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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Ashes 2013/2014 => Topic started by: WalkingWicket37 on December 24, 2013, 11:06:21 PM
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Warner gobbing off again... http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/25504836 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/25504836)
"David Warner has promised that Australia's batsmen will attack Monty Panesar"
Month best avoid ending up in the same bar or club as Warner then...
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Isn't Sydney the pink one?
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Yeah pink test is always Sydney.
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I thought it was the Boxing Day one, blame Stella for my mistake lol...
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The sooner warner is out the game the better. Complete thug and tool.
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You can hate the guy for why he does off the field but you can't dispute what he does on it. Warner comes across as quite mild in this interview and I wouldn't expect anything less than for him to target monty and try and plant him into the stands.
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You can hate the guy for why he does off the field but you can't dispute what he does on it. Warner comes across as quite mild in this interview and I wouldn't expect anything less than for him to target monty and try and plant him into the stands.
Exactly, can't see where he was gobbing off in this interview.
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I think what was said in that article is completely fine. If that's going to upset anyone I think they Better run to mummy to get their wet nappy changed... For gods sake
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Warner gobbing off again... [url]http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/25504836[/url] ([url]http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/25504836[/url])
"David Warner has promised that Australia's batsmen will attack Monty Panesar"
Month best avoid ending up in the same bar or club as Warner then...
Warner vs Monty in a bar, I can just see it now.
Monty leaves with a split lip and Warner with very "wet" shoes.
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I thought Monty was a reformed character now using the gents instead of the doormen. Lol
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Bairstow is supposed to be taking over the gloves from prior
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Whats the team going to be has anyone got any inside information? Has anyone else retired while we have been eating our turkey?
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Just came home to find out I have no Sky signal from as a result I guess from the storm we had on Monday. Well there goes my plan of staying up to watch the 4th Test.
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Just came home to find out I have no Sky signal from as a result I guess from the storm we had on Monday. Well there goes my plan of staying up to watch the 4th Test.
Is your wifi still working and watch it via sky go?
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I'd love to see this side, let's have a look at a few of them.
Cook
Carberry
Bell
KP
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Borthwick
Finn
Rankin
Anderson
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Is your wifi still working and watch it via sky go?
Yea wifi is still working but would prefer to lounge in my lazy boy and watch but needs must I guess.
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Dropping broad would be stupid, Anderson on the other hand....
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Dropping broad would be stupid, Anderson on the other hand....
He's not fit, couldn't walk at the last net session.
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He's not fit, couldn't walk at the last net session.
Is he not? He was netting half-pace last time I saw?
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Anyone any info on the actual team yet?
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prior dropped, Panasar been presented with a 50th test cap...
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Is he not? He was netting half-pace last time I saw?
Certainly not 100%.
Why bother playing him at 75%.
And on Panesar what are we going to find out that we don't already know. Bowls at 56mph and doesn't vary it. Be brave England.
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I wouldn't like to get dropped even if I was out of form and someone kept their place in the team who wasn't 100% fit and no one can say that Broad is a 100% fit for this test match.
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Cook
Carbs
Root
KP
Bell
Stokes
Bairstow
Brensnan
Anderson
Finn
Panesar
That's the team.... Well my guess anyway
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And I would be wrong lol
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Looks like broad, bairstow and Monty are going to be in...
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Personally dont believe for a minute that broad is 100% fit. The management just stumble from 1 disaster to another. Wait and see Broad will take 8 wickets during the match and score 2 fifties and i will look a right charlie. lol
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Come on England Cooks due a big one.
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Happy birthday to me!!!!!!!!!!
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Hope it is happy birthday to the English skipper mate.
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I get the feeling Clarke's decision was heavily influenced at the toss. He's always been a bat first.
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I'd have bowled.. :D
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Michael Clarke has ruined my Boxing Day!!!
'When you win the toss bat. If you are in doubt, think about it, then bat. If you have very big doubts, consult a colleague then bat.
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Boycott just saying how bad a bowler Sidall was, Cook out next ball, sometimes wish Boycott would shut up.
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Boycott just saying how bad a bowler Sidall was, Cook out next ball, sometimes wish Boycott would shut up.
178 wickets at an average of 28 and economy rate of 2.94 hmmm yeah a terrible bowler
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Didn't say I agreed with Boycott I very rarely would agree with him. What I do know I have watched Siddle in action and I certainly would have him in my team if I was picking the team.
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Yeah just not sure what Boycott is thinking with that statement.
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Some of Boycott's statements are baffling at times.I wish i was a good a player as his Mum and Grandma that he is always talking about on TMS. Dont think that sort of rubbish he talks helps anyone at all mate.
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Joe Root is looking hesitant. Hope he can dig in and get himself a biggie. Carberry as well, deserves a ton after 4 good starts this series.
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What's the reason for all these flies at MCG ? Everyone's shirts are full on those, specially the Umpire. That can be a big distraction.
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Play in the Victorian country and you have it every game, and you're right - very distracting!
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hilarious how england still dont let finn or rankin play
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178 wickets at an average of 28 and economy rate of 2.94 hmmm yeah a terrible bowler
Check the ICC rankings, Siddle is "way down" at 6. :) So there are currently only 5 better bowlers in the World at the moment. Ryan Harris is at 5.
Siddle is not like a natural flair or wicket taker bowler, just keeps a good line and length and can bowl all day to grind batsmen down.
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Another day of slow attritional cricket from England. 200 odd on the board when the new ball comes doesn't really give you much chance.
Pretty much all batsmen have got in today and then got out.
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I didn't get o see much of bairstow but he looked out of his depth to me, he seemed to be backing away most balls, hope his keeping is better.
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Another miserable ashes morning. Good to see KP still hanging in there.
Now they've dropped Prior - can anyone see a way back into international cricket for him?
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Another miserable ashes morning. Good to see KP still hanging in there.
Now they've dropped Prior - can anyone see a way back into international cricket for him?
The way Bairstow is batting at this level, I would say that there is every chance that Prior could get back in!
I still think that Buttler could eventually take the gloves, although he is not ready for international test level yet!
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I really don't think Buttler is even close - lets face it, he has limited first class experience and a less than stellar record at that form of the game. I suspect Prior will come back for the English Summer, but that Bairstow will be his long term successor (if Foakes is not performing brilliantly in the First Class game by that time)
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Kieswetter is ahead of Buttler for the test side I think, he has a far more accomplished record at FC and that says it all. Foakes is definitely being groomed for the test slot. Hopefully England get someone in with a view to the future, give him a good run and judge him them. Bairstow's frailties with the bat are upsetting the plan a bit.
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Only just watching it all off record so just seen Cook out. FFS Cook stop playing at balls out there!!! 100% got yourself out again.
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We looked very timid, very hesitant and still can't deal with MJ. Unless KP can perform a miracle tomorrow, I can't see us getting 300. We need to bowl really well here - although I do fancy Monty to do well.
Very, very frustrating to watch how we have lost so much confidence and ability (although fair play to the Aussie bowlers).
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Hopefully KP can get a big ton and the tail can bat around him. Didn't see the Stokes dismissal but watched Bairstow batting and he certainly didn't look comfortable at all. Is it just me but I seem to have developed an intense dislike of Warner?
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Hopefully KP can get a big ton and the tail can bat around him. Didn't see the Stokes dismissal but watched Bairstow batting and he certainly didn't look comfortable at all. Is it just me but I seem to have developed an intense dislike of Warner?
Stokes was a ball he probably didn't need to play at but his no were near as guilty as cook at playing at balls he doesn't need to play at. I remember cook having the temperament to bat for days and leave the ball so well but he seems to be consistently playing at balls he has no need to. The slow scoring rate wouldn't be an issue if we had only lost 3-4 wickets but 220 in 90 overs for the loss of 6 is poor batting with a very poor mindset in my opinion.
The ball that got JB was a good nut but massive gap between bat & pad but good bowling by MJ forced him back which he didn't look comfortable against them hit top of off peg.
Agree Warner I think is the main person Swann was on about when he says up there own (No Swearing Please) whilst on a high. Wasn't so cocky when he was acting the village idiot and not being selected. Great player but not a great cricketer.
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What does everyone think the best possible outcome can be for England from 226-6? I just want us to at least make a fight of it with the Aussies. Mind I am taking nothing away from what their guys have achieved, but our much lauded batting line up haven't helped in the situation. Our only ton to date scored by a 22 year old playing in his 2nd Test, what on earth have our batting coaches been doing while they have been out there looks to me as if all they have been doing is collecting there pay checks.
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KP has one of his days and Bresnan really dogs it out with him. They put on 60 together.
KP then puts on another 30 with the rest of the tail, plus a few extras, and we end up at 320.
Then Broad and Anderson really put in a shift and knock over the first 4 or 5. Then surprise of surprises, Monty comes on and cleans up and we end up with an 80 run lead.
It's cheap Lage and too much sugar this time.
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How can England justify Jonny Bairstow being in the side?
He showed no guts or fight whatsoever.
Backing away at Test level, when he's basically a pure batsman. Johnson's hardly breaking bones...
Very weak.
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Quite right - we've seen enough.
I wouldn't let him bat in the second innings.
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Quite right - we've seen enough.
I wouldn't let him bat in the second innings.
Pick Davies instead!
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Stokes was a ball he probably didn't need to play at but his no were near as guilty as cook at playing at balls he doesn't need to play at. I remember cook having the temperament to bat for days and leave the ball so well but he seems to be consistently playing at balls he has no need to. The slow scoring rate wouldn't be an issue if we had only lost 3-4 wickets but 220 in 90 overs for the loss of 6 is poor batting with a very poor mindset in my opinion.
The ball that got JB was a good nut but massive gap between bat & pad but good bowling by MJ forced him back which he didn't look comfortable against them hit top of off peg.
Agree Warner I think is the main person Swann was on about when he says up there own (No Swearing Please) whilst on a high. Wasn't so cocky when he was acting the village idiot and not being selected. Great player but not a great cricketer.
