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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: Sam on January 11, 2015, 06:21:34 PM
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Thought I'd open a thread. Does anyone know if CA will provide a stream for the tour match tonight like they did before the ashes?
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I've done a little research and can't see it on here in the UK. It's on TMS at 10.45pm though, top bedtime listening.
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Bell Ali taylor top 3 announced by morgan earlier.
Say they are the inform players. Unsure how bell proved his form?
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Bell v Hales is not something I'm going to moan about really, not like Bell did dreadful in the position. Hoping a live stream link pops up, even if it is just a single camera like last time.
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Hales is out of form. And currently not worthy of a chance. If he performs in the nets and looks good let him have a warm up atleast
But currently until he returns to Notts and sorts his head out. He is nowhere.
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Surprised if Morgan was so certain that they didn't let Hales stay on for another big bash game.
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Although I don't like it, I think Hales not playing is right.
however of England had given him a run in the team when he was the no 1 2020 batsman in the world they would be reaping the dividends now. they didn't and Hales will go down as yet another player the management team screwed up. to add to a long list.
still the line up we have isn't bad.
Ali
Bell
Taylor
root
Morgan
butler
bopara
woakes
broad
Treadwell
Anderson
the attention should now turn to our bowlers... they need to be a load better than they have been.
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Very lucky for these three teams to prepare for the World Cup in Australian conditions. Good for them. I wonder if other teams feel resentful about this special arrangement.
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Very lucky for these three teams to prepare for the World Cup in Australian conditions. Good for them. I wonder if other teams feel resentful about this special arrangement.
Not sure when this series was arranged but hardly surprising that the big 3 are there together.
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I'm wondering whether we'll play another seamer tonight instead of Tredwell as we practically know what he can do, but are still perhaps looking for a few more signs for the 4th seamers spot in case Woakes doesn't perform.
http://live.cricket.com.au/#/5047/1 (http://live.cricket.com.au/#/5047/1) - That's the most hopeful place I've found so far, hopefully the stream pops up on the right hand side when the match starts. Is it a 2 days match ????
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Not sure when this series was arranged but hardly surprising that the big 3 are there together.
England in the 'big 3'????
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England in the 'big 3'????
The big 3 that run the sport. Not the top 3 playing nations.
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England won the imaginary toss and elected to bat. Apparently all 15 will be allowed to field but only 11 will be allowed to bat.
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50 all round.
Bell Ali taylor root bopara all got to a half century. Morgan 32 Woakes 40 odd and just buttler who failed
3 wickets for tredwell, Ali 2 broad 2
England 368 for 6
Oppo 148 All out.
A pretty one sided warm uo
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Although I don't like it, I think Hales not playing is right.
however of England had given him a run in the team when he was the no 1 2020 batsman in the world they would be reaping the dividends now. they didn't and Hales will go down as yet another player the management team screwed up. to add to a long list.
Agree with you there buzz, instead of seizing the moment, the England management let it slip through their fingers. The ineptitude is embarrassing
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I do worry about the bowling line up with Broad, Finn and Jordan their economy rates are a worry.
The amount of wides bowled by Jordan just isn't good enough for international cricket
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Still don't think we know what our bowling plans are! Are we trying to get wickets to restrict runs or bowling to contain.
Having watched the SA game yesterday it is obvious in todays game that quality pace off bowlers are vital. I couldn't believe Du Plessis bowled Abbot penultimate over when the left arm spinner was left stranded with only 3 overs completed with one of the lowest economy rates. With the field out, make the batsmen generate the pace and mistakes will come.
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As a result id love to see someone like Rashid or even someone outside the box like Jigger Naik at Leics get a chance.
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feel sorry for hales. As buzz said when he was on the top of his game he should have been given a chance in the ODI side. Do get a feeling he'll be messed about and sent back to county cricket and back into the side numerous times over the next few years.
Interesting to see how tredwell goes in aus after the Aussies targeted him in the one Sayers this time last year.
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What the hell is the point axing the misfiring opener(Cook) and then replacing him with another similar style player(Bell)?
Hales, I'm not a fan, but he give it a decent slog when he clicks. If Bell bats 50 overs its still likely England will only get a par score. If Hales clicks England would win.
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I personally wish they'd have let Hales continue in the BBL until the first match at least, would have helped him a lot more than sitting on the sidelines like at the moment. To be honest at least Bell does have the ability to turn it up a bit when he gets going and has actually been scoring runs in the position unlike Cook. Cook just looked unable to do much more than grounded shots most of the time, and even then he wasn't getting the scores.
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I personally wish they'd have let Hales continue in the BBL until the first match at least, would have helped him a lot more than sitting on the sidelines like at the moment. To be honest at least Bell does have the ability to turn it up a bit when he gets going and has actually been scoring runs in the position unlike Cook. Cook just looked unable to do much more than grounded shots most of the time, and even then he wasn't getting the scores.
Look at the openers from Australia(Warner & Finch), India(Rohit & Dhawan) and South Africa(Amla & de Kock) all of them sides will be going from ball one from both ends.
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Look at the openers from Australia(Warner & Finch), India(Rohit & Dhawan) and South Africa(Amla & de Kock) all of them sides will be going from ball one from both ends.
If Bell can tick over at nearly a run a ball while Ali gets going at the other end I don't personally have much of a problem with it. It's not like Hales was an instant hitter anyway, always took a bit of time to see himself in.
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Look at the openers from Australia(Warner & Finch), India(Rohit & Dhawan) and South Africa(Amla & de Kock) all of them sides will be going from ball one from both ends.
Amla is not exactly a big hitter from ball 1. He rotates strike and plays a long and deep inning. It is Quentin De Kock who hits from ball 1. I think this is the thought behind a Bell and Ali combination: one will rotate strike and play a deep and long inning while other will hit big. Hales takes his warm-up time before he starts hitting big.
Finch also rotates strike before going big, it is Warner who starts hitting (mentally and spiritually) before the first ball is even delivered!
Also, the oppositions will be prepared for all these big time openers. They will bowl to cramp them up. Let's face it: we may not see a lot of fireworks by these openers as they are known entities to the opposition bowlers. If I were a coach for one of these non-tri-series playing teams, I would be taking a lot of notes.
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Bell on 166* last time I looked. Taylor and Ali 50s
England looking like touching 400!
No idea condition of pitch. But berendorf and Cummins bowled well in big bash. And maxwell is aus first choice odi spinner at mo!
Too optimistic?
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It is bizarre that Bell plays so well as an opener and loses it when he's at 3 in ODIs, don't mind him opening as long as it continues though!
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bell can do a job now AC is not in the team, you(we) need a mix of power and strokeplayers
I actually quite like bell and moheen for the pitches in Australia,both have good techniques(is there a better one than Ian Bell?) and we have some thumpers down the order
I know these are just warm up games but England are slowly grasping that we need to hit 300
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Jordan seems to have gone off the end of a cliff - I'm sure in his last few ODI's game, he's been battered.
Aussie rattling along at quite a rate in reply!
Time for King Ravi and the Beard that's Feared to run through them.
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Glenn Maxwell finally finds some form blasts a hundred of 68 balls.
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Jordan seems to have gone off the end of a cliff - I'm sure in his last few ODI's game, he's been battered.
Aussie rattling along at quite a rate in reply!
Time for King Ravi and the Beard that's Feared to run through them.
Jordan's three overs have cost 40 runs that's just not good enough. I do worry about the run rates conceded by our bowlers. Don't think our batters will be able to chase 300+ regularly
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This would be pretty embarrassing if England lose this.
Enjoying broad getting smashed around the park by maxwell here. Some hitting!
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And broad gets him in the end. That should be the end of the chase
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PM XI scored 300+ without Warner, Finch, Smith, Clarke/Bailey, and Haddin. Only Anderson didn't now bowl from the England side. Overall, I feel PM XI performed admirably although they lost the match.
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Top order did well.
Bell 0
Ali 22
Taylor 0
Root 3
Bopara 13
Good job captain morgan is holding the fort
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Ton up for morgan! Well batted buddy.
Despite it hrs struggling and tales off a slow pitch. He hits the mark in 12 balls.
