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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: steyn92 on January 03, 2013, 10:08:58 PM
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Any constructive criticism?
(It has been pointed out to me that I'm walking well out of the crease every shot)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05SFI11JOxM
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I've got absolutely no coaching qualifications or experience so might be talking rubbish but it looks to me like you're being dragged square on too much. Your back foot ends up coming round which leads me to think you're not balanced when playing your shot. I think Buzz mentions being as static as possible when playing the shot and I reckon this would help you.
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For me, you need to loosen up that bottom hand. This will help you play through the 'V', your bat is coming through strait, but the balls you are defending are going to the leg side when really, they (ideally) should be going back towards the bowler.
Then I'd work on the feet and keeping your balance, you, like myself are playing on the move when you play the ball.
My coach puts down 3 balls in a triangle and has me hit each one, I do this maybe 8 times on each ball.
Then he will do some drop feeds for me, keeping my back foot rooted to the floor, if it comes off the floor, I got running! :(
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Your more bothered about how you look style wise than playing the bloody ball hense poor balance.
Square back leg collapse I would have thought you struggle hitting rough cover.
Keep it simple less movement
I see you keep the diamond figure 9 arm position but your bottom half is doing it own thing leading to a twist.
If mixed bowling actions where batting you understand my point.??
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it also could be your bat twisting in your hands or you bat doesnt come through with a straight face when playing some shots, for example when you mean to play a shot offside and it goes leg side mate :)
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It because his front foot ponies to mid on at all times
Slow the film down mate look at a initial movement it your right hip turning.
There a very good player trying to get out I think
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Not still enough at point of release, and you have a horrible trigger movement with your back foot moving to the leg side and throwing your balance out, which means that your head goes outside the line of the ball and your front foot points to mid on to compensate. When the ball is inswinging, its bowling you because you're in absolutely no position to play the ball. The good shots are the ones where you get well forward, and head stays low with hands thrown through the ball!
Most important bit of coaching from me would be to stay still as long as possible, before dipping your head and leading with your shoulder to get a huge stride forward and throw your hands through the ball. THis should, make your foot go in the right place, and play the ball under your eyes.
Finally, get the feeder to slow the feeding down. Give yourself time to settle and rest a bit over the front foot.
I also fully agree with Dave that there is something about it, definitely some talent in there. Not seen many people look that good while at the same time not ;)
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looks to be all sorts going on
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I've been telling this chap for a year and a half to stop walking into the shot.
>:(
I genuinely believe his biggest problem is that his idol is KP, therefore he tries to bat like him. Which is fine if you have KP's natural talent and eye. However you can get in all sorts of trouble if you haven't.
Keep it simple DK!! And what Nickauger has said sounds extremely familiar!!
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Not greatest comparison pics wise, your head is falling in majority of your straight drives and whilst in that shot the head basically controls balance, so work on keeping your head up, which should also help you watch the ball right onto the bat! hope this helps!!!!
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My tip for you is go to drop feeds.
Draw 3 foot arks in front of you one one side one lef one central.
Get a mate to drop and just step and hit through the ball but you have to keep you front foot in the foot.
That where I would start
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Honestly Dave, I would go even further back than that, and just hit from a cone!
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Wow that's some exaggerated batting
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Wow that's some exaggerated batting
Reds he needs a lead to rein him in sometimes
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do what Nick and Procricket says.
there is a player in there not too far away.
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edited for being naughty, sorry buddy. Defo think about doing the things people have mentioned for a fair few hours and then review and see if you've changed. It's good that you now have a 'before' video though. Will make it so worthwhile when you do another video after training :)
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doesnt look to bad for a 13 year old
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I'm no coach but that's horrible. Where the hell are you trying to hit the ball? What is that back foot about?.
I'm thinking bowlers will have a field day against you if you bat like that.
Woah easy pal, constructive criticism was what was after. He's a young kid who clearly loves cricket and wants to learn. The motto of this forum is after all is love the game, share the knowledge lol.
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I'm no coach but that's horrible. Where the hell are you trying to hit the ball? What is that back foot about?.
I'm thinking bowlers will have a field day against you if you bat like that.
Fancy showing us your video ProCricketer1982?
Takes some balls to do this on an open forum.
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doesnt look to bad for a 13 year old
He's 14 I think. :D
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apologies.
It's coming Bird don't worry. Just won't load currently but it's on the computer. I'll be posting for comments too as no one is perfect :)
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My tip for you is go to drop feeds.
Draw 3 foot arks in front of you one one side one lef one central.
Get a mate to drop and just step and hit through the ball but you have to keep you front foot in the foot.
That where I would start
I was chucking it up and just in front of myself to try and simulate it in the garden several times last year, trying to stay still and not walk on the shot.