Swann: "Some people playing the game at the minute have no idea how far up their own backsides they are and it will bite them on the a*** one day," Swann told The Sun.
"And when it does, I hope they look back and are embarrassed about how they carry on. No names.
"It really annoys me when people take playing for England for granted and get above their station. Its the most privileged thing they can do."
You seriously believe Swann wasn't talking about his own team? Really?
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Think he was talking about Nathan Lyons
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Having just watched the interview with Ian Ward, Swann's facial expressions definitely showed some guilt! He was definitely talking about English and Australian players alike.....in my opinion anyway
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For those who were calling for KP to quit... A tweet from Tickers Cricket... Thought it might be of interest for the statto's out there
SHAMELESS STAT MANIPULATION! KP in Tests since August: 535 runs at 44.58
#outofform #noheart #mug #backside #foreign #drophim
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It did look as if Bairstow was backing away, its not an excuse but the poor lads been carrying the drinks on for a long time he hasn't exactly been getting a lot of time out in the middle has he?
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I'm mainly looking forward to Brett Lee knocking Piers Morgans lid off, it is going to happen about 4am I believe? No doubt Sky won't show it so I'm hoping to find a stream of Aus coverage or pray that someone gets it put on YouTube quickly.
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Hope when Lee has finished with him there is nothing left of him. Nearly dislike him as much as Warner.
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7 Balls into the morning and Bresnan is back in the hutch great start not again!!!!!!
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Not a great start bres and peitersen already out
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not sure what KP was thinking this morning. All that hard work yesterday undone! Broad can bat a bit so just don't understand it.
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240 looks out of our reach now absolute nightmare.
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Dont think he was thinking at all.
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Pathetic cricket from England.
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I am so sick of watching this rubbish. What the hell was KP thinking, and how must broad feel if KP bats like that when he comes out.
I actually hope we drop a lot of this old guard now which goes against what I have said in the past. Yes MJ is bowling well but some of these players are embarrassing themselves.
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For Duckworth Lewis' sake!
Another big lead for Australia after the 1st innings it is then...
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I'm mainly looking forward to Brett Lee knocking Piers Morgans lid off, it is going to happen about 4am I believe? No doubt Sky won't show it so I'm hoping to find a stream of Aus coverage or pray that someone gets it put on YouTube quickly.
According to TMS it's happening about 01.30 our time.
Will there be an ambulance on standby :D
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Broad hits a great shot like that and Pietersens all ready gone. What happened to trying to build partnerships. Couldn't have had a worse start.
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TMS are interviewing him at 01:30 our time I think Brett is hopefully poleaxing Morgan during the tea interval.
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I think KP hates Broad the most.
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Broad's gone. Bet he's looking forward to two days bowling medium pace.
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England players brains have been scrambled completely by Johnson's pace. It seems to be having the affect of making every ball delivered by any of the other seamers look like a heat seeking missile!
Harris is a decent fast medium bowler, but Broad has faced quicker and yet is hoping around all over the place when facing him.
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Broad is backing away too this is pathetic.
I support our boys good or bad but this is gutless cricket
On a side note George Bailey must believe his hype or something I mean he hardly a great cricketer and he is seen dishing out loads I just tell him to f right off
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We will see how fit he is during those 2 days wont we.
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Agree totally with the comments on George Bailey he has been at it all series.
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Jimmy and Monty against Mitchel Johnson, think that's time to turn this off for tonight then... :(
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At work so will continue to listen to TMS however if I was at home I would give up aswell.
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Well I'm glad I stayed up for this!
Another train wreck batting display from England, this is like a repeat of 2007 :(
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I wonder how many overs it will take the Aussies to get past our total. Whats anyones thoughts they will get there before we get another new ball.
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I wonder how many overs it will take the Aussies to get past our total. Whats anyones thoughts they will get there before we get another new ball.
Anyone else thinking 100 lead for the Aussies by close of play??
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Mitchell Johnson unbelievable resurrection is nearly complete.
28 wickets @ 15 a piece.
3 x 5 wicket haul.
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We need big inroads with the new ball or we are in serious trouble
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England are now fielding with Broad who can't be 100%, Ron Weasley keeping for the first time in a test & Monty, the most one dimensional spinner in international cricket.
This tour has been something of a disaster thus far, but England aren't even putting out their strongest side anymore. I'm not saying this disrespectfully, but the sooner this series is over the better!
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Mitchell Johnson unbelievable resurrection is nearly complete.
28 wickets @ 15 a piece.
3 x 5 wicket haul.
He has 10 Michelle's in test matches.
5 have come against England and 3 have been in this series.
Either England are totally useless or they bring out his best.
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There are still another 3 innings left for him to add to his tally of wickets.
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Flat track bully is gone
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How sad simply can't warm to Mr Warner.
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How sad simply can't warm to Mr Warner.
How's his average away from home?
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Not sure but last time he was in England he had to take a detour to Harare didn't he.
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Not sure but last time he was in England he had to take a detour to Harare didn't he.
No 100's away from home. Averaging in the low 20's. Failures in West Indies, India and England.
Can't play away from home. Flat track bully
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Bowling Stoker!!!
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Not just a flat track bully hes the same in a night club allegedly
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If the pitches are so flat in Australia, why are England's batsmen walking wickets?
Use some commen sense...
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They are flat to eliminate England's bowling. It is useless batting which has lost this series.
Needs to be an inquest - one where some people lose their places.
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If the pitches are so flat in Australia, why are England's batsmen walking wickets?
Use some commen sense...
England batsmen are overrated. Been failing for a long time, bowlers have saved them for a long time with late order runs and bowling them out of trouble.
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Big session just starting hopefully we can whittle some more out and try and put the Aussies under a little bit of pressure for the 1st time in the series.
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Come on England 3 down now Pup in the hutch lets have a couple more.
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Smith using the new Slazenger kit. Wonder if it's the same bat cleaned up and re-stickered?
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Mitchell Johnson unbelievable resurrection is nearly complete.
28 wickets @ 15 a piece.
3 x 5 wicket haul.
Gee imagine if they weren't all flat tracks like some of the more knowledgeable chaps on here are suggesting, wonder what his average would be then.
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England on top at the moment after a good catch by Bell.
The question is who will take the game away from the English...
Bailey?
Haddin?
Johnson?
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Come on England hope Baileys battings as top notch as his sledging.
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Haddin also using the UK bubble branding.
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Middle finger for the England team from the MCG crowd as Roger departs ...LOL
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/Ashes2013_zps35c79126.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/Ashes2013_zps35c79126.jpg.html)
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Haddin also using the UK bubble branding.
The UK Bubble is available from retailers in Australia as well as the Aussie version
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Haddin also using the UK bubble branding.
The retro Bubble branding is now available in Australia.
http://www.kingsgrovesports.com.au/prd_1697_Kookaburra-Bubble-Legend-Cricket-Bat-NEW (http://www.kingsgrovesports.com.au/prd_1697_Kookaburra-Bubble-Legend-Cricket-Bat-NEW)!.aspx
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The UK Bubble is available from retailers in Australia as well as the Aussie version
True. But the shape and concept between the 2 is slightly different. Wonder which one Haddin is actually using?
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How are they different?
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Wonder which one Haddin is actually using?
He was restickering whatever his previous bat was.
(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/459265981-michael-clarke-and-brad-haddin-of-australia-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7Qbs%2b9c4cmgMZNosH2mYhWJ4tPEIEtc8gPK90MQlThXYXX%2fFyeD73HWA0fjnFdNYoIw%3d%3d&p=1)
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How are they different?
Different middle positions.
Also I thought Kookaburra UK and Kookaburra Aus were two separate businesses? A lot like GN (the legends being considerably different). I would have thought the only people benefiting Haddin using the UK branding would be Kookaburra UK or the retailers. Unless Kook Aus are planning on changing to the retro styling.
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Kingsgrove Sports are advertising them as 'New from the UK'. They are also Bubble Legend and Five Star which I understand are the UK models, the Aussie Bubbles are called Bubble II. I think they will sell well due to the retro stickers.
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Different middle positions.
Also I thought Kookaburra UK and Kookaburra Aus were two separate businesses? A lot like GN (the legends being considerably different). I would have thought the only people benefiting Haddin using the UK branding would be Kookaburra UK or the retailers. Unless Kook Aus are planning on changing to the retro styling.
The ones I seen at Kingsgrove on Monday looked almost identical to each other apart from the stickers
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Shock! Woke up this morning to find England have had the better of a day in this test series. Still a bit worried about Haddin still being there. We need as big a lead as possible. With Johnson in the form he is in you always worry he could blow the batting away in the second dig.
How many do England need to win this test match? 300 lead?
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The ones I seen at Kingsgrove on Monday looked almost identical to each other apart from the stickers
I've not seen them next to each other, I'm going off the descriptions of the 2. UK says it has a low middle, Aus says mid to high.
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Gee imagine if they weren't all flat tracks like some of the more knowledgeable chaps on here are suggesting, wonder what his average would be then.
Not flat tracks, but they've been good cricket wickets. Certainly not raging green tops!
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Having a look at the two online they do look very similar, but there is some difference.
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There is no difference bar the stickering.
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Aus one looks to have a higher middle
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England need at least 500 lead. Tomorrow will be day 3 when tracks tend to be at there best . I'm we get blown away and leave them 300 odd I would fancy Aus. 500 realisticly leaves them no chance .
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Anything over 400 will be nice.The Aussies have had a bad day but they aren't out of this match yet far from it.
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400 lead would mean we'd need to stumble over 300 ish (assuming we get haddin or lyon quickly). Given previous on this series we'd do well to get that
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Nice to see Mr Bailey receive some justice
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would be nice to be able to get to 300 odd in our second dig and put them under some real pressure for the first time this series.
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Nice to see Mr Bailey receive some justice
Care to explain?
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He gives it big in the field needs to back it up with his ability
Borrowed time he is on till one of the young bucks makes the breakthrough like Maddinson
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Fair enough! Just wasn't sure.
