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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: Hammer Cricket on November 24, 2013, 07:23:55 PM
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Was Just wondering who all have complied with the new regulations for Helmets. I know obviously Ayrtek have as well as Masuri. But has anyone else? The GN and GM 2014 catalogues just have old helmets in them...i doubt those are legal, so whats going on...anybody?
p.s. and im still looking for that thread where the haters are complaining about Adidas just stickering up Ayrtek helmets and trying to sell them as their own...the nerve of them:)
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I'd have thought the larger companies (such as GN and GM) most likely have complied to the regulations but I guess it's that sort of thing where you can't simply tell from a visual point of view?
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Lots of mixed messaging going out to everyone currently about the new standard it seems and what it means in Regards to current models available etc.
I know us and masuri have carried out testing to comply with the new standard as I'm sure others have too but only the 2 of us have bought these models to the market for 2013-14.
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what is the deadline to comply and what would be the consequence if they didn't?
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IF we ignore the pro circuit.. Does it really make much difference ?
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IF we ignore the pro circuit.. Does it really make much difference ?
If its the difference between concussion and a dimple in my helmet/grill/peak then I think it does :D (Although yes, I know it's unlikely to happen!).
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IF we ignore the pro circuit.. Does it really make much difference ?
A ball penetrating the peak and grill to hit you in the eye will do damage at any level.
So IMO yes.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but there is no new regulation as yet - so Gray-Nicolls and GM are both selling helmets that are currently legal.
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Correct...until the new standard is officially published all helmets are produced to the 1998 standard. Once the 2013 standard is published it will supersede the 1998 version.
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A ball penetrating the peak and grill to hit you in the eye will do damage at any level.
So IMO yes.
Anyone had one penetrate the grill in any of their games ? Not saying improvements aren't a good thing, just that for mere mortals I doubt anyone would notice a jot of difference but will no doubt pay for the 'research'
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Anyone had one penetrate the grill in any of their games ?
Had 3 lads at my club have it happen in the nets and saw it happen in a game last season. So in short, yes!
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Correct...until the new standard is officially published all helmets are produced to the 1998 standard. Once the 2013 standard is published it will supersede the 1998 version.
Thanks for confirming that.
Furthermore from what I understand, when the regulation is released, the manufacturers will from that point have 6 months in which to sell the products into the retail trade. The retailers then will then have no time limit in which to sell the stock through to the end users.
Ayrtek and Masuri both have a helmet which they believe will meet with the new standards, but as things stand Gray-Nicolls, GM and the others are all selling helmets that meet with the current standards.
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Anyone had one penetrate the grill in any of their games ? Not saying improvements aren't a good thing, just that for mere mortals I doubt anyone would notice a jot of difference but will no doubt pay for the 'research'
In the last 14 years 3 times.
2 juniors who's parents had adjusted the grill to full opening cos there kids couldn't see. One a full toss, the other a top edge.
And 1 this year at adult level. We'd posted a low score against the champs, so our opening bowler came steaming in down the hill and tried to bowl as fast as he could. And beamed the guy(accidentally)
At first we all thought it just hit him and he as shaken, but after the game, he had a seam mark to the side of his left eye socket! Very lucky man.
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I got a new Albion Classic at the start of the last UK season. It's the same helmet Mitchell Johnson wears except my grill is steel where his I'm sure is titanium. There was info in the box that it conformed with new safety standards and the ball can't fit between the peak and the grill no matter how it's set up. The grill has since changed to be a bit a bit bigger vertically, but I'm sure the ball still can't break through between it and the peak.
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even if the gap is small the ball can push the peak of the lid up and the ball can get through unless they have designed a new peak
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The info in the box stated that the new design didn't allow this to happen. And from having the old grill, I can tell you the gap is much, much smaller. It'd be impossible for a ball to get through. The info said that this was the main reason for the new grill design. And despite the gap being substantially smaller, the vision is just as good as my old Albion, and that was always top notch.
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The news tests and regs are all to do with making the grills as well as the peaks stronger.
Tests have shown that even though there is no gap between the top of the grill and the peak, the sheer speed of the ball could potentially bend the grill back enough to hit the batsmen's face. Pls note however that the tests are done at 90mph, so very very few senior cricketers and certainly no junior cricketers would face those deliveries.
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Thats not 100% true as the new test procedures are going to be at 23m/s (51mph) for a junior ball and at 28m/s (62mph) for a senior ball.
Preliminary evidence presented to the committee showed that even at speeds of 30mph balls were still passing through gaps between peak and grille at 40mm settings.
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Yeah, it said something about that and the improved peak when I opened the box. Be interesting to see if Albion change the design like Masuri have. Personally I hope not as I'm a huge fan of Albion's traditional style which I've worn since Under 10's. Masuri's popularity have increased here due to most Aussie players wearing them, but personally I would never wear anything other than an Albion. Funny coincidence is that all may favourite players still wear them too (Mitch Johnson, AB DeVilliers, Hashim Amla and Ross Taylor) If there were none left in the world though, I'd consider an Ayrtek because they look like smashing helmets too.
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Thats not 100% true as the new test procedures are going to be at 23m/s (51mph) for a junior ball and at 28m/s (62mph) for a senior ball.
Preliminary evidence presented to the committee showed that even at speeds of 30mph balls were still passing through gaps between peak and grille at 40mm settings.
So glad we have an expert here!! Thanks for correcting me.
Are we talking about a ball going through the gap at those speeds or the effects of an impact at speeds of 51mph and 62mph respectively. We always advise juniors and seniors to never have a bigger gap than the ball.
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Those are the speeds that will be fired at the peak/grille area during the new BSI standard. The helmet has to perform in order to stop the ball penetrating the area as well as ensuring no part of the helmet/grille comes into contact with the facial area.
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Anyone had one penetrate the grill in any of their games ?
Not a game, but had my eyebrow split in nets after top edging one through the peak and grillss
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Not a game, but had my eyebrow split in nets after top edging one through the peak and grillss
What brand helmet were you using?
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So all current '98 standard helmets will have to be unloaded on unsuspecting public and retailers before the '14 regs come in. Then anything unsold will have to be binned.
Wisest move for retailers would be to send back any stock now and get some Ayrteks in.
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Thought some might be interested to see the letter sent out from ECB via our county board today on this:
NEW CRICKET HEAD PROTECTOR TESTING STANDARD
(More commonly known as the Helmet testing standard)
The ECB, PCA and the ICC have worked with BSi and head protector manufacturers to develop a new specification for the testing of head protection for cricketers. This specification has recently been approved by BSi Group, which is the national body responsible for producing appropriate safety standards in the UK. With cricketers and bowling machines able to deliver cricket balls at high speeds, and given the obvious importance of protecting against head injuries wherever possible, head protectors are an essential part of a cricketer’s kit.
