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Title: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 03:39:18 PM
First match starts at 16:00 GMT. Saffers win toss and bowl.

Can't help but feel the weather will do us over here...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 19, 2016, 04:02:41 PM
Hales with a lot more tape on his shirt than he has on his helmet(which is annoying as sin)
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: dcullen8 on February 19, 2016, 04:03:11 PM
Thats as village as it comes.

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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 04:07:14 PM
He's obviously forgotten his shirt or only has one. Who's number 9? That's the shirt he's borrowed.

Hales is KILLING it.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: dannyhall04 on February 19, 2016, 04:09:37 PM
He's obviously forgotten his shirt or only has one. Who's number 9? That's the shirt he's borrowed.

Hales is KILLING it.

It's 19
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:12:01 PM
He's obviously forgotten his shirt or only has one. Who's number 9? That's the shirt he's borrowed.

Hales is KILLING it.

Playing for your country and only having one shirt, that is village!

9 is Jimmy and I think 19 might be Woakes.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: edge on February 19, 2016, 04:26:41 PM
He'd put in the wash too late and it hadn't dried in time apparently, so borrowed Woakes'. Hard to believe they only take one shirt! Out of the tumble drier now so he's in the right shirt again.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 19, 2016, 04:28:58 PM
Should have stayed in woakes shirt.


Tahir bowled two absolutely dogs in a row and got a dot and a wicket!!

Filth is useful in this format.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:29:27 PM
Good catch Duminy and great takedown by Rabada, that whole passage was a bit village...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 19, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
we need 200

If Jordan is playing 300
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 04:32:50 PM
Didn't realise we could also collapse in T20
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:34:17 PM
I'd paused the TV and missed the wicket  :-[

At least I got a decent picture of Rabada's rugby tackle though...

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/287cc7cb9228d61da254d112a6857cff_zpsapdyuueh.jpg)
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: SirScottiod on February 19, 2016, 04:34:48 PM
Didn't realise we could also collapse in T20

Anything is possible with England!!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:37:05 PM
Oh Benji, what did you do that for  :(
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 19, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Errrr where was you off to then stokes??
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 04:39:16 PM
I hope we can stop saying we 'bat deep'
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 19, 2016, 04:41:42 PM
I hope we can stop saying we 'bat deep'


You want us to pick bowlers who can't bat then?? "We have a long tail" is the opposite
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 19, 2016, 04:44:24 PM
jos butler, or someone who looks like Jos Butler is in, let's have one of your special knocks please otherwise this could be all over

why have we not picked james vince?  bizzare
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:44:41 PM

You want us to pick bowlers who can't bat then?? "We have a long tail" is the opposite

We've picked Jordan, who I suppose you'd describe as a bowler who can't bowl!
It's rather nice that Englan have the luxury of so many all rounders that they can select a specialist fielder I guess
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 04:45:27 PM
jos butler, or someone who looks like Jos Butler is in, let's have one of your special knocks please otherwise this could be all over

why have we not picked james vince?  bizzare

Well, who do you drop exactly? If I were being honest, probably Root, but then again, he's our best batsman...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:48:19 PM
Well, who do you drop exactly? If I were being honest, probably Root, but then again, he's our best batsman...

Morgan if he doesn't find some form soon.
Jordan doesn't offer that much with the ball so he could make way for a batsman.
Do we need 2 spinners? Ali could make way.

There are plenty of decent players available, but only 11 can play at a time so somebody is a
Ways going to miss out.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 04:49:55 PM
Morgan's comfortably our best possible captain right now and it's panic stations if you drop him. Not gonna happen.

We can slag off Jordan all we want but they're obviously high on him.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 04:52:00 PM
This feels like a chore
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:52:28 PM
Morgan's comfortably our best possible captain right now and it's panic stations if you drop him. Not gonna happen.

We can slag off Jordan all we want but they're obviously high on him.

And as you type that, another failure for Morgan. Skipper or not, he isn't scoring any runs!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 04:52:42 PM
Yeah, a real chore
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:53:51 PM
Good catch Faf, Tahir's filth certainly picks up wickets! 
England may not bat out their overs at this rate...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 04:54:31 PM
We're not making 100...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: dcullen8 on February 19, 2016, 04:54:57 PM
Is there anyone in world cricket that annoys you as much as Tahir? That celebration gets to me every single time!

