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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Gunn & Moore => Topic started by: RightArmRapid on August 18, 2012, 05:49:02 PM
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Does anybody happen to know anything about the GM 2013 range or if they're even releasing one? Can't seem to find anything online.
Thanks in advance!
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GM are always the most secretive, you won't really know anything until the players start using them
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Latest - 13th September I should have info,
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Thank's for the replies guys, I'm quite curious as to see what new offerings they can provide, perhaps "plus" editions for all ranges?
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Everything crossed for a Purist type thing as my Icon took a bit of a battering today with cracks forming :(
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Surely the GM Max E will make an appearance over here.
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GM Max-E was sold to the Australian retailers as exclusive to Southern Hemisphere - I'd be surprised if we saw it here.
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as a betting man, I am going to push the boat out and put 50p on Gunn and Moore releasing a retro bat.
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as a betting man, I am going to push the boat out and put 50p on Gunn and Moore releasing a retro bat.
I'll go even further and say Maestro
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are we not including the 1885 as retro in this sense?
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I am enjoying all this guessing but my lips are sealed
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I am enjoying all this guessing but my lips are sealed
I don't know how you can keep the secret about the maestro ;)
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Hi folks - GM 2013 is being released internally on Tuesday next week, with UK Retailers and International Distributors joining us on Wednesday 5th.
Launch is at our factory in Nottingham. On account of us having a factory and our own fantastic staff making all GM DXM bats in NG2!
Great looking range - well I would say that!
Best wishes
Edward
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So all hush hush about a retro (Purist) model? ;)
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Good luck with the launch, look forward to seeing what wonders are revealed this season
young Perkins will soon be a picking up his Phd in no time im sure :) although Dr Perky does sound a bit like a carry on film!
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So all hush hush about a retro (Purist) model? ;)
Um not really hush hush on account of there isn't one!
Lots of others though...
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Can't wait for my first launch on Tuesday and can't wait to see the full range altogether. I know that many at GM have worked very hard to get a great range out this year, maybe are best yet??
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You'll never get that doctor hood with grammar like that Perkins!! ;)
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Well then my dyslexia strikes again! what about a practical PhD?
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You'll be a pass master at that mate... Hope ur enjoying yourself up there and picking up new skills!
Saw the pic of you with Kevin so I'm sure your knowledge base is growing pretty quickly
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I'm loving it mate! always learning with this job... well career :)
Yer been working with kev this week riving which has been an experience! well my foot is black which will teach me
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Haha health and safety....steel toe caps when splitting clefts or logs!!
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I know to do that now :p
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Um not really hush hush on account of there isn't one!
Lots of others though...
You have no idea how sad I am now :(
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A2DP65VCcAAULs3.jpg)
The only one I've seen so far
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Ok, that looks good, takes me back to them Duellist days!
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Those stickers are hhhhaaawwwwttttt
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(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff42/johnnywinter147/DC214AAE-B6DF-4353-A234-B09A4CDF90EF-6240-000008E9BCF67942.jpg)
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Don't like all this F2/F7 rubbish though, and the profiles look the same
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I love the profile beautiful indeed
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How can I view the post on cricket insight, saying I need a password. Put mine in and it doesn't work.
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(http://www.gm-cricket.com/upload/products/imagery/secondary/psi247.jpg)
Same shape?
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Why would you wanna go on Cricket Insight Nick? :o :)
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How can I view the post on cricket insight, saying I need a password. Put mine in and it doesn't work.
Not for public viewing yet so password protected until GM give the go ahead
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Why would you wanna go on Cricket Insight Nick? :o :)
Because the picture on your post had a cricket insight tag on the bottom lol, and besides I'm feeling unloved on here at the moment lol ;)
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Not for public viewing yet so password protected until GM give the go ahead
Yeh, basically GM uploaded all their photos to a GM 2013 site on Monday. We found the site through Google, downloaded all the pics and posted a couple. GM kicked up a fuss, and said no pics would be released by them for a week. So we complied with their request and password protected it.
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Anyone got any guesses for the password on te cricket insight? I've tried some of the obvious ones like GM2013, GM, etc. I NEED to see! ;)
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Yeh, basically GM uploaded all their photos to a GM 2013 site on Monday. We found the site through Google, downloaded all the pics and posted a couple. GM kicked up a fuss, and said no pics would be released by them for a week. So we complied with their request and password protected it.