It is important that individuals understand how the new specification will apply to head protectors on sale from Spring/Summer 2014.
The key features of the new specification, BS7928:2013, are:
1 it now includes a facial contact projectile test that assesses for penetration of the ball through the faceguard, and contact of the faceguard onto the face, using realistic ball impact speeds and conditions; and
2. head protectors have been tested separately against men’s and junior sized cricket balls (a five-and-a-half ounce ball and a four-and-three-quarter ounce ball, respectively).
Head protectors that have been tested against the new standard will be clearly labelled with “BS7928:2013” and will contain clear labelling setting out whether a head protector has been tested against (i) men’s standard ball size of 5 ½ ounces, (ii) junior standard ball size of 4 ¾ ounces, or (iii) both men’s and junior size balls.
The manufacturers have advised that there is currently no specific women’s head protector and so there is no specific standard for women’s cricket head protectors. As the size of the standard women’s cricket ball is between the standard men and junior balls, it is recommended that women use head protectors that have been tested against both the men’s and junior sized ball or at least against the junior size ball (as the smaller ball could potentially get through the gap above the face guard on a men’s head protector).
From 30 June 2014, the old BSI standard for cricket head protectors (BS7928:1998) will be withdrawn and the ECB therefore recommends that all new head protectors brought to market are tested against the new standard. However, head protectors which have already been tested against the old standard can and will continue to be available for sale and will not be withdrawn from the market.
In light of this, the ECB has issued this guidance to ensure that the public understands the meaning and merits of the new specification (and consequent labelling that will soon be introduced) and therefore to enable the public to make an informed decision as to which head protector to use.
Finally, whilst the ECB considers that head protectors are an essential part of a cricketer’s kit to mitigate the risk of injury, it must be remembered that wearing a head protector and faceguard (whether or not it has been tested against the new standard) cannot always prevent death, injury or disability.
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Wonder what shops will do??Public liability insurance will be fun.
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No difference then in truth guidance not law is what I'm reading.
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The old BSI standard is/was also guidance, but helmets that did not pass it are/were not sold.
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So basically shrey helmets are legal to buy in England as they have passed the old regulation.
Is that what where saying??
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So basically shrey helmets are legal to buy in England as they have passed the old regulation.
Is that what where saying??
Until 30 June yes.
After that, it is still a grey area in my opinion, i haven't had chance to pin down someone on that specific part of the new standard and ask for a straight answer. But even if it is open to interpretation, i don't know if there will be any retailers willing to risk stocking Shrey, public liability etc.
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But that does not make sence Jake
What the difference now with masuri if it only guidance as well???
Public liability would still be the same though as it has never been law just guidance??
So what are we saying that if my current masuri fails to protect me where the difference to a Shrey in liability if both are only guidance??
Also it makes no mention of them being outlawed after the said date I too got this email and it has confused me.
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So public liability would be the same for any helmet no matter what surely ??
There no clear information at all ??
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I'm not saying anything Dave, it isn't my place to do so, that is simply my interpretation of it. If a helmet fails the current test is doesn't go on sale. I see no reason why this would be any different when the new test comes in.
I agree it is still very unclear, which is why we (retailers) are all waiting for further instruction from the powers that be.
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Fair shout just getting myself and my 7 year old a new helmets that's my concern mate I agree a right mess.
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What I understand is.
That for a new helmet to be released/sold it will have to be compliant to the new test
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Any helmet that was made and passed the old eras tests are allowed to be made and sold still, but will have a sticker saying there compliant to the old test.
So if no lawsuit r.e design comes from masuri. Shrey can make and sell the old lid until there hearts content.
Keeping a few old guys happy as they won't have to be made to change.
The issue for shrey is they can't alter said design if they want to, no slight change to grill. No new ear pieces, no upgraded liner, no slight shape change. No material change.
As then it would be a new helmet and need to pass new standards to be sold.
Which it would struggle to do, or why else would masuri abandon it??
And leave shrey in the past. I beleive everyone moaning wants a shrey now, but there will be a time when you pick up a mates new Albion/masuri/ayrtek and go, woah this is light can I try it on. Wow it's comfy and the vision is amazing.
Then your gonna think,why ami stuck with a helmet design 15 years ago that can't be changed by law??
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What I understand is.
That for a new helmet to be released/sold it will have to be compliant to the new test
But
Any helmet that was made and passed the old eras tests are allowed to be made and sold still, but will have a sticker saying there compliant to the old test.
So if no lawsuit r.e design comes from masuri. Shrey can make and sell the old lid until there hearts content.
Keeping a few old guys happy as they won't have to be made to change.
The issue for shrey is they can't alter said design if they want to, no slight change to grill. No new ear pieces, no upgraded liner, no slight shape change. No material change.
As then it would be a new helmet and need to pass new standards to be sold.
Which it would struggle to do, or why else would masuri abandon it??
And leave shrey in the past. I beleive everyone moaning wants a shrey now, but there will be a time when you pick up a mates new Albion/masuri/ayrtek and go, woah this is light can I try it on. Wow it's comfy and the vision is amazing.
Then your gonna think,why ami stuck with a helmet design 15 years ago that can't be changed by law??
Only until 30th June is my understanding.
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Only until 30th June is my understanding.
Ill remove the portion that goes against your understanding,
"However, head protectors which have already been tested against the old standard can and will continue to be available for sale and will not be withdrawn from the market."
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Ill remove the portion that goes against your understanding,
"However, head protectors which have already been tested against the old standard can and will continue to be available for sale and will not be withdrawn from the market."
We have been told that this refers to helmets that us retailers already have in stock. So if i still have a load of cheap Kookaburra helmets left after june 30th (i currently have loads so i imagine they will still be here after June 30th) then we are OK to sell them. But they won't be manufactured anymore after this date.
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They have worded there letter incorrectly IMO then.
It even goes on to say about labels to explain what test it's scheduled to.
Does that mean you'll be sent a sticker pack and have to label up all the old helmets?
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They have worded there letter incorrectly IMO then.
It even goes on to say about labels to explain what test it's scheduled to.
Does that mean you'll be sent a sticker pack and have to label up all the old helmets?
No idea mate.
Us retailers are just as in the dark as anyone else. It's a mess.
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...and cue the sound of laughter all around the world as the ECB has attempted to stiff the average English cricket lover and failed abysmally.
As I have said repeatedly, these new BSI laws are a scam being foisted on the UK consumer and will NEVER pass in Australia, India, Pakistan, South Africa...or anywhere where honest people play cricket for the love of the game.
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I think it is the ICC that is driving it as well.
