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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: mussaduq on August 08, 2013, 12:22:50 PM
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We have talked about the most underrated international players, now I thought it would be time to discuss some of the most overrated international players !
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Satchin Tendulkar
Great in his day, but his time has passed sadly
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Andrew Symonds
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Broad
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Broad
He can't be, nobody rates him to begin with lol
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Maxwell, Rohit Sharma, Raina, Watson, Broad
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I agree that no one rates Broad but I agree with Watson, he is too much overrated and looking at his performances Agar is batting more better then him.
Gayle is also very overrated, what do you guys think ?
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Sangakkara in ODI/T20's until the last Champions trophy.
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watson broad rohit sharma sehwag dhoni (as a keeper and captain)
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Jade Dernbach! How did I forget him
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let's start a fight with Fros23 - Ian Bell lol - no seriously Broad, Watson, Narine, Ashwin, Hughes, Duminy
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I agree that no one rates Broad but I agree with Watson, he is too much overrated and looking at his performances Agar is batting more better then him.
Gayle is also very overrated, what do you guys think ?
To say Gayle is over rated is a fair point. He fails a lot, however when he comes off all is forgotten.
Broad is overrated, but only because everyone thinks so highly of him. The media see him as a match winner with bat and ball, however in reality he is a decent bowler then can bat a bit. I think the media have jumped on him as he has a good story - his dad played for england, still works within cricket, good looking lad who'll look alright on the back page.
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Broad, Dernbach, Bresnan, Bell, I Sharma, R Sharma, R Taylor, Hughes, Dwayne and Darren Bravo
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Vey surprised at some of the names that have popped up in this thread!
Tim Bresnan for me - too placid.
I think there are quite a few average cricketers floating around One Day International/Twenty20 cricket, but they don't make it into the test sides which seem to carry far fewer.
I'd go for Dwayne Bravo as another who's rated highly but doesn't seem to offer a great deal with bat or ball.
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Dernbach, Maxwell, Wade.
Broad either plays rubbish or brilliantly - he never just a decent game
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Andre Russell, during one of his domestic T20 games for Worcester I heard one of the commentators say they couldn't believe he had been left out of the Windies T20 squad. The man has one wicket and an economy rate of over 10 an over in international T20s!
The Bravo brothers, Afridi's batting and Shaun Marsh all feature high on the list.
From a domestic point of view the commentators always seem to hype up the leg spin of Max waller(Somerset) and Will Beer(sussex) but whenever I see them they don't turn it and aren't that consistent with line and length either.
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Andre Russell, during one of his domestic T20 games for Worcester I heard one of the commentators say they couldn't believe he had been left out of the Windies T20 squad. The man has one wicket and an economy rate of over 10 an over in international T20s!
The Bravo brothers, Afridi's batting and Shaun Marsh all feature high on the list.
From a domestic point of view the commentators always seem to hype up the leg spin of Max waller(Somerset) and Will Beer(sussex) but whenever I see them they don't turn it and aren't that consistent with line and length either.
The problem I have with what you are saying is that you are looking at these players on their T20 record. T20 games can be won or lost in a 4 over patch. These players you have mentioned don't look good on paper with the whole of their T20 career there, however all have the ability to win matches by bowling a great spell or hitting a quick 30/40.
I don't think you should judge how good a player is on their T20 record alone.
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Satchin Tendulkar
Great in his day, but his time has passed sadly
I dare you to post this on a thread on the cricinfo website!
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How about Prior, I think he's overrated as well. They say he's the best WK batsmen in the world !
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The problem I have with what you are saying is that you are looking at these players on their T20 record. T20 games can be won or lost in a 4 over patch. These players you have mentioned don't look good on paper with the whole of their T20 career there, however all have the ability to win matches by bowling a great spell or hitting a quick 30/40.
I don't think you should judge how good a player is on their T20 record alone.
I only mentioned T20 with regards to Russell, and with a top score in international T20 of 23* he can't have had too many good 4 over stints!
The others all relate to all formats as I have heard plenty of people suggest Marsh should come back into the test side despite only managing something like 1 first class hundred in the last 2 seasons.
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How about Prior, I think he's overrated as well. They say he's the best WK batsmen in the world !
Are you serious! :o
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I only mentioned T20 with regards to Russell, and with a top score in international T20 of 23* he can't have had too many good 4 over stints!
The others all relate to all formats as I have heard plenty of people suggest Marsh should come back into the test side despite only managing something like 1 first class hundred in the last 2 seasons.