Cook could only dream off 3 figures.
Despite the misgivings of the commentators regarding the pitch. I reckon we are still gonna be 50 runs short.
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Well batted under pressure. I was looking at him and going, something is different about him and behold saw the Spartan bat
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Thought i would get up and watch a sneaky hour this morning turned on the t.v went out and put the kettle on came in a minute later 2 down, good knock from Morgan. Think Ali needs to step off gas if we lose a quick couple of wicket as 50 overs is a fair amount of cricket.
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Broad boo'd again batting. Despite his change on appearance. Lol
Bowling. Woakes clocking faster speeds than Finn. Didn't expect that.
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Finch's poor form continues. Looks like he's been worked out.
This should be over pretty quick if these 2 stay in
Pretty poor bowling so far, can only get worse with Jordan bowling.
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Same old england.. Poor poor poor
Still, as long as the team ethic is good, they have plans and they all speak the PR lingo they should be set for another bumper contract. Capt seems to bring morgan out which is Good.
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Two key batsman for Australia in now,
Warner is just a gun batsman, and smith is in the form of his life.
Two huge wickets for any team to get at the moment
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I don't care how old Lumb is. He should definitely be in your WC side. He's a beast.
England's bowling attack will get destroyed in this tournament. May do ok in NZ conditions though, how many games do they have over here?
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Ive been impressed by Woakes bowling in this match, I've never really rated him but he's showing good pace and seems to be learning all the time. Looks to be the type of player who can kick on for England.
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Hmmm, I agree - 50 runs short it looks like - and Australia have the opportunity to walk this home.
I admire the loyalty in keeping faith in Jordan and Finn - however if one is leaking runs and the other bowling well below pace, perhaps it is difficult to keep both in the same side?
Very, very happy for Morgan though. This could be one member of our squad who may enhance his reputation through the tournament.
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How does Bopara keep getting a run?
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How does Bopara keep getting a run?
Generally been in good form for England in the lower order and can certainly get the ball over the ropes, also a handy fill in bowler. Personally I like Bopara and feel he is under rated a lot of the time
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Finch's poor form continues. Looks like he's been worked out.
This should be over pretty quick if these 2 stay in
Pretty poor bowling so far, can only get worse with Jordan bowling.
He was always going to be found out, his footwork is non existent. It was laughable when people suggesting he should be in the test side.
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Generally been in good form for England in the lower order and can certainly get the ball over the ropes, also a handy fill in bowler. Personally I like Bopara and feel he is under rated a lot of the time
He averages 31 with the bat and 38 with the ball.
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He averages 31 with the bat and 38 with the ball.
That's the thing with averages. They dont current recent form. Just overall ccareer. Which most would admit has been poor overall. but
He got dropped. We were pants. He came back and had done a decent job since. We are still pants mind.
Kingravi!!!
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He averaged 26 in 20 digs through 2014, sorry I can't agree with you. I don't think Finn looks too bad, looks miles better than Jordan.
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How can the Umpire not give that one out, it was dead!
This SL umpire has been poor for a while, made a number of shockers in the test series too.
England look 100 short. Broad must be a bit embarrassed calling this line up the most powerful batting line up, Judged that on 2 warm up games against poor opposition.
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What's wrong with Anderson?
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The Aussies must be laughing once again. Twice now they've done the same to England. Give them 2 poor teams to play against with no pace and aggression (minus Maxwell's innings), then hit them with full on pace and aggression and hard wickets.
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More shocking umpiring.
Find this bonus point rule pointless, not too sure why it's allowed. It's pretty stupid having a game within a game
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England's attack has no menace. Broad, Jordan, Woakes, Ali and Finn. On these kind of pitches they don't have the skills to get wickets. England eill br chasing 300+ pretty much all the time if they bowl first.
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@skip1973 yoru rights stats don't show. He started well against Sri Lanka though with two 50s and many of his innings are last ten overs were he's expected to slog straight off.
He seemed in good nick to us, but as england are poor....... It's probably just better than most.
@Kieron_BT in the warm up cummins and berrendorf were both bowling quicker than any of the england ATTACK in this game! Cummins hits 150 plus regularly. It was the pitch which was dead.
Another poor decision. I see the Indian board have forced the non drs on the england and aus games too. Disgraceful
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Clever from Australia.
Throw a few wickets away ate nd. But still win easily.
Narrow minded England set up now be talking about "we took 7 wickets, ran them close. No need to change, jolly good game"
Australia laughing,
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The Aussies must be laughing once again. Twice now they've done the same to England. Give them 2 poor teams to play against with no pace and aggression (minus Maxwell's innings), then hit them with full on pace and aggression and hard wickets.
Hard wicket? Looked a slow one to me. England couldn't play the swing more like, something they play against everyday in England.
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We seem short of an out and out quick or 2, but Woakes and Ali did ok. Broad seems short of a gallop and doesn't appear to grasp the senior bowler nettle.
But the real issue is we haven't scored enough runs again, Morgan saved us from a real hammering.
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we have only just binned the mentality that 250 is a decent score in one dayers,it was 10 years ago,not today
at least we are going with more aggressive players in the batting who can play a few shots
the problem is the same one it's been for years, our bowlers get panned on good tracks, and Anderson,terrific bowler thou he is,is up and down and will get smacked.
Tredwell has got to play all the time just because it's pace off the ball and he has a brain....
Bops is a decent bowler but the rest?
we need someone who can stick it in one srea on the pithc so at least you can set a field...
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What's wrong with Anderson?
Quite - a bowler who could bowl with some control would be useful. Broad, Jordan and Finn look like too many millionaire bowlers. Woakes, by sticking it on a length seems to have found a magic formula, funny that.
England were well beaten but Starc got the ball to swing early doors and England had to dig themselves out of a hole. No swing for England to work with and they didn't make the same inroads.
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Think today highlighted the difference in our batmen facing 80-85mph bowlers and 85-90+ ones with a bit of movement. Its amazing how that extra 5mph the top international teams have (Aus, SA) causes major issues. Unfortunately Finn was our only real quick, and he bowls about as fast as Bopara now!!!! You need x factor bowlers in ODIs and T20. If we cant find a rapid bowler then we need to find some spin options that offer something different
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Nick - I actually meant - is he unfit?
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Nick - I actually meant - is he unfit?
Dodgy knee, not worth risking apparently.
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Nick - I actually meant - is he unfit?
Don't care, any excuse to moan about our bowlers inability to bowl in the right areas is fine with me ;)
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Think today highlighted the difference in our batmen facing 80-85mph bowlers and 85-90+ ones with a bit of movement. Its amazing how that extra 5mph the top international teams have (Aus, SA) causes major issues. Unfortunately Finn was our only real quick, and he bowls about as fast as Bopara now!!!! You need x factor bowlers in ODIs and T20. If we cant find a rapid bowler then we need to find some spin options that offer something different
Maybe, but NZ have similar pace bowlers to us and they do ok. SL seamers didn't do that badly in SL against us either. Whether it's Moores or Saker, somebody needs to give our bowlers a rocket.
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Agreed. Maybe Saker has gone under the radar. Look how well our guys were bowling when Allan Donald took control for a bit
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Maybe, but NZ have similar pace bowlers to us and they do ok. SL seamers didn't do that badly in SL against us either. Whether it's Moores or Saker, somebody needs to give our bowlers a rocket.
The likes of Southee and Boult have more skills than the England bowlers.
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The likes of Southee and Boult have more skills than the England bowlers.
Wouldn't say it's skills but general discipline, the ability to probe in the same spot or to vary each delivery without losing line and length. In general bowlers have been moving their lengths further up to the batsman in most forms of international cricket. Its a theme with England that they seem to bowl shorter than most other teams.
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Nz have a decent attack, in fact they are a good test side.They are over here before the Ashes for 2 test matches(scheduling problems YES but they have always been classed as minnows by us-how embarrassing) so we will see..
I don't know how Jordan went today but I would scrap him at the moment and pick someone else. Woakes have improved no end and from but panned on this forum now looks like one of our better bowlers in one day cricket.