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Can we just remind everyone, especially those in Australia, that in no way is a British standard a law. If it becomes an ISO, it still won't be a law. Given Australian public liability rules are similar to the UK, I imagine that shops selling helmet are going to think similarly to those in the UK. Who knows what will be available in 12 months time. And honestly? Who really cares!
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Until the ICC say they will ignore a standard they have asked for, I'm inclined to believe it. Its not a law as tim says but no retailer will sell a helmet they can get sued for. It seems to me that Vic has been hit a few times wearing a ***** helmet to spout such nonsense.
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Is this standard applicable to wicketkeeping helmets too? ???
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The standard applies to 'head protectors' - it is not specific to your position on the field. To my knowledge none of the manufacturers are marketing a wicket keeping helmet like the old Masuri one.
Having re-read the statement issued by the ECB, the key line which has caused the confusion seems clearer in my mind.
''From 30 June 2014, the old BSI standard for cricket head protectors (BS7928:1998) will be withdrawn and the ECB therefore recommends that all new head protectors brought to market are tested against the new standard. However, head protectors which have already been tested against the old standard can and will continue to be available for sale and will not be withdrawn from the market.''
Everyone we have spoken to regarding this issue states that it means any existing stock is fine to be sold through until supplies are exhausted. What it doesn't mean is a helmet that passed the old standard can continue to be manufactured and sold, as any helmet that is manufactured and put forward for sale must comply with the standard at the time, and as the old standard is being withdrawn imminently, that only leaves the new, more rigorous test to go by.
It will remain a murky area, but that is my opinion/take on the matter.
Masuri lids are due to land imminently, i see some of the big retailers had theirs today.
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Jake
Are u sure some retailers receive their Masuri helmets today as I have been told that even Masuri guys don't have any of the new helmets in their stock
Regards
Asad
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Jake
Are u sure some retailers receive their Masuri helmets today as I have been told that even Masuri guys don't have any of the new helmets in their stock
Regards
Asad
Owzat have them. Barringtons had some to use as samples to show at a conference last week. Masuri have taken a number out to Bangladesh to get them on the heads of players at the World Cup.
The grilles are made over the road to us, they left Peterborough for Masuri HQ a few weeks back and Masuri tweeted a picture of all the stock ready to be put together/boxed up.
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Yes I know they took few to Bangladesh for 20-20 World Cup. The reason I was asking was that I was talking to operation manager of Masuri and he assured me that they have not delivered any helmets to any retailer yet.
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Yes I know they took few to Bangladesh for 20-20 World Cup. The reason I was asking was that I was talking to operation manager of Masuri and he assured me that they have not delivered any helmets to any retailer yet.
Seems I misread their tweet. They are due tomorrow at Owzat apparently, though Owzat seem unconvinced as they used an acronym for wishful thinking syndrome to sign off their tweet. Barringtons definitely had some to promote at a conference.
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I saw that.
Passes the BSI 2013 standard.
Isn't there an updated BSI test coming in 2014?
It was supposed to be early February...but, I notice that it has gone rather quiet...
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I have done some deleting etc.
Please no more name calling and baiting (in any direction).
Either contribute sanely and sensibly or not at all.
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I saw that.
Passes the BSI 2013 standard.
Isn't there an updated BSI test coming in 2014?
It was supposed to be early February...but, I notice that it has gone rather quiet...
What do you mean by 'the 2013 standard'
The last standard for helmets was produced in 1998. The new one is the one that has provoked all the design changes is known as
BS7928:2013
It is the new BSI testing standard for cricket helmets, manufacturers are testing against it as we speak, it replaces the old standard from 1998.
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Old topic but I have 2 new questions
The bsi new one is only guidance is any helmet to meet the old criteria is still allowed to be sold and continually sold ?
Has anybody actually obtained the new standard ??
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Maybe a re think abou helemets is needed after seeing the horrid incident with Kieswetter today.
It logged in the grill.
Hope he is ok
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I hope so too, but he was wearing an old Masuri.
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Maybe a re think abou helemets is needed after seeing the horrid incident with Kieswetter today.
It logged in the grill.
Hope he is ok
Just looked and he's wearing an old style lid.
Hope he's okay, but this could be the wake up call people need to get a new style helmet.
Seeing things like this make me clad I invested in an AdiTek (not that I ever face bowling that quick but better safe than sorry...
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Some picture here.
Would advise you don't open them if you don't like blood
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2689857/Craig-Kieswetter-suffers-horrific-eye-injury-cricket-ball-strikes-face-Somersets-LV-County-Championship-match-Northamptonshire.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2689857/Craig-Kieswetter-suffers-horrific-eye-injury-cricket-ball-strikes-face-Somersets-LV-County-Championship-match-Northamptonshire.html)
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nasty incident that no one likes to see and i wish Craig a speedy recovery.
Its however very frustrating when you inform a county player/squad about the risks involved in wearing an older style helmet that is known to be susceptible to allowing balls to go through the gap at speeds as low as 30-40mph. They choose not to upgrade their helmet to a product that is designed to aid in their protection in the event the worst happens.
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/12/article-2689857-1F97C8F600000578-321_634x453.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/12/article-2689857-1F97D1F100000578-503_634x461.jpg)
I can't believe that old style Masuri and Shrey's are still being backed as 'adequate' - i even heard it today from my own team mates who i have attempted to educate. 'Oh well i just want a normal helmet, we don't play test cricket.' - This is shortly after our Aussie bumped their skipper and hit him in the sternum, causing him to vom his strawberry and ice cream based tea everywhere.
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I just can't understand why as a professional you wouldn't kit yourself out with the very best protective equipment available
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So what are some good helmets in market? I have been using my SS Matrix for last 3 yrs.
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3 helmets I'm told have meet the new standard
GN
Ayrtek
Masuri
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You prob should explain only certain models of the Masuri and GN will mate in the Vision Series and the new GN that Cook/Bairstow/Plunkett etc are wearing.
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Ok so after doing some research, here's my final two in my price rage: Masuri Vision Series Elite and Adidas Adipower.
Any suggestions, thoughts, inputs?
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I'd go adipower.
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Are we more careful as amateurs because we have day jobs to think about? Does Kieswetter still get paid while recovering from his injuries? Not that I'm suggesting he's less careful about his safety because he gets paid to play, but if he doesn't have to worry about getting to the office on Monday...
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Are we more careful as amateurs because we have day jobs to think about? Does Kieswetter still get paid while recovering from his injuries? Not that I'm suggesting he's less careful about his safety because he gets paid to play, but if he doesn't have to worry about getting to the office on Monday...
I know I am - I spend a lot of time meeting potential clients and driving - that's why I always wear a helmet (Ayrtek) and top end batting gloves. A good example is a colleague who's just returned from a cricket tour with a black eye (mid-range older helmet, ball went between grill and peak). We have a Royal event tomorrow where we are manning the VIP tent - he'll be in a suit with a huge black eye...
