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Forum News and Suggestions => Old Advertisers => Admin Board => It's Just Cricket => Topic started by: ItsJustCricket on September 23, 2014, 02:26:39 PM
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Much like last year, Newbery are the quickest off the mark with their new range, and I'm very pleased to say that we will be visiting them on October 9th to pick out some of their new bats, including the Kudos2 and Panache.
I will update this thread later with prices and photos (from the trade show), to give you all a better idea of what's on offer, but it's the usual drill: an £80 deposit gets you a quality bat that will be hand-picked exactly to your specs, and the balance payment won't be required until after October 9th, so it's cash-flow friendly too! :)
You can pay your deposit here: http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/deposit-for-new-2015-cricket-bat-of-your-choice-hand-picked-p779 (http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/deposit-for-new-2015-cricket-bat-of-your-choice-hand-picked-p779)
Please send us your specs via email/PM, or in the customer notes section of the online order form.
Who wants to be one of the first to own a new Newbery bat? :)
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You are killing me Paul!!
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Here are samples (of the new bats) that we saw at the trade show. Both bats will be available in weights of 2.7 and above:
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyPanache-Face_zps37e3ee16.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyPanache-Face_zps37e3ee16.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyPanache-Spine_zpse3e60c1b.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyPanache-Spine_zpse3e60c1b.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyPanache-Profile_zps7b47d6fa.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyPanache-Profile_zps7b47d6fa.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyKudos2-Face_zps44c8824c.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyKudos2-Face_zps44c8824c.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyKudos2-Spine_zps84caaa3e.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyKudos2-Spine_zps84caaa3e.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyKudos2-Profile_zps9863d294.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyKudos2-Profile_zps9863d294.jpg.html)
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Hi Paul, what's different about the Kudos 2 compared to the Kudos from the season just past? Is it a standard blade now? If I'm honest, that's what stopped me from purchasing last year! Also, is the Panache standard SH, or is it a shorter blade?
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Hi Paul, what's different about the Kudos 2 compared to the Kudos from the season just past? Is it a standard blade now? If I'm honest, that's what stopped me from purchasing last year! Also, is the Panache standard SH, or is it a shorter blade?
The Kudos2 has a squarer toe, but is otherwise very similar to the Kudos (same length blade and handle, same sweet spot position, slight concaving etc.). Newbery claim that the Kudos2 is pressed differently, but I cannot (right now) say anything more beyond the fact that they believe the Kudos2 is the best performing bat in the range, largely as a result of this pressing, and have certainly priced them accordingly (they are quite a bit more expensive than the Kudos) as you will all see shortly...
Panache is a standard sized blade and handle. Reminds me a bit like the Thruxton, just a bit bigger (and slightly higher sweet spot too)...
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. Reminds me a bit like the Thruxton, just a bit bigger (and slightly higher sweet spot too)...
How high? Amplus high?
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I hope it's not a case of Newbury trying to get greedy after the success of the Kudos last year, can imagine that would backfire (it's not like the Kudos was cheap after all!!)
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How high? Amplus high?
Look at the photo and see what you think! :)
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Looks like a GT. But, pictures can add inches to the location of a sweet spot. :D
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That Panache profile and toe up shots look just like my Thuxton! Will be a very good bat.
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Looks like a GT. But, pictures can add inches to the location of a sweet spot. :D
For me, it didn't seem quite as high as the Amplus, but I don't have any exact measurements to back up this claim, but Newbery are billing it as the high middled bat in the range (now that the GT has gone!)
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I hope it's not a case of Newbury trying to get greedy after the success of the Kudos last year, can imagine that would backfire (it's not like the Kudos was cheap after all!!)
In fairness, there's not that much difference in the SPS grade pricing, but a £60 difference in the respective Player grades...
Anyway, I will put up the prices in a few minutes and then you guys can be the judge!
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Here are those all important prices! :)
EU CUSTOMERS
Kudos2 SPS: £399.99
Kudos2 Player: £299.99
Kudos SPS: £374.99
Kudos Player: £239.99
Panache SPS: £374.99
Panache Player: £249.99
Panache 5 Star: £209.99
Tour SPS: £349.99
Uzi / Krakatoa / Mjolnir SPS: £299.99
Uzi / Krakatoa / Mjolnir Player: £219.99
Uzi / Krakatoa / Mjolnir 5 Star: £189.99
7even SPS: £239.99
7even Player: £194.99
CUSTOMERS OUTSIDE THE EU
Kudos2 SPS: £333.33
Kudos2 Player: £249.99
Kudos SPS: £312.49
Kudos Player: £199.99
Panache SPS: £312.49
Panache Player: £208.33
Panache 5 Star: £174.99
Tour SPS: £291.66
Uzi / Krakatoa / Mjolnir SPS: £249.99
Uzi / Krakatoa / Mjolnir Player: £183.33
Uzi / Krakatoa / Mjolnir 5 Star: £158.33
7even SPS: £199.99
7even Player: £162.49
The Kudos2 is also available in junior sizes, and we are going to be picking a selection of junior bats whilst there too, which can also be pre-ordered. Prices are available on request...
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Have you got the prices of the harrows?