I think GM have been stupid, they go shouting about it on twitter about the launch, then have a go at this and then release pictures on twitter of the argon!
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Thought that Argon would be blue but sadly not
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([url]http://www.gm-cricket.com/upload/products/imagery/secondary/psi247.jpg[/url])
Same shape?
No that more concave they all look like a41
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Some gm 2013 softs pictures would be nice
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Hmmm, are GM trying to imply that this model of bat is sluggish in action or motion, given Argon's menbership of the inert gases family?
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http://twitter.com/EdwardLowy/status/243311494010392576/photo/1
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http://twitter.com/EdwardLowy/status/243297153949249536/photo/1
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GM also gone edge mad http://twitter.com/GMCricket/status/243425533772320768/photo/1
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[url]http://twitter.com/EdwardLowy/status/243297153949249536/photo/1[/url]
That's the Zona which was posted earlier in this topic. Only 1 bat left to find ;)
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GM also gone edge mad [url]http://twitter.com/GMCricket/status/243425533772320768/photo/1[/url]
Yes, the F2 bats are all seemingly flatfaced.
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http://yfrog.com/nwhe7zmj duplex bag
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That's the Zona which was posted earlier in this topic. Only 1 bat left to find ;)
Octane
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That's the Zona which was posted earlier in this topic. Only 1 bat left to find ;)
THE OCTANE! :o looks very similar to the Max-e http://www.cricketstoreonline.com/gunn-moore-cricket-bats-2013/
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What is this F2/F7 that's on the edge of every bat?
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Some would say identical
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By the way, is the Zona slightly shorter bladed?
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Come on Colesy don't give it all away (says me ;) )
Some would say identical
And yes the Zona is a shorter blade.
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Right so let's get things straight the Argon:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A2DPvrQCEAAchnx.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A2DP65VCcAAULs3.jpg:large)
Icon will undoubtedly look the same.
Zona F2 has been posted on here
and Octane looks similar to the Max-E.
No news about any facelift for the Epic/softs?
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From the pics on twitter it looks like the gloves all have like a black tip on the fingers on some of them and judging by this http://twitter.com/EdwardLowy/status/243293889438552064/photo/1 I think the epic will be exactly the same.
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And they have gone for the SAF look with sone bright blue and red bags that are filth :D
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1885 dropped?
Zona:
(http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab312/JoeColes/GMZona.png)
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http://t.co/AmGyNT88
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Not surprised it's dropped to be honest, only GM bat I didn't see being used against us last season and saw every other model at least twice, maybe due to the obsession of huuuge edges or maybe the lack of pros using it? Or both? ???
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Or the availability. Didn't see all that many in shops, just online.
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I want to know how Jason gets all the new kit before everyone else? English bats going to a US store before all the ones in england - what's going on there?!
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He won't have any of those bats in stock or even on the way, just put it up early so others can see the new models I reckon who haven't seen twitter or on here.
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Probably does it for SEO purposes.
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He won't have any of those bats in stock or even on the way, just put it up early so others can see the new models I reckon who haven't seen twitter or on here.
OK, but what about those GN bats he was reviewing the other day? Certainly looked like he had some e41s, mavericks, dynadrives and a61s in stock!
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Ah but I thought they were for review purposes only, he certainly didn't sell them on the website and I'm sure that he said something about them being 'sent back'.
SEO Tom? ???
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Ah but I thought they were for review purposes only, he certainly didn't sell them on the website and I'm sure that he said something about them being 'sent back'.
SEO Tom? ???
Search Engine Optimisation - makes you appear high up on search engine results
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Ah cheers Joe
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OK, but what about those GN bats he was reviewing the other day? Certainly looked like he had some e41s, mavericks, dynadrives and a61s in stock!
E41 from Australia same as the a61
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But are being released in the UK
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Yes but you can as you all know get sometimes it earlier from Australia due to there season
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I think he got it with all the other uk gray nics bats for reviewing.
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Hes also got a Sneak peek of mongooses new offering mmi too and very jazzy anti scuff with their logo all over it!
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Hes also got a Sneak peek of mongooses new offering mmi too and very jazzy anti scuff with their logo all over it!
Mongooses offering have been on that site which shall not be mentioned, for the past week.
And the scuff sheet was a 2012 thing.
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Shows how good my eye to detail is lol
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Shows how good my eye to detail is lol
Ha ha ha..it's your old age mate!
