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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Six Sixes Cricket on August 29, 2012, 04:31:04 AM
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So with 2 press conferences scheduled for today, it anticipated that Andrew Strauss is to resign as England captain.
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Every time my boys come to town England loose there skipper.. He has been fantastic for England and I'm sure he will be missed.
As for KP I think he should do the same and hang his international boots up to..
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34 years old, diminishing force as a batsman, fallout from the KP incident - sort of seemed inevitable. Have a lot of respect for him as a cricketer and a captain.
Cook is the obvious choice to take over as skipper, but who is next in line to take the opening position?
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Is he going to resign? Perhaps he will be passing comment on the KP issue?
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34 years old, diminishing force as a batsman, fallout from the KP incident - sort of seemed inevitable. Have a lot of respect for him as a cricketer and a captain.
Cook is the obvious choice to take over as skipper, but who is next in line to take the opening position?
Trott, with Bell at 3
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Hope he resigns and Broad does to, that boy is so over-rated It's untrue!!!
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Who's in line to open? Root/Carberry
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Trott will open in India, Bell at 3. Which leaves either KP or Morgan coming back into the team in my opinion, they may even play 2 spinners. I very much doubt they would put fresh blood in on the tour of India
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Trott will open in India, Bell at 3. Which leaves either KP or Morgan coming back into the team in my opinion, they may even play 2 spinners. I very much doubt they would put fresh blood in on the tour of India
Opens the door for a Patel/Tredwell I guess, if they go with 5 bowlers, if not then there's no way Kp will get the nod.
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Hope he resigns and Broad does to, that boy is so over-rated It's untrue!!!
Don't agree with that at all, under Strauss' captaincy Broad has taken 140 wickets in 38 games at 27.74, I'd say that's a little better than "over-rated". And in his last 16 tests he's taken 73 @ 25.3. As well as averaging 25.3 with the bat. Was our best bowler in the UAE, give him a break.
Also, on the Strauss thing, are we sure its a retirement/resigning from captaincy, and not just talking about the KP issue?
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Don't agree with that at all, under Strauss' captaincy Broad has taken 140 wickets in 38 games at 27.74, I'd say that's a little better than "over-rated". And in his last 16 tests he's taken 73 @ 25.3. As well as averaging 25.3 with the bat. Was our best bowler in the UAE, give him a break.
Also, on the Strauss thing, are we sure its a retirement/resigning from captaincy, and not just talking about the KP issue?
That's nice that you don't agree with me mate, like I said its my opinion and nobody else's. It's a public forum so that us the the public can air out own views
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I hope it's a case of Strauss retiring than resigning, if you get my drift. It seems 34/35 is the point many good players start to struggle (Gooch, Tendulkar and Kallis being exceptions). I'd hate to see him resign and then get dropped! In my honest opinion he has done nothing to warrant resigning. As a few have said it might be something else, could even be KP quitting international cricket.
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strauss is going to step down that's why the top brass (hugh morris) are out and giles clarke at derbys today
it's a damn shame and too soon. yes,he has had a lean year but he can get his form back and he is the man to lead England in India in my opinion
all those taking pleasure from today(not neccessarily on this forum) remember back to what he took over and the 1980's and 90's when we were a laughing stock.
I hope KP goes and plays for south africa or retires himself and takes the money in 300 2020 tournaments which is all he is interested in.
just my opinion :)
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Doesn't it however look bad on Struass that really the first time its ever got tough for him as a captain he's stepped down (if that is what happens)
All captains that are in for a long period of time have to deal with the bad along with the good but just seems that as soon as Struass as hit the bad time that he's now quit.
Doesn't look good on him IMO
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Strauss has been a great captain and has been a great leader. His leadership has been followed up with early results and the full backing of a management team behind him. The players that have been in the squad have performed some of there best cricket under him.
But the year at the top has been a difficult ride of which SA should have had the no1 spot before they arrived in England if it wasn't for a washout test with NZ.
Strauss is aging, the form that got him to the top is in bits, with flashes of the old Strauss. But unfortunately he has to go as the India tour maybe the true unveiling of him.