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Are newbery keeping the kudos and introducing the new one too?
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Have you got the prices of the harrows?
Some, but not all: I will get these up tomorrow.
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Are newbery keeping the kudos and introducing the new one too?
Yes, both Kudos bats will be in the range for 2015.
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This is not a criticism of your pricing, but isn't it mad that a 5* is now £190-210, the price of a Player not long ago? Do you as retailers take companies up on annual price increases?
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This is not a criticism of your pricing, but isn't it mad that a 5* is now £190-210, the price of a Player not long ago. Do you as retailers take companies up on annual price increases?
Not really - what we prefer to do is just not stock a bat in a particular grade if we agree with that. They usually take the hint and re-evaluate the next year. In this case, I agree with you about the Panache 5 Star, in particular, and we have no plans to stock that grade. I only listed it to give everyone the complete picture and we would still take pre-orders on that grade...
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Thanks for answering, and like I said, an observation, not a criticism.
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Other items that can be pre-ordered are these (rather lovely) new Kudos softs, although we may not get our hands on them until November.
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/kudossofts_zps7f0437fc.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/kudossofts_zps7f0437fc.jpg.html)
Please PM me for more details...
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So no pre order discounts this year ??
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Got to say, I think Newbery might hae shot themselves in the foot with their pricing here. Not just the levels, which I suppose are no more exhorbitant than the other main players in the market, but in the way that some supposedly SPS grade willow is chaper than some players grade - that's going to make it very difficult for any buyer to hae confidence in their grading process, is it not?
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Got to say, I think Newbery might hae shot themselves in the foot with their pricing here. Not just the levels, which I suppose are no more exhorbitant than the other main players in the market, but in the way that some supposedly SPS grade willow is chaper than some players grade - that's going to make it very difficult for any buyer to hae confidence in their grading process, is it not?
Which bat is cheaper in SPS grade, Iain? I didn't spot that...
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So no pre order discounts this year ??
Not for Newbery, though. The Panache will be a very limited bat this year, that many shops won't stock, and we are making every effort to go down there as early as possible to pick out the bats. We may even be the first shop scheduled to visit them, so it's tricky to justify any discounts on top of all this...
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Which bat is cheaper in SPS grade, Iain? I didn't spot that...
Wells, the Kudos2 Player is 299 and so are the Uzi/Mjolnir etc SPS. Admittedly thats the same price rather than cheaper but you get my point?
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Wells, the Kudos2 Player is 299 and so are the Uzi/Mjolnir etc SPS. Admittedly thats the same price rather than cheaper but you get my point?
I do, but the Kudos2 is a brand new bat, and apparently the best in the range, while the others have been around for years, so it's simple supply and demand economics, don't you think?
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Disappointed in Newbery's new styling and ridiculous pricing - I think the new bats look too sparse and the colour choices look tacky. I presume those are actual retail prices Paul and not RRP - if so how can a 5* jump £30-40 in a year? Also the Kudos 2 SPS has quite a few marks on it for a 400 note bat.
I didn't see one Newbery bat in my league this year except for the one I was using myself and hardly see any being stocked at local retailers such as SCS, Globe Sports etc.
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I do, but the Kudos2 is a brand new bat, and apparently the best in the range, while the others have been around for years, so it's simple supply and demand economics, don't you think?
Hmmm...whilst I get that the new range has some commerial adantage, I'm not sure I see that argument holding water.
If SPS willow clefts are better than Players willow clefts, then it should not matter what shape they are made up into. Yes, there may be some fluctuation within the willow grade, but not to the etent that they overlap...
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Disappointed in Newbery's new styling and ridiculous pricing - I think the new bats look too sparse and the colour choices look tacky. I presume those are actual retail prices Paul and not RRP - if so how can a 5* jump £30-40 in a year? Also the Kudos 2 SPS has quite a few marks on it for a 400 note bat.
I didn't see one Newbery bat in my league this year except for the one I was using myself and hardly see any being stocked at local retailers such as SCS, Globe Sports etc.
I agree about the Kudos2 SPS bat in the photo, and that's the type we'll steer clear from when we visit because there are one too many blemishes on that for a £400 bat. That was just a sample bat, though, so possibly isn't the fairest representation of the bat (and price point) as a whole. I, for one, am reserving judgement until I've seen the full selection.
I agree, the 5 Star price increase is steep, but it became apparent that this grade was priced too low around the £150 mark and even some customers were surprised by how "cheap" these 5 Star bats were, so I think it's more a reputation and perception thing than anything else. Having said this, pretty much everyone has increased their bat prices again for 2015, so it comes as no great surprise to me...
My personal feeling is that I love the feel and look of the Newbery bats for 2015. Salix, M&H etc. have jazzed it up a bit and gone with a more loud and modern look for their respective new ranges, so it's nice to see one of the major English brands keeping it traditional and classy...
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I get it when the likes of Kookaburra/GM/GN charge upwards of £350/£400 for their top of the range bats but at least they keep it consistent throughout the entire range, Newbery seem to have little to no consistency at all with their pricing - they've purely priced it trying to take advantage of their customers who will want the newer models which is poor IMO, why not sell the "old" bats for £399 instead of £299, are these supposedly inferior products?