Marcus North is who I'd bring in. Experienced, in form and a spin option
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He gives it big in the field needs to back it up with his ability
Borrowed time he is on till one of the young bucks makes the breakthrough like Maddinson
To be fair he gets as good as he gives though especially from Anderson who is hardly backing it up this ashes series with only 10 wickets @ 46 including the 3 wickets from this innings
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Bowl. At. The. *******. Stumps!
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Or just get a lucky wicket with a short ball... That showed what I know!
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England will collapse again today. 200-250 ish.
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England charging along here. 20-0 off 3.2 and Mitch fires one down leg for 4 byes :-)
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Or just get a lucky wicket with a short ball... That showed what I know!
lol.....whenever we need something ot happen you need to let us know what you think Cameron because this isn't the first time something completely different gets the result. You seem to be a lucky charm of sorts
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Johnson looks like he is giving Carbs some lip every single ball!
I would love it if they turned the stump microphone up!!!
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Aus might be in a spot of bother here. Lyon on in the 5th over and Harris seeing the Physio. Not sure Watson will bowl much more in this test. If they are down to 3 and a bit fit bowlers then it could make life very difficult. Clarke will have to bowl Mitch much more and his pace will drop. Also very warm today by the looks of it.
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Cook faster than Tendulkar to 8000. He won't be a great of the game though. Overrated.
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Cook faster than Tendulkar to 8000. He won't be a great of the game though. Overrated.
Harsh.
I agree he may never be considered a great but by the time he finishes he could be the leading run scorer in tests. He isn't pretty but mighty effective.
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Nice landmark to get to - 8000 Test runs.
And I suspect that Cook may have played more tests than Sachine to reach that 8000 run landmark.
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Nice landmark to get to - 8000 Test runs.
And I suspect that Cook may have played more tests than Sachine to reach that 8000 run landmark.
Agree but Cook has probably batted on more seamer friendly decks than sachin.
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Sangakkara beats Tendulkar by 3 innings to record at 152 innings
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Harsh.
I agree he may never be considered a great but by the time he finishes he could be the leading run scorer in tests. He isn't pretty but mighty effective.
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Sorry I should add I was being sarcastic. Some people think he's overrated. I don't.
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Well Watson is bowling. Be surprised if he gets through many.
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Well Watson is bowling. Be surprised if he gets through many.
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I agree. He gives off the impression his body is about to fall apart!
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That 4 ball it looked like he was limping. Still looked more threatening than Siddle has in 5 overs. Any point to bowling a foot outside off when you need wickets and its baking hot.
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An attempt to reduce the run rate i imagine
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An attempt to reduce the run rate i imagine
Yes probably is but can Aus afford to do that? Its warm out there and the deck looks good enough for england to sit in. Dont imagine cook will mind today if he grinds it out and is 250 ahead by tonight. Can't see the point of adding miles in the legs. The aus seamers have also had less than 3 sessions break for a change.
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I can only imagine it's an attempt to build pressure to hope for a mistake. Looking pretty comfortable so far and they say it's around 39 degrees so definitely a hot one!
Carberry really does have to grind his way through. I hope he is rewarded soon with a big score
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Agree but Cook has probably batted on more seamer friendly decks than sachin.
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You know Tendulkar has scored 5387 runs @ 51 against Aus, Eng, NZ and SA away fr India. That includes 17 hundreds.
Seemed to play well enough on seaming/bouncy tracks.
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You know Tendulkar has scored 5387 runs @ 51 against Aus, Eng, NZ and SA away fr India. That includes 17 hundreds.
Seemed to play well enough on seaming/bouncy tracks.
tendulkar played against Better bowlers too. Even on the subcontinent likes of waqar, wasim, warne etc
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Don't see Carberry strutting around like Viv now ;)
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Root has decided to give his wicket away, I sense a collapse coming :-(
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God knows what bell was doing :-(
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And the hits just keep on coming... Unbelievable
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Village stuff.
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As well has Johnson has bowled in this series he is a complete and utter (No Swearing Please)
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As well has Johnson has bowled in this series he is a complete and utter (No Swearing Please)
Why? Pietersen has wasted time all day, pulled away 4-5 times when the bowler is running in. Should've hit him in the head!
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England yet again batting like my village team. Get through the handful of people who can bat and the rest are just a wicket waiting to happen. Sad thing though is come the 5th test and next summer we'll only see a bowling change or two.
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Very poor from England, had a great chance to set up a big chase for Aus, but threw away far too many wickets cheaply. Australia looking pretty good with the bat at the moment.
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Why? Pietersen has wasted time all day, pulled away 4-5 times when the bowler is running in. Should've hit him in the head!
If there is movement behind the bowlers arm he's more than entitled to pull away. Chucking the ball like Johnson did just shows the guys true colours. I'm all for hard cricket but that's absolutely pathetic. Look forward to all those Aussie kids doing that in their junior cricket when they imitate their idol
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Not again. England batsmen - what are you doing. Batting like a village team. Here for a good time not a long time!
Needed at least 300 to set up some sort of a game. Wicket looks like its getting better to bat on.
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Very poor from England, had a great chance to set up a big chase for Aus, but threw away far too many wickets cheaply. Australia looking pretty good with the bat at the moment.
Yep spot on, lost 3 wickets for 1 run and then 5 wickets for 6 runs. Just not good enough from the top order. Carberry root and bell all very disappointing. Needed cook or KP to go big after they got in
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Just saying. I did say they'd be all out for 150-180!!
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If there is movement behind the bowlers arm he's more than entitled to pull away. Chucking the ball like Johnson did just shows the guys true colours. I'm all for hard cricket but that's absolutely pathetic. Look forward to all those Aussie kids doing that in their junior cricket when they imitate their idol
I think all this pulling away is ridiculous... They have the sight screen and about 30mtrs each side of the screen covered with white tarp. How much bigger sight screen do they need? The biggest sight screen in the history of the game these days and yet they still see movement behind the bowler... Tell me how? KP's ego and firing Johnson up isn't in the best interests of his tail enders.
Just to add I don't condone Johnson throwing the ball either
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Well bowled Nathan Lyon as well.. 100 test wickets and a five fer well done!!
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I think all this pulling away is ridiculous... They have the sight screen and about 30mtrs each side of the screen covered with white tarp. How much bigger sight screen do they need? The biggest sight screen in the history of the game these days and yet they still see movement behind the bowler... Tell me how? KP's ego and firing Johnson up isn't in the best interests of his tail enders.
Just to add I don't condone Johnson throwing the ball either
If you're getting side-tracked by movement like that, then IMO you aren't concentrating hard enough on the ball. I'd have no problem with Johnson continuing on with the bowling motion if that happens again, the sudden stopping could cause injury to the back/shoulder/legs, and frankly I'm sick of the blatant time-wasting by England this series, hope Cook gets suspended for it.
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I think all this pulling away is ridiculous... They have the sight screen and about 30mtrs each side of the screen covered with white tarp. How much bigger sight screen do they need? The biggest sight screen in the history of the game these days and yet they still see movement behind the bowler... Tell me how? KP's ego and firing Johnson up isn't in the best interests of his tail enders.
Just to add I don't condone Johnson throwing the ball either
I agree that it can be frustrating and sometimes a bit of a tactic but i can't imagine its nowhere near enough to warrant Johnson throwing the ball like he did
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If you're getting side-tracked by movement like that, then IMO you aren't concentrating hard enough on the ball. I'd have no problem with Johnson continuing on with the bowling motion if that happens again, the sudden stopping could cause injury to the back/shoulder/legs, and frankly I'm sick of the blatant time-wasting by England this series, hope Cook gets suspended for it.
Not even the most die hard aussie could say Johnson carried in with his bowling motion. I know he's a bit slingy but he chucked the ball well before his delivery stride.
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Not even the most die hard aussie could say Johnson carried in with his bowling motion. I know he's a bit slangy but he chucked the ball
I never said he did. Yeah he threw it, and I don't balme him, but as I said, if it happens again, he's more than entitled to continue bowling.
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plus he threw it to slip so it was no where near the batsman.
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plus he threw it to slip so it was no where near the batsman.
well yeah but for me its that he threw it in the first place. Its the sort of behaviour that doesn't belong in cricket in my opinion. I'm not trying to get on my high horse here and i know england (and other countries) are just as bad. It shouldn't happen regardless of what country you are from
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yes mate agreed!
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I think the way this series has been blown all out of proportion by the media with the sledging etc but it will be interesting to see the effect it has on normal cricket. I know every league has that team who are full of idiots but i just hope this doesn't start creeping in. Some of the behaviour is a bit too football for me
Anyway back to the game. Aus favourites to chase this down? Would be the biggest chase on a drop in pitch at the MCG if they do it. Got a feeling Warner will go for quick runs tomorrow to really put the pressure on the england bowlers
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well yeah but for me its that he threw it in the first place. Its the sort of behaviour that doesn't belong in cricket in my opinion. I'm not trying to get on my high horse here and i know england (and other countries) are just as bad. It shouldn't happen regardless of what country you are from
KP did it several times to Siddle when he was entering his delivery stride - I think this was a build up of episodes and Johnson let out what the the team was feeling - there was no way anyone was going to be injured by what happened.
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True bit my point is all of this shouldn't be going on. That or maybe I'm just being a bit sensitive!
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All i can say about this England batting unit is that if I under performed for this long at my day job I would be relieved of my duties . Enough said.
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I think England is playing great ;) just how I want them to perform
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I think England is playing great ;) just how I want them to perform
TBH, they are not doing too bad, apart from their batting, bowling and fielding, they are doing alright.
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England played bloody brilliantly... Except for the batting, catching and the bowling. Apart from that, top day :(
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We're going to win tomorrow. Broad's going to have one of 'those' spells, and we're going to squeak it.
However, if heads don't roll after this pathetic shambles then my name's not Gloria Pombasher!
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Some of them players are surely playing for there futures at this level
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I think it will be a very interesting chase tomorrow... Could go either way
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We're going to win tomorrow. Broad's going to have one of 'those' spells, and we're going to squeak it.
However, if heads don't roll after this pathetic shambles then my name's not Gloria Pombasher!
