smart enough to know that making such things available to anyone outside of such channels is clearly stupid and leads to bad things.

Your reading comprehension needs a lot of remedial help. PTSD could be another.

I asked a basic question and you didn't know how to answer. Now you are throwing around some "big" ideas which you actually don't understand well enough.

You should take your own advice and stick to cricket "fella".

ppccopener · « **Reply #76 on:** September 22, 2021, 05:27:26 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 22, 2021, 03:54:38 PM

What about the liability cost and responsibility involved to PCB and nation of cricket fans? What about future tours and costs of those tours?

You sitting on your personal fortune of 20 pounds have no problem passing judgement on one side. Why don't you contact PCB and their fans and their govt. and tell them that they don't deserve to know the truth.

Basically, your attitude is the perfect example of the elitism that PCB is complaining about.

I don�t have anything to explain to any Pakistan fans or their board. The NZ team had a threat made against them and they left, England are left in the situation where they send a team after that happened or don�t send a team.
I�m glad the ECB pulled the team out so the decision is fine with me, you�re the one jumping up and down about some great conspiracy theory.

As I�ve said many times on this forum Pakistan is important to world cricket.
I hope these games at some point can be scheduled for the UAE, where England have played before and Pakistan made their base for a while.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #77 on:** September 22, 2021, 05:43:02 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on September 22, 2021, 05:27:26 PM

I don�t have anything to explain to any Pakistan fans or their board. The NZ team had a threat made against them and they left, England are left in the situation where they send a team after that happened or don�t send a team.
I�m glad the ECB pulled the team out so the decision is fine with me, you�re the one jumping up and down about some great conspiracy theory.

Then, you need to get outside the 50 mile radius that you live in.

We live in an overly inter-connected world. What one boards says and does affects other countries & their boards: Either weigh all the options before opening your mouth and letting poop fly out or hire better people. Monetary losses are just one factor; future tours are at risk now. Safety first . It is perfectly understandable but NZ needs to come clean and share what they know because they had bad info. Says ENG govt. Full stop!

ppccopener · « **Reply #78 on:** September 22, 2021, 05:58:53 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on September 22, 2021, 05:43:02 PM

Then, you need to get outside the 50 mile radius that you live in.

We live in an overly inter-connected world. What one boards says and does affects other countries & their boards: Either weigh all the options before opening your mouth and letting poop fly out or hire better people. Monetary losses are just one factor; future tours are at risk now. Safety first . It is perfectly understandable but NZ needs to come clean and share what they know because they had bad info. Says ENG govt. Full stop!

I have no idea why you believe the threat to the NZ team was bad info. Why you think you know better is baffling.

At the end of the day you can think whatever you like. We all have our opinions.

But I believe the NZ press announcements that made their decision for them.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #79 on:** September 22, 2021, 06:01:10 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on September 22, 2021, 05:58:53 PM

I have no idea why you believe the threat to the NZ team was bad info. Why you think you know better is baffling.

Lets wait for our resident security expert to chime in before I answer this.

potzy248 · « **Reply #80 on:** September 22, 2021, 08:09:22 PM »

I'm sure in time the NZ govt will release the reasons behind the cancellation. I don't think they need to release this straight away just so the fans and ex players etc who have behaved appallingly can sleep a bit easier. The "NZ" players would've been gutted that the tour was canned. These players were not our top string so would have been very keen to use this opportunity. If there was a credible threat then get them out.
Pakistan will come back from this. What they would never come back from is if a cricketer was seriously injured or worse while touring there.

In terms of the England decision. Imagine if you were in that side and the team before you left in an instant because of a security threat. Imagine the talk on the players Whatsapp group and the players WAGS talking to the players. Surely this is why they didn't go even with all the other excuses floating around.

I think this thread has failed to think about the human side to sport and the impact fear plays on players and their families.

brokenbat · « **Reply #81 on:** September 22, 2021, 08:25:50 PM »

Quote from: potzy248 on September 22, 2021, 08:09:22 PM

I'm sure in time the NZ govt will release the reasons behind the cancellation. I don't think they need to release this straight away just so the fans and ex players etc who have behaved appallingly can sleep a bit easier. The "NZ" players would've been gutted that the tour was canned. These players were not our top string so would have been very keen to use this opportunity. If there was a credible threat then get them out.
Pakistan will come back from this. What they would never come back from is if a cricketer was seriously injured or worse while touring there.

In terms of the England decision. Imagine if you were in that side and the team before you left in an instant because of a security threat. Imagine the talk on the players Whatsapp group and the players WAGS talking to the players. Surely this is why they didn't go even with all the other excuses floating around.

I think this thread has failed to think about the human side to sport and the impact fear plays on players and their families.

Agree re NZ. They had no choice given the circumstances.

But mate, the ECB decision was appalling and can never be justified. The UK government made a special effort to clarify that this was the ECBs decision alone, and not based on any security concerns. Player WAGs would also have been extremely uneasy about their partners travelling to a country ravaged with covid (UK), and yet the Pakistani team travelled and saved the ECBs millions of pounds. Let�s call a spade a spade (like all the England journalists have, to their credit), and recognize foul play when we see it.

SurreySam · « **Reply #82 on:** September 22, 2021, 08:33:06 PM »

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe NZ & ENG utilise the same security agency. So if there was genuine intelligence suggesting an imminent threat to NZ, you'd be a fool to ignore that for the next inbound 'western' touring side.

brokenbat · « **Reply #83 on:** September 22, 2021, 08:36:38 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on September 22, 2021, 08:33:06 PM

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe NZ & ENG utilise the same security agency. So if there was genuine intelligence suggesting an imminent threat to NZ, you'd be a fool to ignore that for the next inbound 'western' touring side.

You�d have to take this up with the UK govt /
high commission who�ve made a special effort to explain that security was not a concern. The ecb statement doesn�t mention it either.

SurreySam · « **Reply #84 on:** September 22, 2021, 08:40:40 PM »

The UK govt would have no involvement really, other than 'is it' safe for UK nationals to travel to PAK. This whole debacle is to do with private firms employed by cricket boards..

potzy248 · « **Reply #85 on:** September 22, 2021, 09:35:19 PM »

Quote from: brokenbat on September 22, 2021, 08:25:50 PM

Agree re NZ. They had no choice given the circumstances.

But mate, the ECB decision was appalling and can never be justified. The UK government made a special effort to clarify that this was the ECBs decision alone, and not based on any security concerns. Player WAGs would also have been extremely uneasy about their partners travelling to a country ravaged with covid (UK), and yet the Pakistani team travelled and saved the ECBs millions of pounds. Let�s call a spade a spade (like all the England journalists have, to their credit), and recognize foul play when we see it.

Yeah I don't disagree with what you are saying re ECB I'm just saying that I believe the players and partners plus team management would have had a huge say in the decision. The ECB haven't said this and have instead said it was due to other factors.

Your point is valid re teams touring the UK with covid around however most people would risk Covid over Terrorism Id imagine.

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