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I seriously don't think that Strauss is the quitting type, personally I don't see him resigning and will be gutted is he does, he's done an excellent job of leading this team, although this year has been very tough. I get this feeling this whole press conference will be to put the KP situation to bed once and for all.
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strauss is going to step down that's why the top brass (hugh morris) are out and giles clarke at derbys today
it's a damn shame and too soon. yes,he has had a lean year but he can get his form back and he is the man to lead England in India in my opinion
all those taking pleasure from today(not neccessarily on this forum) remember back to what he took over and the 1980's and 90's when we were a laughing stock.
I hope KP goes and plays for south africa or retires himself and takes the money in 300 2020 tournaments which is all he is interested in.
just my opinion :)
His average has hovered around the 30 mark in 2010,11 and 12. That's a bit more than a lean year!
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I think he's quitting because he has lost his batting. Not because he lost against SA, not because a lack of form but he just hasn't got it anymore, and I think he knows this. If you saw him against Morkel and Philander he looked well out of his depth, so I think he is doing the right thing by quitting now rather than going on and watching his average drop below 40 and be remembered as a failed batsman rather than a great captain (which he still is)
I think Cook will be excellent though, roll on Captain Cook :)
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Its a shame if he does quit as this is the first really poor year I remember him having.
Look at the crap Athers and Nass battled through and the battering from the press as well.
Strauss has another good year in him and most importantly the respect of all his players bar one.
I hope that the Press Conf is about KP and not Strauss retiring because most people will assume that this is linked. I cant see Strauss as the type who will pack it in easily.
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Personally, whether Strauss does A, B or C. I think the KP issue will be resolved today, he scored the 100 yesterday and professionals of this calibre don't like things hovering for days on end as we all know.
They always say retire on a high, but he's a week too late! Haha :)
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Its a shame if he does quit as this is the first really poor year I remember him having.
Look at the crap Athers and Nass battled through and the battering from the press as well.
Strauss has another good year in him and most importantly the respect of all his players bar one.
Strauss' career was almost over in 2007. He was dropped and then came back for the NZ Tests that winter. He was still really struggling until he made 177 in the Third Test to save his career.
He's honest - if he doesn't think he can cut it then he'll fall on his sword on his own terms.
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Going to have a fairly inexperienced team against India if he does quit. Won't be easy for Cook as his first series as captain.
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indeed Sam,that's what we want to avoid as England fans
but straussy will go today and retire from all forms i reckon
ms dhoni lost 4-0 and 4-0 against us and the aussies and kept his job.
straussy has struggled it's true against top bowling and SA are world class.there's no let up at the top of the order. im not saying the captain does not need to contribute with the bat but at club level we says captaincy is 50 per cent of the job,whatever else you do,batting or bowling is the other 50 per cent.
but strauss will go down as one of our best ever captains who got us from 51 all out in Jamaica to the worlds best side. not for long agreed but we were number 1.
it's too early for Cook to skipper IMO
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His averages by year
year 2004 60.68
year 2005 35.86
year 2006 39.65
year 2007 28.80
year 2008 48.60
year 2009 53.27
year 2010 34.57
year 2011 28.72
year 2012 33.19
So he hasn't really cut the mustard purely as a batsman since 09, that's a long time ago!
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people forget that Strauss owed his early test career to Hussain falling on his sword in 2004. After debut, the following test they would've had to drop him or Tresco (who I think was injured but it might of been sicknote Vaughan) to fit Strauss in - despite scoring a ton and being robbed of another. Hussain, who scored a ton (and running strauss out on 70 odd) promptly retired to avoid this happening. I wouldn't be surprised if Bairstow socring runs at Lords has triggered it more than anything.
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You all know I am pro a change in captaincy at this juncture; Strauss is not really worth a place with the bat at the moment and has seemed to go a it flat, whilst presiding over what I would characterise as a disintegrating dressing room culture.
Cook to replace him? Not convinced, but we're not awash with other choices.
As opener? Long term - ie from NZ onward - it has to be Root. Short term, I think they may well go with Trott, move Bell to 3, KP ack at four and Bairstow five, with Prior ahead of one or two all rounders (Bresnan and Patel would be the defensive option, though I'd prefer a second genuine spinner like Rafiq or Kerrigan)
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I don't think India is the most testing place to open the batting so I wouldn't be surprised if Root gets a go, leaving the rest of the order as they are. The balance of the team will be the key thing - anderson, broad, finn, swann and monty are your best 5 bowlers but do you give chubby Samit a go instead of monty , play a batter instead of Finn and use 2 seamers? Peo.ple forget Prior averages 40 in tests and could easily bat 6.
