Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2024, 12:01:29 AM »

Im happy to play/bowl if it helps numbers. Depending on where the matches take place. But I guess with notice I could just find a hotel…..with a bar……😁

I can confirm there is a great pub with accommodation 5 mins walk away
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2024, 09:06:19 AM »

I think that the reason for the shift towards light to mid weight bats that pick-up well is actually fairly simple: economics

I used to work in the cricket equipment/retail industry (I won’t say where). And in my experience bats that were 2.8 to 2.9 were by far and away the most popular for the vast majority of people, with some preferring a slightly lighter bat, and the proportion of those who wanted a bat over 2.10 being fairly low. It seems to me to be basic good economic/business sense to produce more bats that most people like, especially in tough times such as these.

I think the number of people who think they need a very low sweetspot on their bat ( meaning it probably will pick up like a railway sleeper more times than not) is dwindling. I think the logic behind that was always flawed (unless you’re overseas on subcontinent style pitches). Have a look at your bat… I have very rarely seen someone’s bat that was covered in lots of marks toward the bottom end of the blade. In my experience most amateur cricketers use most of the face and the better players hit more balls somewhat centrally and around where a mid blade sweetspot is usually positioned. As such, with modern dried out willow, a mid blade sweetspot, not too much wood in the toe and an overall weight of about 2lb 8oz, the bat is going to pick up very nice and light. I think the market for funky profiles or big heavy bats is limited. There is a good reason that most pros use fairly similar profiles (there are often slight differences of course but they are generally not a huge range of profile shapes that I can see when I watch). I also think with how good bats are these days, you don’t really need a massive bat, if you play a half decent shot and have a nice bit of wood, chances are it’s going a good distance!


I saw a comment making fun of people who ask for exactly 2.8 and add a grip making it heavier, I feel this was unfair and I will explain why… Personally I don’t use two grips, I like a fairly thin handle, and I prefer the feeling one one grip as I feel the sponginess of two grips gives me less feel for how the bat is responding and slightly less control of the bat face. I prefer to carefully apply some zinc oxide tape around parts of the handle I’d like to thicken ever so slightly to get it to where I feel comfortable. I also apply small pieces of older grips around the top of the handle (where the pommel would be if it were a sword) to get the bat to pick up to my liking. However, for consistency, I like to weigh my bats with a face and with just one grip on them, no counter balancing grips. Customers like those mentioned above may well know that they like a 2.8 bat with a second grip on top of that, and that’s fine. In the same way I know I like a bat that’s 2.7-2.85 with some tape and some counterbalancing until it feels right. For me, the mistake is to not take into account the weight of a face, especially if you are using a good quality clear antiscuff that can add weight in a way that makes it feel heavier.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2024, 10:52:23 AM »

You've got some serious feel mate if a scuff sheet makes a bat feel heavier or unbalanced!

I think the comment about 2 grips was the fact she people are adamant they can't use anything over 2lbs 8oz for me example, but then get a 2lbs 8oz with a very thin handle (partly no doubt made thin so as to hit a scales weight of 2lbs 8oz. But will then put an extras grip on, so the bat becomes 2lbs 10oz and they don't bat an eyelid.

Which was kind of the point I think. That a well made bat at 2lbs 10oz for example, will sometimes feel better than a 2lbs 8oz Which has just been made up hit a scale weight with little thought on balance or longevity (due to those bats being more saleable)
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2024, 12:36:10 PM »

People narrow down bat choice on budget and weight from my 20 years experience selling them, heavier models will be dismissed and the 2.8-2.9 range will typically take centre stage.

As mentioned the adding on a grip then pushes these into the heavier cracked where a bat with a thicker handle may have been residing at 2.10.

Scuff sheets add an 1.2oz usually when using good quality clear stuff.

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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2024, 01:30:39 PM »

1.2oz is a lot more than Iv seen it’s normally 0.5oz and that’s from the top guy that sells them to GM etx
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2024, 01:48:00 PM »

I think scuffs tend to vary wildly - length, does it come with attached edge tape, clear or fibre, etc. I can't remember many that were as light as 0.5oz but 1.5oz would be heavier than any I can remember using.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2024, 02:11:51 PM »

One I use is a top quality scuff sheet (used by the big boys I believe) and I think adds around 0.5oz. I'll do a very scientific test tomorrow and let you know.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #67 on: February 05, 2024, 02:28:08 PM »

One I use is a top quality scuff sheet (used by the big boys I believe) and I think adds around 0.5oz. I'll do a very scientific test tomorrow and let you know.

Imagine we're using the same (Eddie?), and it's pretty much always 0.4-0.5oz depending on the length cut - yes I'm sad enough to weigh it each time I start a new roll! :D

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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2024, 03:20:05 PM »

Never mind scuff sheets, think how much weight gets wasted with fancy modern embossed stickers ;)
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2024, 03:36:59 PM »

Never mind scuff sheets, think how much weight gets wasted with fancy modern embossed stickers ;)

Again, around 0.5 Oz. is this the point where we ask everyone if they know what their gloves weigh?! 😆
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #70 on: February 05, 2024, 03:43:53 PM »

Yeah I was referring to the top boys one and the main supplier to them or some of them
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #71 on: February 05, 2024, 04:27:57 PM »

Again, around 0.5 Oz. is this the point where we ask everyone if they know what their gloves weigh?! 😆

Always been a bug bear of mine how much this gets overlooked. Gloves can vary in weight by as much as 6 ounces across the brands and models.

whenever you go shopping for a bat, take your batting gloves with you.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2024, 07:41:47 PM »

Always been a bug bear of mine how much this gets overlooked. Gloves can vary in weight by as much as 6 ounces across the brands and models.

whenever you go shopping for a bat, take your batting gloves with you.

I always make sure when someone comes to me they put a set of gloves on when picking up bats. Fact is you never ever bat without gloves on so you can’t make a valid argument on how a bat feels without wearing a set.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2024, 08:10:20 PM »

Yeah my point was mainly that people obsess over half Oz of scale weight, but never consider the weight of the gloves they also have to swing about. We should all use 2lbs 17oz bats and be done with it!
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2024, 08:47:35 AM »

Fact is you never ever bat without gloves on so you can’t make a valid argument on how a bat feels without wearing a set.

Couldn't agree more!
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