I think it's a little early to be judging Will beer in other formats of the game. The guy has 6 FC games to his name. With time a decent leggie in a 4 day game has the potential to rip through teams in the last innings. Not to mention he scores a fair amount of runs in the 2 XI.
Russell hasn't set the world on fire, but I can't remember that top core innings of his. It could have been a match winning knock.
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Ishant Sharma, JP Duminy and Ross Taylor would be my candidates.
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Shane Watson.
The End...
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Samit Patel & Kieron Pollard...
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To say Tendulkar is overrated is quite hilarious.
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Ross Taylor overrated? Please...
The guy plays in a weak Kiwi side. Average 42. If he played in a stronger side, where he wasn't the only world class batsman, his average would be 50.
Taylor would get into any side in the world, including South Africa.
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Jp Duminy is not overrated ! And yeah I am serious about Prior, no real performances in the ashes so far !
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Jp Duminy is not overrated ! And yeah I am serious about Prior, no real performances in the ashes so far !
So you're basing Prior being overrated on 3 tests...
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I rate rohit sharma looks like he's getting more and more mature as a player.
Dwayne bravo strikes me as someone who I feel is massively overrated
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So you're basing Prior being overrated on 3 tests...
The same Prior who scored 73 and 110* to secure a pretty incredible draw in NZ recently. Overrated surely means someone that is hyped up and doesn't deliver?
Matt prior has delivered on countless occasions for England. I suppose Micheal Clarke was overrated before his recent ton if we are going on the 'Judge someone on the last 3 tests innings and ignore what has happened before' theory.
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26 test match 50's suggests he's doing his job perfectly batting at 7
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Why had no-one mentioned KP?
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gerry sa,
your comment doesn't make sense. If he bats in a team with stronger players his average would be better.....???? if this is true than the opposite is also true. if he played in a weaker team i.e zimbabwe then his average would go down.
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forgot to say. i think watson is the most overrated player playing at the moment.
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gerry sa,
your comment doesn't make sense. If he bats in a team with stronger players his average would be better.....???? if this is true than the opposite is also true. if he played in a weaker team i.e zimbabwe then his average would go down.
Taylor averages 42 with 8 hundreds.
The next best is McCullum with an average of 35 with 6 hundreds.
There's very little depth in the Kiwis batting.
Williamson is a great prospect and Ryder was a world class player but he's got issues.
Taylor often digs NZ out. Hence why he's averaging 40+
If he played for South Africa, he can share the burden of scoring the runs. Less pressure would mean he can play for freely.
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Rahane is the most overrated IMO.
He was hailed as a batting genius, new Tendulkar, Gavaskar etc.
Averaged 67 in FC. Got found out on an A team tour of the Caribbean. Couldn't handle the pace or bounce of the young West Indians.
Modest ODI record. And looked very average on Test debut
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Not really sure if anybody rates him but as it gives me an excuse to vent my dislike for him, George Bailey.
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Rahane is the most overrated IMO.
He was hailed as a batting genius, new Tendulkar, Gavaskar etc.
Averaged 67 in FC. Got found out on an A team tour of the Caribbean. Couldn't handle the pace or bounce of the young West Indians.
Modest ODI record. And looked very average on Test debut
Not the worst shout. I remember when he first started playing for India people thought that he would be the next big thing. Both he and Rohit Sharma have failed to live up to their supposed potential.
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forgot to say. i think watson is the most overrated player playing at the moment.
Watson is struggling with the bat, but I think as an added seamer he does a good job. Having said that though you're not picking your opening bat/middle order guys on whether you can get a few overs out of them here and there during a Test. Watson's downfall will always be his conversion rate, he needs more centuries to prove his class.
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Jp Duminy is not overrated ! And yeah I am serious about Prior, no real performances in the ashes so far !
I don't think that you can base a players career on three tests. If we're doing that does that mean Ravi Bopara's three test hundreds in a row vs WI mean he should be England's number 3 batsman? Prior is just not in form, every batsman goes through stages no matter how good you are. All MP needs is a quickfire score at the end of the innings which he is known for to kick start his form and I'm sure he'll be back to his usual self.
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not judging him by 3 tests, I still think he's overrated !
B.Mccullum is a great batsmen but he's also overrated.
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Just had a quick scan through this thread... Some guys just don't have a clue :D
Prior - Over rated? I don't think so...
Tendulkar - Over rated? You have got to be kidding me.....
JP Duminy - Over rated? Really....
Gayle (force) Over rated - Might fail some times but you live by the sword you die by the sword....
Ian Bell - Come on guys.....
Ravi Bopara - Fantastic all rounder if his head is in the game.....
As for all the rest of the guys mentioned I would agree.....