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Here's one - Prior to give up gloves and captain. Bairstow keeps, Woakes at 7
I don't think Bairstow is good enough at keeping to do it at test match level, yes batting but not keeping.
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Cook has arrived at Lords with Strauss so pretty certain now that Strauss is giving up the captaincy and Cook is taking it over. The only issue will be whether Strauss hopes to continue as a player. Can't see it myself. 100 Tests, and having guided the side to number 1 in the world (albeit no longer) - it seems a very appropriate time to go.
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1. Root
2. Cook
3. Trott
4. Peitersen
5. Bell
6. Bairstow
7. Prior
8. Bresnan
9. Swann
10. Finn
11. Anderson
12. Broad
3 Seamers
1 Spinner
2 Part time spinners in KP and Root
1 part time seamer in Trott
Bell used to bowl a bit as well?
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Lets be honest, KP isn't going to play for England again and Broad is a much better player than Bresnan.
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And Trott will open with Cook if Strauss goes....Root is no where near good enough yet.
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I meant a bit more long term, maybe for NZ tests
Is Broad really better than Bresnan? I know who'd id rather have playing in my team
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Strauss has retired from all cricket :(
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I meant a bit more long term, maybe for NZ tests
Is Broad really better than Bresnan? I know who'd id rather have playing in my team
...Broad? ;)
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Wow, didn't expect him to retired from cricket completely!
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Neither did I. All I can say is thanks for the memories! Not many england captains can have double ashes winners and taking the team to the top of the world rankings on their CV's. I'll never forget the superman grab from 2005 ashes though...
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Hmmm your all overlooking the power and sway Adidas have with the ECB, Petersen is the Adidas poster boy for everywhere outside of India and they have a lot of money invested in him and they will be squeezing the ECB to get him reinstated as there is the Twenty/20 world cup and the ashes just around the corner and if Adidas continue to sponsor England and remain in cricket they will want their slice of it all.
In regards to Straussy a great captain and servant to English Cricket especially when you remember the state the national team was in when he stepped in and took the captaincy on, a damn shame he cant just have a nice long holiday play a bit of Grade cricket in Oz etc and work his way back till he is ready to take up the captaincy for the Ashes next year or the new Zealand series.
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Hmmm your all overlooking the power and sway Adidas have with the ECB, Petersen is the Adidas poster boy for everywhere outside of India and they have a lot of money invested in him and they will be squeezing the ECB to get him reinstated as there is the Twenty/20 world cup and the ashes just around the corner and if Adidas continue to sponsor England and remain in cricket they will want their slice of it all.
In regards to Straussy a great captain and servant to English Cricket especially when you remember the state the national team was in when he stepped in and took the captaincy on, a damn shame he cant just have a nice long holiday play a bit of Grade cricket in Oz etc and work his way back till he is ready to take up the captaincy for the Ashes next year or the new Zealand series.
Hmmm, I reckon you're getting the ECB mixed up with the BCCI. Adidas are tied in to a contract, and I can imagine there are 100s of other companies who would love to be the ECB kit sponsor. Would also imagine its a small part of the sponsorship income when compared to Sky and Brit Insurance. Can't imagine that they will have any input at all!
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The question is....would this have happened if it wasnt for Pietersen acting like a child?
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The question is....would this have happened if it wasnt for Pietersen acting like a child?
According to Strauss, yes,
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Sad to hear Strauss quit all form of cricket...so who is in line to replace him as the next opening batsman in Tests for England?
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Trott!
No one else is good enough for that position currently....
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Let's not make kp the scapegoat
Why is woakes not mentioned more by people he better than the Yorkshire man stealing a living
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Trott!
No one else is good enough for that position currently....
Trott would be a step in the wrong direction...dont see Trott being around for long either...good time to get a youngster in..
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Blimey Dave, you are pro KP aren't you. To be fair to Strauss, he has not been drawn on the KP issue despite being goaded by the press vultures lol.