Personally I'm amazed you'd be happy as a retailer stocking 2 bats of the exact same grade of willow, from the same brand, but with a £100 price tag difference purely because "it's the new one"
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Do you not think Newbery have got the branding a little confused this year?
Why would you call a plain, very simple looking bat "Panache" might unless they are being sarcastic... in which case "Satire" would be a perfect range
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For me personally (and I don't want to move Paul's thread off topic anymore) this is how you do classy. I like change and progress but these stickers are timeless IMHO.
(http://www.madaboutcricket.co.uk/s/cc_images/cache_2427611122.jpg?t=1364300055)
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Agree - I love the traditional Newbery styling. That said, I don't hae a problem with the Kudos and PAnache stickers either - they're still a lot more stylish than most.
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I get it when the likes of Kookaburra/GM/GN charge upwards of £350/£400 for their top of the range bats but at least they keep it consistent throughout the entire range, Newbery seem to have little to no consistency at all with their pricing - they've purely priced it trying to take advantage of their customers who will want the newer models which is poor IMO, why not sell the "old" bats for £399 instead of £299, are these supposedly inferior products?
Personally I'm amazed you'd be happy as a retailer stocking 2 bats of the exact same grade of willow, from the same brand, but with a £100 price tag difference purely because "it's the new one"
Like I said, it's not just the fact that they are new. The Kudos2 are supposed to be pro quality bats that are pressed differently to the rest of the range. We have been told in no uncertain terms that they are simply superior when it comes to performance. This intrigues me and I don't feel Newbery are the type to pull the wool over our eyes. I may be proven wrong, but we are at least willing to give them a try and see if we agree with them...
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Like I said, it's not just the fact that they are new. The Kudos2 are supposed to be pro quality bats that are pressed differently to the rest of the range. We have been told in no uncertain terms that they are simply superior when it comes to performance. This intrigues me and I don't feel Newbery are the type to pull the wool over our eyes. I may be proven wrong, but we are at least willing to give them a try and see if we agree with them...
Are we to presume that this process is either far more complex than their normal pressing, or that it reduces the lifespan of the bats, otherwise why are they doing a substandard job of pressing all the other models?
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Are we to presume that this process is either far more complex than their normal pressing, or that it reduces the lifespan of the bats, otherwise why are they doing a substandard job of pressing all the other models?
Very good questions, which we don't have answers to just yet...
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For me personally (and I don't want to move Paul's thread off topic anymore) this is how you do classy. I like change and progress but these stickers are timeless IMHO.
([url]http://www.madaboutcricket.co.uk/s/cc_images/cache_2427611122.jpg?t=1364300055[/url])
James, you must be pleased that they've retained the Mjolnir, then (in both the new and original profile shapes)?! :) The stickers haven't changed either...
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Yeah fair enough, just surprised they haven't created a new grade to attempt to justify it (Pro SPS or something like that) - if the average joe saw all their bats without knowing about the supposed differences in pressing then I'd be surprised if they're happy paying the extra whack for what would appear to be different stickers. Saying that is pressing a blade differently really worth £100? And if the pressing is so superior why not do this for all your bats? Would be good to hear your thoughts when you get a hold of one!
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Like I said, it's not just the fact that they are new. The Kudos2 are supposed to be pro quality bats that are pressed differently to the rest of the range. We have been told in no uncertain terms that they are simply superior when it comes to performance. This intrigues me and I don't feel Newbery are the type to pull the wool over our eyes. I may be proven wrong, but we are at least willing to give them a try and see if we agree with them...
So does that mean they've been selling duff bats to the public for years then??
Surely the pressing process (run the willow through a press) is the same, they just do it to a different level than usual??
And by pro quality does that mean will ping well yet break more easily, but who cares, there's another 8 of them in my bag??
This isn't a dig at you Paul as you can only quote what you've been told, but I'm not sure how Newbery can justify an extra £100 just for pressing a bat differently!
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I really like the Kudos2 stickers and the shape. The profile of the Panache is not too bad either but if I acquired one those stickers would be coming straight off. Looks like they've sat a 5 year old down on Microsoft Word and told them to make the word Panache look pretty.
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So does that mean they've been selling duff bats to the public for years then??
Surely the pressing process (run the willow through a press) is the same, they just do it to a different level than usual??
And by pro quality does that mean will ping well yet break more easily, but who cares, there's another 8 of them in my bag??
This isn't a dig at you Paul as you can only quote what you've been told, but I'm not sure how Newbery can justify an extra £100 just for pressing a bat differently!
I appreciate this is not a dig at us, but at this stage, until we know more, I would rather just keep it simple and not speculate. The bats will apparently perform better, so they are priced higher. That's good enough for most of our customers... :)
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What does everyone think of the Kudos softs? A little surprised nobody has commented on those yet...
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What does everyone think of the Kudos softs? A little surprised nobody has commented on those yet...
I'll hold off until they release the Kudos 2 players softs for double the price before I judge them ;)
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What does everyone think of the Kudos softs? A little surprised nobody has commented on those yet...
To me they don't look hugely different to what Newbery have been doing with their softs for several years now and the colour scheme just reminds me of toothpaste for some reason!