And yes, absolutely...we bowl too short-consistently..
frustrating :)
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Wouldn't say it's skills but general discipline, the ability to probe in the same spot or to vary each delivery without losing line and length. In general bowlers have been moving their lengths further up to the batsman in most forms of international cricket. Its a theme with England that they seem to bowl shorter than most other teams.
Bowling coach has be be held accountable if he's unable to get his bowlers bowling fuller or if he wants them pounding it in short all the time.
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When will England finally pull the plug on a dud like Ravi Bopara? Overrated beyond belief. After 100+ ODIs his only 100 is against Ireland.
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he's one of our best players Gerry,we need him in as the all rounder
and don't throw too many stones I've seen many a test match when you played that Paul Harris bloke. Left arm over toilet. :)
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he's one of our best players Gerry,we need him in as the all rounder
and don't throw too many stones I've seen many a test match when you played that Paul Harris bloke. Left arm over toilet. :)
Paul Harris was given a role, which he did pretty well.
Bopara an all rounder? More like bits and pieces. Pick a proper batsman(Ballance seems to be flavour of the month these days)
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totally agree! Bopara is not a match winner..
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Yeah Ravi needs to realise the game situation more and look to adapt,
Watching the South Africa game Millar knows when to push and when to knock it around great knock
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Paul Harris was given a role, which he did pretty well.
Bopara an all rounder? More like bits and pieces. Pick a proper batsman(Ballance seems to be flavour of the month these days)
Fine,but that's one less bowling option, we already can't defend 300,ramp it up to 350 plus each game with the bowlers we have that's a big ask from the batsmen even with bigger bats these days! :)
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Fine,but that's one less bowling option, we already can't defend 300,ramp it up to 350 plus each game with the bowlers we have that's a big ask from the batsmen even with bigger bats these days! :)
TBH if England can score 300+ then it takes pressure of their bowlers.
Look at India, a kingpin ODI side, bowling is crap but when their batsmen put up a big score they normally win.
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Watching the Aussie innings
We had no one in the middle overs to take the rate down
Also I watched broad get take apart for bowing length again
Sat watching the game now and yes it's the tail batting but the howling is very very good from the windies
Lots of variation exactly what is needed in the modern one day game not length length length
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Surely there must be some fast South African bowlers England can poach...
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Surely there must be some fast South African bowlers England can poach...
The last one we tried that with was Jade Dernbach, you're welcome to have him back!
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I saw the match till Captain Morgan and Joss Butler were steadying the ship. I haven't seen the highlights but did check the score card. Here are my thoughts:
- Ian Bell's golden duck could've been challenged had there been a DRS. Watching international cricket without DRS feels like eating noodles with your hands.
- Moeen did not face his first ball till 2nd or 3rd over. Moeen played Starc just fine. The six he hit to Starc was a dismissive flick, Starc followed up with a yorker which Moeen blocked followed by a long stare from Starc. He was batting nicely but a clever field change by Bailey caught him by surprise. Not sure why Bell took strike but it took 2-3 overs before Moeen got on strike and once he was there, he played like he plays.
- Morgan and Warner scored centuries, rest of the batters from both sides made small contributions. Clearly bowling was the difference but it could've been negated (espeically Starc's first over). If I take out the first over of the match by Starc, I'd say the match was even. In a way, it is a good thing that these mistakes were made and Australia came out ahead. England can make small adjustments until they get their batting and bowling combination right.
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The last one we tried that with was Jade Dernbach, you're welcome to have him back!
You're too kind, but I think we're happy without him :)
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yeah thanks Gerry
Jade Dirtback. A triumph of modern day self promotion/bluff and bluster over ability...
and don't go there with the tattoos.If youre going to get one at least have something that looks good :)
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Englands bowling is lightweight. Whats Finn there for if he's not hitting 90. No left hander no variety. Id rather see Rashid and Mill's in there.
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^ That is true but that is also true of other teams preparing for the WC.
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^ That is true but that is also true of other teams preparing for the WC.
That's entirely true.
True that Australia have bucket loads of fast bowlers. South Africa have Steyn and Morkel.
But NZ have chosen Milne who's rapid. India have gambled with Varun Aaron, who's also rapid but a tad wild. Pakistan have that giant who bowls 150kph. WI have Taylor, Cottrell etc whom are all 140-148kph.
England seem handicapped by not having any genuine fast bowlers
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^ Pace alone does not make good bowling. Varun Aaron and Yadav had plenty of pace in tests against Australia but they couldn't take 20 wickets.
Moeen got out to Faulker at 130.8 kmh delivery - caught by Maxwell.
Pace alone is not enough; clever field placement (captaincy) and variety in bowling will determine the winner of this world cup. Except for SA and Australia, I don't see any team that has a small army of bowlers who consistently take wickets or bowl in the right areas.
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^ Pace alone does not make good bowling. Varun Aaron and Yadav had plenty of pace in tests against Australia but they couldn't take 20 wickets.
Moeen got out to Faulker at 130.8 kmh delivery - caught by Maxwell.
Pace alone is not enough; clever field placement (captaincy) and variety in bowling will determine the winner of this world cup. Except for SA and Australia, I don't see any team that has a small army of bowlers who consistently take wickets or bowl in the right areas.
Pace might not get wickets by itself, but name me a batsman that wants to face 150kph bowling?
Had Starc been bowling 130kph, he wouldn't have got either Bell or Taylor out.
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England were hammered. Aus lost a few cheap wickets at the end messing about thta made it appear closer. Pace isn't everything BUT.. you get away with a lot more at 150kph than at 135kph.
Team Ethic are just not good enough, simple as that.
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Pace might not get wickets by itself, but name me a batsman that wants to face 150kph bowling?
Had Starc been bowling 130kph, he wouldn't have got either Bell or Taylor out.
That's only for 10 overs and not every delivery is pitched at 150 k. There are other 40 overs to score. Openers are meant to see through those 150 K bowlers.
Bell's decision was questionable. Taylor's was a clean decision.
Moeen was hitting Starc around. Faulkner got Moeen out at 130.8 k delivery and it was a mistimed shot. Virat Kohli was pulling M Johnson for boundaries in the third test.
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England were hammered. Aus lost a few cheap wickets at the end messing about thta made it appear closer. Pace isn't everything BUT.. you get away with a lot more at 150kph than at 135kph.
Team Ethic are just not good enough, simple as that.
I think it was a WC semi-final where Tendulkar and Sehwag took Shoaib Akhtar to the cleaners. Shoaib not only had pace but bad attitude to boot.
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Fastest ball recorded in cricket was shaob akhtar to nick knight. 101mph.
It was badly directed and knight merely flicked it off his hip. No drama.
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That's only for 10 overs and not every delivery is pitched at 150 k. There are other 40 overs to score. Openers are meant to see through those 150 K bowlers.
Bell's decision was questionable. Taylor's was a clean decision.
Moeen was hitting Starc around. Faulkner got Moeen out at 130.8 k delivery and it was a mistimed shot. Virat Kohli was pulling M Johnson for boundaries in the third test.
Moeen is a wild slogger. Faulkner out thought him.
Kohli scored 600 odd runs in the Test series, I'd guess he was seeing it pretty well. And secondly swinging ball at 150kph is harder than facing short bowling on dead pitches.
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Sorry but I disagree with those attempting to use stats to claim Bopara is useless in the side. In the last year or 2 he's been dumped down the order at mostly 7, somewhere completely unnatural to him and his typical playing style, yet has been told to play the finishing role/slog a few in the last few innings. Clearly this is never going to represent well on stats. His bowling can also be very useful at times dependent on the pitch with his variations making him very economical.
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Sorry but I disagree with those attempting to use stats to claim Bopara is useless in the side. In the last year or 2 he's been dumped down the order at mostly 7, somewhere completely unnatural to him and his typical playing style, yet has been told to play the finishing role/slog a few in the last few innings. Clearly this is never going to represent well on stats. His bowling can also be very useful at times dependent on the pitch with his variations making him very economical.
There's a reason for that. Bopara wasted numerous chances up the order.
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I can not be bothered to find out examples because.. well, I just can't be bothered...but I'm sure there are many examples of 150kph bowlers tearing apart batsmen.