You have to take into account the day job, in my opinion. For what its worth if Kieswetter's said "no thanks, I'll stick with my tried and trusted" as his employer now I'd be asking him to explain why Somerset should pay him a full wage. That said, its possibly their fault for not insisting all employees wear the new standard lids...
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You'd also find that there will be a requirement to have insurance in place for all players in professional sport to cover injuries that make them unavailable to play, which of course those of us playing at an amateur level don't have...
But I agree, I wear what I consider to be exceptional protection because, much as I love playing, I still have to make a living a different way.
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I had been thinking about going back to batting in my sun hat...!
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Beat you to it Buzz!
(http://images.pitchero.com/ui/58731/1403535477_8269.jpg)
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Id take hard over floppy when it comes to safety personally :)
Coincidentally we had an order from the ECB come in last night so it seems to have rattled a few cages with helmet safety a hot topic. There were 2 incidents in local cricket that i think might have a few people thinking about wearing a helmet too now. One top edge and egg for Cordys lot and one broken jaw for Biggy B's Minehead boys.
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As much as I do look on enviously at team mates and opposition batting in caps (never sun hats, who knows why?! Has to be the head gear of choice if not a helmet...), I've promised myself I'll always wear one.
Its not just protection from the bowler. Most I've heard about have been top edges into the face when hooking or pulling and even sweeping. For me, there are too many factors out of a batsmen's control.
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I see he's out for the whole season, I wore my lid while keeping Saturday, also while batting as pitch lively, looks like the shoe thread show's he's a huge (No Swearing Please) and put vanity over safety, just desserts then.
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Its a frustration when the ICC are highlighting to manufacturers and the PCA to the players that injuries are occurring still with older designs so looking to the reputable helmet manufacturers to design something to reduce the risk of such injuries.
Having done so the players are stuck in their ways and would rather wear something that is known to offer lower levels of protection than the newer designs. The fashion over function outlook may now start to sway....perhaps.
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I play at a level where there is only one bowler we face that might be able to pin me in the face. I always wear a lid as I know I'll eventually top edge on into my own bonce and to be honest I'd rather be slightly hot and uncomfortable for a couple of hours rather than spend the rest of my life with dentures for something that was easily avoidable.
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so albion have designed a new grill - not sure how it is going to work...
http://ow.ly/i/6elwY/original (http://ow.ly/i/6elwY/original)
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I never used to wear one as i was of the age group that could get a letter from their parents saying we could be exempt if we didnt want to use one. Even upto the point where i designed ours i was reluctant but now its about mitigating the risk of injury and taking it out of the equation should the worst happen.
During our game on saturday our opener had one come off the shoulder of his bat and pin him in the grille that would have hit him in the jaw if he wasnt wearing a lid. It doesnt need to be the quickest bowler that can cause injury as a 40mph ball will still do plenty of damage when it hits something.
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I never used to wear one as i was of the age group that could get a letter from their parents saying we could be exempt if we didnt want to use one. Even upto the point where i designed ours i was reluctant but now its about mitigating the risk of injury and taking it out of the equation should the worst happen.
During our game on saturday our opener had one come off the shoulder of his bat and pin him in the grille that would have hit him in the jaw if he wasnt wearing a lid. It doesnt need to be the quickest bowler that can cause injury as a 40mph ball will still do plenty of damage when it hits something.
I didn't wear a helmet until we went on a tour of Jamaica. Then I thought it was probably sensible as I didn't know what I'd be facing. What I also discovered in the nets prior to that was that i was far less bothered about being hit in the face and it made me more confident, improving my batting. I've worn one ever since.
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so albion have designed a new grill - not sure how it is going to work...
[url]http://ow.ly/i/6elwY/original[/url] ([url]http://ow.ly/i/6elwY/original[/url])
Have been tweeting Albion on this today (@albionsports and @pgpchappers if you are interested)
they seem to believe that by anchoring the front bolt of the grille to have a maximum gap their current design meets the new requirements.
They don't seem to think they have a problem with the peak of their lids.
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Have been tweeting Albion on this today (@albionsports and @pgpchappers if you are interested)
they seem to believe that by anchoring the front bolt of the grille to have a maximum gap their current design meets the new requirements.
They don't seem to think they have a problem with the peak of their lids.
Having spent half of saturday trying to force a cricket ball through the gap between an Albion club and the current helmet with a fairly wide gap, I'd say that it's a pretty fair statement.
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Further - they have said that their are concentrating on improving protection at the occipital area (for the layman - the back of the head)
In other words - they are creating protection for people who don't look at the ball, turn their heads and get smacked that way.
Really interesting discussions
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There were 2 incidents in local cricket that i think might have a few people thinking about wearing a helmet too now. One top edge and egg for Cordys lot and one broken jaw for Biggy B's Minehead boys.
Pic of the egg from Saturday for anyone interested! Was in 3rd XI cricket so no pace on the ball at all until it took the top edge
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd483/oldmanfram/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-07/C2CE0858-ECFB-4682-806B-42C35B3FF54A.jpg) (http://s1222.photobucket.com/user/oldmanfram/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-07/C2CE0858-ECFB-4682-806B-42C35B3FF54A.jpg.html)
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Sweet Jesus! That would be all I'd need to be convinced that a lid is the way to go.
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I had been happy without a lid against anything but real pace for the whole time I've been playing, until I got a beamer from a medium-pacer at the end of last season and top-edged it, resulting in this! Still don't really like wearing one, but several hours in hospital while the doctors worried over whether my eyesight was ok (seems to be no long-term effects fortunately) persuaded me I probably should.
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If I'm honest, it's the bearers in the nets from not very fast bowlers that are the worst, followed by one of our quicker guys who has a tendency to try and bowl too fast and beams you. Much safer in armour.
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the vast majority of injuries i have seen have all come of the bat first and it has eventually encouraged a lot of the team to way them in games now.
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I have seen people get hurt in the nets as the quick bowlers have a bit of fun trying to hit the batsmen. Being 14 in the nets I get a fair amount of the short stuff about 1 in 3 although that's less then what the others get . A specially as the bowlers are men you would be mad not wearing a helmet.
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For the last 5 seasons. I've always worn a helmet.
And for longer than that I wore thigh pad, inner as well as the normal stuff.never thought I'd need more.
Due to a freak illness I knew nothing off at the time I ended up injured.
I went into a net this winter kitted up as usually.
Our resident idiot pitched a shorter ball. Which I tried to glance but missed. and it creamed me in the side.