I guess the lack of comments suggests they are unremarkable
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just my opinion but I think modern day newbery bats,softs,etc are a triumph of advertising over product.
If you were someone who worked in sales you may see this as highly successful.
Retailers just stock them and indeed many club cricketers will buy the bats at pushing £350.00
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What does everyone think of the Kudos softs? A little surprised nobody has commented on those yet...
I personally like the color scheme on the softs...only if I could afford a kudos bat to go with them.
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What does everyone think of the Kudos softs? A little surprised nobody has commented on those yet...
Nice looking stuff - just worried that the leather will have been cut in a "better" way and that they'll be £40 more expensive as a result! :)
Seriously, none of this is a dig at you mate, just think Newbery are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes a bit with these prices and claims!
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Seriously, none of this is a dig at you mate, just think Newbery are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes a bit with these prices and claims!
I think they're just being greedy on the grounds of "everyone's heard of Newbery, they'll pay it because of reputation" and they'll probably get away with it too!
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Like I said, it's not just the fact that they are new. The Kudos2 are supposed to be pro quality bats that are pressed differently to the rest of the range. We have been told in no uncertain terms that they are simply superior when it comes to performance. This intrigues me and I don't feel Newbery are the type to pull the wool over our eyes. I may be proven wrong, but we are at least willing to give them a try and see if we agree with them...
Does that mean Kudos2 has a different pressing technique than what was used for Kudos ?
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Does that mean Kudos2 has a different pressing technique than what was used for Kudos ?
Apparently... sounds like a lot of pish to me personally!
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Does that mean Kudos2 has a different pressing technique than what was used for Kudos ?
Correct
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There are no Kudos2 softs, and the Kudos softs actually sit lower than the SPS softs in their range, so it's priced very nicely actually! Our prices will be:
Kudos gloves: £59.99
Kudos pads: £79.99
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Apparently... sounds like a lot of pish to me personally!
Why does it sound like a lot of pish to you? What would be the point of lying about something like this?
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Why does it sound like a lot of pish to you? What would be the point of lying about something like this?
To justify taking an extra £100 off those gullible enough to beleive it...
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To be honest, I'm a bit concerned that people can genuinely believe that one of the most respected cricket brands in the UK would be telling outright lies to their 10th largest account in the country purely in an effort to sell more bats.
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To justify taking an extra £100 off those gullible enough to beleive it...
Sadly, this.
Again not criticising you at all Paul, the brand sells well so it makes perfect sense for you to stock their bats - it just bemuses me when brands keep getting away with price hikes by adding a few extra letters to the name or some gimmick like this - if they can suddenly offer a bat that 'performs above all the rest' then what was the 'original' Kudos last year, fairly sure that bat was marketed as another bat that 'performs above all the rest'?
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Do the Kudos gloves have Pittard palms Paul? If so, is it the grey diamond variety or the white pitted type?
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To be honest, I'm a bit concerned that people can genuinely believe that one of the most respected cricket brands in the UK would be telling outright lies to their 10th largest account in the country purely in an effort to sell more bats.
So you honestly believe that any big company wouldn't bend the truth, however slightly, in order to sell more of their products to their own market?? (Talking about business in general, not just cricket)
And no one has mentioned Newbery outright lying, all I have suggested is that if this new bat outperforms all their other bats due to the type of pressing used then why didn't they use that method of pressing for all their other bats in the first place - a simple question which I'm sure has a simple answer!
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Do the Kudos gloves have Pittard palms Paul? If so, is it the grey diamond variety or the white pitted type?
Pretty sure they do, but can't remember the type. I will get back to you about this soon...
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So you honestly believe that any big company wouldn't bend the truth, however slightly, in order to sell more of their products to their own market?? (Talking about business in general, not just cricket)
And no one has mentioned Newbery outright lying, all I have suggested is that if this new bat outperforms all their other bats due to the type of pressing used then why didn't they use that method of pressing for all their other bats in the first place - a simple question which I'm sure has a simple answer!
If your views are correct, and they don't actually press them differently, what they've told me would be a lie, plain and simple, wouldn't it?! Not an instance of bending of the truth? This isn't just marketing, is it?! If it were, then how come they aren't promoting this claim actively themselves? So, I revert to my original question: what would be the point of lying to me about this?
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If your views are correct, and they don't actually press them differently, what they've told me would be a lie, plain and simple, wouldn't it?! Not an instance of bending of the truth? This isn't just marketing, is it?! If it were, then how come they aren't promoting this claim actively themselves? So, I revert to my original question: what would be the point of lying to me about this?
Because you have a customer base who are loyal to you, and trust your word on bat selection. If you believe this false truth, and tell your customers as a believer then they will buy buy buy. And newbery will get sales.
Why else would they lie but for me.
Not actually saying I believe they have lied, but if true, then why would anyone now buy there inferior bats? Regardless. Price tends to be on looks not performance with grading. Newbery are claiming something else here, and admitting all ther other bats are not the best.
After all, in cricket you want performance.
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If your views are correct, and they don't actually press them differently, what they've told me would be a lie, plain and simple, wouldn't it?! Not an instance of bending of the truth? This isn't just marketing, is it?! If it were, then how come they aren't promoting this claim actively themselves? So, I revert to my original question: what would be the point of lying to me about this?