I thought it was Plumbasher?
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Some of them players are surely playing for there futures at this level
You'd hope so. As someone said earlier, if we performed this badly for a prolonged period at work we'd be fired .
Aus don't seem to want this game quite as much so England could still win but they shouldn't really if aus perform like the first three tests.
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We're going to win tomorrow. Broad's going to have one of 'those' spells, and we're going to squeak it.
However, if heads don't roll after this pathetic shambles then my name's not Gloria Pombasher!
Who exactly?
Flower? Cook? Backroom staff?
How about, if there are no major changes after this series, you change your name on here to that (for a period of time)?
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Anything could happen tomorrow of course, but Australia should win - the pitch looked pretty flat today. If they were chasing 350 or 400 it could have been very different. England just don't have enough runs in the bank in my opinion.
Alot of the batting was very poor, but if I was an England fan I would have been particularly upset with the likes of Bell (being arguably the best/in form batsman at the moment in the team). Not sure what Carberry was doing, but 12 of 85 balls on that wicket was crap. I thought KP played pretty well, just ran out of support. Bairstow looks to have a few technical issues. Broad's batting is a complete mess at the moment, he used to be fairly solid in the lower order, same can be said about Tim Bresnan. Stokes played a reckless shot, but you can maybe put that down to inexperience. Broad almost seemed that he'd rather be out than face Johnson again.
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I thought it was Plumbasher?
Not since I fashioned my own box from an old Fray Bentos tin!
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Who exactly?
Flower? Cook? Backroom staff?
How about, if there are no major changes after this series, you change your name on here to that (for a period of time)?
Flower yes. Cook as captain possibly. Root and Bell to swap. Gooch as batting coach, Anderson and KP to tests only,
And yes, you get a mod to agree it and I would happily change my name on here if there were no major changes - that would be a disgrace and a farragio!
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Chopra might get a chance with Robson.
I have watched and watched i love my cricket side by this is a joke our batting is very poor
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Vaughan says you can't blame Gooch for the poor batting. Despite being one of my all time hero's I totally disagree and can't see how he can stay. Our lower order batting has been appalling for sometime and that has to be down to him as they don't play their cricket anywhere else other than with England. The Aussie's last wicket put on 40+ and yet our entire lower order get skittled time and time again. As soon as Bairstow went you knew we wouldn't get to 200 but even I didn't think it would be that quick and lame.
More than likely we will now lose this game. If Balance, Rankin, Finn and Borthwick don't get a game in the 5th test then they should sack the lot of them.
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What has happened to broad? His ton against Pakistan made him look like a player with huge potential to be an allrounder.
Now he looks like a bunny, lucky to get into double figures?
Anderson was night watchman not long ago, but there's no way you'd send him in on current form?
And swann(although retired now anyway) used to slap his way to 30plus for fun at the ne of most innings.
How can 3 players abilities drop so dramatically (less so for Anderson) in such a short period of time?
Are the being coached correctly?
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What has happened to broad? His ton against Pakistan made him look like a player with huge potential to be an allrounder.
Now he looks like a bunny, lucky to get into double figures?
Anderson was night watchman not long ago, but there's no way you'd send him in on current form?
And swann(although retired now anyway) used to slap his way to 30plus for fun at the ne of most innings.
How can 3 players abilities drop so dramatically (less so for Anderson) in such a short period of time?
Are the being coached correctly?
Are they being coached at all??
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Vaughan says you can't blame Gooch for the poor batting. Despite being one of my all time hero's I totally disagree and can't see how he can stay. Our lower order batting has been appalling for sometime and that has to be down to him as they don't play their cricket anywhere else other than with England. The Aussie's last wicket put on 40+ and yet our entire lower order get skittled time and time again. As soon as Bairstow went you knew we wouldn't get to 200 but even I didn't think it would be that quick and lame.
Sorry but Gooch is there to improve the batting, he's the batting coach. Whatever he is doing it's not working and it's technical as much as mental issues. Why JB with 2 years of test cricket is still bringing the bat down crooked is a mystery. I find it interesting that 3 of the players that started in the Fletcher era - KP, Cook, Bell are still our most reliable batsman. Albeit Cook is heavily influenced by Gooch. Ultimately it's converting starts that has been the issue for the top order - always a sign of good bowling pressure imho, look no further than 2005 for another example of not converting starts. The lower order has been a shambles but they should of seen it coming after the first test and acted on it. When Broad started test cricket he could hook as well as anyone, now he just craps himself. The most stupid thing is on paper Bres/Broad ought to be better than Johnson/Harris, but not this series.
The biggest issue is the lower order will start to be picked on batting ability - ie. borthwick for monty, and this will weaken our bowling options.
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Are they being coached at all??
I saw a piece on sky during the warm up, where pietersen was coaching Finn.
Which does ask your question, do the proper coaches bother with the bowlers at all currently?
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I saw a piece on sky during the warm up, where pietersen was coaching Finn.
Which does ask your question, do the proper coaches bother with the bowlers at all currently?
I'm reading Jimmy's book at the moment and he says there is a buddy system where a batsmen works with a bowler on their batting.
Jimmy was paired up with Alistair Cook as they were both left handed. So there is a possibility the lower order don't get formal batting coaching, and work solely with their buddy.
I'm wondering if the bowing works the same way too, will we soon see Finn playing the switch hit, Jimmy batting for days, with KP bowling 85mph bumpers and Cookie swinging it round corners ;)
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I might be old fashioned but I'd have them devoting several hours a day on their batting with a coach. I don't remember many of our Olympic medallists getting a mate to coach them now and again.
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Thought boycott had it spot on:
"They think they're better than they are, they've won three series against ordinary Australian sides and they think they're world beaters."
Wasn't too long ago that the skysports commentators were comparing this England side to the great West Indies side.
Few easy test series coming up should help prop the averages back up.
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. The most stupid thing is on paper Bres/Broad ought to be better than Johnson/Harris, but not this series.
In whose deluded mind???
Bres/Broad have NEVER been better than Johnson/Harris. Only someone ingesting industrial quantities of hallucinogenic drugs would think so in the first place.
Sweet Jayzus you guys are deluded.
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Harris is injury prone and Mitch can be a tad wayward at times. Broad and Bresnan can be more accurate.
Taking everything bowling wise into account, I think they way Mitch has bowled and the fact Harris has been injury free, that'll always be the better pick.
I'd say Harris, Broad, Johnson, Bresnan most would pick. If you wanted pace, move Johnson up
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In whose deluded mind???
Bres/Broad have NEVER been better than Johnson/Harris. Only someone ingesting industrial quantities of hallucinogenic drugs would think so in the first place.
Sweet Jayzus you guys are deluded.
On paper just like he said that's who!
Haven't seen stats myself but as uknsaunders said I'd guess they would suggest (remember that doesn't prove anything) broad and bres have better stats than Harris and johnson going into this series
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I saw a piece on sky during the warm up, where pietersen was coaching Finn.
Which does ask your question, do the proper coaches bother with the bowlers at all currently?
One batting coach, squad of 18-20.
That is very little time to spend with someone if you are spreading yourself that thing.
As Cook, Pietersen etc are needed to practice bowling that much, it makes sense in that regard.
Whether it works in practice, that is a whole different kettle of fish.
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Having watched pieces from the other ashes series in aus of late the England batsmen "bunnied" with a tailender. Not sure if this still happens buy would explain the KP/Finn stuff
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One batting coach, squad of 18-20.
That is very little time to spend with someone if you are spreading yourself that thing.
As Cook, Pietersen etc are needed to practice bowling that much, it makes sense in that regard.
Whether it works in practice, that is a whole different kettle of fish.
True, it's not like that's all they do in life... Oh wait. Not enough time is not a reason, if it is they should work harder and more hours
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In whose deluded mind???
Bres/Broad have NEVER been better than Johnson/Harris. Only someone ingesting industrial quantities of hallucinogenic drugs would think so in the first place.
Sweet Jayzus you guys are deluded.
I was talking about batting ability, if you read my whole post correctly.
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I think Goochie will have to fall on his sword after this series, the batting has gone backwards during the last 18 months. nice guy. daddy hundreds are great, but the technical weaknesses aren't being fixed. average first innings scores have evaporated. it is clear to see and has been said loads of times.
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True, it's not like that's all they do in life... Oh wait. Not enough time is not a reason, if it is they should work harder and more hours
So, are you saying that the proper batsmen shouldn't get more time than the bowlers?
Squad of 20, work for 10 hours a day, that's 30 minutes each per day to work with your best batsmen.
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I was talking about batting ability, if you read my whole post correctly.
Even then...
Johnson has an unbeaten 120 odd versus SA
An unbeaten 90 odd versus SA
At least one other score over 90
Plus 70's and 60's.
Not the biggest dud with a bat in his hands.
Harris before his transformation into an express pace bowler at the age of 30 was for years in his previous guise an all-rounder...similar to Bresnan, but not quite as good.
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And YOU would be wrong Vic
As of now Broad & Bres combined batting average is 52
Johnson & Harris is 43
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Broad and Bresnan are vastly overrated with the bat.
Broad averages 23.63
Bresnan averages 26.13
But if you look closer at their stats you'll see Broad's a home town bully.
Broad averages 32 at home. With 1 x hundred and 9 x fifty.
Outside England Broad averages 14. With 1 x fifty.
Bresnan is pretty ordinary with the bat.
He's got 3 Test fifties. One against Bangladesh and two against a pathetic Indian attack in 2010.
Bresnan averages 33 at home, with 2 x fifty. Boosted by 4 not outs.
Outside England, he averages 18.90(boosted by the 91 he flogged against Bangladesh). It's also his only fifty plus score outside England.
Johnson averages 25.90 in Australia with 6 x fifty.
Outside Australia he averages 20, with 1 x hundred and 2 x fifty.
So Johnson is more adaptable with the bat.
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Broad and Bresnan are vastly overrated with the bat.
Broad averages 23.63
Bresnan averages 26.13
But if you look closer at their stats you'll see Broad's a home town bully.