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^ Holding, Marshall, Waqar, Wasim, Akhtar et-al...they were a class apart and they are not bowling in WC 2015. They did not have sheer pace...they had swing and guile.
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I think it prooves that Starc and Johnson offer something a little different, and we have a very, very samey attack.
I may enjoy some of our batting this World Cup, but it's going to be a bit ouchy watcher the bowlers.
Why is Anderson there if he's not fully fit?
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Moeen is a wild slogger. Faulkner out thought him.
Kohli scored 600 odd runs in the Test series, I'd guess he was seeing it pretty well. And secondly swinging ball at 150kph is harder than facing short bowling on dead pitches.
I am sure it is but how many bowlers in the WC 2015 can do that? And, that was my original point. The rest will have to find ways of taking wickets which includes filed placement, out thinking batsmen etc etc etc.
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I suppose one wonders how many of the English bowlers are 'thinking bowlers'
Tredwell?
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How is Finn still getting a central contract? Back when he was bowling 140-150kph the combination of the bounce and small amount of movement made him very effective, now he's bowling in the mid 130's and at that pace batsmen are able to cope easily against the gentle movement he creates.
At international level you either need someone who can ramp it up, or someone who can get the ball to really talk. Finn is doing neither right now and poses no real threat with either the new nor the old ball.
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How is Finn still getting a central contract? Back when he was bowling 140-150kph the combination of the bounce and small amount of movement made him very effective, now he's bowling in the mid 130's and at that pace batsmen are able to cope easily against the gentle movement he creates.
At international level you either need someone who can ramp it up, or someone who can get the ball to really talk. Finn is doing neither right now and poses no real threat with either the new nor the old ball.
Tell me about, back a few years ago he was the only English bowler worth watching. 150kph bounce, menace. Wicket taker. Thanks to the ECB he looks like he's bowling with a shuttlecock these days... >:(
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India in all sorts of trouble. What was Kohli thinking with that shot.
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Aussies turning up their bullying tactics yet again. The number of times this team has gone away with such behaviour is amazing.
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Australia have always been like that which is prob why 2005 will always be so special
We gave it back starting with the one day series
Rohit and raina have batted really well here.
Warner has nothing to complain about in the incident,fine he threw at rohits end,it missed rohit and they took an overthrow-i can't see what india did wrong....
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It was obvious that he was just trying to rattle the batsman. Did you see Raina giving him bit of shoulder, it looked like Raina was just trying to calm things but I think he cheekily nudged Warner.
This is probably the first Indian side who are not afraid to give it back.
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Why can't Mitchell Starc bowl like this in Test cricket...
Absolutely masterful with the White ball. Not so much with the red one.
He's already taken 4 5WHs in ODIs.
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Why can't Mitchell Starc bowl like this in Test cricket...
Absolutely masterful with the White ball. Not so much with the red one.
He's already taken 4 5WHs in ODIs.
I'm sure the old starc will be back at some point this series. The one dishing out full tosses and getting smacked.
India will be disappointed with the score when rohit and raina were in. Probably 25-35 short
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Finch seems to have been worked out, been really lucky today.
Struggled in the BBL too.
Aussies getting chocked by spin here
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Who was checking out Finch's bat when Smith walked in?
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Who was checking out Finch's bat when Smith walked in?
Sharma
On another note, they have strangled Finch's scoring areas but it's nice to see him apply himself rather than just swing when under the pump. Would like to see him go on after getting this 50 now
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Finch seems to have been worked out, been really lucky today.
Struggled in the BBL too.
Aussies getting chocked by spin here
Finch's main issue is he's pretty limited on the leg side. He's decent when pulling/hooking but off the front foot he struggles to rotate the strike.
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Who was checking out Finch's bat when Smith walked in?
Nice to see the pros are as big a bat badgers as the forumites!
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Pretty easy chase.
More runs for smith. If Clarke is fit, wonder who they'll drop since maxwell is the spinner. Bailey might get the chop
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Australia have the best attack in this tri-series. They should win easily.
Neither India or England have the capacity to restrict the Australian batsmen.
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Aussies lose another, small chance of a twist in this. But plenty of batting to come.
Don't think finch deserved a 100.
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You seem to have a chip in your shoulder r.e finch.
He did what the game needed.
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Bailey gone too now. Australia's game to lose.
Finch is a flat track bully who was lucky today
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Pretty dumb innings from maxwell when you need less than a run a ball.
Time for the commentators to talk about how many games Faulkner has finished for Australia.
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Australia's misfiring lower middle order must be a concern.
Bailey's been out of form for a while now. Maxwell is well Maxwell. Haddin can be hit and miss.
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Australia are pretty clueless against spin. Patel looks a pretty decent prospect mind you.
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Was it national JugAvoidance day in Australia today?
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As usual Faulkner hits the winning runs
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Bailey gone too now. Australia's game to lose.
Finch is a flat track bully who was lucky today
Quality player is Finch and as i have already said one of the good guys of pro cricket!!!
Also averaging 40 in all forms of limited overs cricket is not bad at all ....
Good entertainer
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Anderson apparently back in for Finn tonight. Anyone else thinking they'd prefer to see Tredwell instead of Jordan as well?
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Yup, if only to see if a top class batting line up give him the kind of tap the management obviously expect him to receive.
Perfect format to give him a run out against the someone decent in a meaningless match before the World Cup - at least they would know.
Narrow-minded Engerland!!
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Shocking collapse for India. I am surprised Dhawan has managed to maintain an average of 44, I can't remember the last time he stayed around for longer than a few overs.
Opportunity for Binny here.
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India much changed and seem to struggle with the short stuff.
5 wickets for Finn
4 for Anderson who's on a hat trick next game
5 for buttler behind the stumps.
2 good catches to finish.
There strange 26 mins before tea going well. 25 runs up and not even 3 overs gone yet.
Bonus points for England?
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And as I say that ali toes one straight up.
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Great to see Finn back. Should be a easy chase. Hopefully they knock it off in 25 overs and set a mark
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didn't see our innings but we are well on course now, I actually thought we were going to get thrashed today
shows what happens when you pick 11 one day suited players, Cook is a legend but without dropping him ali,taylor etc would not get a chance
Hales has been unluky not to get picked when he was bang in form but the current line up looks better.
I would have Tredwell in for Jordan every time thou :)
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Hopefully Finn will gain some confidence and get back to his old pace, there were some shocking shots from India though.
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Good god India were poor. Gifted england wickets. Someone must have a bet on or something :)
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Looks like India thought England would be a push over, turns out they are taking a hammering :)
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Ouch!! I stopped watching when we were 2 down for 50 something in 14 overs, I nice kick in the backside to remind us that no matter what your ranking is and who ever you are playing against you can't take it easy.
Dhawan needs to be dropped till he can find some form, I think India will miss Vijay in this series and WC
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Why was rohit dropped??
I also see warner rested for next game. Coincidence after there spat.
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Some sort of a strain...
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Good that England have had a victory against a half-decent team, albeit one that may have played badly. It will be a better yardstick once we have had this full tournament to see whether these games have been one-offs or the expected performance level. I think England have shown enough in these two matches so far to be raised from "a poor team" to "an average team" in regards to ODI's.
I don't know why Tredwell is there, to be honest. I don't think he will be able to contain a decent batting team, no more than Moeen can do. I would like to have seen something different than only off-spinners in the squad.
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Ouch!! I stopped watching when we were 2 down for 50 something in 14 overs, I nice kick in the backside to remind us that no matter what your ranking is and who ever you are playing against you can't take it easy.
Dhawan needs to be dropped till he can find some form, I think India will miss Vijay in this series and WC
Any chance they can bring M Vijay back for WC ?
Hope this is a wake up call for team India. Rayadu was not comfortable at all at the crease and was trying to hit very single ball. Lack of a proper spinner is also killing . What happened to Parvez Rasool - our only promising spinner candidate.
I do feel that all these test and ODI right before WC are going to burn out a few players, specially the bowlers.
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India gifting wickets to the Clubman. Smart move, after last years tour of Australia Anderson was a laughing stock. Come Friday he'll be humiliated again
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You want some ketchup to go with that chip on your shoulder Gerry??