Not once have I said, or even suggested, that they don't press the kudos2 differently to the other bats, I totally believe that - You're totally missing the question I've asked many times now!
What I'm asking is why??? If this new 'pro' style of pressing gives a more responsive bat then why haven't they done this all along with all their blades and why should it cost more than normal pressing? I'm sure the process will take no difference in time so why charge more? Surely you would want to produce the best bat every time, not just for the pros...
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Not actually saying I believe they have lied, but if true, then why would anyone now buy there inferior bats? Regardless. Price tends to be on looks not performance with grading. Newbery are claiming something else here, and admitting all ther other bats are not the best.
Agreed.
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Not once have I said, or even suggested, that they don't press the kudos2 differently to the other bats, I totally believe that - You're totally missing the question I've asked many times now!
What I'm asking is why??? If this new 'pro' style of pressing gives a more responsive bat then why haven't they done this all along with all their blades and why should it cost more than normal pressing? I'm sure the process will take no difference in time so why charge more? Surely you would want to produce the best bat every time, not just for the pros...
You do realise that even if I knew the answer (which I still don't), I couldn't reveal it in public, right?! I am sorry I misread your question.
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Seems strange they are saying the kudos2 has better pick up and give better performance than the kudos that they are still selling. Its almost as if they are saying the original kudos is rubbish.
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No need to apologise Paul, again not criticising IJC at all - personally I enjoy watching all your video reviews and like what you've done (No doubt I'll be down the shop at some point during the off season to stash up!!).
I'm just curious really, I'm sure you can imagine it must be frustrating for the smaller companies like H4L, Aldred, Hawk etc - they do all they can to produce the best bats day in day out, could they get away with a £100 price hike? Probably not
Totally appreciate you wouldn't be able to say anything, would rather Newbery explain it themselves instead of giving it the usual "only the top % of our willow makes these bats/pro grade" etc etc
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Seems strange they are saying the kudos2 has better pick up and give better performance than the kudos that they are still selling. Its almost as if they are saying the original kudos is rubbish.
This probably sums up the whole point easiest! haha
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Seems strange they are saying the kudos2 has better pick up and give better performance than the kudos that they are still selling. Its almost as if they are saying the original kudos is rubbish.
I can see what you mean, but I think "rubbish" is taking it a bit far. Just because a certain bat is (apparently) better than another doesn't make the (apparently) inferior bat "rubbish"! To illustrate the point with an analogy: in the same way that I think Jimmy Anderson is a better bowler than Liam Plunkett, I don't think Plunkett is rubbish - both are quality players - worthy of the England cap, but I think most of us would agree who is the better bowler of the two...
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I can see what you mean, but I think "rubbish" is taking it a bit far. Just because a certain bat is (apparently) better than another doesn't make the (apparently) inferior bat "rubbish"! To illustrate the point with an analogy: in the same way that I think Jimmy Anderson is a better bowler than Liam Plunkett, I don't think Plunkett is rubbish - both are quality players - worthy of the England cap, but I think most of us would agree who is the better bowler of the two...
Just dont ask gerry that question!
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I think the point is that I wouldn't have been happy if last season i had shelled out a shedload of cash on a Liam being told its the best only to find out that this season they'd released a Jimmy that was better in every way, when I'd been told Liam was the dogs.
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as a player not anywhere close to a newberry the price hike seems high and a bit uncalled for. However in their defence, they think it is worth the cash The proof will be in the pudding. If the Kudos 2 is their highest selling bat of 2015 then who cares what we think they will be laughing! It does seem a bit much when some of the small companies are charing 250 for players grade custom and newberry are charging a lot more for a pre designed shape.
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Just dont ask gerry that question!
Or anyone from Yorkshire :-)
I think Paul hit the nail on the head about 3 pages ago that they will not stock bats that they don't think are worth it.
They will also find that if there are a lot of bats left over, they will have to review what they have done.
As a consumer, don't buy one if you think the cost is too high, yet they are at a similar price to mass produced bats like GM and Spartan and I bet these bats are as good as the larger brands.
There are lots of people who will buy them just because they can and want to.
Newbery has stated this bat, the Kudos2, is better performing than the previous versions. Until I have seen Paul's review (if he is doing one) I will wait to see if it is. I am sure they wouldn't say this unless there was confidence in the product.
Neon - who asked about how and why. Perhaps they have only just learnt about it, maybe they have a new guy who is pressing bats better than the last. Maybe they are trying it out on one bat before the others, so they can be sure of its performance over the other bats?
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But surely within any industry, the top grade products will be different to the lower grade ones. Just the same as asking why companies don't put XRD or Pittards palms on every single one of their pads and gloves, or why (some companies!) make only their top bats in England and the rest in Asia. Simply, because they have to save the better equipment and materials (and pressing) for the top quality, and priced, range.
It is simple. If you want the best, then you have to pay for the best, otherwise if everything has these special features then there is no longer any point of having different pricing levels.
Now, not having seen the Kudos2 in the flesh, or having pinged them, I couldn't tell you if they are the best. However, clearly Newbery think they are, and have some kind of scientific reasoning for this (i.e. the different pressing technique), so they can justify this price rise.