5 days later I'm in agony and rushed to hospital. Ruptured spleen! Granted a cricket ball shouldn't have damaged it, but I had a viral infection that had weakened my internal organs and the ball was all that was needed to pop it.
6 months off work, 6 months of my family having to take care of me, half this season missed (and the second half unfit and out of form).
All because i never wore a chest guard. Never even thought of wearing one.
Cost me a lot.
Facial damage could be worse, don't risk not wearing a helmet!
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For the last 5 seasons. I've always worn a helmet.
And for longer than that I wore thigh pad, inner as well as the normal stuff.never thought I'd need more.
Due to a freak illness I knew nothing off at the time I ended up injured.
I went into a net this winter kitted up as usually.
Our resident idiot pitched a shorter ball. Which I tried to glance but missed. and it creamed me in the side.
5 days later I'm in agony and rushed to hospital. Ruptured spleen! Granted a cricket ball shouldn't have damaged it, but I had a viral infection that had weakened my internal organs and the ball was all that was needed to pop it.
6 months off work, 6 months of my family having to take care of me, half this season missed (and the second half unfit and out of form).
All because i never wore a chest guard. Never even thought of wearing one.
Cost me a lot.
Facial damage could be worse, don't risk not wearing a helmet!
Interesting, I ruptured my spleen a few years ago as well, not through cricket however.
Did you have it taken out?
I was only in hospital for a week while they kept track of it etc but wasn't removed.
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Have seen 2 non-helmet accidents!
First was me bowling in a match (leg spin) where the batsman went to sweep, top edged it into his face and had nasty cut an inch below his eye! Could have been a lot worse had it been an inch higher!
The second was out keeper who was standing up without a helmet (he stands up to pace too and is a decent keeper) and the batsman top edged into his eye socket! Hospital, lots of blood and stitches, worry from the Consultants as to whether he would get his full eye sight back and months and months of rehab was enough to persuade me that a helmet is the best option!
Have two Ayrteks now - light as a feather and forget I'm wearing them sometimes! Not too bothered about my ugly mug! But the thought of damaging my eye sight or having a wired jaw for months is not my idea of a good summer!
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I've seen similar from a spinner in the nets. The batsman knocked his front teeth out and split his lip to his nose. The worst bit being that he had a helmet with him, but hadn't worn it as he was in the spin net...
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Always recommend wearing an helmet as prior to the introduction of helmets was opening against Collwall CC against one of the quickest bowlers around played a foreward defensive missed the ball and ended up on the operating table top lip completely smashed by the seam of the ball.
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Jason Roy hit clean on the lid of an old masuri then, and looked like it hurt! Visibly shaken.
Why aren't pro using the new standard?
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Jason Roy hit clean on the lid of an old masuri then, and looked like it hurt! Visibly shaken.
Why aren't pro using the new standard?
Would a new one have helped that impact?? Doubt it
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Would a new one have helped that impact?? Doubt it
Who knows, but with roys gap, 2inch lower and he'd have joined kieswetter in the next bed,
Anyone see that woman get hit in the face? Surely if your sat watching Roy and pietersen in a t20 your actually gonna watch where the balls going!
Instead she was more worried about her pimms
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Impact dissipation can also be tackled as part of the design, we proved that the A.C.I.S liner gave results of 3x less impact force being passed through them when compared to other brands on the market when we paid for our models as well as our competitors to be put through BSI test procedures 5 yrs ago now.
Those designs havent changed and are still being use/worn on the market now.
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Back in the day I didn't wear a helmet - no one at the level that I played at would have considered one. However, I did see a guy top edge a gentle medium pacer into his clock, which caused a bit of damage.
Some 25 years later, when I started playing again, I was obviously older and slower and started to wonder if I should get a helmet. I bought an Ayrtek thanks to one of Tom's very occasional sales. Yes it took a bit of getting used to, but the only way to do that is to wear it at all times at the crease, at any standard of cricket.
Obviously I could have bought a much cheaper lid, but I liked the look of the Ayrtek and it was at an outstanding VFM price.
I'm not any closer to being hit by a cricket ball, and wearing a helmet hasn't encouraged me to play in a different way, but it just seems sensible.
I really wish IJC Paul would share a story with the forum that he shared with me a month or so ago.
It might change a few minds.
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For me its about mitigating the risk, if on the off chance you do get hit id want to:-
A. Be wearing a helmet.
B. Be wearing the safest option available for such an incident.
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its common sense - should not be seen as a sign of weakness. i know of someone who died, after being struck while running to the non-striker's end.
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Any further news on a new albion offering?
Having tried the Ayrtek i couldnt get it to sit right on my head with the inflatable liner and not the biggest fan of the new Masuri, im still on the lookout for a helmet that passes the latest tests.
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Have u tried on one of our adidas range helmets with the EPS liners in them?
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No not yet.
Still trying to determine if my head suits the style too! Carberry looks great in the helmet but Broad looks very silly (in my opinion). It just doesn't seem to suit his head!
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At the end of the day, wearing a helmet is a personal decision. As long as they're an adult, and are aware of the results of not doing so, then any consequences are their responsibility; not the bowler's, and not the wicket. As for individual designs, I like the research and the look of the Ayrtek/Adidas lids. So much so, I ordered a custom black titanium from Tom, and sourced some natty pinstripes for it. However, it was just too big for my noggin. I could try a junior model, but until they come with a titanium grill, I'll pass. I've gone back to my old Masuri and am looking at one of the Albion models. Most other manufacturers' lids still look as if they should be worn by people who ride horses.
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After today events it a intresting topic.
Ball squeezing through grills are the tests done at different angles or just face on Because all the test I have seen where sent direct at the helmet straight on
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In all the conversations I've seen on this topic, I can't recall reading anything on ball deformation.
Specifically, no matter how advanced and rigid lids become, can it be the case that a ball can deform and compress enough to squeeze between grill and peak?
After all, they're not made of steel, are they. Surely a ball made from cork and leather deforms when it hits a helmet or grill at around 80mph? It wouldn't need to compress that much, either.
And if that's the case, unless the gap between peak and grill is significantly reduced, can any current helmet ever be 100% safe?
Be interesting to hear if anyone has compiled some stats on ball deformation at speed.
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I'd say it's the peak of the helmet that lifts, rather than the ball deforming or grill bending.
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I'd say it's the peak of the helmet that lifts, rather than the ball deforming or grill bending.
That was a problem, hence the AdiTek being designed so it doesn't...
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I suspect we'll find out soon enough. Ali we can do is speculate and create conjecture.
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Noticing a lot of the aussies (Clarke, Hughes etc) still wearing the old masuris, would've thought masuri qould tell them to use the vision series?
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Interesting spot. This seems odd on several levels:
- with the coming season cricket stores in Aus will have lined up the new style helmets... only for the test squad to keep the old ones. Not brilliant for sales over the coming months (most stores are showing arrival time of mid Sept for the vision series).