I must admit i do like a bit of neon green! But for the purposes of pride i'll say it was a bit 2012 ;-)
That aside i'm curious about the Zona, like what i can see of it from the small pic but whites not the colour for that shape! (ponytail moment) :o
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So GM have just posted an explanation of F2 and F7 on Twitter.
Basically F2 is pressed with a flat face, while F7 is a normal convex face.
The hyperbole around the description is quite comical though!!!
'Optimised face curvature maximises edge dimensions for a larger sweetspot and incredible power'
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i think the whole flat face issue is purely to make the bats look bigger as consumers seem obsessed with how big a bats edges are over how the middle performs.
The manufacturers have cottoned onto the fact that a flat face will increase the edge size by a few mm which adds to the WOW factor when stating that a 2.10 has 38mm edges etc.
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So GM press their standard bats to give a 7mm face curvature. By leaving the face just about flat (2mm curvature), they would add about 3oz to the bat but have a gain on the edges of 5mm. Generally speaking taking 1mm off the edges, saves an oz.
So basically you save approx 2oz (if you retain the same edge size) by using a flat face. Meaning you can get monster edges at the key weight 2lb 9oz rather than the lofty 2lb 11/12 type weights.
N.B, they're very quick approximate calculations, to give you an idea on why companies use flat faces. Don't look too far into them ;)
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So GM press their standard bats to give a 7mm face curvature. By leaving the face just about flat (2mm curvature), they would add about 3oz to the bat but have a gain on the edges of 5mm. Generally speaking taking 1mm off the edges, saves an oz.
So basically you save approx 2oz (if you retain the same edge size) by using a flat face. Meaning you can get monster edges at the key weight 2lb 9oz rather than the lofty 2lb 11/12 type weights.
N.B, they're very quick approximate calculations, to give you an idea on why companies use flat faces. Don't look too far into them ;)
Sorry, Tom, I am really trying to get my head around this, but it's just not working! How are the "monster edges" bigger if you need to retain the same edge size to save that 2oz?!
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Okay, so let's say you have a 40mm bat and it weighs 2lb 11oz with a traditional face.
Make that a flatter faced (2mm curvature) bat and you have a 40mm bat at 2lb 9oz
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Also worth noting, on a flat faced bat that edge increase is on the whole of the bat. So you can further reduce toe and shoulders saving even more weight.
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Basically they are bigger for the weight.
as tom said, take a 2lb 11 bat with a normal curved face and 40mm edges. plane the front of it so its flat and it would still have the 40mm edges but would now be a couple of ounces lighter.
so a flat face bat that weighed 2lb 11 would have larger than 40mm edges compared to its curved faced version.
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Are flat faced bats something that the pros would use? or is it purely cosmetics for the consumer?
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Are flat faced bats something that the pros would use? or is it purely cosmetics for the consumer?
We only have ourselves to blame... this constant buzz around the edge size that was more for aesthetics than anything else had lead batmakers to compromise.
Yes you'll uncover techniques along the way but im pretty sure if you sat all the best podshavers in the world down and asked them to create a bat that was all about performance... they may look a little different.
Not saying the question... "how big are the edges" hasn't created some interesting work... but what the priority? look good or score runs... maybe a bit of both but i'd not want to compromise the bats potential for the sake of an edge... seems to quote a good teacher of mine.... "madness i tell you" :o :D
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ive got to agree. before i started making bats i always wanted a decent size edge as i had the impression that it ment a better bat and the traditional shaped bats were planks! Now aslong as it performs im happy. the thicker edge bats suit my technique better but im definately going to have a traditional and a modern edge bat in the kit bag this year.
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i use a bat to score runs not lean on and pose with whilst at the crease or for people to pick up and be impressed by whilst sat waiting to go into bat whilst not knowing how it performs.
If a bat had 20mm egdes but went like a tramp on chips id be more than happy!
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i use a bat to score runs not lean on and pose with whilst at the crease or for people to pick up and be impressed by whilst sat waiting to go into bat whilst not knowing how it performs.
If a bat had 20mm egdes but went like a tramp on chips id be more than happy!
well said, especially loved the "tramp on chips" bit :D
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To be faie, I have always looks at the profile size (including the edges) and that's the impressive bit!
But over the last year, I have been increasingly impressed by a few of the more traditional shaped bats! :o
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i use a bat to score runs not lean on and pose with whilst at the crease or for people to pick up and be impressed by whilst sat waiting to go into bat whilst not knowing how it performs.