Again, as many people have said, if this pressing proves to be better, why should Newbery put it on their other products? Doesn't it make sense to incentivise people to buy the best?
That's just my thoughts - and do not necessarily reflect those of IJC. I accept that the pressing may not be the best - I'm looking at this from a principal point of view rather then a practical one.
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I don't think newbery has lied but I'll bet my left testicle that it doesn't take anymore time to press the kudos2 than any other one of there bats but they want to charge an extra100 smackeroonies. It's called greed.
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Simple economics really - if two products are made from the same materials and manufactured by the same people using almost entirely the same processes, why should one cost 30% more? If Newbery's grading is consistent across the ranges, then the only differences between a Krakatoa (say) and a Kudos2 are the shape and the pressing. Shape is a matter of personal preference rather than measurable performance benefits (I'm sure someone will disagree with that), and although I'm not intimately familiar with the pressing process I doubt very highly that there's a big cost/time difference between different methods!
As for the palm leather analogy - this doesn't work at all! Cheap gloves don't have expensive leather palms because expensive leather is expensive (ie. not cheap), so gloves with expensive leather must retail at a higher price for the manufacturer to make a profit. Similarly with outsourcing manufacture abroad, companies in any sector don't just do that for the fun of it.
Pressing one way or another (almost certainly) doesn't cost any extra, so logically the bat should not cost more (or at least not a lot more), and as it doesn't cost any more to press a bat well rather than badly you would assume any bat company would aim to press every bat as well as possible. The willow grading would still lead to a price rise across a range. The extra cost and 'superior pressing' claims to me implies two things - either Newbury are deliberately making some bats to a lower standard, or they are simply trying to squeeze extra money out of customers with a new range, or both! This doesn't make me dead keen to go out and buy one of their bats.
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Newbery might argue that with the Premium Pressing on the Kudos2 they are charging more because they need to start to recoup the R&D costs that went into developing and implementing this and as the results are better than their previous technique they offer two options. You can have the premium product that performs better at a premium price, or you can have the standard product that is still very good, but at a more palatable price...
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That would be a reasonable reason for charging more for a new product, but still... a third more?
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Slightly off topic here but I was looking at the stockists for Newbery and their Australian stockist is a "company" that has no website and only 4 Twitter followers... does that make sense? Newberys number 1 stockist in Australia
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Newbery might argue that with the Premium Pressing on the Kudos2 they are charging more because they need to start to recoup the R&D costs that went into developing and implementing this and as the results are better than their previous technique they offer two options. You can have the premium product that performs better at a premium price, or you can have the standard product that is still very good, but at a more palatable price...
would iot not make sense to press all the bats the 'better' way and spread the premium then?
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would iot not make sense to press all the bats the 'better' way and spread the premium then?
Given the increase in willow costs already factored into the price increases this year, the additional pressing costs would have raised the price of normal bats too much.
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It's not a third more on the new pressing alone, because there is already a "new model premium" of 12.5% on the Kudos and Panache SPS's over the older model SPS's... ;)
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Given the increase in willow costs already factored into the price increases this year, the additional pressing costs would have raised the price of normal bats too much.
Would it though??
When you even it out over the whole range I imagine the difference wouldn't be as huge as some would expect.
How many lower end bats are sold? If that's quite a high figure/percentage of sales an extra £10 - £15 per bat would probably make more up than sales of just the Kudos 2 at the inflated price would. That would then reduce the prices of their new top end bats and everyone's happy(ish).
(This is just speculation on my part, I have no idea what Newbery's sales figures actually look like!)
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May be they bought a brand new press and as people are saying that they do want to test that out with Kudos2.
Why to change what is working and based on that keep existing bats on the existing process till it becomes cheaper and viable to press all bats in this new process.
May be they hired someone to whom they are paying premium for getting the new tech/process working for kudos 2.
Everyone is saying why not do it on all bats but may be that is not feasible now.
It will not make sense to get rid of existing setup and say replace all they machinery at one time.
Without knowing the underlying change we cannot comment if the price hike was required or if it's just a marketing gimmic to state that we have now one top of the line bats.
There are so many factors here guys.
Thanks to Paul @IJC that we have some info but as always incomplete info leads to more doubts than confidence.
So people who have the money can buy Kudos2.
May be save your 100gbp by not participating in buying cheap equipment challenge and invest that in Kudos2.
Newbery runs a big operation and it takes time and money to bring in new technology and implement that in your existing product range.
I can give similar examples from other industries if needed.
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Slightly off topic here but I was looking at the stockists for Newbery and their Australian stockist is a "company" that has no website and only 4 Twitter followers... does that make sense? Newberys number 1 stockist in Australia
There are no Australian stockists for the English made Newbery.
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There are no Australian stockists for the English made Newbery.
Think you better check their website skip
http://newbery.co.uk/pages/stockists (http://newbery.co.uk/pages/stockists)
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Try giving them a bell and see how you go.
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Going by their Twitter they stock Salix as well
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Salix is not an issue, the Newbery licence is.
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Well Newbery UK state they are a distributor
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As I said, try giving them a bell.