- Masuri report that they have spent a lot of money on R&D and would surely want their sponsored players in the new helmets? Linked to first point on securing sales this coming season... not great marketing if the top players haven't upgraded.
- if you were playing at this level, would you not want the, reportedly, latest/ safest spec helmet irrespective of which sponsor you are with i.e. Masuri players wear vision series, addidas wear ...., etc, etc. Is this down to the reduced vision point again or increased weight of Masuris or just old habits and rituals of the Aus batsmen?
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So much going on with helmets at the moment, the likes of GM and GN have launched new helmets that they seem very confident will meet the new regulations despite looking relatively 'normal' - yet masuri and ayrtek both have radically different designs to the previous 'norm' - ie the standard masuri test shape.
No test has actually taken place yet to my knowledge. The testing houses are online and it's all happening right now. Helmets can be tested to the specified criteria by the manufacturer so they can essentially self certify and say 'we will pass' but the actual tests will happen soon.
Oddly, the Shrey topic (one I have avidly followed) is closed to new posts. The vitriol from a chap called Vic was excessive. His prediction that Shrey will dominate the market was always going to backfire on him. Many, many internationals are now in the new Masuris, even some sub continental players (the very ones who are most likely to ignore any kind of regulation/be paid handsomely by the likes of Shrey/Forma) are donning new Masuris.
Eyes peeled for test results.
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So much going on with helmets at the moment, the likes of GM and GN have launched new helmets that they seem very confident will meet the new regulations despite looking relatively 'normal' - yet masuri and ayrtek both have radically different designs to the previous 'norm' - ie the standard masuri test shape.
No test has actually taken place yet to my knowledge. The testing houses are online and it's all happening right now. Helmets can be tested to the specified criteria by the manufacturer so they can essentially self certify and say 'we will pass' but the actual tests will happen soon.
Oddly, the Shrey topic (one I have avidly followed) is closed to new posts. The vitriol from a chap called Vic was excessive. His prediction that Shrey will dominate the market was always going to backfire on him. Many, many internationals are now in the new Masuris, even some sub continental players (the very ones who are most likely to ignore any kind of regulation/be paid handsomely by the likes of Shrey/Forma) are donning new Masuris.
Eyes peeled for test results.
The only vitriol in that thread you mentioned were attacks AGAINST me, not BY ME.
Shrey is booming my friend and the Indian stars wear them. Give them time and they will make inroads into Australia as well.
The deceit peddled that a certain English brand was the safest because it was...errr, well, English, did not cut it with me then and in light of recent events still does not cut it with me now.
"But our helmets have passed all our own internal testing...so they must be the safest in the world". Yeah, right.
People will vote with their feet.
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Faf Du Plessis:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-triangular-series-2014/content/image/778553.html?object=44828 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-triangular-series-2014/content/image/778553.html?object=44828)
Virat Kohli:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/776213.html?object=253802;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/776213.html?object=253802;page=1)
Ravindra Jajeda:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/765923.html?object=234675;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/765923.html?object=234675;page=1)
Rohit Sharma:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/774683.html?object=34102 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/774683.html?object=34102)
Mohammed Shami and Bhuvneshwar Kumar:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/759143.html?object=326016;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/image/759143.html?object=326016;page=1)
Brendan McCullum:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-new-zealand-2014/content/image/756413.html?object=37737 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-new-zealand-2014/content/image/756413.html?object=37737)
Kumar Sangakkara:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/image/735361.html?object=50710;page=4 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/image/735361.html?object=50710;page=4)
Thisara Perera
http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-2014/content/image/723971.html?object=233514;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-2014/content/image/723971.html?object=233514;page=1)
Akmal brothers:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/image/730347.html?object=41028;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/world-t20/content/image/730347.html?object=41028;page=1)
Jacques Kallis:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702107.html?object=45789;page=2 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702107.html?object=45789;page=2)
Graeme Smith:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702809.html?object=47270;page=2 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/content/image/702809.html?object=47270;page=2)
Lahiru Thirimanna
http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-2014/content/image/722761.html?object=301236;page=2 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-2014/content/image/722761.html?object=301236;page=2)
Jesse Ryder:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/content/image/712627.html?object=38373 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/content/image/712627.html?object=38373)
...and on and on it goes...
Shrey will not be going away any time soon...
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If I may ask a question:
How do International teams order their helmets? Do they get a certain amount of each brand and let the players choose them? I ask this because a lot of countries wear nearly every brand. The Aussies has blokes in Albions, Masuris, Grey Nichols and GM. I realise that the GM and GN helmets are for GM and GN sponsored players. But with Albions and Masuris and other brands on display, I'm just wondering how it all works.
Take the Aussies for example. It appeared that Masuri made all the new Aussie helmets, then Chris Rogers appeared in a plastic albion.
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some nations have sponsorship deals whilst others prefer to leave it down to the players to choose as its an item thats for their personal protection.
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The only vitriol in that thread you mentioned were attacks AGAINST me, not BY ME.
Shrey is booming my friend and the Indian stars wear them. Give them time and they will make inroads into Australia as well.
The deceit peddled that a certain English brand was the safest because it was...errr, well, English, did not cut it with me then and in light of recent events still does not cut it with me now.
"But our helmets have passed all our own internal testing...so they must be the safest in the world". Yeah, right.
People will vote with their feet.
I of course understand the need to defend oneself, perhaps though there is a reason why you and you alone seem to be on this one man vendetta? Yes others have made comments in support of your view, but not to the same relentless extent. I do admire your passion though. If you love Shrey so be it, who am I to change your mind? It has been said before to no avail but I'll try anyway. This is not a British conspiracy. The requirement for safer helmets came from the ICC medical panel.
Now, I'm not going to reply to your list with my own very extensive one, as we all know there are now very significant numbers of internationals/prominent pros wearing new masuri helmets, including Glenn Maxwell and Cameron White ;)
What I will do is correct a couple of 'mistakes'
Rohit and Virat are not wearing Shrey branded helmets, they may be Shrey, they may be old Masuris, and yes I know they are the same thing from the same place, but the whole Shrey project is surely about brand awareness? They aren't going to do too well white labelling.
Kumar and Thirimanne have been wearing Masuri for a while now. Presumably voting with their feet as you put it?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/775637.html?object=50710 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/775637.html?object=50710)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/771301.html?object=301236;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/771301.html?object=301236;page=1)
Perera appears to have snubbed Shrey and Masuri
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/774419.html?object=233514;page=1 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/774419.html?object=233514;page=1)
Smith and Kallis are now retired and therefore pretty irrelevant.