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M S Dhoni all the way......being an indian I can feel it....when the team wins Dhoni won us the game won us the world cups...and when the team looses...Rahul dravid didnt play well VVS, VIRU didnt perform
And no one notices him....
Man he sucks..mif we think of him as a player..in my view an average talent with good average only bdcause of his batting position
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And for those who say sachin tendulkar is overrated....I dont know what to say....
This consistency for 24 years....that guy is genius...holds 99% of batting records to his name....fulfilling indian expectations for so long...and I can tell indian expectations can get reallly harsh at times....
There was a time(1995-1999) when india used to win only when sachin performed...
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Taylor averages 42 with 8 hundreds.
The next best is McCullum with an average of 35 with 6 hundreds.
There's very little depth in the Kiwis batting.
Williamson is a great prospect and Ryder was a world class player but he's got issues.
Taylor often digs NZ out. Hence why he's averaging 40+
If he played for South Africa, he can share the burden of scoring the runs. Less pressure would mean he can play for freely.
I agree. Definitely helps if your in a stronger team. being surrounded by success helps you succeed. He has been surrounded by rubbish for most of his career. England, SA and India are lucky in that their openers are so strong. I feel sorry for Williamson and Taylor having to bat behind our top 2.
I don't think Taylor is overrated. I dont think anyone really rates him up there with the best in the world. Still Id be happy with an average of 42.
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not judging him by 3 tests, I still think he's overrated !
B.Mccullum is a great batsmen but he's also overrated.
Overrated? That's crazy. His batting average at no.7 is over the World Class mark of 40 so as a batsman I would say that he is NOT overrated!!! As a keeper he may be! His keeping used to be average but he has worked hard and is now a decent keeper.
And ST has also more than proved himself! I rate him as one of the best batsman ever! Is he as good as he was? No! But his figures speak for themselves!
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Overrated? That's crazy. His batting average at no.7 is over the World Class mark of 40 so as a batsman I would say that he is NOT overrated!!! As a keeper he may be! His keeping used to be average but he has worked hard and is now a decent keeper.
And ST has also more than proved himself! I rate him as one of the best batsman ever! Is he as good as he was? No! But his figures speak for themselves!
I'm with you on this one! Prior is class, end of story.
Judging by what some people on here are saying they seem to this chopping and changing the side if a player goes 3 tests without a 100 or 5 wicket haul. This will not benefit the side at all in the long run.
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How about Prior in ODI's then, average is about 24 !
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You want ODI's? That will be Dhoni who is amongst the best in ODI's.
Sorry but I was talking about (proper) Test match cricket.....that's what I judge on!!
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In any format a player can be overrated ! Prior no doubt has great batting abilities but still think he's a bit overrated.
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So what you are saying is that he is not overrated in Tests, but he is overrated in ODIs?
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I don't know how anyone can say Sachin is overrated. 100 x 100's speaks for itself really.
Watson is the most overrated in my honest opinion
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How about Prior in ODI's then, average is about 24 !
So he's overrated in a form he doesn't play in, genius mate!
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How about Prior in ODI's then, average is about 24 !
Prior hasn't played a odi in ages. And yes, Proper Test cricket is what players should be judged on.
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Chris Gayle averages 43 in tests with 15
Hundreds one a huge triple century and has 21 ODI hundreds, 6th best in the history of the game.
So he is clearly a very good cricketer. Being overrated is someone who cannot back up the hype.
Is he being judged on IPL? That's a very poor parameter to judge someone on.
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He's also overrated in test match cricket ! Sachin is not overrated, he's a legend.
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I going to go with this, there hardly any decent glovemen at international level Prior has worked hard with his and done well no better.
His batting is up there with any main line batsman batsman in test cricket and the reason he is in the side.
Yes his keeping has improved but when you watch a Read or Foster or the much maligned Bates (sorry only know of the Aussie lad and the Sri Lankan) his keeping is still only average in the scheme of things but in the era of batsman keeper like Gilchrist who was not the greatest keeper either he is world class in his field because cricket changed.
Dhoni well is a winner plain and simple classic in either batting or keeping he isn't but a great mind and he has ability with both the bat and gloves like Prior does.
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I do think that Watson is a very decent all-rounder!
His ODI and T20 statistics are excellent! And his bowling in Tests are decent too!
The only issue with Watson is that he is NOT an opening Test batsman!!! Absolutely no way!
But as I have said before, slot him in that number 6 slot, and he offers an attractive package (in a totally non-gay way!)
I would even go as far to say, that I would happily play him in the England line-up at number 6 bat and change bowler!