Broad averages 32 at home. With 1 x hundred and 9 x fifty.
Outside England Broad averages 14. With 1 x fifty.
Bresnan is pretty ordinary with the bat.
He's got 3 Test fifties. One against Bangladesh and two against a pathetic Indian attack in 2010.
Bresnan averages 33 at home, with 2 x fifty. Boosted by 4 not outs.
Outside England, he averages 18.90(boosted by the 91 he flogged against Bangladesh). It's also his only fifty plus score outside England.
Johnson averages 25.90 in Australia with 6 x fifty.
Outside Australia he averages 20, with 1 x hundred and 2 x fifty.
So Johnson is more adaptable with the bat.
So under that same reasoning, you rate Anderson, Broad and Bresnan as better bowlers that Mitchell Johnson.
Interesting...
All have a worse average, yet all are "more adaptable".
Obviously Johnson is "vastly overrated" with the ball....
:D
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So under that same reasoning, you rate Anderson, Broad and Bresnan as better bowlers that Mitchell Johnson.
Interesting...
All have a worse average, yet all are "more adaptable".
Obviously Johnson is "vastly overrated" with the ball....
:D
Overrated Anderson has 127 wicket @ 35.93 outside England.
Johnson has 88 wickets @ 35.05 outside Australia.
So Mitch is still better than Anderson...
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Overrated Anderson has 127 wicket @ 35.93 outside England.
Johnson has 88 wickets @ 35.05 outside Australia.
So Mitch is still better than Anderson...
According to Howstat..
Johnson has 91 @ 36.29
Anderson has 131 @ 36.02
Your reasoning still puts Anderson ahead.
Shame that.
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Is this called a 'stat-off'?
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Johnson has a better average, strike rate, and takes more wickets per Test than that downhill skier Anderson.
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Is this called a 'stat-off'?
When your office shuts down for Christmas, I have to find something to do.
That howstat site is really interesting.
Carbs has been out 3 caught, 3 LBW and 3 bowled. Nice pretty pie chart too.
Warner only averages 25 overseas.
Watson bowling average is a lot better overseas than in Aus, very interesting stuff on there.
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Johnson has a better average, strike rate, and takes more wickets per Test than that downhill skier Anderson.
Maybe, but that is not how Gerry rated Johnson & Harris vs Broad & Bresnan with the bat, therefore same rules apply for bowling, in Gerry's case.
:D
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So, are you saying that the proper batsmen shouldn't get more time than the bowlers?
Squad of 20, work for 10 hours a day, that's 30 minutes each per day to work with your best batsmen.
Pretty sure a coach doesn't have to baby sit a player all the time. Work with them, move on while they train it. Go back and check they are doing it etc. plus, they'll have more than one coach
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Ohh Mr Bairstow thats just crap.
Laughable he is 2nd choice keeper for England just laughable
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Bairstow is a joke of a cricketer.
Wild slogger with the bat and never a Test keeper in a million Sundays...
Kieswetter or Davies are lightyears ahead of this clown
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Ohh Mr Bairstow thats just crap.
Laughable he is 2nd choice keeper for England just laughable
I honestly dont think he is, England have just panicked and picked on Prior. It was truely awful selection there was no way in any world Bairstow was going to score more runs or keep better, it's a laughable selection.
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Maybe, but that is not how Gerry rated Johnson & Harris vs Broad & Bresnan with the bat, therefore same rules apply for bowling, in Gerry's case.
:D
Yeah great logic...
Anderson 😂
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Start the car, back your bags it is official now....
The powers that be have some difficult questions to answer.
This is simply not good enough at all.
Only Stokes has done himself any favors on this tour .
Lets be honest i know it over reaction but the rest could all be dropped.
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Just (No Swearing Please) absolute (No Swearing Please) (No Swearing Please) all round
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only just turned on the tv can anyone enlighten me on bairstow's blunder?
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If ever there was a need for a facepalm emote....now is it!
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No such thing as an easy slip catch but if there was that would be it!
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He left a catch then cook basically dropped a dolly
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only just turned on the tv can anyone enlighten me on bairstow's blunder?
Probably should've gone for a catch that went to first slips right hand. It's a keepers catch all day. They also showed a carbon copy of one that prior didn't go for. A natural keeper would've caught it. Foster would've caught it backwards.
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I blame Manoramic bloke him and his Yorkshire boys...
People say they do not want Andy Flower to not quit really???
Looks like a sinking ship maybe he has already said he is going and where going through the motions i have never seen a inept performance for so long like this even when England where really bad.
England need to go back to simple cricket basics.....
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I blame Manoramic bloke him and his Yorkshire boys...
People say they do not want Andy Flower to not quit really???
Looks like a sinking ship maybe he has already said he is going and where going through the motions i have never seen a inept performance for so long like this even when England where really bad.
England need to go back to simple cricket basics.....
Totally agree mate they look beat in every way, shape and form just embarrassing for them and anybody who is English and a cricket fan. This whole tour has been a mess and selection policy was just bizarre. Once again from England not a single change in the batting line up despite not scoring over 350 in 10 tests just pick on an easy target such as prior.
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I'm even go to say as much as this.
When England where getting pumped for fun in the 90's early 00 Australia where by far a better side.
Now i'm not saying there not better now but it marginal and unfortunately for me this performance has not been good enough and it must rest with the skipper and management.
Should Cook lose the captaincy i mean Australia are decent but not 4-0 something is wrong your all blame individuals but it also the management and captain job to rally people..
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warner gone good news
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We've got a keeper leaving catches and a skipper who couldn't catch a cold, great cordon that is!
Now a part time spinner is bowling with a ball 15 overs old, wheels are off and Cook's lost the plot!
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warner gone good news
My doom and gloom posting strikes again!
9 more to go...
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Anyone else have a little cricketing erection over Ben Stokes? Looks a more ginger, lighter, healthier, more talented version of Flintoff?
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Anyone else have a little cricketing erection over Ben Stokes? Looks a more ginger, lighter, healthier, more talented version of Flintoff?
Been saying he's a bright prospect for months. As soon as he made his debut I said he'd be aroun for yers and had all the makings of the next Flintoff.
Just need him to get a new kit sponsor now ;)
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If New balance made nice gloves their kit would look quality I think, but their gloves are abominations!
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Going to call it game over now. Can't see England pulling off a miricle victory from here, this whole series has been a bad joke!
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If New balance made nice gloves their kit would look quality I think, but their gloves are abominations!
Have you checked out the NB pads for retail.
I do not think you think it just gloves (which i do not mind) there pads are hideous
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Have you checked out the NB pads for retail.
I do not think you think it just gloves (which i do not mind) there pads are hideous
Last time I looked their only offering pads wise were those ambidextrous ones that seemed horrendously over priced.
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Anyone else thinking this is Cook's last series as captain?
If/when England lose 5-0 he'll either jump or be pushed from the helm (with Flower going too and a major overhaul of coaching and back room staff).
That or nothing will change and England will struggle on as they are. Something has to change!
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Who take take over i can only think of one
Crazy i know KP...
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Who take take over i can only think of one
Crazy i know KP...
KP will no way be given the captaincy back due to what's happened in the past.
With Broad as T20 captain he must be near the top of the line to take over, I'd like to see Bell do it personally though.
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Could Ian Bell be a potential candidate to take over the reins? Looking at the established players in the English team, I can't see them going back to KP, maybe Broad or Anderson could be other options?
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If Cook is sacked/steps down
The next skipper would have to be someone who can inspire his teammates.
Can Bell do this? Not in my opinion.
Can Broad do this? Yeah in patches Broad has been able to carry England.
Not many other options.
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Cook will keep the captaincy in my opinion. Flower is closer to the edge, but again who would replace him?
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Could Ian Bell be a potential candidate to take over the reins? Looking at the established players in the English team, I can't see them going back to KP, maybe Broad or Anderson could be other options?
By a process of elimination of senior players:
Cook - current Captain, tactically hopeless. Has to go in my opinion.
KP - too much previous to be given a 2nd stint.
Bell - potential. Done it at under 19 level but little experience of captaincy after that.
Prior - potential. Was vice captain before being dropped. Captains traditionally need to get in the side though.
Broad - potential. T20 captain, was probably appointed with future test captaincy in mind. His toys come out of the pram too easily at times which could be a problem.
Anderson - never captained before and is a self admitted grumpy so and so - can't see him as skipper.
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Yeah, I can't see them dropping Cook simply because there is no obvious candidate to replace him with. Personally, I think the current English set up is good, this was just an ill-fated tour from the beginning. The mentality of the English was not right and Australia came out firing. It would be an overreaction to axe Cook and Flower.
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Yeah, I can't see them dropping Cook simply because there is no obvious candidate to replace him with. Personally, I think the current English set up is good, this was just an ill-fated tour from the beginning. The mentality of the English was not right and Australia came out firing. It would be an overreaction to axe Cook and Flower.
Seriously a over reaction what 4-0 down against a side which if it is better marginally.
Have the victory's been marginal no it has been a embarrassment from start to finish.
Oh and one last point i do not want a captain who backs away from quick bowling make of that as you want..
To lose the way we have as stated previously is not like the 90/00 this is too evenly matched teams and England have been poor.
Something has to give this is not a blimp i have never seen England for so poor for so long and i have been watching a long time.
Australia are ok but let get one thing straight there not a great Australian team.
But they are 4 up....
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Seriously a over reaction what 4-0 down against a side which if it is better marginally.
Have the victory's been marginal no it has been a embarrassment from start to finish.
To lose the way we have as stated previously is not like the 90/00 this is too evenly matched teams and England have been poor.
Something has to give this is not a blimp i have never seen England for so poor for so long and i have been watching a long time.
Australia are ok but let get one thing straight there not a great Australian team.
But they are 4 up....
Have to agree with you Dave. England simply haven't turned up. There was complacency in the ranks and it's come back to bite.
Are we all forgetting the fact Cook isn't that great a captain? When England were winning this was overlooked, but when under pressure it becomes obvious he hasn't got a Scooby what to do. It's not an overreaction at all in my mind, it's a necessary change for the better.