If a bat had 20mm egdes but went like a tramp on chips id be more than happy!
That's where you're going wrong ;)
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i use a bat to score runs not lean on and pose with whilst at the crease or for people to pick up and be impressed by whilst sat waiting to go into bat whilst not knowing how it performs.
If a bat had 20mm egdes but went like a tramp on chips id be more than happy!
I love you gumbo! ;)
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so all edge and no spine by using a flat face?
I have a 3lb 5oz bat which is dwarfed interms of size by a 2lb 10 MH Distinction ........ but the edge on the 3' 5oz is massive
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so all edge and no spine by using a flat face?
No. Take a standard "7mm curvature" faced bat. With a normal profile. Plane that curvature off the front off the face, and spine and edges haven't changed position, but the bat has a flatter face. That's essentially what you are doing with pressing with a flat roller.
Madness if it affects the performance of the bat in my view.
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i don't agree, the edges will be the same, but the spine hight will be reduced by 5mm, in the "2mm versus 7mm" gm version, as the spine hight is measured from the center of the face, not the edge..
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i don't agree, the edges will be the same, but the spine hight will be reduced by 5mm, in the "2mm versus 7mm" gm version, as the spine hight is measured from the center of the face, not the edge..
Depends on what we are using as the datum though.
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what it seems to do is weaken the middle, to some extent. It does give the batmaker the option of increasing edge size/reducing weight. Same volume of wood is used, just placed differently.
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and what's all this stuff about 1.5oz heavier or something on the F2? I find it very odd we have to guess all this stuff on forums and read photos on twitter at a 90 degree angle.
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I'd think that a convexing roller would compresses the outside edges more than the middle where as a flat roller will compress consistently across the whole face.
If the flat faced bat was compressed to the same height as the middle of the convex faced bat then the edges would be bigger. If it were compressed to the same height as the edge of the convex faced bat then the edges would be the same.
If this is accurate, and flat faced bats have bigger edges, then they do so because the edges are not compressed as much as a convex faced bat. Possibly one reason why they seem to be more susceptible to cracking.
When a ball hits your bat off center the force of the impact pushes one side causing the bat to twist. A convex faced bat should lessen the twisty feeling because the ball has slided off the rounded face, the drawback being the ball has slided off the rounded face and now isn't going where you intended it.
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http://www.gm-cricket.com/ is now live...
Sadly I like the shape of the Zona, even though I hate the stickers...
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Very recent as I went on it 2 hours ago which was the old stuff
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I think the Zona is quite Laver&Wood-esque
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some interesting stuff:-
(http://www.gm-cricket.com/upload/pages/imagery/pi35.jpg)
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Bat Weights:-
(http://www.gm-cricket.com/upload/pages/imagery/pi24.jpg)
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Bat Shape guide:-
(http://www.gm-cricket.com/upload/pages/imagery/pi23.jpg)
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[url]http://www.gm-cricket.com/[/url] is now live...
Sadly I like the shape of the Zona, even though I hate the stickers...
No Tim, no....
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Amended my post when I realised I had mis-read the tiny numbers at midnight lol, I think the volume and weights are approx the same for F2/F7 versions.
Looking at these edge/spine numbers, flat face is the way to go if you are looking to impress.
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No Tim, no....
worry about that toe profile and whether the sweet spot is large enough, though I'm sure it goes well in the middle.
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worry about that toe profile and whether the sweet spot is large enough, though I'm sure it goes well in the middle.
Nah not even at that level mate, it is ugly :(
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PS the flat face, curved face chatter is interesting
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Nah not even at that level mate, it is ugly :(
It isn't pretty, but I reckon it's possibly the most unique thing they've done since the Luna, and I reckon, rather like the Laver Ultra shape, it flies.
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It isn't pretty, but I reckon it's possibly the most unique thing they've done since the Luna, and I reckon, rather like the Laver Ultra shape, it flies.
I just dont like the look of them, not saying they dont work far from it, I just dont like them :(
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The Zona shape looks horrible, surely the middle would be very confined and small?
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Its all up on their website now
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Well if the Octane starts at 2lb10 then that's out of the equation.
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if only the range had looked like this...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/utf-8BYmF0c19mZWVsX3RoZV9kaWZmZXJlbmNlLmpwZw.jpg)
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What year is that from Buzz as my mates got an Original Cannon like in that ad its a gun
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2001.
static.espncricinfo.com/db/NATIONAL/ENG/COMPETITIONS/GM/BATS.html
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Quite liked the old hero.
