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[norbs]

I don't understand your question, if you know so much why haven't you or aren't you any better off in the cricket game then you are at the moment. If you can clarify what you mean then i will try and answer. And if the above was aimed at me I've made little mention regarding the joker apart from I'm very happy.

You  generally say, I will give you an honest review, I've dealt with great bat makers like Nixon, MG and JM, which you add to most of you comments. With a side ordering of I've been in industry and seen it all.  My question, I suppose is, why do you feel the need to comment on any thread and why do you feel need to buy and review any bat if you've been there and done that!

[norbs]

Love it hear say stuff no just information off somebody who I suspect knows a little more than you but no need to get into this Andy you know what you know and fair play but as I have always said the cricketi g world is a big place and whilst you might be a font of all you know on here but the bigger picture your just a guy selling bats sceince or no science

who said he was cheating Andy?

name and shame then Procricket, I never said I was better then anyone else you just assumed it, like I said  enlightend us with your wisdom or snippets of info you may have heard. Like you always say if you are going to call the kettle black call it black dont just imply the kettle is black. By the way is saying 1400lbs for the 1st few runs and 2000lbs for the next few runs theoretical science not real world experience, engineering & sports is slightly different

[Watsontotty]

Simply because i have and i can however i don't buy and review every bat or brand, H4L Bulldog Lekka Redback to name a few I've not tried and made no comment about. I make comments on topics i wish to as i guess you do and i could ask the same question why do you post on every topic etc ? perhaps because you have something to say which is the general idea of a forum.

And yes I've been around the industry for many years and I've seen a lot but not everything hence why I'm still trying new things and new brands and i will continue to offer my opinion on things even if you don't like it.

[norbs]

Simply because i have and i can however i don't buy and review every bat or brand, H4L Bulldog Lekka Redback to name a few I've not tried and made no comment about. I make comments on topics i wish to as i guess you do and i could ask the same question why do you post on every topic etc ? perhaps because you have something to say which is the general idea of a forum.

Waston, you know what fair enough, I've probably misread a load of your comments and as you say I try to only comment on threads I know something about so I've been a bit misguided in my posts this evening, so my apologises

[procricket]

Not getting into this but a bat is a bat plain and simple put spin as much as you like win awards well done sell your bats good for you but I will not name anybody as I like my cards were they are. 
Cricket bats to me are a simple thing there 1 of 3 things bad,average,good I have been on a fact finding search to find out a few things and I think I have found enough now to base my opinions on now
think it time we got off Charles topic now but I should have started with somewere else but read my bad English and at no point did I say anybody was doubious or using unnatural methods   
As I previously said all the people I have talked to have rated the joker and think it is a tremendous bat. So I might have to treat myself to one if bloody rich let's me have a hit with it first. 

[norbs]

Not getting into this but a bat is a bat plain and simple put spin as much as you like win awards well done sell your bats good for you but I will not name anybody as I like my cards were they are. 
Cricket bats to me are a simple thing there 1 of 3 things bad,average,good I have been on a fact finding search to find out a few things and I think I have found enough now to base my opinions on now
think it time we got off Charles topic now but I should have started with somewere else but read my bad English and at no point did I say anybody was doubious or using unnatural methods   
As I previously said all the people I have talked to have rated the joker and think it is a tremendous bat. So I might have to treat myself to one if bloody rich let's me have a hit with it first.

We can ask this thread to get deleted and started again on a new3lb joker thread. You started to imply that something was dubious to start off with so not sure why you are asking to remove it now

ok, back onto the bat maker awards thing which you seem to be hung up on, the thing for me isnt about awards or recognition, yep I admit I sent a bat off and it did well and it is good to get that recognition. I know why it did well,  I know about all the bats I make and that is why I do / did it, to justify all the "crap" I talk about and because I am comfortable with my knowledge, I dont allude or imply. If you cant answer a questions or debate a proposition without saying lets change the subject I would suggest you do not post an opinion in the first place

[procricket]

Well fair enough if you take it that way nobody said deleated did they just passing on some info I have found

But ok your right you must be


And at no stage did I say anything was doubious about any bats just we seems to have our fair share on the forum of low d clefts.
I agree it should have started on a different topic than Charlie joker but I never said he did this or that

Charlie sorry for invading your topic

[norbs]

Well fair enough if you take it that way nobody said deleated did they just passing on some info I have found

But ok your right you must be

Yep I must be, I've said to Rich, "fine, fair enough" nothing you've written yet has made me say that to yourself. 

[Talisman]

If you cannot name a source for your "facts", most of which are so laughable that even a moron would be able to see through them then don't moan when people who actually have involvement in equipment question them. I really feel embarrassed when reading these "quotes", get a life and either speak to people and quote them or stay away, I've had enough of reading this fantasy crap.

[peplow]

as everyone seems to be slightly off topic i may aswell ask talisman when he is next gonna see tom, and did he get my payment??!!

But back to the jokers...... A low density one would be mad, do they do clefts big enough? What would you imagine edge size on a 2lb 8 one of those to be black cat??

[will5210]

But back to the jokers...... A low density one would be mad, do they do clefts big enough? What would you imagine edge size on a 2lb 8 one of those to be black cat??

Well, mine is 2.9 & has 43mm edges so a 2.8 would have around 41mm perhaps?

If one were to be made out of one of these magical mystical 'pro' clefts I keep hearing about, could we guess around a 12%-20% size increase maybe?? Just guesswork I know, but SillyShilly made a very big bat out of a pro cleft, and that was a 'normal' width/length blade!

I think we should pester BlackCat to make this happen!

[peplow]

Yeah it would be insanely big, looking at 55mm edges??

[will5210]

Possibly, but a great middle I would've thought.

[procricket]

Mike if you have a problem please pm me it is not me who has been setting up a fantasy brand called talisman for over 2 years
mike like I have said if you have a problem please get in touch. 

[Coach]

any pictures?