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Cook hasn't done too badly as captain though has he? Assuming England lose today, his record stands at 9 wins, 5 losses and 6 draws whilst averaging 49.18 with the blade. Surely with there being no obvious replacement he has to stay? By comparison Clarke's record as captain is 16 wins, 10 losses and 7 draws, not that dissimilar to Cook's...
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Cook hasn't done too badly as captain though has he? Assuming England lose today, his record stands at 9 wins, 5 losses and 6 draws whilst averaging 49.18 with the blade. Surely with there being no obvious replacement he has to stay? By comparison Clarke's record as captain is 16 wins, 10 losses and 7 draws, not that dissimilar to Cook's...
Stats only tell half a story though.
The win ratio doesn't mention negative field placements, going overly defensive or almost taking too much time out of a game to get a result by fannying around.
Cook's record may be passable but his captaincy isn't that good, let's be honest.
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At least England take their slip catches.. Oh wait :(
It's just getting boring now, one mediocre team and one that appears to not be trying. Still, nice to see the thug of a slogger get out again and Rogers get some runs.
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an edge manages to go underneath bairstows glove ???
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Bairstow's one cap as England wicket keeper looks to be a certain flop...
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At least England take their slip catches.. Oh wait :(
It's just getting boring now, one mediocre team and one that appears to not be trying. Still, nice to see the thug of a slogger get out again and Rogers get some runs.
When did Australia come 'mediocre'?
Their bowling attack is genuinely world class.
And they have the only world class batsman, Pup, in the entire series.
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When did Australia come 'mediocre'?
Their bowling attack is genuinely world class.
And they have the only world class batsman, Pup, in the entire series.
I don't think they have become mediocre, they have been all series and in the run up to it
Their bowling attack is reasonable, but I think England's batting has made it look better than it is. That same "world class bowling attack" looked pretty average to me in India...
As far as batting goes I'd fancy my clubs 4th team to get a few against England, so a test side should be scoring runs!
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When did Australia come 'mediocre'?
Their bowling attack is genuinely world class.
And they have the only world class batsman, Pup, in the entire series.
World class bowling attack? Can't say I'd put these up against Steyn, holding, McGrath, Warne etc. Harris is a fine bowler and sidle is mr accurate but England's battin has been woeful and has gifted wickets. Johnson's been fast but again, the tail hasn't even tried to stand upto him. Lyon is consistent but is no Warne
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Chris Rogers you little, old, legend.
2nd Ashes hundred!
First in Australia and at his adopted home at the MCG
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I don't think they have become mediocre, they have been all series and in the run up to it
Their bowling attack is reasonable, but I think England's batting has made it look better than it is. That same "world class bowling attack" looked pretty average to me in India...
As far as batting goes I'd fancy my clubs 4th team to get a few against England, so a test side should be scoring runs!
The series in India is irrelevant.
Johnson played only 1 Test
Harris was injured.
Lyon was dropped then recalled.
Mickey Arthur's 'homework' gate and all that...
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How quickly the tide turns... 6-12 months ago everyone was saying how great Flower was for this team and how he turned them into world no#1 now you are all crucifying him. It was just an ordinary England team who got lucky so it seems ;)
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Yeah great logic...
Anderson
Proving a point that you takes some of the available stats, make up an argument against what is generally being said and use some stats, but not all to make your case (rightly or wrongly). Applying the same rules, I highlighted how you would rate others with your system.
Shame about Bairstow, put a solid performance with the gloves 1st innings.
I think people need to wait till a full evaluation at the end of the series before naming heads which should roll. At the moment it is get rid of everyone and ger the performance squad in, new backroom staff, new coaches, new kit, new name, new Country.
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Yes Monty, now if Aus can collapse like Eng can, this might get interesting.... :D
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I cant see Bresnan, Tremlett, Panesar, and Carberry in an England shirt ever again and tbh im not over disappointed by it all. Hopefully they'll Finn or Rankin instead of Bresnan and Borthwick instead of Panesar in the last test and start looking towards the future instead of stop gaps.
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World class bowling attack? Can't say I'd put these up against Steyn, holding, McGrath, Warne etc. Harris is a fine bowler and sidle is mr accurate but England's battin has been woeful and has gifted wickets. Johnson's been fast but again, the tail hasn't even tried to stand upto him. Lyon is consistent but is no Warne
McGrath, Holding, Warne.... These guy's are long gone and you can only play against who is there, at the moment Australians attack is as good as anything going around in the world. Englands batting hasn't just been awful this tour, they have been very scratchy for the last couple of years, the series in the UK was very flattering to the English, poor selections, very poor umpiring and off field drama meant the Aussies were always up against it. Still, they never surrendered as meekly as this English side.
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I cant see Bresnan, Tremlett, Panesar, and Carberry in an England shirt ever again and tbh im not over disappointed by it all. Hopefully they'll Finn or Rankin instead of Bresnan and Borthwick instead of Panesar in the last test and start looking towards the future instead of stop gaps.
Seriously??? :-[ Carberry has been one of their most consistent performers with the bat!! And that's a guy new to test cricket. He's put most of the other batsmen (and you failed to name any) to shame...
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Cook hasn't done too badly as captain though has he? Assuming England lose today, his record stands at 9 wins, 5 losses and 6 draws whilst averaging 49.18 with the blade. Surely with there being no obvious replacement he has to stay? By comparison Clarke's record as captain is 16 wins, 10 losses and 7 draws, not that dissimilar to Cook's...
That does not illustrate the fact that Cook has led pretty much the same side that won the Ashes at home, to one that is staring down at a 5-0 whitewash. Meanwhile Clarke has done the opposite with a side that is still in a rebuilding phase. Stats tell only half the story...
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Just getting back to the winners for a second. To Darren Lehmann, thanks for putting the "Australia" back in the Australian cricket team. There were slight signs of it in England, but I don't think that our side has looked as though it has been enjoying its cricket this much for a long time. The players look relaxed, not worried about their place in the side, and it seems as if Boof has stripped it right back and brought it back to basics in terms of enjoying the game. As far as the style of cricket, it's backtrack o being what an Aussie side should be; Hard, aggressive, in-your-face, no backward steps. Clarke's captaincy is brilliant, always looking to do something, never let's the game drift, whereas Cook looks bereft of ideas and paralysed by taking a risk.
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I think the key thing you say is the not worried about their place in the side. Before lehmann it seemed you Aussies were chopping and changing your team every test. Now the team looks settled, balanced and as you they are enjoying their cricket. A complete contrast to England
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Having a settled team certainly doesn't hurt.
Having said that, a good number of this Aussie team will not be around in 12-18 months purely because of age.
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Well I'm going to say it, because it's true IMHO -
Congratulations to Australia, you've given us a right beating and it is because you have been by far the better team. I know there have been some comments about England being poo and only being beaten by an average Aussie side - but lets be honest here, those you think are average Aussies have played really well - Siddle has bowled well to plans and taken planned wickets, Lyon has been tidy and even chipped in with dogged runs at the tail, apart from Bailey, the batters have all scored runs when needed. Average players or not, they have played well and we have been frankly, poo!
We need to accept this, refresh personnel and coaching staff to give us a set up that can start winning again and regain the Ashes in the future.
I've watched enough of this series to see Cook as an unimaginative Captain, I don't think Carberry has a long-term test future, Root needs to be hidden down at 5 for a while, we need a keeper and a decent spinner, plus our 3rd seamer needs to be able to take wickets.
I'm as one-eyed as some of the other English fans on here, but there's no use trying to spin the English and Aussie performances on this series. We having been shockingly crap the whole way through, and their guys have done their jobs very well.
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And whilst I'm building up to a full rant, Cricinfo seems to think that Ashley Giles is favourite for the post and Broad the most viable option as Captain.
Lots of people have cautioned against wholesale changes, but why not? We've got a whole pre-season to go through and I assume 2 x home series to bed some people in. Why not be brave and shake a few things up?
Also, why are Bell and Broad the only viable captaincy candidates? For me, I don't see either captaining England - Broad is a petulant child and in my opinion doesn't need to be given too many things to think about! Why can we not cast about for a Mike Brearly-type character from within our own county game - someone unbattered by this tour, and untouched by it's coaching regime?
I think it would be fair to jettison Carberry, Bairstow, Monty and keep Bresnan on ice. It would allow some people to come in and may statements in key positions (ie Keeper, attacking seamer, spinner etc).
I do not feel the England ODI side perform amazingly well, or are innovative world-beaters, so I'm not sure why Giles is the best candidate to coach us, and is he a chest-thumping, Bulldog motivator that needs to wake this squad up and get them going.
There will be a few youngsters coming in to this squad over the next year, and they are very talented too - but they will need powerful, vocal, motivational leader to get the best out of then and to stir up the pride and passion of playing for England.
Bit like the Go Aussie Go attitude that seems to have come in with Lehmann - that seems to have worked, doesn't it!
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We need to change something im jut not 100% sure what as its not like one area has been a disaster...its been all of them!
Cant see what James Taylor has done so wrong to go from getting a couple of test caps and captaining the Lions to being out of the England set-u all together, he would have been the type of dogged character who we needed on this tour. Willing to put his body on the line and occupy the crease to hold up an end.
Your only as good as the opposition put in front of you and the Aussies have out batted, out bowled, out fielded and out played us from ball 1 of the series.
Lots of sole searching and reflecting on their own individual performances from the England boys in the next few weeks i would imagine.
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Mitchell Johnson or Anderson your choice boys. Anderson is as good as his average!!!!! ;)
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Hats off to Johnson, he wasnt even in the squad 6 months ago which must have been the motivation he needed to bring his A game to the series.
What baffles me is why we look like we have never faced any genuine pace before? Surely prep and practice would have been done in the nets so people were used to the angle/speed he bowls at ???
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To be totally honest I don't think one English batsman looked comfortable facing Johnson. It's like when you were a junior and you heard rumours about this super fast bowler in the opposition... You practically got yourself out before even facing a ball
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They need someone with a bit of (No Swearing Please) in them to coach them... Like Beefy!!!!