So overrated only as an opening bat IMO.
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I do think that Watson is a very decent all-rounder!
His ODI and T20 statistics are excellent! And his bowling in Tests are decent too!
The only issue with Watson is that he is NOT an opening Test batsman!!! Absolutely no way!
But as I have said before, slot him in that number 6 slot, and he offers an attractive package (in a totally non-gay way!)
I would even go as far to say, that I would happily play him in the England line-up at number 6 bat and change bowler!
So overrated only as an opening bat IMO.
I rate Watson too. Seems like the old 'round hole, square peg' issue. Watson would get in every international side at 6 as an all rounder. Opening however I think you need a different mindset and a different type of game.
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Watson is overrated but he is a classy batsman with those big booming drives.
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He's also overrated in test match cricket ! Sachin is not overrated, he's a legend.
Have you been drinking?? So Prior is overrated on Tests? I have noticed from other posts that you have made other pointless and unsubstantiated claims too!
Are you seriously saying that someone who is decent with the gloves and averages over 43 in Tests batting at number 7 is overrated? He is not the best ever, granted. But please explain how he is overrated?
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I think Mussadaq is trolling hard Pete
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Have you been drinking?? So Prior is overrated on Tests? I have noticed from other posts that you have made other pointless and unsubstantiated claims too!
Are you seriously saying that someone who is decent with the gloves and averages over 43 in Tests batting at number 7 is overrated? He is not the best ever, granted. But please explain how he is overrated?
Probably because he doesn't average 125 with the bat and 15 dismissals per test
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I agree with him that ST is superb and he has unquestionable stats to back that up.
But I think you're right when you say he's trolling!!
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I dont want to start up an arguement but except that NZ test when he made 100 and 70, from the tour to dubai against Pakistan till now I did'nt see any outstanding performance from him. I'm not saying he was always overrated.
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He averages 50 in Australia and in India.
He scored 118 to set up the innings victory in Sydney to secure the ashes down under.
He has played 5 games since his 110* and 70.
You are Trolling
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I think Prior is one of the most underrated players... I'd have him in my side any day of the week and twice on Sundays
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I'm saying before that NZ game from england's tour to pak and further !
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Series averages between Pak and Nz
158runs @ 37 v Pakistan
59 @ 19 v Sri Lanka
35@ 17 v West Indies
275 @ 45 v South Africa
258 @ 51 v India
311 @ 103 v New Zealand
2011 he averaged 64
2012 he averaged 38
2013 he averaged 42
Hardly poor stats from an overrated player. I'd give up mate.
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Surely the sign of a best player is to adapt to any situation which Prior hasn 't done in ODI's. Superb batsman and excellent keeping to seamers.
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I'm saying before that NZ game from england's tour to pak and further !
Ok - your opinion although I seriously doubt that many people who follow cricket would agree, unless they are deluded.
In tests I would choose Prior every time. In ODIs I would pick Buttler/Bedwetter,etc!
I find it funny that he is so aggressive in tests sometimes and would expect him to bat better in ODIs, and yet he is definitely a far superior batsman in Tests than ODIs!
But I guess it's similar to Dhoni who is a reasonably decent Test batsman but is superior in ODIs!
I guess it is about translating the way they play into the format!
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I never aaid that dhoni is not a good cricketer...all I meant was that he is rated very much above his talent.....
I just hate it when people say he won two world cups for us
I was just talking about how he is over rated in india
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And I can never agree with people who rate him at par with the likes of sachin, dravid and laxman
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Alan Mullally now there a overrated international or rated at some stage by somebody
Although his stats are not that bad
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Sachin overrated player...My jaw just dropped...does this calls for a ban for sheer outrageousness :D
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Phil tuffnel
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Sachin overrated player...My jaw just dropped...does this calls for a ban for sheer outrageousness :D
Never does it when it matters ;)
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disagree with the comments about prior think his wicket keeping has come on leaps and bounds since first arriving in test cricket, would have him in my team every day of every week!
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So your saying if his batting was the same quality as the player mentioned you would have him instead of a Foster,Read,Bates even..
Yes it come on but lets not get carried away he is no Jack Russell
Batting is is strength and bar possibly Gilchrist he has been the greatest Batsman/keeper.
Now i see Prior as the number 1 in the world as his role suggests but as a keeper he is still very average but then again look across the international board there not much competition
I would never knock Prior he has achived so much and come on leaps and bounds
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Currently Bairstow. Would not get in many other international sides.
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Currently Bairstow. Would not get in many other international sides.
I'm still puzzled how he gets in this one!