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Another way of looking at it:
Maybe Kudos 2 is made in UK/inhouse and rest of ranges have been outsourced to elsewhere? Which could explain the higher cost of making Kudos2 and relatively cheaper other models!! Reason for this could be that maybe they want to keep the pressing process a secret. I am just guessing here...regardless the pricing is ridiculous.
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Another way of looking at it:
Maybe Kudos 2 is made in UK/inhouse and rest of ranges have been outsourced to elsewhere? Which could explain the higher cost of making Kudos2 and relatively cheaper other models!! Reason for this could be that maybe they want to keep the pressing process a secret. I am just guessing here...regardless the pricing is ridiculous.
Why does a higher RRP have to be the result of a higher manufacturing cost?
In many industries the following scenario occurs:
1. Company develops product line
2. The cost of manufacture for those products may be the same or different.
3. The marketing department decides on the RRP for each product - products which cost the same to manufacture are often sold at vastly different prices.
It is the marketing department's job to sell the products. Each product range needs a flagship product. The marketing dept must decide how much they think that product is worth in the marketplace (irrespective of the manufacturing cost). To position products in the market based on a standard percentage markup on top of manufacturing cost is not good business.
Let me give you an example.
A company manufactures 2 tennis racquets. Each racquet costs the company $16 to manufacture at its factory in China.
Racquet A is the flagship racquet in the range. It will have a RRP of $499.
Racquet B is an entry level frame and will sell for $99.
Although they have the same manufacturing cost there is a huge discrepancy in RRP. The racquet company expects the cheaper product to outsell the more expensive product by 30 to 1. So even though the margin is much smaller the company will still make money off the cheaper product because it is a volume seller.
Why do some consumers opt for the expensive option? Because it's the flagship!! It is the top of the range. The latest and greatest. That's what the marketing department gets paid to tell them.
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Another way of looking at it:
Maybe Kudos 2 is made in UK/inhouse and rest of ranges have been outsourced to elsewhere? Which could explain the higher cost of making Kudos2 and relatively cheaper other models!! Reason for this could be that maybe they want to keep the pressing process a secret. I am just guessing here...regardless the pricing is ridiculous.
Funnily enough, I did hear someone suggest this was happening, but maybe they had heard that about the Junior range being made abroad, which we know already. Just wouldn't make sense to me though, surely they want to keep their quality control consistent, so will just hire the same batmaker for all bats in the range? If it isn't broke, don't fix it!
Personally, I never really trusted Newbery the same after this:
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=26778.30 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=26778.30)
Have to say, of all the ranges, the best value for money in my eyes is the Players range for the Uzi/Krakatoa/Mjolnir. £30 pricier than the grade below it, which is quite rare to see! Won't be surprised if these three end up being the best sellers of the range.
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Last chance for Newbery pre-orders, guys (going to pick the bats on Thursday)...
In the meantime, this is what Newbery have said about the Kudos2 (from their Instagram):
The #kudos2 is an upgraded version of the original bat and it has created plenty of excitement. With a new dipped flat toe which increases the size of the toe and the shoulders. This has created a massive sweet spot. Beautifully designed with brand new black and gold embossed stickers. The bat makers were given free reign and they have discovered a whole new way of pressing the bat which has been a huge success and in turn has increased power in the bat. The weight distribution has been spread with precision for an ultimate pick up. If you enjoyed the original kudos then this is the bat for you! For more information and prices keep an eye out, all the new ranges for 2015 are available from November. Both bats are available in SPS and Player. #newbery #newrange #mightykudos #cricket #kudos
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Going to Newbery this afternoon, so if you want to be one of the first people in the world to own one of their new bats, please get in touch by about 2pm... :)
Also, we are going to be picking up some accessories, grips and (hopefully) a few softs whilst there, so if you are after anything like this, please let us know too.
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Last chance for Newbery pre-orders, guys (going to pick the bats on Thursday)...
In the meantime, this is what Newbery have said about the Kudos2 (from their Instagram):
The #kudos2 is an upgraded version of the original bat and it has created plenty of excitement. With a new dipped flat toe which increases the size of the toe and the shoulders. This has created a massive sweet spot. Beautifully designed with brand new black and gold embossed stickers. The bat makers were given free reign and they have discovered a whole new way of pressing the bat which has been a huge success and in turn has increased power in the bat. The weight distribution has been spread with precision for an ultimate pick up. If you enjoyed the original kudos then this is the bat for you! For more information and prices keep an eye out, all the new ranges for 2015 are available from November. Both bats are available in SPS and Player. #newbery #newrange #mightykudos #cricket #kudos
In no way aimed at you Paul but even that description from newbery isnt too great IMO.
"If you enjoyed the original kudos then this is the bat for you!" - TRANSLATION - If you spent £300+ on a bat last year that we've now just found a better way of making when we told you this was the best bat we've ever made then cash, cheque and all major credit cards are accepted!!!
Have fun at newbery, hope you can post a few pictures
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One of the bats we picked today was this Tour - the lightest Tour bat I have ever seen! :o
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-TourSPSweight_zps85e7e57d.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-TourSPSweight_zps85e7e57d.jpg.html)
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Is that as SPS :o
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As our visit was so early, many of the Panache bats didn't even have stickers on yet, but this lovely (and very light) SPS was an exception...