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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 19, 2016, 04:55:08 PM
Well, who do you drop exactly? If I were being honest, probably Root, but then again, he's our best batsman...

I would without thinking about it too much drop Jordan and the other option is to play only one spinner.... I would keep Rashid if playing just one
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 04:56:05 PM
As the cricket isn't worth watching as an England fan, let's look at the kit.

Jordan without a sponsor, I bet he got his blank softs and bat from Online Stockist  ;)
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 19, 2016, 05:04:24 PM
England are first rating. Lots of talent just not been used right.


Root at 3 should have knocked 1s and 2s and got hales on strike. Look like who'd been told the run rate had to be kept as


Ali is not an international cricketer. Replace him.


Willey should be ahead of Jordan Atleast, I'd play him above Ali if not dropped.


Today Willey should have definately come in, left hander Vs Tahir is better than Jordan propping forward with that massive gap.


We don't have the bowling to defend this. Contenders for he World Cup? Not at mo
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 06:10:18 PM
We have a game on!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: it's_a_pudding on February 19, 2016, 06:24:59 PM
Firstly hello to all fellow members !
My view is you have to keep root. Morgan is one of those players which could well stand up and perform in the World Cup if he doesn't then you look at billings to come in at 6 and push either stokes or buttler to 4 and the other at 5. The other option their is Steven Finn has to come into the side and either Willey or Jordan will make way personally Jordan needs to go even though he is bowling well in this match but that's the first time I can say that for a while. The other option is Ali who needs to go then there is a decision play the extra pace bowler or experiment and throw Dawson into the deep end ? But if Willey bats he needs to be batting in front of rashid and Jordan not coming in at 10.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Woodyspin on February 19, 2016, 06:41:34 PM
England view Willey as a bowler, bowlers bat at 10. That's the only logic here.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: it's_a_pudding on February 19, 2016, 06:50:57 PM
England view Willey as a bowler, bowlers bat at 10. That's the only logic here.
I agree that is their view process but they could well be made to look silly after a good last year at Northants in the t20 format and this year I would have thought Gillespie may well bat him high up at Yorkshire next year. I know Jordan is capable of hitting a decent ball but I question it at that level as for Rashid he is only going to work the ball.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 07:00:24 PM
LETS BE HAVING YOU
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 19, 2016, 07:01:22 PM
Rashid should be a relieved man now !!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 07:04:42 PM
WE ARE AMAZING
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 07:10:05 PM
God it's great when the Saffers choke
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 19, 2016, 07:10:45 PM
Choke choke choke .... SA cmon, how can u lose the plot like this ???
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 19, 2016, 07:11:46 PM
Now its Chris Morris vs England !! 15 needed in the last over ...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 19, 2016, 07:12:48 PM
Chris Jordan I will happily eat my words if we pull this off and keep quiet !!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 19, 2016, 07:14:13 PM
Win or not, i think Jordan has redeemed himself given the recent criticism ... He bowled a fantastic line and length !
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: StillNotOut on February 19, 2016, 07:14:48 PM
Morris cleanly smashing Topley all over the park!


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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 07:14:57 PM
Ah game over
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: StillNotOut on February 19, 2016, 07:15:34 PM
4 off 2


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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 07:17:09 PM
I can't take this
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 19, 2016, 07:17:45 PM
super over a real possibility now !!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
Topley should get dropped for that
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: StillNotOut on February 19, 2016, 07:18:20 PM
OMG! Topley couldn't hack the pressure


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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 19, 2016, 07:18:48 PM
All over ... chokers turn winners ! topley choked a run out twice !!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 19, 2016, 07:18:54 PM
"Chris Jordan, best bowling figures. Simply brilliant"


Seriously is that really brilliant cricket?? Poor bowling.. Slogging that due to the format means he batsmen have no choice.. Sigh, now poor cricket is 'brilliant'

