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[procricket]

It intereting I had a chat today with 3 prominant willow men today about density of wood and it was a intereting insight to it all 3 talked about a lack of what he said was real low density clefts but a lot of people drying them out unnaturally.
Bit off topic and in no way Charlie am I saying this is you and the people who I know who have the joker have all said the same thing top quality bats. 

It just seems we might have 90 per cent of so called low density clefts on this forum

[SillyShilly]

Rich - is someone offered you a bat with 20 straight ruler grains, no blemishes but you were told it would perform well, then someone hands you some doggy looking velum cleft and says this will play fantastically, i still think heart will rule over head and most people wil choose the better looking cleft....you might be one of the few strong willed people who would say no, but i know i would pick the good looking willow because i'm shallow and it's all about cosmetics

Pro - i think there is a difference between density and moisture content, easy to dry out willow to get the weight down, but it's needle in a haystack to get the low density clefts

[procricket]

Big time diffrence it just seems odd there seems to be so many low density cleft k ocking around after the chats I had today

Charlie must say well done bud I know people I know are talking of your joker and in a very good light

[norbs]

It intereting I had a chat today with 3 prominant willow men today about density of wood and it was a intereting insight to it all 3 talked about a lack of what he said was real low density clefts but a lot of people drying them out unnaturally.
Bit off topic and in no way Charlie am I saying this is you and the people who I know who have the joker have all said the same thing top quality bats. 

It just seems we might have 90 per cent of so called low density clefts on this forum

You are selling bats nowadays enlighted us with some words of wisdom of how it all works, as opposed to saying I've heard from 3 willow merchants, I think this is what happens  and no offence but what I've been told

[procricket]

Not going in to it but I not selling for profit but for love of the game Andy.  Just I ran a experiment with a bat put it in airing cupboard for 6 weeks and guess what 4 oz lighter but still pings just as well I know it will not last as long but all this stuff about pro clefts well performance yes durability not a chance.  And what I was told is private just thought I'd share it with you.  Naturally light clefts without treatment are in big demand but I e pect you know more than me I no batmaker and do not claim to be either just getting more info everyday which surely can not be a bad thing

what I would like to know is there any way of doing a moisture test on a bat as somepeople can hide a dried out bat with a good finish
sorry Charlie this is your page mate

[Watsontotty]

SillyShilly it would depend on who was telling me, if i had previous dealings and experience with the person telling me the things you mention i would trust them for sure. Lets just say James Laver or Julian Millichamp or Marty Graham or Nick Nixon or many others I've personally dealt with offer me a bat which meets my criteria then id pay up and id not care about 798 grains with 100mm edges.

Ive been around the game of cricket for many many years and spoken to a lot of different people and had bats made from many many people and i no which ones i trust and i have others i don't care for so i base all my decisions around that. I'm also more than willing to try new people and brands like i did with the Joker without seeing anything at all about the bat and had no idea what it would be like but i like to try new brands and products.

I personally pay no attention to peoples comments on anything if they have not bought or used the the brand or products although plenty do comment in this way. I think people who know me would tell you I'm very much my own man and I'm not one to fall in line even if its expected, i have my own opinions and views and that's what i use to purchase goods. If I'm buying a bat across the Internet without picking it up then i look for 8 or 9 grains with no heart wood as over many many years that's what has worked for me.

[procricket]

Old git you gonna let me have a hit with it rich when I next in wrong turn country

[Watsontotty]

I will if you can get in again bud as we limit access to a select few.

[Black Cat Cricket]

the Jokers aren't made from over dried willow, or from special naturally low-density willow.

One day I'll get a Joker made up from a nice low-density bit of wood and put some pics up here.  I have a feeling it may not fit in most cricket bags though...

[procricket]

Charlie I was not implying that mate sorry for the clogging would be a big bat Charlie

[norbs]

Not going in to it but I not selling for profit but for love of the game Andy.  Just I ran a experiment with a bat put it in airing cupboard for 6 weeks and guess what 4 oz lighter but still pings just as well I know it will not last as long but all this stuff about pro clefts well performance yes durability not a chance.  And what I was told is private just thought I'd share it with you.  Naturally light clefts without treatment are in big demand but I e pect you know more than me I no batmaker and do not claim to be either just getting more info everyday which surely can not be a bad thing

what I would like to know is there any way of doing a moisture test on a bat as somepeople can hide a dried out bat with a good finish
sorry Charlie this is your page mate

Please go into further detail as you implied on a thread that you think things are dubious, that implication deserves more information so please englighten us.   Lets get rid of this bat maker crap you keep on spouting off about me and in laymans terms tell me, or are you implying, are you pretening or in the real world do you know what you are talking about. State something other then hearsay or I've heard this and I know a bat maker whose told me and tell me something sensible not something that is half hearted or quite frankly crap.... Like 1400lbs of pressure for 1st few runs and then 2000lbs pressure for the next few runs as that is just stupid.

[norbs]

SillyShilly it would depend on who was telling me, if i had previous dealings and experience with the person telling me the things you mention i would trust them for sure. Lets just say James Laver or Julian Millichamp or Marty Graham or Nick Nixon or many others I've personally dealt with offer me a bat which meets my criteria then id pay up and id not care about 798 grains with 100mm edges.

Ive been around the game of cricket for many many years and spoken to a lot of different people and had bats made from many many people and i no which ones i trust and i have others i don't care for so i base all my decisions around that. I'm also more than willing to try new people and brands like i did with the Joker without seeing anything at all about the bat and had no idea what it would be like but i like to try new brands and products.

I personally pay no attention to peoples comments on anything if they have not bought or used the the brand or products although plenty do comment in this way. I think people who know me would tell you I'm very much my own man and I'm not one to fall in line even if its expected, i have my own opinions and views and that's what i use to purchase goods. If I'm buying a bat across the Internet without picking it up then i look for 8 or 9 grains with no heart wood as over many many years that's what has worked for me.

Can I ask you question then if you know so much why haven't you or arent you any better off in the cricket game then you are at the moment.

[norbs]

Finally and to finish off my rant the guy that makes the Bats for BlackCat isn't cheating on the willow, isn't cheating on the pressing he's just a bloody good bat maker with good materials

[Watsontotty]

I don't understand your question, if you know so much why haven't you or aren't you any better off in the cricket game then you are at the moment. If you can clarify what you mean then i will try and answer. And if the above was aimed at me I've made little mention regarding the joker apart from I'm very happy.

[procricket]

Love it hear say stuff no just information off somebody who I suspect knows a little more than you but no need to get into this Andy you know what you know and fair play but as I have always said the cricketi g world is a big place and whilst you might be a font of all you know on here but the bigger picture your just a guy selling bats sceince or no science

who said he was cheating Andy?