The other part of your post refers to the Ayrtek / Broad incident I assume? Broad was struck by a ball from a fast test match bowler that he also top edged, he sustained injury yes, and it wasn't pretty. But he played a test match a week later. Contrast that to Craig Kieswetter wearing an old Masuri (or a Shrey, same thing) who took a delivery from a county championship bowler. Kieswetter was hospitalised, had I believe at least 1 major operation and will not play cricket again this year was the last I read.
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I of course understand the need to defend oneself, perhaps though there is a reason why you and you alone seem to be on this one man vendetta? Yes others have made comments in support of your view, but not to the same relentless extent. I do admire your passion though. If you love Shrey so be it, who am I to change your mind? It has been said before to no avail but I'll try anyway. This is not a British conspiracy. The requirement for safer helmets came from the ICC medical panel.
Now, I'm not going to reply to your list with my own very extensive one, as we all know there are now very significant numbers of internationals/prominent pros wearing new masuri helmets, including Glenn Maxwell and Cameron White ;)
What I will do is correct a couple of 'mistakes'
Rohit and Virat are not wearing Shrey branded helmets, they may be Shrey, they may be old Masuris, and yes I know they are the same thing from the same place, but the whole Shrey project is surely about brand awareness? They aren't going to do too well white labelling.
Kumar and Thirimanne have been wearing Masuri for a while now. Presumably voting with their feet as you put it?
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/775637.html?object=50710[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/775637.html?object=50710[/url])
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/771301.html?object=301236;page=1[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/771301.html?object=301236;page=1[/url])
Perera appears to have snubbed Shrey and Masuri
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/774419.html?object=233514;page=1[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/sri-lanka-v-pakistan-2014/content/image/774419.html?object=233514;page=1[/url])
Smith and Kallis are now retired and therefore pretty irrelevant.
The other part of your post refers to the Ayrtek / Broad incident I assume? Broad was struck by a ball from a fast test match bowler that he also top edged, he sustained injury yes, and it wasn't pretty. But he played a test match a week later. Contrast that to Craig Kieswetter wearing an old Masuri (or a Shrey, same thing) who took a delivery from a county championship bowler. Kieswetter was hospitalised, had I believe at least 1 major operation and will not play cricket again this year was the last I read.
Broad was hit on the top of the nose, Kieswetter on the eye. If Broad was hit on the eye - he would be in a world of pain right now. Two totally different injuries my friend.
Kallis still plays IPL - where he wears a Shrey.
Virat and Rohit both wear Shrey...just as they both use SS bats...irrespective of what stickers they put on them. Marketing? I am not sure most kids pay that much notice. As a kid, I never paid attention as to whether a player was wearing a C&D or a Masuri...it was irrelevant to me. I did usually notice bats though and a player changing brands.
As for players swapping and changing, let us use Kumar Sangakkara as a case in point. This year alone he has used Masuri, plastic Albion, Shrey, Masuri back to Shrey and Lord only knows which one he will pick out of his kit bag next week. I suspect that some players have different helmet suppliers depending on where they are playing at any given point of time; cf Maxwell, Shaun Marsh, George Bailey etc all wearing Shrey's during the recent IPL seasons, but other brands at other times before and since.
Given the IPL's popularity in India - which has more than a billion cricket crazy inhabitants - I suspect that Shrey has a long, happy future ahead filled with record sales.
As for British conspiracies etc within the cricket loving world...Scotland is about to break away from the colonial bondage and the others like Wales will have second thoughts soon enough about sticking around on the sinking ship. The decaying "Great" Britain on which the sun never set on it's colonial holdings is fast diminishing to insignificance. There is a new world order now and cricket is part of that. Your opinion and protectionist scams will be cast aside for common sense. Deal with it.
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As for British conspiracies etc within the cricket loving world...Scotland is about to break away from the colonial bondage and the others like Wales will have second thoughts soon enough about sticking around on the sinking ship. The decaying "Great" Britain on which the sun never set on it's colonial holdings is fast diminishing to insignificance. There is a new world order now and cricket is part of that. Your opinion and protectionist scams will be cast aside for common sense. Deal with it.
Vic, I'm sure I speak for many others when I say, please take your "British colonialism B/S" and keep it out of forum topics relating to ICC (dominated by India) rules. As much as I'm sure you love to think there is a British Colonial Conspiracy theory relating to the cricket helmet rules, they were introduced by the ICC, not the "evil British Colonials". Please try and remember that. We are all very bored of your misrepresentation of the "truth" in relation to this topic.
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Vic Nicholas
I actually fly across from down under and play cricket in Scotland every year. The polls may show different at the moment, but Scotland I feel will choose to stay in the Union. Being there the last 10 weeks again I can tell you that the NO vote are not as loud and chest beating as the YES people. So you saying it's going to happen just shows you ignorance on this issue.
As for helmets in Scotland and Australia, the most poplular I see playing is still the trusty old plastic Albion, followed closely by Masuri. Never seen a Shrey in either country, but the Ayrtek makes the odd appearance!
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As far as I know both balls went between the grill and peak. The actual damage was caused by the protection, or lack of it, in the helmets. Then again that wouldn't fit the boring Shrey world domination English conspiracy rubbish you talk, would it? Now you have extended your area of expertise into politics, after stints as a doctor and cricket helmet expert/unpaid Shrey marketing exec it's getting a bit obvious you don't know what you are talking about.
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Are you aware of the legal problems shrey are facing Vic?
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Quite a few indians wearing the masuri double barred helmet this odi/t20 series.
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Vic Nicholas
I actually fly across from down under and play cricket in Scotland every year. The polls may show different at the moment, but Scotland I feel will choose to stay in the Union. Being there the last 10 weeks again I can tell you that the NO vote are not as loud and chest beating as the YES people. So you saying it's going to happen just shows you ignorance on this issue.
As for helmets in Scotland and Australia, the most poplular I see playing is still the trusty old plastic Albion, followed closely by Masuri. Never seen a Shrey in either country, but the Ayrtek makes the odd appearance!
Who for, out of noseyness?
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Are you aware of the legal problems shrey are facing Vic?
any more info?
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Not that I can give, I just thought because Vic was such an expert he would be up to speed.
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Who for, out of noseyness?
Without giving too much away - A club in the East!!!!
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Without giving too much away - A club in the East!!!!
Hope it's in the north then ;)
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Not that I can give, I just thought because Vic was such an expert he would be up to speed.
I have no idea.
Enlighten me...
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I have no idea.
Enlighten me...
I am still awaiting for someone, anyone, to enlighten me about this "legal action" that is being taken out against Shrey.
Who is it by?
What is the hoped for outcome?
When is it happening?
I am genuinely interested.
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Are you aware of the legal problems shrey are facing Vic?