Ah topley 'brilliant'
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Disco on February 19, 2016, 07:20:22 PM
With the exception of Jordan and to an extent Stokes England's fielding and catching has been dire recently, inexcusable for international cricketers.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 19, 2016, 07:21:11 PM
The million dollar man is going to get himself a reputation as a finisher if he isn't careful!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 19, 2016, 07:23:12 PM
Still trying to process how on Earth you do that...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: it's_a_pudding on February 19, 2016, 07:25:01 PM
iPad ran out of battery with 1.1 overs left  :( what made it poor bowling ?
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 19, 2016, 07:25:20 PM
Pressure simply got to Topley. In the previous ball if he had been any closer to stumps there was a half run out chance there as well ...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 19, 2016, 07:26:41 PM
iPad ran out of battery with 1.1 overs left  :( what made it poor bowling ?

Are you serious?? Did you watch Jordan bowl?? I don't think he bowled a good ball, just happens that batsmen hit it to fielders or chopped on.. Hardly 'brilliant'
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: it's_a_pudding on February 19, 2016, 07:34:16 PM
Are you serious?? Did you watch Jordan bowl?? I don't think he bowled a good ball, just happens that batsmen hit it to fielders or chopped on.. Hardly 'brilliant'
I think there is some confusion ProCricketer1982 I don't rate Jordan's bowling but today he bowled with good pace and did bowl better than previously seen. Also agree with you some average bowling got wickets but it does happen look at Tahir didn't think he bowled particularly well but got wickets. As for my statement about iPad dying and what made t poor bowling I was referring to topleys last over did he bowl particularly badly (in the slot etc) or was it the inadequate fielding that let England down ? Just trying to establish how they lost the game from the moment my iPad went off.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 19, 2016, 07:35:28 PM
Bowled full so went and a full toss and didn't gather a ball to run out. It happens but you don't expect pros to do it

2020 though so hit and giggle
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 19, 2016, 07:40:51 PM
Well. wtf.



Are we he chokers now?

Choked the odi series and choked that.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: procricket on February 19, 2016, 07:41:42 PM
Are you serious?? Did you watch Jordan bowl?? I don't think he bowled a good ball, just happens that batsmen hit it to fielders or chopped on.. Hardly 'brilliant'

Load of tosh he bowled well in truth we did not get enough runs and fielded very averagely then the man Morris smoked it..

12 dotball's suggest he bowled ok pal.



 
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: it's_a_pudding on February 19, 2016, 07:48:36 PM
Morris is in form atm. He's bowling with good pace as well. Do you think maybe Ali was introduced a little late ? Especially with Duminy, rossouw and miller coming in a row together.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: procricket on February 19, 2016, 07:51:17 PM
maybe i just think 130 odd was gonna be a big ask and to get it that close was a very good effort.

We batted poorly thought we bowled agree with others REF Willey batting too low i think he should be ahead of Jordan and Rashid, but better qualified people have him there...

Chances did not quite go to hand so to speak rub of the green stuff..

And Morris, but that Rabada is some find...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: springbok45 on February 19, 2016, 07:53:17 PM
Good summary guys, saved me having to wade through the match reports later, someone should suggest this to cricinfo as an alternate commentary :D

Nick
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: it's_a_pudding on February 19, 2016, 08:02:24 PM
Agree with that procricketB3. I fear that Willey almost falls into the Dawson trap as in Bayliss hasn't seen an awful lot of him as such. I think England almost tried to over hit the ball at times especially Root it looked like he tried to muscle the ball when his trickery could have been more handy. Rashid I think bowls too fast in international cricket. It was a big ask but it was one those pitches that you cash in heavily on the new ball because the older the ball got the more it held up. You look at the dismissals a lot of signs of slow pitch e.g. Amla.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 19, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
Agree with that procricketB3. I fear that Willey almost falls into the Dawson trap as in Bayliss hasn't seen an awful lot of him as such. I think England almost tried to over hit the ball at times especially Root it looked like he tried to muscle the ball when his trickery could have been more handy. Rashid I think bowls too fast in international cricket. It was a big ask but it was one those pitches that you cash in heavily on the new ball because the older the ball got the more it held up. You look at the dismissals a lot of signs of slow pitch e.g. Amla.