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Ahhh the Purist
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Anyone know the RRP's for the 2013 gm's?
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Anyone know the RRP's for the 2013 gm's?
Yes - got them all. Which ones are you after?
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606. 808 and Original please :)
And price of the Original L.E gloves.
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ANd Original LE and Players bats too Paul :)
Many thanks
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Might as well publish the entire list...
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Not sure if confirmed, but will be around these RRPs
Bats:
LE - £455
Original - £360
909 - £275
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Are you all gonna try out the flat faced versions? Strange we haven't seen any New GM at the world t20, I saw Botha netting with a Zona but that was it.
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Geez expensive
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I wonder what my b3 would count as I guess it was a bargain all thing considered
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275 for a 909? Mine was 160 when I bought it 2 years ago
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Wonder willow prices gone up but are they in accordance with bat prices
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(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4XniXkCEAA1lxI.jpg:large)
Odd as Bacon's B3 twitter account suggests there is a far bit of willow around.
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Well that is Wrights so they will have a few bit of willow
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My theory is a bat is worth what someone willing to pay plain and simple
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GM's prices are indeed going up, but not quite as much as some of the other brands (not mentioning any names!) Will get a full list of RRPs added to this thread tomorrow morning...
Should also add that RRPs always look expensive, especially for bats. The reality is that most retailers, especially online specialists like us, will always discount at least 15% off RRP on any bat, so you have to factor that in really...
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Blimey! Cricket is becoming expensive sports!
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I bought LEs for £360 including postage, custom etc in 2011. So in hindsight a good and sensible investment?
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I bought an LE for £180 this year
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Bought a Original+ for £200 yesterday, which is almost 50% off RRP. They also did the 808+ for £120
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606. 808 and Original please :)
And price of the Original L.E gloves.
Don't know the 808 and Players bats RRPs as they're both exclusive to 5 Star dealers, which we aren't yet (should be soon though)...
The Original LE gloves will be £90 RRP, and the Original LE bats are about £450 RRP. Original bats about £355, 909 around £270 and 606 £130. I'm not being exact here as I actually only have the trade prices and am multiplying up using the usual percentage and then rounding up, so in some cases there may be a small discrepancy...
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Thanks Paul, L.E gloves might be last on my gloves priority list then haha
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In other news, we have just placed our GM stock order for next year. If you check the "new arrivals" page on our website late tonight / tomorrow, it should be up there for pre-order, as is the case for the Slazenger and GN bats currently...
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The Argon, in particular, is worth checking out when I've uploaded the details to our site later this evening. Their grips have undergone a face lift, and they're even more striking now - nice to see a flash, modern looking GM bat for a change!
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Thanks for the info Paul
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The Argon, in particular, is worth checking out when I've uploaded the details to our site later this evening. Their grips have undergone a face lift, and they're even more striking now - nice to see a flash, modern looking GM bat for a change!
Yes the grip has became a light green, I have been stickering them this week and they are becoming my favorite now with the Octane (http://www.gm-cricket.com/upload/products/imagery/secondary/psi399.jpg)
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http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/gunn-moore-argon-dxm-original-limited-edition-cricket-bat-p490
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And the Octanes are up now too: http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/gunn-moore-octane-f2-dxm-original-cricket-bat-p492
http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/gunn-moore-octane-f2-dxm-909-cricket-bat-p493
I definitely think that, with the exception of the Zona, the stickers on the GM bats are a lot nicer for 2013...
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Aww you went with the flat faced version!
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The octane only comes in flat faced I believe
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Apologies, Thought the Octane and Argon did!
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Yes, the only flat faced GM we are stocking will be the Octane, which only comes in a flat face, as Liam said. The Argon will come in a flat face, too, but we've decided to go easy on the flat faces and focus more on the traditional round faces for 2013, so we'll only be stocking the regular (F7) Argon...
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Discontinued Flare?! :O
that was a surprise!
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Discontinued Flare?! :O
that was a surprise!
I agree, Uzair! I don't think they gave the Halo a fair shot either (just one year!)
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I agree, Uzair! I don't think they gave the Halo a fair shot either (just one year!)
I agree with you.
I had always thought Flare got them good market, quite surprising moves by GM this year
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It was no real surprise that the Flare was discontinued to be honest, it had been out for a few years - especially as watson wasn't using it anymore I guess sales dropped a bit.