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India gifting wickets to the Clubman. Smart move, after last years tour of Australia Anderson was a laughing stock. Come Friday he'll be humiliated again
Wish i earned his money he highest paid clubman i know :D
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You want some ketchup to go with that chip on your shoulder Gerry??
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kt0GUt5RTsQ (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kt0GUt5RTsQ)
Just for you.
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Ones a clubbie who doesn't get a test gig any more
The other is a clubbie who will end up England's leading ever test wicket taker and who averages below the world class threshold of 30
Nice hitting by Bailey though, I enjoyed that analysis ;)
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Ones a clubbie who doesn't get a test gig any more
The other is a clubbie who will end up England's leading ever test wicket taker and who averages below the world class threshold of 30
Nice hitting by Bailey though, I enjoyed that ;)
Being England's leading wicket taker...all a bit meek compared to all the other countries leading wicket takers... As for average under 30, Warner and co will sort that out in the Ashes
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Where abouts in South Africa do you currently live again Gerry?
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Gerry Gerry gerry..I wonder if you type out your posts with a straight face or a little chuckle to yourself
Anderson is the best bowler we(england) have had for years,when it swings he is superb,when it's flat yeah he can look ordinary
But even the best bowlers on good tracks can be cannon fodder to top class batsmen
Remember Styen who you rate so high giving up at headingly when he got marmalized against England?
:)
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I think Gerry types most of his posts with a little chuckle to himself.
He fails to recognise that in the absence of a Steyn, we Brits like to cling on to the thought that Anderson is 'our' great.
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Where abouts in South Africa do you currently live again Gerry?
Don't worry my permits are all above board, you ain't getting rid of me just yet...
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I like the idea of sub 30 being the sign of a world class bowler! In which case in test cricket England currently have 3 seamers and a spinner all in the WC category! How could we have possibly lost the last Ashes and drew with Sri Lanka at home?! (Anderson, Broad, Finn, Swann then Ali)
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I thought sub 20 was world class ? Like now batting is 55+ avg
30 makes Flintoff nearly world class.. Now, on his day he was...overall, probably not
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If sub 20 was World Class then there's not many bowlers in recent history who fit that criteria!
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If sub 20 was World Class then there's not many bowlers in recent history who fit that criteria!
Given a minimum of 1000 balls, 5 guys ever in ODIs. Sub 30 probably a reasonable yardstick for bowling average. For me world class means a player of good international quality, not a legend of the game.
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World class is at the time world class maybe a period of a few months but to say Anderson is not up there overall with the best in the world (yardstick) currently is (No Swearing Please).
World class Yes
Legend of the Game No
Edgr has it spot on do not get confused by world class and legend
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World class is at the time world class maybe a period of a few months but to say Anderson is not up there overall with the best in the world (yardstick) currently is (No Swearing Please).
World class Yes
Legend of the Game No
Edgr has it spot on do not get confused by world class and legend
Being one dimensional and only having the ability to look 'world class' on raging green tops doesn't make anyone world class.
Anderson has never been world class apart from in the eyes of deluded English media and fans.
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I'm sure it was Anderson I was watching the other morning bowling a superb spell on a dry, flat, grassless wicket... Was it not him?
You must be loving all this debate Gerry...
(http://www.all-sport-t-shirts.com/all_sport/If%20I%27m%20Fishing%202...jpg)
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I'm sure it was Anderson I was watching the other morning bowling a superb spell on a dry, flat, grassless wicket... Was it not him?
You must be loving all this debate Gerry...
([url]http://www.all-sport-t-shirts.com/all_sport/If%20I%27m%20Fishing%202...jpg[/url])
So because it happens so rarely you can remember it vividly? Hardly world class. Average try hard clubbie.
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I was just stating some numbers for debate. My opinion for what it's worth is world class is over used in sports in the modern era.. You hear it all the time ' oh player x is world class', when in fact, they aren't, it's just a good bit of form.
Now, what figure you out on it is something personal I believe. Just because you believe player x is world class does t make him wc. Just because PR says he is isn't either. I personally think modern batting means you need massive avg to be wc, but hat would count out a lot of past players.. So it's subjectove to the era as well...
Is Warner world class?? Is he really in the class of ponting? Bradman.. Or is he a product of flat wickets, poor bowling and small outfields? All subjective. Do I think Anderson is world class.. No. However, he has days when he is. Overall I don't think he's a patch on mcgraths, Warner, curtly etc oh and Gerry, Steyn isn't looking to good currently.. Getting a bit slow in his old age.
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So because it happens so rarely you can remember it vividly? Hardly world class. Average try hard clubbie.
Can't even remember Steyn doing that good figures wise in any ODI match in Australia in my distant (as opposed to recent) memory so I guess at least Anderson's actually done it.
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Steyn could bowl off breaks and still be better than Anderson.
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Can't even remember Steyn doing that good in any ODI match in Australia in my distant (as opposed to recent) memory so I guess at least Anderson's actually done it I guess.
You mean anderson bullied india, whom I might remind you haven't won a game on tour.
Anderson will get his handed to him on Friday.
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The same India who have won a higher proportion of their ODI matches than South Africa in the last 3 years as well as being current holders of both ODI trophies.... and it's not like that came about by their stunning bowling lineup.
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Steyn could bowl off breaks and still be better than Anderson.
Spin.. Umm you have tahir.. I think billy root is better than him
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The same India who have won a higher proportion of their ODI matches than South Africa in the last 3 years as well as being current holders of both ODI trophies.... and it's not like that came about by their stunning bowling lineup.
Call it what you like.
Anderson is a stiff who goes missing whenever the pressure is on.
Greentop king has had one half decent effort and its like he's a world beater.
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Spin.. Umm you have tahir.. I think billy root is better than him
Imran Tahir 50+ ODI poles at 20. #YoureWelcome
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I was just stating some numbers for debate. My opinion for what it's worth is world class is over used in sports in the modern era.. You hear it all the time ' oh player x is world class', when in fact, they aren't, it's just a good bit of form.
Now, what figure you out on it is something personal I believe. Just because you believe player x is world class does t make him wc. Just because PR says he is isn't either. I personally think modern batting means you need massive avg to be wc, but hat would count out a lot of past players.. So it's subjectove to the era as well...
Is Warner world class?? Is he really in the class of ponting? Bradman.. Or is he a product of flat wickets, poor bowling and small outfields? All subjective. Do I think Anderson is world class.. No. However, he has days when he is. Overall I don't think he's a patch on mcgraths, Warner, curtly etc oh and Gerry, Steyn isn't looking to good currently.. Getting a bit slow in his old age.
This is exactly what I mean, a lot of people misunderstand what the phrase means. 'World class' is a CURRENT term. Saying someone is world class doesn't mean you're saying they're as good as Bradman/Ponting or Warne/McGrath/Akram, it means they are among the best in the world currently. It's clearly possible to be among the best in the world at something without being the best ever. Think on the meaning of the word class.
Gerry, at this rate you're going to need a bigger boat.
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Call it what you like.
Anderson is a stiff who goes missing whenever the pressure is on.
Greentop king has had one half decent effort and its like he's a world beater.
Yes world beater what his ranking
as i have said earns alot for being a clubbie mate i suspect you do not play pal because he is some clubbie :D
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Hell lets hope your chokers dont choke again Gerry at the world cup
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Anderson would not have taken 380 tests wickets if he wasn't up there with worlds best.
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Anderson would not have taken 380 tests wickets if he was up there with worlds best.
Common logic shows that england play more Tests per year than any other country.
Had Steyn played the same number he'd be up near 400 poles. And johnson would be up near 450 poles.
Anderson is all quantity. Not quality. And of course raging green tops.
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And I presume Steyn and Johnson are both bouncy track bullies judging by the fact neither of them have ever really had stunners (or matched Anderson for that matter) in test cricket in England and generally perform better in home conditions ???.
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And I presume Steyn and Johnson are both bouncy track bullies judging by the fact neither of them have ever really had stunners (or matched Anderson for that matter) in test cricket in England and generally perform better in home conditions ???.
Again you're wrong.
For the sake of fair comparison its anderson vs sa in eng and steyn vs eng in eng.