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I'm with you there Thomasina - we seem to be failing in all places against what I feel to be a reasonably good side!
In the terrible 90's when the Aussies and the Windies were bumming us regularly, there were a few candidates who stood out amongst the wreckaage for grit and determaination (particulalrly against pace) Athers, Russell, Robin Smith, Alan Lamb - and some of theme weren't even bloody English!
Something has changed either in the coaching, or the motivation techniques to enable them to 'grit it out for England'!
Anyway, that's the blood-letting, I only hope the powers that be are willing to do something about it,and to get some of these talented youngsters in to see if they are up to the mark-
Robson
Chopra
Ballance
Taylor
Buttler
Foakes
Borthwick
Vince
Ali
Rankin
Topley
Harris
Roland-Jones
and many more I have forgotten - that's a massive pool to start working with!
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I'd like to see Jordan and mills develop as 90mph bowlers plus Jordan can bat
To much medium pace from England no bite
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Just watched an interview with Botham and his concerns are the lack of up and coming batsmen for England, plenty of bowlers but no batsmen that are good enough to push any of the batsmen already in the team
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England went 13 tests unbeaten before this tour. They haven't become a bad team, but Australia have completely outplayed them. If you accept that and realise the best XI is out there (getting smashed) then why change the team and make it weaker? Let's not forget we were whitewashed by Pakistan in the UAE not so long ago and we bounced back pretty well in Sri Lanka and India.
Overreacting makes things worse. England had 4 captains in the 1988 series against the Windies and it was like a revolving door between 86-00. Had we shown faith in the likes of Ramps/Hick then who knows how they would of developed?
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I'm with you there Thomasina - we seem to be failing in all places against what I feel to be a reasonably good side!
In the terrible 90's when the Aussies and the Windies were bumming us regularly, there were a few candidates who stood out amongst the wreckaage for grit and determaination (particulalrly against pace) Athers, Russell, Robin Smith, Alan Lamb - and some of theme weren't even bloody English!
Something has changed either in the coaching, or the motivation techniques to enable them to 'grit it out for England'!
Anyway, that's the blood-letting, I only hope the powers that be are willing to do something about it,and to get some of these talented youngsters in to see if they are up to the mark-
Robson
Chopra
Ballance
Taylor
Buttler
Foakes
Borthwick
Vince
Ali
Rankin
Topley
Harris
Roland-Jones
and many more I have forgotten - that's a massive pool to start working with!
Stoneman, Wood and Overton are three more lions players.
Anyone got any idea what Onions has to do to get a gig? Other than sign for Surrey or Middlesex obviously!
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Spot on Nick, Cook can improve as a captain.
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Which all begs the question: does the academy system produce mediocre cricketers?
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In football it inevitably does
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Tbh a captain is always going to be slated when they are losing and praised when they are winning. It's just cricket!
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I'm not so sure you can discount all change Nicky S.
Is Carberry the future? You have to replace Bairstow with a proper keeper, and many media reports suggest Monty's action is very ragged at the moment - he certainly doesn't take many wickets, and we don't want a Paul Harris situation.
However, changing 2 or 3 personnel and having a coaching shake-up must have a galvansing effect.
It's all very well saying we were 13 tests unbeaten, but that was not a good team performance in the English summer and the signs were already beginning to show.
Also selection -with the performance squad out there, why the need for 3 gigantic quicks and no specialist reserve keeper in the main squad?
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I'm not so sure you can discount all change Nicky S.
Is Carberry the future? You have to replace Bairstow with a proper keeper, and many media reports suggest Monty's action is very ragged at the moment - he certainly doesn't take many wickets, and we don't want a Paul Harris situation.
However, changing 2 or 3 personnel and having a coaching shake-up must have a galvansing effect.
It's all very well saying we were 13 tests unbeaten, but that was not a good team performance in the English summer and the signs were already beginning to show.
Also selection -with the performance squad out there, why the need for 3 gigantic quicks and no specialist reserve keeper in the main squad?
Bairstow is a very competent keeper, and how many times does a reserve wicket keeper actually get used? Very little. Who could have imagined Prior getting dropped? All in all, I think it was a technical gamble, as there are options to call up from the A team if needed. Bairstow has been on the verge of the England squad for a long time and deserved a spot for his batting alone. I guess to bring anothe keeper, you would have left Ballance or a bowler behind.
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Piers Morgan for the final test?
I want to see him hit a few more times!
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I saw every Durham County Championship game this year and without a doubt the best keeper was Chris Reid, obviously England won't go down this road however over the last few years Mustard, Reid and Foster have looked a lot better than Bairstow. This is my opinion on watching them live btw not what I've seen on TV.
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Good read this for those who think throwing kids in is the best way forward.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10541165/Ashes-2013-14-Now-is-not-the-time-for-any-more-changes-for-England.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10541165/Ashes-2013-14-Now-is-not-the-time-for-any-more-changes-for-England.html)
probably worth bearing in mind that Zimbabwe and Bangladesh have had to and the West Indies have chosen to, with several players averaging mid 20s.
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Stoneman, Wood and Overton are three more lions players.
Anyone got any idea what Onions has to do to get a gig? Other than sign for Surrey or Middlesex obviously!
He's another one who is 'steady' in English conditions - Bit like Bresnan.
I feel sorry for him - he has done nothing wrong. In a different generation, he would have got 50-100 caps.
Jon Lewis (going back a few years) being another who missed out on the basis of a strong generation of fast bowlers.
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He's another one who is 'steady' in English conditions - Bit like Bresnan.
I feel sorry for him - he has done nothing wrong. In a different generation, he would have got 50-100 caps.
Jon Lewis (going back a few years) being another who missed out on the basis of a strong generation of fast bowlers.
Glen Chapple
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He's another one who is 'steady' in English conditions - Bit like Bresnan.
I feel sorry for him - he has done nothing wrong. In a different generation, he would have got 50-100 caps.
Jon Lewis (going back a few years) being another who missed out on the basis of a strong generation of fast bowlers.
70 wickets at 18 in CCD1 is not steady at all, bowls 90mph and does a bit with it, proven at international level, how Bresnan gets a game above him is unbelievable!
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What we should have done a while ago is pick the best squad we could and then pick a direct replacement for every player.
Rest a few first squad players for one test in three or four to blood the replacement players. This would give a constant rotation, resting the main players (especially with injuries) and seeing what the replacements can do. If the replacement is a dingbat then choose another.
What's actually happened with England is too small a selection, too many games, too many injuries and having Trott, Prior, Swann and Cook etc burn out all at once.
Carberry should have played a couple of tests in the summer along with Panessar (or other spinner)
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What we should have done a while ago is pick the best squad we could and then pick a direct replacement for every player.
Rest a few first squad players for one test in three or four to blood the replacement players. This would give a constant rotation, resting the main players (especially with injuries) and seeing what the replacements can do. If the replacement is a dingbat then choose another.
What's actually happened with England is too small a selection, too many games, too many injuries and having Trott, Prior, Swann and Cook etc burn out all at once.
Carberry should have played a couple of tests in the summer along with Panessar (or other spinner)
Wasn't that what they did with woakes and Kerrigan? And they both failed?
Bring Ravi bopara back, he can bat at 6 and be our 4th seamer.......
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Which all begs the question: does the academy system produce mediocre cricketers?
Yes!! Because they grow up being told they are good and get used or it and become complacent, lazy and have attitude issues. You see it all the time with football. That kid who was good when 10-15 gets lauded, stops improving and by 20 has been over taken by the lesser players who missed out bUT still has the attitude he's the best. We al know players like it as well which shows how true it is!!
Example: umpiring for a under 15 game, 'fast' bowler keeps bowling reasonable balls but nothing special. Spends his time getting told by his coach (in game) how good he is and 'staring down' a batsmen. When he made an appeal I turned him down and gave him a reason (so he learns to. It appeal when it pitches outside leg!) and I get the following response 'what do you know, I'm county so I know best'
I just laughed and thought 'proper tool. He will be a classic example I'm sure.
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Smiler, surely we've already got a 4th seamer who bats at 6, and everyone seems to be positive about him?
We're not talking about throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but we are not going to win test series with a non-wicket taking spinner, an undercooked, inexperienced keeper and a top 3 lacking in confidence.
Anyway, such is the joy of the forum, that is only my opinion. I don't like to see an England side packed with too many 'steady' players I'd like to see a couple of youngsters make a name for themselves over the next couple of years.
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Wasn't that what they did with woakes and Kerrigan? And they both failed?
Not really sure if one test each is enough to decide they're pants. If they both had worse results after 2 or even 3 tests then try other replacements.
England are at the stage where over half the team are in poor form, carrying injuries or just jaded and the next generation are not prepared.
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Wasn't that what they did with woakes and Kerrigan? And they both failed?
Bring Ravi bopara back, he can bat at 6 and be our 4th seamer.......
woakes n kerrigan both deserve another chance, i wouldnt say panesar bowl well at all in the test.... dont need another number 6, stokes kinda secure his place already, bowl well as a 4th seamer and can bat too, can't see the point of bringing finn, rankin and ballance in the squad and not letting them have a match, surely Broad should rest up in case of further injury on his ankle and one of the tall bowler will come in, prefer finn but rankin should get a chance, ballance could replace root whos not batting that well, move bell to 3 n ballance 5
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woakes n kerrigan both deserve another chance, i wouldnt say panesar bowl well at all in the test.... dont need another number 6, stokes kinda secure his place already, bowl well as a 4th seamer and can bat too, can't see the point of bringing finn, rankin and ballance in the squad and not letting them have a match, surely Broad should rest up in case of further injury on his ankle and one of the tall bowler will come in, prefer finn but rankin should get a chance, ballance could replace root whos not batting that well, move bell to 3 n ballance 5
If they don't get a game then this tour will be even more of a farce than it already is (if that's possible).
Don't see why the selectors have done what they have with the squad at all...