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oooo so close, thought he looked young
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No no no, you won't get a good position doing it like that ;) set 6 cones in a semi circle and hit drives off of them. Dip your head first and get your foot to the side of the ball. If you throw it up yourself you will not be still at any point.
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I'm no coach but that's horrible. Where the hell are you trying to hit the ball? What is that back foot about?.
I'm thinking bowlers will have a field day against you if you bat like that.
With all due to respect such comments shouldn't be posted, they don't help but just demoralize the player. You don't want that to happen, post constructive feedback which will help him as a player, that would be far more satiating that above post.
Apologies.
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oooo so close, thought he looked young
He's actually 20....
And nicknamed Warwick Davis
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If you throw it up yourself you will not be still at any point.
That's what went through my mind while writing it haha! I turned 20 in September so I'm not 14.
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Keep working on it mate keeping still.
There a tip I would like to pass to make it easier but it could cause problems elsewhere.
Work on feeling natural mate at the crease there enough to say there no reason you can not be a very very good player mate.
Work on the basics though leave the high elbow and fancying about get the basics right and the rest will fall into place
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Reds he needs a lead to rein him in sometimes
Nar fair play to him! Smash it lad
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Also, easy on the toe of that poor bat!
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Get yourself a coach/senior player at your club that you trust and value thier point if view and ask them to work with you. Couple of hours a week and you should see some rapid improvement.
Remember though you are a run scorer not a batsman. By that I mean work with you coach to find out what works for you. As long as you have the basics which you seem to have then you will be fine. No good looking the part and not scoring any runs. Give me Simon Katich over Ian bell any day of the week.
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Get yourself a coach/senior player at your club that you trust and value thier point if view and ask them to work with you. Couple of hours a week and you should see some rapid improvement.
Remember though you are a run scorer not a batsman. By that I mean work with you coach to find out what works for you. As long as you have the basics which you seem to have then you will be fine. No good looking the part and not scoring any runs. Give me Simon Katich over Ian bell any day of the week.
The_Bird on this forum is the person helping me as we're at the same club, even if it causes him to lose even more hair....... haha
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Might be worth adding that you started playing cricket at 16 as well bud, I'm not a coach but I've told you to keep it simple. You try to be KP with a huge flourish and try massive flamboyant drives on the up. Listen to the coaches comments on the forum and put them into practice.
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Might be worth adding that you started playing cricket at 16 as well bud
League cricket I started at 18, had played in school but that's useless as we played 2 games in 2 years!
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Nets tomorrow then for you 2 then haha. Next time you net try and bat for 1/2 hour without getting out. Ie if you are out your out. Concentrates the mind a bit and bit more of a match situation.
What number do you bat ?
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Nets tomorrow then for you 2 then haha. Next time you net try and bat for 1/2 hour without getting out. Ie if you are out your out.
1/2 hour!!! It's hard enough to do 6 balls mate.
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Nets tomorrow then for you 2 then haha. Next time you net try and bat for 1/2 hour without getting out. Ie if you are out your out. Concentrates the mind a bit and bit more of a match situation.
What number do you bat ?
3rd team: 3-5.
2nds: 7
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1/2 hour!!! It's hard enough to do 6 balls mate.
Ah ok !! More work required then coach !
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To me your bottom hand looks like it's positioned on the handle (the v running between the spine and the inside edge) so that it wants to constantly close the face of the bat.
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To me your bottom hand looks like it's positioned on the handle (the v running between the spine and the inside edge) so that it wants to constantly close the face of the bat.
Do you mean he is strangling the handle so to speak? My grip on the bottom hand is thumb and 2.5 fingers in backlift. Little finger does not touch the handle atall and next one up is only really resting
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remember you looked alright when we played you. about the only one or 2 out of your team who could actually hold a bat anyway ;)
@steyn92 obvs
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Hey Daniel, just a pre-warning, I have no coaching qualifications, and I have been a bowler for pretty much as long as I remember, and have only really been able to hold a bat for 2 seasons now! :-[ (Have improved quite a bit mind you!)
This pic is from your video, around 3:52 and is just before you get bowled. You end up with your head slightly out of line, and you get bowled trying to flick it. I think this is because you are walking into each shot, and may be what is causing the 'kick' towards point at the end of your shot. Maybe a thing to try is place 4 tennis balls on cones in front of you, and step towards each tennis ball, striking it towards the direction you are stepping in, making sure that you try not to kick your foot out. The reason for this is you play nice cover drives, but for some balls you could have hit towards cover, you ended up hitting to mid-on and mid-wicket. I think this is where head position is key, but also noticed that you tend to point your foot straight more often than not playing your shots.