Anderson has 39 wickets @ 37.76.
Steyn has 23 wickets @ 31.65.
So clearly not as great as his career average, Steyn still owns Anderson in his own backyard.
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Again you're wrong.
For the sake of fair comparison its anderson vs sa in eng and steyn vs eng in eng.
Anderson has 39 wickets @ 37.76.
Steyn has 23 wickets @ 31.65.
So clearly not as great as his career average, Steyn still owns Anderson in his own backyard.
How does that make it any fairer a comparison than mine? Comparing Anderson's stats v what is probably the best batting lineup in the world to Steyns stats v what I'm sure you would claim is/was a poor batting attack?
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Interesting mind games before tomorrow's game by the Aussies:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/carlton-mid-triangular-series-2015/content/story/822983.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/carlton-mid-triangular-series-2015/content/story/822983.html)
;)
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Interesting mind games before tomorrow's game by the Aussies:
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/carlton-mid-triangular-series-2015/content/story/822983.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/carlton-mid-triangular-series-2015/content/story/822983.html[/url])
;)
I'm really hoping for something along the lines of:
"Eoin - how do you respond to the allegations of an embarrassing information about a relationship with an Australian woman five years ago"
"Yeah, I met her in a club, went back to hers and f*cked her right in the pussy, it was a good evening and I was safe and used protection, a fake mobile number"
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Not quite worthy of a new thread so thought I'd just add it in here, Cooks just been named in the squad for the Abu Dhabi season opener v Yorkshire, but Compton has been announced as captain and Carberrys in there as well, can see there being some interesting conversations there :D.
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Not quite worthy of a new thread so thought I'd just add it in here, Cooks just been named in the squad for the Abu Dhabi season opener v Yorkshire, but Compton has been announced as captain and Carberrys in there as well, can see there being some interesting conversations there :D.
So, in their last 12 months of their eng careers... Who avg'd what?
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Not quite worthy of a new thread so thought I'd just add it in here, Cooks just been named in the squad for the Abu Dhabi season opener v Yorkshire, but Compton has been announced as captain and Carberrys in there as well, can see there being some interesting conversations there :D.
Especially with Lees and Lyth in the oppostion?
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And the answer is :D :
Compton 31.93
Cook - 30.95
Carberry 28.10
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And the answer is :D :
Compton 31.93
Cook - 30.95
Carberry 28.10
Carbs that low? Bugger :)
Oh well, that's the order
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How does that make it any fairer a comparison than mine? Comparing Anderson's stats v what is probably the best batting lineup in the world to Steyns stats v what I'm sure you would claim is/was a poor batting attack?
And how would comparing Anderson's 60 odd Tests in England against all opposition vs Steyn's 8/10 Tests only against England give the true picture?
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Had Steyn played the same number he'd be up near 400 poles. And johnson would be up near 450 poles.
Bit of a non argument that, given as Steyn already has all but 400 in a chunk fewer.
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Bit of a non argument that, given as Steyn already has all but 400 in a chunk fewer.
My mistake it was supposed to say Steyn would have 500 poles
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Slight tangent, will Jonathan Trott be Cook's opening partner in the West Indies? He's had a pretty useful tour of SA with the England 'A' team. Whereas Sam Robson looked out of his depth...again.
Also would like to thank the English(yeah I know can't believe it) your 'A' team has helped us unearth yet another fabulous young talent Theunis de Bruyn really feasted on the attacks England provided.
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Also would like to thank the English(yeah I know can't believe it) your 'A' team has helped us unearth yet another fabulous young talent Theunis de Bruyn really feasted on the attacks England provided.
If the bowling was really so poor, then he hasn't proven anything.
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Glad to see Vince has finally shown what he does at county level for the lions. Interesting to see he's now been given the captaincy for the ODI's.
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Glad to see Vince has finally shown what he does at county level for the lions. Interesting to see he's now been given the captaincy for the ODI's.
Agreed. Most attractive player on the county circuit, IMHO. Seen him get caught at deep mid-wicket a few times, though.
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Glad to see Vince has finally shown what he does at county level for the lions. Interesting to see he's now been given the captaincy for the ODI's.
He's T20 captain for Hampshire so not inexperienced, good shout I'd say (but then I'm slightly bias)
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He's T20 captain for Hampshire so not inexperienced, good shout I'd say (but then I'm slightly bias)
Same here mate, but I still didn't expect them to actually pick someone with captaining experience, I mean... Don't you think that's a bit TOO logical :D? I didn't really expect it with all the internationally capped players in the squad.
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Bell is so good to watch when he bats like this. Effortless batting. Sigh that he's only scored 3 100s before today.
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Bell is so good to watch when he bats like this. Effortless batting. Sigh that he's only scored 3 100s before today.
A beautiful batsman, even on the radio.
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England making a hash of this at end.
Had root and bell stayed knocking 1s and 2s that have got more than buttler and bopara are with dot after dot.
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Ravi Bopara...waste of space.
Nick Knight bigging up Ian Bell after scoring a 100 on a flat dead pitch...
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Flattest pitch in Australia with short quick boundaries. 300 just seems par to me. Seen plenty of scores chased here. But a good knock by bell.
If someone scores 140 odd, really should expect to score 350. Just 50 runs off the last 10 overs. It seems pretty hard to score at the death from what's happened in the last few games.
Cummings has been pretty disappointing, sandhu's done pretty well.
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England is 30 runs short I say. What happened to Butler.
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England back in this with 3 quick wickets.
Finch and marsh fail to go on after getting in on a flat track against the clubbies!!
Into the bowlers now.
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A second rate Aus side, flat deck.. Hardly anything to take anything from.
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Ravi Bopara...waste of space.
Nick Knight bigging up Ian Bell after scoring a 100 on a flat dead pitch...
Ha ha, something you and Ravi have in common then Gerry ;)
In all seriousness, please stop the incessant trolling = IT'S REALLY BORING!
Some of Bell's shots show that like AB Devilliers, Amla, Williamson etc there is a place for finesse in ODI cricket, it's not all about bludgeoning the ball over the rope. Much nicer to watch too imho :)
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Aus tail starts at 5 Ffs
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Reckon White takes the pick for the biggest clubbie on show today. Really isn't a international quality player. Aussies should have given someone like Lynn a go.
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Ravi Bopara...waste of space.
Nick Knight bigging up Ian Bell after scoring a 100 on a flat dead pitch...
If only Alex Hales had been playing...
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You know it's a flat deck when haddin's getting runs. Just needed a decent spinner against him.
Another decent knock by smith.
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Australia to canter home with 4 balls remaining.
Shocking really from England once again.
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England lost this in the last ten of there innings.
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Absolute cakewalk here, good signs we can routinely beat England no matter what side we select.
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I'm optimistic I really am there a feeling England could be a dark horse.
Think we will be ok
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Shocking really from England once again.
There has been a marked improvement, in my opinion. I am optimistic.
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You know it's a flat deck when haddin's getting runs. Just needed a decent spinner against him.
Another decent knock by smith.
Bit puzzled by this comment? Since when does Haddin need a flat track to score runs? Did you not see him nearly win the Ashes matches for Aus in England on various occasions?
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Bit puzzled by this comment? Since when does Haddin need a flat track to score runs? Did you not see him nearly win the Ashes matches for Aus in England on various occasions?
How's his record in the subcontinent or against decent spin. Pretty poor, can't buy a run. He's lucky to be in the team
Can't judge everything on how a player goes in the ashes.
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Amusingly the commentators mentioned how south africa choked in a similar position lol.
Also dispite us being dire at odis and bell only having got 3 tons.
Bell (149games) beat to 5,000 ODI runs:
Inzamam 150,
Gilchrist 153,
Sangakkara 162,
Sehwag 166,
Younis 169,
Jayawardene 182.
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Good old clubbie exposed yet again on Australian shores. He's now taken 14 wicket vs Aus in AUS @ 40. One dimensional. Nothing more.
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Good old clubbie exposed yet again on Australian shores. He's now taken 14 wicket vs Aus in AUS @ 40. One dimensional. Nothing more.
Broads not much better in fairness. Boh a little over rated. Not quite clubbie though. Think I'd put slogger finch in the clubbie cat before them
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One dimensional. Nothing more.
