Topic: England vs West Indies series.... (Read 25949 times)

jonny77 · « **Reply #90 on:** March 16, 2022, 08:08:39 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 16, 2022, 06:56:08 PM

Yea it�s enough bowling with Leach away from the right handers and Root and Lawrence in. What we do not want is Root constantly going to Stokes in this game. He is an absolute star but Root does not seem to grasp over bowling guys into the ground.

On a more positive note, second innings last test and first this one, Lawrence seems to me to have the confidence to play.

Early days thou.

Guess you didn't see Stokes quote after the last test? I struggle with people blaming Root for over bowling people. Surely a bowler knows his body and isn't just going to keep bowling if he thinks he can't? You'd also think Root wouldn't be forcing someone to bowl who clearly wasn't fit enough to do so, or said they were fatigued/injured etc

Jimbo · « **Reply #91 on:** March 16, 2022, 08:19:07 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on March 16, 2022, 08:08:39 PM

Guess you didn't see Stokes quote after the last test? I struggle with people blaming Root for over bowling people. Surely a bowler knows his body and isn't just going to keep bowling if he thinks he can't? You'd also think Root wouldn't be forcing someone to bowl who clearly wasn't fit enough to do so, or said they were fatigued/injured etc

Stokes does seem the type who might need protected from himself though. Can't see him telling Root he can't bowl because he's hurting or knackered, he'd just push through it and end up really hurting himself.

jonny77 · « **Reply #92 on:** March 16, 2022, 08:34:30 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on March 16, 2022, 08:19:07 PM

Stokes does seem the type who might need protected from himself though. Can't see him telling Root he can't bowl because he's hurting or knackered, he'd just push through it and end up really hurting himself.

I take your point but he's not a rookie and if that's the case then the blame would lie with Stokes, not Root. Just feel he gets some unfair stick at times. If a senior player and one of your best tells you he's fit to bowl, you'd bowl him imo

ppccopener · « **Reply #93 on:** March 16, 2022, 08:52:26 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on March 16, 2022, 08:08:39 PM

Guess you didn't see Stokes quote after the last test? I struggle with people blaming Root for over bowling people. Surely a bowler knows his body and isn't just going to keep bowling if he thinks he can't? You'd also think Root wouldn't be forcing someone to bowl who clearly wasn't fit enough to do so, or said they were fatigued/injured etc

I did see Stokes after the test actually and again, Stokes needs protecting from himself, he�s already caned Archer

Root is the bloody Captain

Jimbo · « **Reply #94 on:** March 16, 2022, 09:06:59 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on March 16, 2022, 08:34:30 PM

I take your point but he's not a rookie and if that's the case then the blame would lie with Stokes, not Root. Just feel he gets some unfair stick at times. If a senior player and one of your best tells you he's fit to bowl, you'd bowl him imo

Think sometimes the captain and coaches have to take responsibility for a player's welfare, especially when you know their personality like Root will know Stokes.

rickjames · « **Reply #95 on:** March 16, 2022, 09:32:59 PM »

Bit of a brainfade from Lawrence, got greedy. Hundred there for the taking

jonny77 · « **Reply #96 on:** March 16, 2022, 10:12:10 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 16, 2022, 08:52:26 PM

I did see Stokes after the test actually and again, Stokes needs protecting from himself, he�s already caned Archer

Root is the bloody Captain

Bloody hell mate, bloody keep your bloody hair on! 😆

He is and Stokes, regardless of personality, is a senior player of vast experience and shouldn't need to be second guessed by the skipper.

Wondered how long it would be before Archer was mentioned. Which was obviously all down to Root, as has been widely reported by England's medical staff and Archer himself. Although i must have missed that.

Do we really think the amount of overs the bowlers bowl is solely down to the captain and he isn't advised by numerous people, medical staff etc etc? This is what i meant by him getting unwarranted stick. A bowler gets injured....oh Roots overbowled him obviously.

golders · « **Reply #97 on:** March 16, 2022, 10:55:22 PM »

I see what you�re saying here for sure. Root has advisers etc etc and these guys are pros who need to take responsibility. Archer for example could have got injured under Cook or Strauss in exactly the same way. We just don�t know. I do think he has a nasty habit of over bowling fast bowlers a bit though, don�t you?
I�ve never rated Root as a particularly good captain but who else is there? It�s a tough job and I love his passion.Maybe we have just bang average and even Mike Brearley would have struggled!
A few years back I would have been intrigued to see Broad do it- at least he would get in the side! But then we would miss his magnificent interviews in the chair on sky lol.
Like Strauss said the other day- there is a lot of doom and gloom around English cricket at the moment. With Strauss involved in some way I�m sure things can improve in time. I�m going to try and get behind the team a bit more in the future and try to be more positive in general.

rickjames · « **Reply #98 on:** March 17, 2022, 02:18:41 PM »

Will never get bored of watching Stokes' on drive

It's such a gorgeous shot

rickjames · « **Reply #99 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:52:08 PM »

Jesus Christ he's so good when the game lets him play his way. Ridiculous power.

Jimbo · « **Reply #100 on:** March 17, 2022, 03:55:21 PM »

Sounds like he's playing more like himself. Great sign for England but also it's so nice to see Stokes batting like himself and enjoying it after all he's been through recently.

Bungle · « **Reply #101 on:** March 17, 2022, 04:42:55 PM »

Wow. Nearly hitting at a run a ball, is the pitch doing absolutely nothing or has the bowling been poor? Or just excellent batting for once?

Thor Odin�s Son · « **Reply #102 on:** March 17, 2022, 05:19:11 PM »

ICC needs some sort of mandate for pitches. You see matches in India lasting 8 sessions. Then you get cement pitches in Pakistan and the Caribbean.
I don�t see what these flat dead pitches do for test cricket.

ppccopener · « **Reply #103 on:** March 17, 2022, 08:31:45 PM »

This one and Antigua are pretty flat but if it turns in the later part of the game we can have no complaints away from home.

But flat and does nothing for any bowlers yes totally agree.

SD · « **Reply #104 on:** March 17, 2022, 11:05:32 PM »

Quote from: Thor Odin�s Son on March 17, 2022, 05:19:11 PM

ICC needs some sort of mandate for pitches. You see matches in India lasting 8 sessions. Then you get cement pitches in Pakistan and the Caribbean.
I don�t see what these flat dead pitches do for test cricket.

Agreed, having watched the two tests in this series so far and the two from Pakistan, these surfaces simply aren't good enough to make the game a balance between and ball.

There is obviously a financial incentive for grounds to prepare this type of wicket to maximise revenue. That would change if the ICC more readily banned grounds from hosting further games for preparing wickets like this

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