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Watson, Warner
Bairstow
Chandimal, Angelo Mathews
Faf Du Plessis
Rohit Sharma
Shahid Afridi
Ross Taylor
Darren Bravo, Dwayne Bravo
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This current England side.
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Never does it when it matters ;)
lolz....just check his stats for the winning cause...
especially in the finals of tournaments...
here are some from espncricinfo
Best performers in ODI tournament finals (Qual: 750 runs)
Batsman Matches Runs Average Strike rate 100s/ 50s
Gary Kirsten 20 1019 67.93 74.16 3/ 7
Viv Richards 18 836 55.73 84.78 1/ 9
Sachin Tendulkar 39 1833 55.54 87.41 6/ 10
Matthew Hayden 17 760 50.66 73.14 1/ 6
Dean Jones 30 1064 48.36 73.12 1/ 8
Aravinda de Silva 24 930 44.28 88.06 2/ 6
Sanath Jayasuriya 39 1613 42.44 98.35 2/ 13
Marvan Atapattu 26 969 40.37 70.01 2/ 6
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Some of the important records that stand in Tendulkar's name:
Tests
Most Test runs (13,447) and hundreds (47). Also the only player with more than 100 scores of 50-plus in Tests.
Most runs scored by a batsman at No. 4; more than 3500 runs ahead of the second-placed Lara.
Most runs put together by a non-opening partnership (5747, with Rahul Dravid).
record for most Tests by a player.
One-day internationals
Most ODI runs, hundreds.
First batsman to score a double-hundred in this format.
Involved in the highest partnership for any wicket (331 with Dravid against New Zealand in 1999), and in total partnership runs with a single batsman.
Most Man-of-the-Match awards.
Most runs in World Cups, and in multi-team tournament finals. Also, most runs in a single World Cup.
Most ODI runs against Australia, Sri Lanka and South Africa.
Two matches short of equalling Sanath Jayasuriya's record for most matches.
And people call him over-rated........
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go through this....
http://sachinandcritics.com/sachin_is_a_match_winner.php (http://sachinandcritics.com/sachin_is_a_match_winner.php)
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Some of the important records that stand in Tendulkar's name:
Tests
Most Test runs (13,447) and hundreds (47). Also the only player with more than 100 scores of 50-plus in Tests.
Most runs scored by a batsman at No. 4; more than 3500 runs ahead of the second-placed Lara.
Most runs put together by a non-opening partnership (5747, with Rahul Dravid).
record for most Tests by a player.
One-day internationals
Most ODI runs, hundreds.
First batsman to score a double-hundred in this format.
Involved in the highest partnership for any wicket (331 with Dravid against New Zealand in 1999), and in total partnership runs with a single batsman.
Most Man-of-the-Match awards.
Most runs in World Cups, and in multi-team tournament finals. Also, most runs in a single World Cup.
Most ODI runs against Australia, Sri Lanka and South Africa.
Two matches short of equalling Sanath Jayasuriya's record for most matches.
And people call him over-rated........
He is ridiculously overrated, I mean he's never even won an ashes series
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He is ridiculously overrated, I mean he's never even won an ashes series
lolz......now that even sir richards couldnt do....:-p
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Watson, Warner
Bairstow
Chandimal, Angelo Mathews
Faf Du Plessis
Rohit Sharma
Shahid Afridi
Ross Taylor
Darren Bravo, Dwayne Bravo
Ross Taylor is not overrated !
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Watson, Warner
Bairstow
Chandimal, Angelo Mathews
Faf Du Plessis
Rohit Sharma
Shahid Afridi
Ross Taylor
Darren Bravo, Dwayne Bravo
How is Faf overrated?
Averages 69 in Test cricket, played one of the most important innings in Proteas Test history when he scored his magnificent backs to the wall 102* on debut.
He's a fine T20 player, averages 30. And he's the captain.
His only blip is his ODI record.
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Yeah Faf is not overrated !
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Faf has had a very good time in tests and that knock of 110* on debut was amazing. I was referring to his elevated status in ODI and how he has become an integral part of the team despite not doing too much. As for the test record, surely that average will come down once he plays more.
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Joe Root
I see people taking about him being the next so and so.
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Faf has had a very good time in tests and that knock of 110* on debut was amazing. I was referring to his elevated status in ODI and how he has become an integral part of the team despite not doing too much. As for the test record, surely that average will come down once he plays more.
Faf's improvement over that last 2/3 seasons in first class cricket, at present, justified his 69 average in Test cricket.
His overall first class record is offset because he was used as a specialist field for the first 5/6 years of his career.
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No I dont think Joe Root's overrated !