A bit like your posts then? ;)
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Broads not much better in fairness. Boh a little over rated. Not quite clubbie though. Think I'd put slogger finch in the clubbie cat before them
Haha Finch averaging 40 in all forms of one day cricket not a bad un :D
Simple he is paid to score and score quite quickly and lets be honest he does most of the times.
Good player i enjoy watching :D
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Some interesting stats regarding Bell since the new regulations came in in 2012 :
(http://i.gyazo.com/cbf68c14be3e3bab17e27cf57a3e1fd4.png)
Bell in 13th place having also played the least amount of games out of any of those in that group. If we took into account Gerrys scaling factor of increasing the amount of wickets/runs in this case dependant on the amount of matches played I believe he would be in 4th after Dhawan, Amla and De Villiers at first glance, with Sangakarra possibly hanging around him.
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Some interesting stats regarding Bell since the new regulations came in in 2012 :
([url]http://i.gyazo.com/cbf68c14be3e3bab17e27cf57a3e1fd4.png[/url])
Bell in 13th place having also played the least amount of games out of any of those in that group. If we took into account Gerrys scaling factor of increasing the amount of wickets/runs in this case dependant on the amount of matches played I believe he would be in 4th after Dhawan, Amla and De Villiers at first glance, with Sangakarra possibly hanging around him.
Using that calculation, Bell would be 7th at best. AB, Kohli, Amla, Sangakkara, Dilshan and Dhawan average more, so by law of averages they'd have more runs than Bell.
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That table does illustrate that de villiers is an absolute freak...
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Agreed those AB stats are on another level. Just another example of the lack of runs in the England top order
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That table does illustrate that de villiers is an absolute freak...
Yeah not bad is old AB :D
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Surprising Bailey is the only Aussie up there given their success in ODI's since 2012.
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Surprising Bailey is the only Aussie up there given their success in ODI's since 2012.
Pretty sure Warner, Clarke and Watson have missed more than they've actually played since 2012. And Smith only recently got back into the side.
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Incidentally Steven Smith became the first player in history to score a Test hundred and ODI hundred on debut as captain. #CanPlay
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Incidentally Steven Smith became the first player in history to score a Test hundred and ODI hundred on debut as captain. #CanPlay
Has his form coincided with aus having flat wickets and flatties in your great SA??
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Has his form coincided with aus having flat wickets and flatties in your great SA??
All 3 Tests in South Africa-Australia series finished in a victory(1-2 Aus favour) so hardly 'flat pitches'.
And is Smith a FTB? Nope.
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All 3 Tests in South Africa-Australia series finished in a victory(1-2 Aus favour) so hardly 'flat pitches'.
And is Smith a FTB? Nope.
A result doesn't mean it's not flat
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A result doesn't mean it's not flat
I'm pretty sure Johnson, Harris and Steyn all took 5WHs in the series, so the wickets clearly had something in them...
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I'm pretty sure Johnson, Harris and Steyn all took 5WHs in the series, so the wickets clearly had something in them...
Again, taking a few wickets doesn't mean it's not flat.. Could be miss hits... Plain old miss the ball... Anything ..
I think it was on cricinfo that said his form coincided with flat tracks.. They must have done a bit of research on it.
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Again, taking a few wickets doesn't mean it's not flat.. Could be miss hits... Plain old miss the ball... Anything ..
I think it was on cricinfo that said his form coincided with flat tracks.. They must have done a bit of research on it.
Well I tend to disagree, I can see the changes he has made and why he's now a vastly improved player. He might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he's a superb player.
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Just watched the eng innings from today.. Haddin being as abusive as always to buttler when run out.. Seriously, is there any need for it?!?
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To be fair I think the pitches did look a bit less hostile than those we've seen in Australia in the past. However it stills requires skill to pump out the runs like that.
He's also improved drastically since he first started, and I've got to admit I was the first to think he'd be an absolute failure when he first broke in.
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To be fair I think the pitches did look a bit less hostile than those we've seen in Australia in the past. However it stills requires skill to pump out the runs like that.
He's also improved drastically since he first started, and I've got to admit I was the first to think he'd be an absolute failure when he first broke in.
Hell yeah, since coming back he's a different player.. 9 100's, 9 50's in 35 innings...
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Australia Day match ruined by rain. India where 2/69 when the rain started. Match was later abandoned. 2 points each.
Winner takes all encounter between Ind-Eng at the WACA later during the week.
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Australia Day match ruined by rain. India where 2/69 when the rain started. Match was later abandoned. 2 points each.
Winner takes all encounter between Ind-Eng at the WACA later during the week.
Winner of this will be runner up is a better description of the game, I feel.
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Pretty poor wicket for a international game. It was poor in that BBL semi final and it's worse today.
England should still be able to chase 200. Gave them some extra runs at the end
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Hope this pitch isn't a sign of what to expect in the world cup? Too much bbl cricket? hope they are saving the bettertracks for the tournament
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see the ball from Jimmy that hit dhoni on the lid, same length ball a couple later hit him on the shins....
we would be complaining a club level let alone an international game
200 looks a good score on this wicket :)
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see the ball from Jimmy that hit dhoni on the lid, same length ball a couple later hit him on the shins....
we would be complaining a club level let alone an international game
200 looks a good score on this wicket :)
The final is on the same strip too. Wouldn't want to face Johnson and starc on here.
James Taylor has looked all at sea so far this series.
A stupid shot from Ali first ball against spin
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Doesn't look an easy pitch to bat on.
Ali could still have a look though.
During the bbl every captain and batsmen interviewed seemed to say "pitch is a bit too paced"
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Good old England always worth laugh. Crumbling against a pub team attack.
James Taylor playing ashameful innings.
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England back to batting like startled rabbits in headlights.
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Axel Patel getting shoulder height bounce. Unreal
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Morgan gone.
India into England's sloggers now.
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Not seen any of it yet... Haha.. I assume england a re back to normal then
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India's game now.
Going to struggle to chase 5-6rpo on this deck.
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Pitch is definitely playing its part but England back to scratching around almost waiting to get out...
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This is the biggest test of Taylor yet. Has he got the ticker and ability to see us home??
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AS we've known for a while Ravi doesn't!!!
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It'd be nice if this wasn't so predictable.
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Pretty embarrassing that binny is running through england
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Big test for buttler as well here gonna have to play a different sort of innings. Although a counter attack might shift the momentum
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Really good tactic from England's batsmen. Why play in the final on a shocking wicket and risk injuries ahead of the World Cup ;)
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Really good tactic from England's batsmen. Why play in the final on a shocking wicket and risk injuries ahead of the World Cup ;)
I was thinking the same when India were batting. Morgan seems to have taken a leaf or two out of Dhoni's book.
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England back on course
interesting critsism of Taylor on this forum
he's still there after we have lost 5 wickets.... sometimes it's not all about hitting 6's and getting out next ball
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England back on course
interesting critsism of Taylor on this forum
he's still there after we have lost 5 wickets.... sometimes it's not all about hitting 6's and getting out next ball
Could not agree more :) playing a very good innings.
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Think it's more buttler's innings that has provided the momentum to the innings and not allowed the rate to climb
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yes true but this partnership is excellent whatever happens
you are not going to win the game 7 or 8 down for 100
both have been superb, Buttler yes playts no fear cricket and it's good to see
taylor has been one of Englands best one day players for a while-and he's proving it
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Great partnership just what was needed. As good as I've seen buttler in an England shirt :) you also have to ask why it took so long for Taylor to get his odi chance
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we(England) have to pick the best one day players in the Country first Biffa.....
massive fan of Alistair Cook but he was a square peg in a round hole and done NO favours by our selectors
once AC was out of the side we could pick another more natural batsman.
AC was blocking a spot in the team....but im backing him to come back in the tests-he's been a long time out of form
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Just shows what happens when you give someone in form the proper backing (ie full series of games rather than one offs)!! Lets see how the ECB now deal with Vince, Roy and Lees who all deserve chances.
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James Taylor playing ashameful innings.
I'd happily
Play a shameful match winning innings every week.