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-PanacheSPSface_zps89027577.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-PanacheSPSface_zps89027577.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-PanacheSPSweight_zps9ec0a5c6.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-PanacheSPSweight_zps9ec0a5c6.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-PanacheSPSprofile_zps75bd7d07.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-PanacheSPSprofile_zps75bd7d07.jpg.html)
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And these are the Panache bats we took in the Player grade, still to be stickered up and hammer edged...
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-PanachePlayers-faces_zpsb20cddfb.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-PanachePlayers-faces_zpsb20cddfb.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-PanachePlayers-profiles_zpsc683e24c.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-PanachePlayers-profiles_zpsc683e24c.jpg.html)
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The Kudos2 was even less advanced than the Panache and the stickers haven't even arrived yet! This was a pretty meaty one we found in the Player grade. Regarding the different pressing, I felt they certainly tapped up incredibly well and were fairly soft. I wouldn't say there was an obvious difference, though...
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2Playerface_zps0d018697.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-Kudos2Playerface_zps0d018697.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2profile_zps3630973a.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-Kudos2profile_zps3630973a.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2spine_zpsdbbb3df3.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-Kudos2spine_zpsdbbb3df3.jpg.html)
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Is that as SPS :o
8 straight and perfectly even grains, without heartwood and no major blemishes. I don't know what you're seeing, but that's like most SPS bats I see...
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I will finish with this pic of all 18 bats selected, including 7 juniors. Just wish Chris was with me to help create another wagon wheel photo design (I am far less artistic!!) :-[
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-allbatspicked_zps8601bfb9.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-allbatspicked_zps8601bfb9.jpg.html)
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Whats the price of this Kudo2?
author=ItsJustCricket link=topic=32065.msg506947#msg506947 date=1412887727]
The Kudos2 was even less advanced than the Panache and the stickers haven't even arrived yet! This was a pretty meaty one we found in the Player grade. Regarding the different pressing, I felt they certainly tapped up incredibly well and were fairly soft. I wouldn't say there was an obvious difference, though...
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2Playerface_zps0d018697.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-Kudos2Playerface_zps0d018697.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2profile_zps3630973a.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-Kudos2profile_zps3630973a.jpg.html)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2spine_zpsdbbb3df3.jpg) (http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/ItsJustCricket/media/NewberyVisit-Kudos2spine_zpsdbbb3df3.jpg.html)
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Whats the price of this Kudo2?
author=ItsJustCricket link=topic=32065.msg506947#msg506947 date=1412887727]
The Kudos2 was even less advanced than the Panache and the stickers haven't even arrived yet! This was a pretty meaty one we found in the Player grade. Regarding the different pressing, I felt they certainly tapped up incredibly well and were fairly soft. I wouldn't say there was an obvious difference, though...
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All the prices are listed earlier in the thread, but I can tell you that it's £299.99
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Very M&H Original High/Harlequin!
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Is it me or does that spine look like it isn't straight? It looks like it tails off to the left hand side.
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2spine_zpsdbbb3df3.jpg)
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It might just be an illusion with the grains running off that way, I can definitely seen what you mean though
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Very M&H Original High/Harlequin!
Indeed, a bit like the GT too... :) Having said that, the profiles on the Panache Player bats are slightly different, which I thought was interesting!
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Funky pressing techniques, imaginative pricing, wonky spines and differing profiles within the one model... It's all happening at Newbery! :D
That light Tour does look interesting though...
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Is it me or does that spine look like it isn't straight? It looks like it tails off to the left hand side.
([url]http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2spine_zpsdbbb3df3.jpg[/url])
Hadn't even noticed that - I was spending more time admiring the chunkiness of the toe! I am pretty sure it isn't really wonky though, but will double check when we get the bats next week...
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Why has the Panache got two different looking sets of stickers?
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Is it me or does that spine look like it isn't straight? It looks like it tails off to the left hand side.
([url]http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/NewberyVisit-Kudos2spine_zpsdbbb3df3.jpg[/url])
I've noticed that on a few handmade bats that have passed through my hands. I've just seen it as the pod-shaver being right handed.
I don't think the pro's would even notice the difference.
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Why has the Panache got two different looking sets of stickers?
Do you mean different fonts for the word 'Panache'? I only noticed this for the first time this morning - don't know what's going on there really! I will have to ask Newbery.
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Kudos 2 article by newbery
http://newbery.co.uk/blogs/news/15843960-introducing-kudos2-2015s-best-cricket-bat
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I'm glad it's "Professionally pressed" wouldn't want any old amateur pressing my cricket bats.
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The Kudos2 is also professionally pressed, like we do for our pro players, so you can feel the difference when you step up to the crease.
Not so revolutionary then, just what they did for pro bats all along
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Maketing gimmick, not worth an extra £100 on the Kudos but each to their own, in sure they'll sell.
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I wish I'd come up with that sales line. Has anyone seen the process on how it differs or do they press them softer for instant use. One thing for sure, Murray Goodwin hasn't seen the price tag before the promo, otherwise the gt335 would be going for a refurb instead!!