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It's a shame Strauss' last shot was a very poor leave.
But a good player who captained a great team.
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A great captain that captained a great team, and right up there with the greats of English cricket. 21 centuries is no poor return!
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It's a shame Strauss' last shot was a very poor leave.
But a good player who captained a great team.
In fairness, that probably made up his mind.
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A great captain that captained a great team, and right up there with the greats of English cricket. 21 centuries is no poor return!
Hear, Hear!
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Yes Iam very kp I was there when he won us the ashes or warne did and I have seen him a few times and the guy is different gravy to anything I have ever seen and I have seen a lot
For me you pick your best side and kp is the best English batsman in my lifetime and if somebody going to be better in the rest I will be lucky
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Michael Carberry?
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Bring back rob key
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I heard Ramprakash is hoping for a call up...
Oh wait, that was last year :-[
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Trott would be a step in the wrong direction...dont see Trott being around for long either...good time to get a youngster in..
Don't think there is a player old/experienced enough.
Joe Root I think needs to be nurtured into the role, not thrust head first into the deep end.
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But do you pick KP when you know how much of a divisive influence he is on the dressing room. There's being disliked but respected (when people can deal with you), and there's being universally hated because your goals are so different to the teams. Would much rather have a team player who is going to buy into the team ethos, than a premadonna that just uses England cricket as a springboard to more money. Great player, yes... idiot, yes... team better without him, probably not... team better off without him, yes... dressing room a happier place that can move on, definitely!
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I heard Ramprakash is hoping for a call up...
Oh wait, that was last year :-[
LoL... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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But do you pick KP when you know how much of a divisive influence he is on the dressing room. There's being disliked but respected (when people can deal with you), and there's being universally hated because your goals are so different to the teams. Would much rather have a team player who is going to buy into the team ethos, than a premadonna that just uses England cricket as a springboard to more money. Great player, yes... idiot, yes... team better without him, probably not... team better off without him, yes... dressing room a happier place that can move on, definitely!
Is kp hated that much we all do not know the full facts
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LoL... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
What about flintoff? :D haha
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Well done to Strauss for making a brave call. Always liked him as a player and captain, has that sense of clam and authority about him. Regardless of who comes and who takes over the leadership I am sure Strauss will be missed by the English team... I am sure KP saga didn't help either...
To say that he quit when trouble arrived for the team is unfair, please don't hate me but English team was close to crap when he took over, he along with Flower built this team, off-course using the foundation laid by previous captains and coaches.
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Is kp hated that much we all do not know the full facts
Correct Dave, we don't all know the facts, but it could just as easy be the side of him being an ass which is right, not your version of events where everyone hates him because he's better than them.
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That not my version I know two thing one he has the ability to infuriate and another there always two sides to every story I shall call it texts and tweets
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Extremely sad day, he was not only a top player and a captain but a real gentelmen. He was one of most if not most finest blokes in cricket.
I'm sad to see him go, wish him all the best. I have nothing but respect for him. Can't think of anyone else being a better person than him in cricket.
You'll be missed!
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Extremely sad day, he was not only a top player and a captain but a real gentelmen. He was one of most if not most finest blokes in cricket.
I'm sad to see him go, wish him all the best. I have nothing but respect for him. Can't think of anyone else being a better person than him in cricket.
You'll be missed!
I completely agree, I caught a bit of the press conference and he came across very well, particularly when dodging the kp questions. I certainly have a lot more time for the likes of Strauss than the majority of footballers.
Cook did well too and hopefully can carry on the good work that Strauss and flower have started.
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Hey Dave you better rephrase that comment " As KP is the best South African batsman playing for England"
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I completely agree, I caught a bit of the press conference and he came across very well, particularly when dodging the kp questions. I certainly have a lot more time for the likes of Strauss than the majority of footballers.
Cook did well too and hopefully can carry on the good work that Strauss and flower have started.
I have lots of respect for Strauss, he is just amazing! I'm out of words for him really!
Cook is very good as well but Strauss was in different league altogether.
Likes of KP etc are clown compared to Strauss really.
His education background is law right?
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Interesting this, Strauss took three wickets in first class cricket I think. Look who is first was http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/77/77837.html
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lol
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What was everyone's favourite Strauss innings?