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liking that Kulli :)
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Great come back from Taylor and Buttler, match winning innings by these two. Just a shame they were put in that position.
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How bad have India been in these two games. Minus rahane. Has anyone else even bothered to turn up??
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That's why buttler should bat higher up. His natural scoring rate is a run a ball, with plenty to spare for acceleration when needed.
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Id use Buttler as a floating batsman. When there are 20overs left he needs to be next in to have time to score big (and naturally quickly).
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Or drop Ravi on form (who didn't even warrant his place as bowler today) and shift him up one
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Watching it now, pitch is a bit.. Umm, dodgy
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Wow, India did not even show up. Are they keeping the powder dry for the WC? Too much cricket? By the same token, are Aussies peaking too soon? Saffers are playing like demons and reportedly WC is a long tourney.
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I don't think the Aussies have peaked yet. I think they have another gear or two if they really needed it.
England have taken a big step forward, showing the ability to score 300 and to dig deep with a match winning partnership when required. They are certainly better than they used to be.
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I wonder how Mitchell Johnson will bowl tomorrow. He's not played since the S.C.G. Test snd it's no secret Mitch takes time to get back into the groove.
That said he loves the WACA(albeit his ODI record there isn't that great) and the Poms are scared of him. Would be nice to see some 150kph stuff after the dead pitches in the Tests stifled him somewhat.
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I wonder how Mitchell Johnson will bowl tomorrow. He's not played since the S.C.G. Test snd it's no secret Mitch takes time to get back into the groove.
That said he loves the WACA(albeit his ODI record there isn't that great) and the Poms are scared of him. Would be nice to see some 150kph stuff after the dead pitches in the Tests stifled him somewhat.
On the one hand he's probably going to get a quick deck and ought to take some wickets, on the other hand he might be a bit rusty. Would Australia use this match as his first game back and not back the guys who have done the job so far? Time isn't on his side, 33 now, how long can he keep bowling 150kph is an interesting question. Most of the current ODI team haven't faced him very often - only Bell, Anderson, Broad really - maybe Morgan and Bop in ODI.
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On the one hand he's probably going to get a quick deck and ought to take some wickets, on the other hand he might be a bit rusty. Would Australia use this match as his first game back and not back the guys who have done the job so far? Time isn't on his side, 33 now, how long can he keep bowling 150kph is an interesting question. Most of the current ODI team haven't faced him very often - only Bell, Anderson, Broad really - maybe Morgan and Bop in ODI.
Johnson's not really played that much cricket for a 33 year old. Didn't he have multiple back injuries in his early 20s? He's physically very fit, wouldn't be surprised to see him play another 2-3 years pace might dip a bit but I can't see him dropping below mid 140s.
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Johnson's not really played that much cricket for a 33 year old. Didn't he have multiple back injuries in his early 20s? He's physically very fit, wouldn't be surprised to see him play another 2-3 years pace might dip a bit but I can't see him dropping below mid 140s.
Don't forget he was in and out of the team in 2010/11. What with him bowling to the left, and to the right, and his bowling being (No Swearing Please).
Ah memories.
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Finch and Warner gone! Anderson bowling well and looking well. Openin' is tough business.
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SPD Smith is looking good!
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Australia recovered from 4/60 to post 8/278. Glenn Maxwell scored 95(it's the 8/9th time in his state/international/IPL career he's been out in the 90s. He really loves the 90s) Mitchell Marsh 60 and James Faulkner smashed an unbeaten 50 off 25 balls.
Maxwell and Marsh put on 141 to build the platform. Whilst England's decision to feed Faulkner with short, medium paced half trackers, was strange.
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I thought England had it under control but Aussie team has amazing batting depth. I think England can match the Aussie batting if the openers have a good start. A fighting performance by England will do wonders for the team spirit. They got the talent and some confidence will take them places.
Moeen is starting.
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Whilst England's decision to feed Faulkner with short, medium paced half trackers, was strange.
Death bowling left much to be desired. Can't bowl like that to team like Aus (for that matter Saffers or Kiwi - they would go to town).
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1/18. Ian Bell fails once again at the WACA.
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Can't ble bell too much for that
Good ball very good catch
Sometimes you just have to say well bowled and walk off
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2/36. James Taylor out for 4. Sharp take by Maxwell off the bowling of Johnson
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Not too sure that was out personally. From the right camera it looked on the line zoomed in and from the left the camera looked a slightly different angle.
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Seemed like JT was having problem timing the ball. He had one hand off the bat when dismissed.
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Hmm...they want Moeen to hook.
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Ouch!
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Ouch, Morgan too!
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Ah this is the Mitchell Johnson from the 2013/14 Ashes...
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Good leave Morgan!
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Bopara in...Johson will go for...short ball - my predication.
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Johnson adds that extra 5/10% to the already very impressive Australian bowking attack.
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Hattrick time
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Johnson on fire! Tough enough to face him on a good wicket let alone this one
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Ah Ravi is in where safe! FML we will be lucky to get 150
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After watching Taylor play that two-step pull shot, I wonder if Tendulkar had had mastered the back foot punch to negate the rising quick ball and his height disadvantage.
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England still have to survive 6 overs of pain from Johnson
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England are a poor odi side. Always have been. I think a few of us English got excited by doing the double over India in the series.
Death bowling was poor. Deffo cost us game.
Batting well the less said the better.
But all I'm sat here thinking... and I've said it once already. how poor are India currently?? They wasn't even in either game against us.
They need to sort something for the wc
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Maxwell bowls a fuller and wider for an offie.
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England are a poor odi side. Always have been. I think a few of us English got excited by doing the double over India in the series.
Death bowling was poor. Deffo cost us game.
Batting well the less said the better.
But all I'm sat here thinking... and I've said it once already. how poor are India currently?? They wasn't even in either game against us.
They need to sort something for the wc
I think there's a power struggle for India. I think in an ideal world Kohli would be captain in all 3 formats. But Dhoni has powerful backers
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How does that explain a slide in Kohli's form? I think it is just exhaustion from a long and contentious Test series against Aus.
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How does that explain a slide in Kohli's form? I think it is just exhaustion from a long and contentious Test series against Aus.
Kohli's pretty good at sulking
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How does that explain a slide in Kohli's form? I think it is just exhaustion from a long and contentious Test series against Aus.
Didn't do much in england and that was before Australian tour....! Soon be home in India with ipl racking up the runs
Did play well in tests against Australia to be fair to him
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Didn't do much in england and that was before Australian tour....! Soon be home in India with ipl racking up the runs
Did play well in tests against Australia to be fair to him
He made some adjustments to his technique after England which resulted in great scores in the Test series against Aus. Now, he may just be tired.
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Kohli's pretty good at sulking
^ LOL. Seriously Gerry, how do you know that?
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^ LOL. Seriously Gerry, how do you know that?
Just look at his attitude and poor temperament.
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Australia get their bunny Root for 25.
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Did Root just curse lack of DRS?
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Just look at his attitude and poor temperament.
Where?
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Poor decision
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Poor decision
Pitched inline hitting middle? lol
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what a nothing shot from Bopara!
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Don't know how woakes gets runs on county cricket. Seems a number 11 so far in international cricket
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Is there a reason we feel the need to flick the bat after every shot...?
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And it's over!
Is Finn sponsored by slazenger now?
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England are awesome.
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England will be fine in the world cup have faith
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England will be fine in the world cup have faith
Anyone sell bottles of confidence :) hopefully Dave, hopefully
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I think England will be what they really are in the the World Cup - a middling ODI side.
They've stepped up their game recently, and will compete against the minnows, WI and possibly India again, but they are just not up to the standard of the classier sides such as Aus and SA. I think NZ are on the rise too.
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I think England will be what they really are in the the World Cup - a middling ODI side.
They've stepped up their game recently, and will compete against the minnows, WI and possibly India again, but they are just not up to the standard of the classier sides such as Aus and SA. I think NZ are on the rise too.
England will do about what they're expected to - they'll qualify from their group and may well make the semi final (you'd tend to back them against three of the four possible semi final opponents - India, the Windies and Pakistan - due to familiarity with he conditions) but would lose a large percentage of games against the three best sides in the competition - Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.