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It was no real surprise that the Flare was discontinued to be honest, it had been out for a few years - especially as watson wasn't using it anymore I guess sales dropped a bit.
A few people I knew who were going to get flares opted for icons instead since they pick up so well.
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A few people I knew who were going to get flares opted for icons instead since they pick up so well.
that's a point, for such a high middled bat the flare's didn't pickup too well.
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A few people I knew who were going to get flares opted for icons instead since they pick up so well.
Agree with you there, not the best balanced bat I have picked up.
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Do you think this is mainly down to the concaving, then? They both have high middles, but the Icon is, of course, concaved, unlike the Flare - perhaps a good example that this theory about concaving aiding pick-up is actually true?
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Not sure its purely about the concaving issue, its just that the Icon does pick up exceptionally well whereas the Flare picks up like a lump of wood (which, to be fair, is pretty much what it is!)
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Not sure its purely about the concaving issue, its just that the Icon does pick up exceptionally well whereas the Flare picks up like a lump of wood (which, to be fair, is pretty much what it is!)
Thats cleared that up!
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Thats cleared that up!
as clear as mud - what I mean is, the design of the Flare is such that by common consensus it picks up like a railway sleeper, so it is not simply a case of the Icon being concaved making the big difference!
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I have a pet theory that bats with higher spines pickup better. The Flare is a fairly chunky edged bat, similar to a higher middled Tendulkar bat. Whereas your standard Icon has more modest edges but a little more of a spine thanks to the concaving.
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I have a pet theory that bats with higher spines pickup better. The Flare is a fairly chunky edged bat, similar to a higher middled Tendulkar bat. Whereas your standard Icon has more modest edges but a little more of a spine thanks to the concaving.
possibly true - I have an alternate theory that convex bats such as the Flare pick up badly!
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Theory goes that the more wood running down the line of the hands/handle the better. Putting wood towards the edges means weight is further "off centre" and the bat feels heavier than it should. Same reason a low middle bat feels worse to pickup than a high middled bat - the majority of wood has been moved down the blade away from your hands. I had a scoop for a while and couldn't get the hang of the pickup at all, just didn't feel right, that's the ultimate edge bat. Likewise, I have a GM Icon+ which weighs 2'10 and recently purchased a bat with a bigger edges/less spine/lower middle and though it weighs 2'7 the pickup isn't much different. I'm sure somebody will slap me down for this logic but I'm probably more fussy than some about pickup.
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nah, your logic seems reasonable enough as it goes.
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as clear as mud - what I mean is, the design of the Flare is such that by common consensus it picks up like a railway sleeper, so it is not simply a case of the Icon being concaved making the big difference!
I agree with this. The Flare is horrible.
Theory goes that the more wood running down the line of the hands/handle the better. Putting wood towards the edges means weight is further "off centre" and the bat feels heavier than it should.
Which is fine, except that the Icon has decent sized edges and so the weight of the wood is further off centre than in a bat with thin edges... ???
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which is true compared to a thin edged bat but the comparison here is to a Flare.
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and anything picks up well compared to a Flare!
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Surely the middle position is a deciding factor in how a bat picks up? I'm thinking about an Amplus here specifically, I couldn't believe how well they pick up for such a heavy bat?
Then again identical bats sometimes pickup differently....why's that?
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Surely the middle position is a deciding factor in how a bat picks up? I'm thinking about an Amplus here specifically, I couldn't believe how well they pick up for such a heavy bat?
Then again identical bats sometimes pickup differently....why's that?
Counterbalancing possibly?
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and anything picks up well compared to a Flare!
Like.
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Then again identical bats sometimes pickup differently....why's that?
different willow density and varying moisture content?
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different willow density and varying moisture content?
I was thinking that but if both bats are made to the same weight the lower density cleft would still be a little larger profile wise so they wouldn't be identical after all would they? Or would they? I don't know.........!
All I really know is that no two bats pickup the same whether they've come from a machine or not...a handmade bat is more explainable as there will be differences that may not be immediately obvious but a machine made one will always be the same........won't it?