He obviously announced himself pretty early in his test career but this one has to be my favourite. Strauss at his classy best and only a year ago.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=--7lruL73C4
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easy that one
177 against NZ when he was going to be dropped after a poor run,showed the guts the man has
and perhaps we(england) would never of had the partnership of strauss and flower to take us to number 1 if he had been dropped
we will never know of course
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Interesting this, Strauss took three wickets in first class cricket I think. Look who is first was [url]http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/77/77837.html[/url]
What happened in the 2nd innings?!
Middlesex used 10 bowlers!
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Brave call from a brave cricketer. It is so refreshing for someone to know when to retire at the right time and give the younger guys an opportunity. Well done and maximum respect!
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My favourite Strauss innings has to be his ton v the Aussies at Old Trafford in 2005, basically becasue I was there for the entire innings. He copped a blow to the helmet from Brett Lee early doors and had to have a bandage on under his helmet for the rest of the innings.
After that initial blow, his hooking and pulling was sensational!
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My favourite Strauss innings has to be his ton v the Aussies at Old Trafford in 2005, basically becasue I was there for the entire innings. He copped a blow to the helmet from Brett Lee early doors and had to have a bandage on under his helmet for the rest of the innings.
After that initial blow, his hooking and pulling was sensational!
i was there too! don't remember too much of it though :D it was a great innings.
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His counter attacking inning with Cook at the Gabba 2010. Set up the whole series that did.
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His counter attacking inning with Cook at the Gabba 2010. Set up the whole series that did.
My favourite Strauss innings has to be his ton v the Aussies at Old Trafford in 2005, basically becasue I was there for the entire innings. He copped a blow to the helmet from Brett Lee early doors and had to have a bandage on under his helmet for the rest of the innings.
After that initial blow, his hooking and pulling was sensational!
Just had to remind me didn't you.. :(
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how about his 150 odd against India in the last World Cup? Or the 3 hundreds he scored in 2004/5 against SA? Gets on my nerves when the idiots commenting on cricinfo talk about him being an average batsman when he's scored runs against everybody in all parts of the globe.
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161 at Lords in the 2009 Ashes - this set up our first win against Aus at Lords for about 75 years!!
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how about his 150 odd against India in the last World Cup? Or the 3 hundreds he scored in 2004/5 against SA? Gets on my nerves when the idiots commenting on cricinfo talk about him being an average batsman when he's scored runs against everybody in all parts of the globe.
I gave up reading the comments on cricinfo along time ago because 99% of it is utter tripe
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I gave up reading the comments on cricinfo along time ago because 99% of it is utter tripe
I totally agree - with the 1% being
"perhaps KP can hire Strauss as his new agent"
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Strauss read Economics at Durham
Yes, the pride of the mighty Hatfield College, as was Nick Compton - and me! :)
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So that's why there's a cricket empire buiding up in south london... ;)
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Actually, the main reason I wanted to go to Durham was because of the high class cricket that they play there. Sadly, I was very much over-matched and nowhere near the required standard to play for the uni side! :( The rest, as they say, is history...
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For the record, and actually on topic this time, I would say that his 150 against India in the World Cup would be the stand-out for me. Especially because nobody felt he had the game to score so quickly. That was also against an India side that would go on to win the competition...
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For the record, and actually on topic this time, I would say that his 150 against India in the World Cup would be the stand-out for me. Especially because nobody felt he had the game to score so quickly. That was also against an India side that would go on to win the competition...
I'm with you there, I remember being in awe of that innings how easily he was able to found a boundary all around the ground every over. Then I was disappointed that he retired from One Day Cricket for England after that.
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Actually, the main reason I wanted to go to Durham was because of the high class cricket that they play there. Sadly, I was very much over-matched and nowhere near the required standard to play for the uni side! :( The rest, as they say, is history...
When I was at York I played for our 2nd team against Durham 2's as we'd been put in the same BUSA group. A complete mismatch, we got absolutely murdered. I can't remember his name but I think they had the England u19 captain at the time playing for them. I did manage to slap a couple of big sixes before bring caught at slip reverse sweeping, also got their opener out but I think that was the only wicket we got.