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That ball you played towards cover. The tennis ball exercise could help with you pointing your foot to where you are generally going to hit the ball. I think it might also be the reason why if you look at the ball positions at the end of the video, most of them are in the midwicket region. Perhaps it could be because the 'walking into your shot' is causing you to square up on contact with the ball?
Anyways, I'm by no means a batsman, and I play at a relatively low standard, but it's just my view on things. :) Hope it helps!
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So Chad, how would you rectify the problem? You're bang on with your assertions as far as I'm concerned but what would be the major thing you would suggest working on? What would you be looking for when stepping towards the ball? Seems like you're pretty switched on with what you're looking for, and would make a good coach :)
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Hey Daniel, just a pre-warning, I have no coaching qualifications, and I have been a bowler for pretty much as long as I remember, and have only really been able to hold a bat for 2 seasons now! :-[ (Have improved quite a bit mind you!)
This pic is from your video, around 3:52 and is just before you get bowled. You end up with your head slightly out of line, and you get bowled trying to flick it. I think this is because you are walking into each shot, and may be what is causing the 'kick' towards point at the end of your shot. Maybe a thing to try is place 4 tennis balls on cones in front of you, and step towards each tennis ball, striking it towards the direction you are stepping in, making sure that you try not to kick your foot out. The reason for this is you play nice cover drives, but for some balls you could have hit towards cover, you ended up hitting to mid-on and mid-wicket. I think this is where head position is key, but also noticed that you tend to point your foot straight more often than not playing your shots.
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That ball you played towards cover. The tennis ball exercise could help with you pointing your foot to where you are generally going to hit the ball. I think it might also be the reason why if you look at the ball positions at the end of the video, most of them are in the midwicket region. Perhaps it could be because the 'walking into your shot' is causing you to square up on contact with the ball?
Anyways, I'm by no means a batsman, and I play at a relatively low standard, but it's just my view on things. :) Hope it helps!
Yeah it's a good analysis
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As a bowler I see either a nick to 1st-2nd slip or bowled between the gate.... i can't help you with how to improve but only suggestion i would make based on the pics...
1 - front foot not moving towards the ball / direction you wish to hit the ball in (more so in pic two)
2 - massive gap between bat and pad, most likely due to point #1 as your upper body is moving away while the lower body is planted to get to the ball.
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So Chad, how would you rectify the problem? You're bang on with your assertions as far as I'm concerned but what would be the major thing you would suggest working on? What would you be looking for when stepping towards the ball? Seems like you're pretty switched on with what you're looking for, and would make a good coach :)
Haha really? I have no idea with this kind of stuff, so I don't know if there is a correct approach. I do know that working on one thing at a time works best though, as it can get frustrating trying to sort everything out at once! The main thing in batting IMO is not giving away your wicket, so the thing I would work on is the follow through of the shot. I would aim to get the batsman not to walk out his crease, as this will lead to stumpings. How I would do this, I'm not entirely sure, but it does seem almost like a stumble into the 'kick', which suggests to me there's an issue with balance. I actually used to have a big problem with my back leg moving all over the place before and after the shot. I would get the batsman to do a drill in his own spare time, as this is what I did to help with my balance. I would visualise balls pitching in various lines of a full length, and take a step out towards the ball, ensuring I was leading with my head, landing on my heel and rocking onto my toes, trying to keep my back leg/foot as stationary as possible. Start with defensive shots then move onto check drives. Of course, you need to move your back foot, but the main aim of this drill was not to fall out of balance.
I could be horribly wrong, but found this helped myself with my problems! Then I would see if it helped at all then moved on from there. 8)
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If I was working with this player, i would start with grip stance and set up - work on that really hard for the first session and then look to getting the eyes (somepeople say head, I believe eyes as you watch the ball with them) moving inline to the ball and looking to get everything else to fall into place at that point.
the first part would be encouraging the player to stay still and balanced. It is much easier to see a moving ball if the eyes are still. The second part would be about the "topple". I would try to keep everything as simple as possible.
Realistically I would use a load of old tennis balls and a training bat if possible and work on the player's top hand most of all.
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We'll go down again soon I expect, and if Spielberg's still willing to record me I'll post it on here again.
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slightly off topic, but how many other st blazey lads are on here?
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slightly off topic, but how many other st blazey lads are on here?
4 as far as I'm aware
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haha probs the most prolific club in terms of members on the forum?
does kirwan post still?
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haha probs the most prolific club in terms of members on the forum?
does kirwan post still?
I don't know what his username is so can't tell you
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No he doesn't
Plenty to work on Dan
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Found the right thread now.
just out of interest. I am currently watching the recording of todays SA vs NZ test.. McCullum does the right foot thing like the OP does. I'd not seen it before and hadn't noticed McCullum doing it till today either. Pointless post I know but thought I'd share.
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Not all the time but he' done it 4 or 5 times so far.