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Machine made? - Not necessarily - it's a natural material and the end product, or even the original cleft - and handle - would be weighed as a whole and maybe not checked to see where most of the weight is concentrated. Just as you can get bats with identical dimensions that will have different weights, you could get a cleft that has more 'weight' in one area than another. However, in respect of the handle material - cane - when using it for other purposes I've checked density via flotation. Some cane sinks, some floats, and weirdly - some sinks at one end and floats at the other, which suggests there is more weight concentrated at one end, even though the dimensions were the same along the piece. So maybe if the handle, by fluke, had cane that was slightly heavier at the top, you might get a very subtle counterbalance enhanced pick up?
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What about the handle, if you get a flimsy handle won't it feel heavier? Sure this is the problem with my 2012 MH distinction.,.. Feels 3 or 4lbs heavy than the 2010 low middle version
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Weight distribution would also come into play surely?
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What about the handle, if you get a flimsy handle won't it feel heavier? Sure this is the problem with my 2012 MH distinction.,.. Feels 3 or 4lbs heavy than the 2010 low middle version
3-4lbs:O
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Its not necessary that the moisture content throughout the cleft will be same. Some clefts are more densed higher up the cleft (closer to the handle) so that means pickup would be lighter compared to one that has higher density lower down the cleft.
If that made any sense :S
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Aha! A few posts deleted here since i last looked methinks! Did wonder about such a strong reaction!
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Fat Argon for Fat Sam.
Edge branding looks pants.
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Fat Argon for Fat Sam.
Edge branding looks pants.
In all fairness, looks like he has compiled a good innings!
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I was at a sports shop today and the octane f2 is without doubt the best profiled bat I have picked up in a long long time.
I picked up a 2lb 10oz one today in Harrogate if it was not for my wife saying no it would be here with me.
wow what a pick up on the bat totally balanced and I did try the 6 out of the shop and all balanced well I normally use 2lb 6 to 8oz but I could easily I use this one and it was a 707 and on sale for 120
What a shape
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Fat Sam.
(all together now....)......put the fork down!
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I was at a sports shop today and the octane f2 is without doubt the best profiled bat I have picked up in a long long time.
I picked up a 2lb 10oz one today in Harrogate if it was not for my wife saying no it would be here with me.
wow what a pick up on the bat totally balanced and I did try the 6 out of the shop and all balanced well I normally use 2lb 6 to 8oz but I could easily I use this one and it was a 707 and on sale for 120
What a shape
really not helpful! I love that shape too but have no need for another bat.
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Well compared to the kookaburra shapes all of them there very ordinary but the octane is simple brilliant the downswing the pickup the feel in the hand it was that good £120 quid for a 8 straight grains no blemishes and she said no unless I sell one if my others..
And she got a rab jacket out of me
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I was trying a couple of 606 Argon's in allrounder this week. Felt a very big bat for the weight. Not convinced on the pickup of either the Octane or Argon, but the only Octane they had was a little on the heavy side for me. Isn't the Octane a little Laver-ish in profile?
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You got me there it is but it feels more roundish in profile and the ones I picked up felt nice.
They hardly had competition though the menace and the ricochet there where poor at best sometimes we forget how spoilt we are on here.
The argon felt ok but the octane is the one I could possibly buy if I move one on
Which one to sell to get it
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you have a few options, I'm sure ;)
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Not realy nick with the chase custom on route to Canada I'am left with. 2 Ss my b3 and another chase and the kg coming oh and my laver .
There simply not enough money to afforded all the bats I want.
The octane though is a cracker in terms of profile for me
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Not realy nick with the chase custom on route to Canada I'am left with. 2 Ss my b3 and another chase and the kg coming oh and my laver .
6 bats? Are they all that good?
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Nope the Ss and b3 are top top class the chase is very good the other Ss is ok the kg I don't know not arrived yet and the laver is my older classic.
I do not tend to collect bats I have whittled them down might sell one or two of the above and get a octane then just stick with them :D
So I say
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I was at a sports shop today and the octane f2 is without doubt the best profiled bat I have picked up in a long long time.
I picked up a 2lb 10oz one today in Harrogate if it was not for my wife saying no it would be here with me.
wow what a pick up on the bat totally balanced and I did try the 6 out of the shop and all balanced well I normally use 2lb 6 to 8oz but I could easily I use this one and it was a 707 and on sale for 120
What a shape
Octane is my favourite new profile for 2013. We having a stonking 808 in stock at the moment.
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Good to hear the good comments
The argon f2 is my favorite at the moment due to the size of them
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Same shop monkhouses of Harrogate same bat octane f2 707 the wife even had it in here hands and I told here no. I settled for a bag from sports direct I feel sad it still in the shop I must be ill.