I still await your basis for this spurious comment.
Can you please enlighten all of us who is taking legal action against Shrey, on what grounds and what outcome are they hoping to achieve?
I am really interested to know this as I have not heard anything.
Can you please enlighten us all?
At the moment, all I hear is the sounds of crickets in the dark...
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Was Just wondering who all have complied with the new regulations for Helmets. I know obviously Ayrtek have as well as Masuri. But has anyone else? The GN and GM 2014 catalogues just have old helmets in them...i doubt those are legal, so whats going on...anybody?
p.s. and im still looking for that thread where the haters are complaining about Adidas just stickering up Ayrtek helmets and trying to sell them as their own...the nerve of them:)
Acutely Jason adidas dont just sticker up ayrtek helmets because they are licences to adidas.
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I still await your basis for this spurious comment.
Can you please enlighten all of us who is taking legal action against Shrey, on what grounds and what outcome are they hoping to achieve?
I am really interested to know this as I have not heard anything.
Can you please enlighten us all?
At the moment, all I hear is the sounds of crickets in the dark...
How do you hear the crickets over the sounds of the marbles rolling around? You are the shrey spokesman Vic, have you tried contacting them?
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Given the IPL's popularity in India - which has more than a billion cricket crazy inhabitants - I suspect that Shrey has a long, happy future ahead filled with record sales.
The key factor for overwhelming majority of the indian market is price point. And in the specifics of the helmet market, hitting a price point that works out to approx £15. If Shrey can supply a helmet for that price then great, but I wouldn't want to wear one, even on a low, slow Indian road!
It is correct t say there are proceedings against Shrey. I do not know the specifics of what they are or who they are from, one could easily put 2 and 2 together and assume Masuri though.
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The key factor for overwhelming majority of the indian market is price point. And in the specifics of the helmet market, hitting a price point that works out to approx £15. If Shrey can supply a helmet for that price then great, but I wouldn't want to wear one, even on a low, slow Indian road!
It is correct t say there are proceedings against Shrey. I do not know the specifics of what they are or who they are from, one could easily put 2 and 2 together and assume Masuri though.
And you would be wrong.
No proceedings from anyone - and that includes Masuri.
Sorry to ruin your day.
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How do you hear the crickets over the sounds of the marbles rolling around? You are the shrey spokesman Vic, have you tried contacting them?
I asked Raghav after that insinuation in this thread if there was any legal action either presently happening, or even hinted at by anyone against Shrey in the not too distant future.
Mr Kohli's response was something along the lines of "No...there is no legal action from anyone. Who comes up with this stuff?"
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It is possible that Raghav wouldn't want to acknowledge that there are proceedings to someone who is not part of the management team of Shrey, of course, to avoid having to deal with even more difficult rumours!
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It is possible that Raghav wouldn't want to acknowledge that there are proceedings to someone who is not part of the management team of Shrey, of course, to avoid having to deal with even more difficult rumours!
When he received a legal letter in late January (I think), he was honest enough to tell me about it. But, it was resolved pretty quickly and that was that (it was from who you think it is).
There has been no further legal letters or actions since then.
Of course, you could be right, perhaps being an outsider Mr Kohli isn't going to share everything with me that is happening. If that is the case, that is fair enough.
I have to say though, Mr Kohli has been most forthcoming everytime I have messaged him with any question etc. A real gentleman.
BTW, I saw Shrey up close(ish) for the first time tonight at the indoor nets I attend. It was a guy from Deepdene CC wearing it and it looked pretty damn good.
Cannot wait to get my own before the season kicks off.
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And you would be wrong.
No proceedings from anyone - and that includes Masuri.
Sorry to ruin your day.
Who said anything about ruining my day? Talk has been rife all Summer that Shrey had something hanging over their heads, if it's all hot air or old news then fair enough, it wouldn't be the first time this industry has spread poor info. But (as has been pointed out) if a company had a legal matter coming up, they would be unlikely to share it with a member of the public, no matter how pro-Shrey that member of the public was.
I notice you didn't address my point regarding price points and the Indian market where you believe Shrey will be strong.
Shrey presented an altered design to the trade today away from the Lords show, in a hotel nearby.
With regard to your more recent posta bout seei g a Shrey in the flesh, Of course it looked good, it's the classic Masuri design that everyone loves, no-one is disputing that. The point is that the design does not pass a new safety standard the ICC have requested. Something Shrey themselves have seemingly now conceded, by presenting an updated design.
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Who said anything about ruining my day? Talk has been rife all Summer that Shrey had something hanging over their heads, if it's all hot air or old news then fair enough, it wouldn't be the first time this industry has spread poor info. But (as has been pointed out) if a company had a legal matter coming up, they would be unlikely to share it with a member of the public, no matter how pro-Shrey that member of the public was.
I notice you didn't address my point regarding price points and the Indian market where you believe Shrey will be strong.
Shrey presented an altered design to the trade today away from the Lords show, in a hotel nearby.
With regard to your more recent posta bout seei g a Shrey in the flesh, Of course it looked good, it's the classic Masuri design that everyone loves, no-one is disputing that. The point is that the design does not pass a new safety standard the ICC have requested. Something Shrey themselves have seemingly now conceded, by presenting an updated design.
I don't have any idea vis-à-vis price points of Shrey's in any market other than Oz where I am looking at buying myself.
Given that India has about 40 million people who are millionaires and above and tens of millions who are Middle Class which is growing everyday, I suspect they will never run out of customers.
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So what's all this about.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/20140918_175724_zpswwe5fobv.jpg) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/20140918_175724_zpswwe5fobv.jpg.html)
bailey in a shrey branded lid, which is clearly the new gray nics helmet.
Now have shrey ripped it off?
Do shrey make gray nics helmets?
Or does bailey prefer a bsi compliant helmet but has a sponsors deal with shrey so has got away round it??
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i thought the grill seemed really familiar
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going to stab a guess at his ipl team have a deal with shrey so he's badged up his usual GN lid?
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If you look at the shrey website it would lead you to believe that all the ipl teams are provided helmets by Shrey. In addition, Shrey have a new design in place following the recent changes. So there are a lot of possibilities in those two statements.
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going to stab a guess at his ipl team have a deal with shrey so he's badged up his usual GN lid?
That is my guess.
Bailley is an Gray Nicolls loyalist.
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I was at the lords show yesterday, had a look at the Shrey new fixed grill helmets with new peak looked very impressive and light and the prices are very good! So I expect most cricket retailers will be stocking these from November!
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Must have missed Shrey at Lords...
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Must have missed Shrey at Lords...
Did I read somewhere they were in a hotel down the street?
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Shrey were over the road in the hotel with Paceman!
Also had some nice clothing samples TK Sports