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Jeez you are a fickle lot.
Carberry is currently the 2nd leading run scorer in the series for England (probably leading scorer before this game), yet has no future in the team after one lean game...
Monty out bowled Swann in his first game. Then Cook used him very sparingly in the game - even had Root bowl ahead of him in the 2nd dig which, the Sky team rightly said, did nothing for his confidence when he came onto bowl (and a major insult). So that's probably as much Cook's fault as Monty's...
If anyone should be dropped, it should be the selectors! All these tall, fast "menacing" quicks included in the squad and none played in Perth. But instead you had Bresnan and Stokes as 3rd and 4th seamers. That's just moronic!
And Cook does not know how to lead a side when the chips are down. There's no imagination in his captaincy and tactical nous is totally lacking. Unfortunately I can't see anyone one else in the current XI who is capable of leading the side besides KP. And I can't see that happening...
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The difference between these 2 teams at the moment is Lehman has this team playing like a bunch of mates.. All smiling, all encouraging each other, even so called rifts between players like Clarke and Watson seem to be gone... England seem to have lost that mateship, the trust have gone... Not sure how or why but they need to find that certain motivation that will pull them back together... They are playing as individuals not as a team and I would not be one bit surprised if Swann was talking about his team when he made that statement after he retired.
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How can they have trust when they have a guy that turned his back on his own country, got a coach he didn't like sacked, texted his own countrymen tips on how to get his adopted country's captain out. As talented as KP is he doesn't get too many team mates sitting next to him in the change room.
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So Flower wants to stay on and keep Cook as captain. Great, can't wait for the summer test series to arrive with the same old face doing the same old thing. Cook should go and Flower really should know that if he's going to lead England forward with purpose. Expect James Taylor will be crying into his cornflakes when he reads this this morning!
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So.... 5-Zip anyone? ;)
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So.... 5-Zip anyone? ;)
Yep I think we're all going for 5-0. Be a surprise if it wasn't.
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Cook
Root
Bell
Pieterson
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Broad
Finn
Anderson
Panesar
Simple.
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I'd go for the exact same team as last time but bring Bell in at 3 and drop Root down. Root didn't look very comfortable at 3 to me and Carberry seems to get bogged down as soon as he comes in so surely that is logical?
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I'd bring Bell up to 3 and drop Panesar and bring in Borthwick
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Just seen the highlights for this,
Second set off innings, England truly was shocking. The fielding was embarrassing. Monty has to go his batting and fielding are actually a hindrance, and his bowling doesn't look like it adds much. Surely we have someone better?
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What the hell has Root done to justify him opening?
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What the hell has Root done to justify him opening?
Turned up on time every day, done all of his homework and applied his sun cream without help from a teacher! ;)
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We"l let's get Prior back in and he can open then. Let's tee off from the start and show these foreign Johnies how crickets really played. My XI is:
Cook
Prior
KP
Bell
Bairstow
Root
Ballance
Borthwick
Broad
Rankin
Anderson
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We"l let's get Prior back in and he can open then. Let's tee off from the start and show these foreign Johnies how crickets really played. My XI is:
Cook
Prior
KP
Bell
Bairstow
Root
Ballance
Borthwick
Broad
Rankin
Anderson
Like that but would swap KP and Ian Bellend round.
Anyone got Flowers number for Fattus to phone him and tell him what to do??
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Cook
Carberry
Bell
KP
Root
Prior
Stokes
Bresnan
Borthwick
Broad
Rankin
12 man: Anderson
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I'm up for that!
C'mon Andy you pussy! You want the truth?
YOU CAN'T HAnDLE THE TRuTH!
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Or
Cook
AK Markram
Bell
KP
Y Valli
Prior
Stokes
D Galiem
Broad
B Dial
K Rabada
12th man: Anderson
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I would do a few things, which would no doubt be wrong!
Send Cook on an intense "How to be a Cricket Captain" course, get him to spend time over the next few months with some previous successful captains, and buy him "Captain for Dummies" book as a late Christmas pressie!
I would sack the fielding coach as our fielding and catching has been pathetic!
Get a decent assistant or 3 for Gooch for better batting coaching (that's been pathetic too!)
Send the entire squad on team building days to try and get them working together!
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Keeper status.
Prior when on form has been decent in the past - so keep with him now.
Bairstow has shown he is not ready with the gloves, and certainly not with the bat!
So Bedwetter has proven he can keep and bat at international level, so would like to see him as reserve keeper
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Monty has lost his way and hasn't been in good form for ages now!
He needs to go back to County and get his technique and form back, and maybe develop his technique!
I can't see that Borthwick would be any worse than monty, and I suspect could be extremely effective!
Plus he can bat a bit too! He could (maybe) be a great prospect!
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What's your take on Anderson Pete?
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its not so much about technical ability at this level, its more about mental toughness. people who can handle the pressure.
if it was about technical ability Hick and Ramps wouldve been the best that ever played for England.
how many of them are tough nuts?
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Keeper status.
Prior when on form has been decent in the past - so keep with him now.
Bairstow has shown he is not ready with the gloves, and certainly not with the bat!
So Bedwetter has proven he can keep and bat at international level, so would like to see him as reserve keeper
Agreed - I think Prior has to come back. He just looked like he was starting to show some promise with the bat and his keeping wouldn't be any worse the Bairstow (his time will come)
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What's your take on Anderson Pete?
although directed towards Pete
my take on it is that at 80/85 mph if it aint swinging, he will be ineffective
on the decline in my opinion.
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Carbs is doing ok but bring Robson into the squad to see how he looks as a backup and to train alongside the squad!
He is a future opener so introduce him into the environment and start to bed him in!
Swap bell and root around for Gods sake!!
Broad is bowling well and taking wickets although his batting stinks at the moment!
Anderson shouldn't be dropped - but see how he does over the next 2 or 3 Test series's to ensure he still performs!
With Stokes looking reasonable with bat and ball, leave him at no6!
Not sure about Bres although he is coming back from injury so needs a little time to get back to form!
But onions would be in my squad as backup and rankin too!
Not sure about Finn as his firm hasn't been great last season so not the best form player!
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Do they leave him out of the Sydney test?
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Monty has lost his way and hasn't been in good form for ages now!
He needs to go back to County and get his technique and form back, and maybe develop his technique!
I can't see that Borthwick would be any worse than monty, and I suspect could be extremely effective!
Plus he can bat a bit too! He could (maybe) be a great prospect!
Monty isn't in the greatest of nick but I can't see the point in sending in a young, inexperienced spinner for 1 test against a batting unit which is on the rampage. If they get taken apart on test debut it could set them back a long time. Getting 1 test at the end of last summer didn't do much for Kerrigan.
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Not a bad point! But Monty is not on good form, fields badly and can't get runs with the bat.
So with root bowling, you could bring Borthwick in for his batting which should strengthen the lower order and to give him a few overs and see how he does?
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My team for Sydney would be:
Cook
Carbs
Bell
KP
Root
Stokes
Prior
Borthwick
Bresnan
Broad
Anderson
I would consider bringing in rankin for Bres?
Does anyone know what kind of wicket they will have at Sydney?
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Its usually a turner Mr Hosking
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I agree with that Pete, maybe bring Finn in for Bres who offered very little in Melbourne. I would be tempted to rest Root and bring in Ballance
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I reckon resting a few guys who look completely knackered wouldn't be the worst thing. Anderson looks shattered, Broad not 100%, same with Bresnan. It no use giving Bairstow a test at a time, does no one any good.
My Team for Sydney
Cook (Just needs to grit it out)
Carberry (Although he needs to sort out this round the wicket caper soon)
Root (Needs a score, but getting consistency from him will take time)
KP (Absolutely no doubt he's the first name on the team sheet)
Bell (He'll come good)
Stokes (Shown promise, was better than I expected)
Bairstow (As much as I don't think he's good enough, dropping him now is pointless for everyone)
Borthwick (Worth a go, Panesar hasn't looked too threatening)
Broad (Think he needs a rest, but probably can't miss him and Anderson)
Finn (Got real pace, which Eng have shown in their batting is difficult to face in Oz)
Rankin (Worth a shot, extra bounce and hits the deck hard)
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If its normally a turning wicket then I wouldn't drop Root for Ballance!
With the inexperience of Borthwick at this level, we will need Root as a bowler once its turning.
I don't disagree about dropping Anderson for this last test, but I would just tell him that he can rest next week!
But my next bowler in would be rankin and not Finn - and I would already have Onions in the squad to be honest, so if Anderson was tested for the Sydney test then Onions would slot in to replace him!
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Going forward after this train wreck of a series what do we think the side will be??
Something like:
Cook
Robson
Bellend
KP
Root
Ballance
Prior
Stokes
Borthwick
Broad
Finn
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I would go with :
Cook
Carbs
Bell
KP
Ballance
Stokes
Prior
Broad
Anderson
Finn
Panesar
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Me I would go
Cook
Root
Bell
Kp
Balance
Stokes
Bairstow
Finn
Rankin
Anderson
Borthwick
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I'd like to think Borthwick might bat up a touch, with a FC avg of 30...
Not keen on the whole "Root to open" bandwagon either.
Ideally I'd love to fit Ballance & Onions into my squad, but Onions def won't happen. He could have done the Stuart Clark job of 2006/07 series.
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Summer ashes. We won 3-0. Root opened every innings, he was England 3rd highest scorer off that series. And hit the top score of the entire series(180)
This series he was dropped to six,then bounced back upto 3. I'm not suprised he's not had a great series down under being yoyo'd about.
Carberry IMO has done nothing to prove he should be there instead of root.
As for the bowlers in that line up, I just picked 3 seamers and a spinner. Not relevant batting order on that front.
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Root was a walking wicket in the series in England.
He gave a chance to the opposition at least once in each innings and if you remember he was dropped once and one went between keeper and slip thereafter the only thing to stop him was the boundary rope! Haha :D
From what I've seem Root is the best opening partner for Cook. May bring out the best in him as if Carberry is at the other end blocking and leaving. Cook seems pressured to play...