As I said earlier it looked like root was batting in that way because he'd been told "keep the rate up". When merely knocking ones and twos to get hales on strike would be better served.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 19, 2016, 08:15:24 PM
IMO, Root is a traditional batsman and today his role would have been better served with ones and twos which perfectly suits his style of play. He would have done that perfectly and let Hales go blazing. Wondering who asked Root to slog ...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: it's_a_pudding on February 19, 2016, 08:23:52 PM
If that's the case and England want to attack nonstop then you can't select him. It was mentioned in commentary that they thought he was in the side incase a quick wicket fell to sure things up but surely that's a negative selection then if that's their thought process. If England are going well which they were buttler or stokes should have gone in and use root when those wickets were tumbling.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: csnew on February 21, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Not sure the point of dropping Wiley and playing billings. Is there a need to strengthen the batting? If your top 6 can't do it then what's the point adding another batsman.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 21, 2016, 12:06:17 PM
I'm glad that billings has got a game but why drop Willey!!


I'm guessing bayliss's really doesn't rate him. Domestic t20 tons and bats at 10 and dropped from both odi and t20 teams this winter without actually doing much wrong.


Drop Ali!!!!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 12:06:39 PM
Not sure the point of dropping Wiley and playing billings. Is there a need to strengthen the batting? If your top 6 can't do it then what's the point adding another batsman.

This is England we're on about here...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 12:13:53 PM
Willey doesn't cut it at international level. He's Birmingham barely 130kph. His batting is basically just a wild slog to leg. Topley, aside from the error in the last match, has shown he's comfortably the better left arm bowler.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 21, 2016, 12:32:27 PM
Roy dropped first ball. England still going for the all out batting attack.


Good bounce from rabada ball 2! I like this guy.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 12:36:24 PM
Roy batting dreadfully. Hoping Billings gets a shot up the order today.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 12:39:59 PM
14 balls into the match and Roy finally trusts Hales to face his first ball!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: csnew on February 21, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
Roy gets pinned by a bouncer! Some bowling from rabada!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 12:42:10 PM
Does Nick Knight get paid to commentate? Michael Owen's long lost brother...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 12:42:41 PM
Rabada far too good for Roy. Castle destroyed.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: procricket on February 21, 2016, 12:43:14 PM
Haha Jason Roy could be struggling to make the world cup on that showing and recently looks very out of sorts...

Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 21, 2016, 12:44:08 PM
Reckon that bats a gonna! He smashed that gate post pretty hard with it!!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 12:44:22 PM
Pinned him then takes his off peg out the ground.
Great bowling by Rabada and it was nice of him to put Roy out of his misery! He couldn't have timed a microwave today, let alone the ball  :-[
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: procricket on February 21, 2016, 12:44:55 PM
for me Root would open if your gonna play him, yes in India he will be possibly bowling too
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Sam on February 21, 2016, 12:49:19 PM
Reckon that bats a gonna! He smashed that gate post pretty hard with it!!

Part of his match fee as well perhaps given Topley got fined for taking out the stumps on Friday.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 12:52:49 PM
Part of his match fee as well perhaps given Topley got fined for taking out the stumps on Friday.

And probably £17.99 in sports direct to replace the bat...  ;)
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 12:57:28 PM
Root is God
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: GDP1964 on February 21, 2016, 12:58:56 PM
New Bat please Mr Slazenger 😜
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 01:01:14 PM
For anyone who missed it, the noise when he hit the post is awful  :(

https://youtu.be/U9EpaJuMn_8
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Andythomo21 on February 21, 2016, 01:02:00 PM
New Bat please Mr Slazenger 😜

Haha, yeah looks like Roy will need a new stick!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 01:02:22 PM
We are not worthy
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 21, 2016, 01:02:32 PM
Sports direct had the new Slazenger range in last week.

So buy fusion at 59.99(already reduced from 200 on day of release lol) go outside and hit metal pole.
Sharpie ruy on the bottom.

Put on eBay for 350quid as barely used but damaged pro bat.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 01:06:33 PM
tahir at it again. His celebrations are epic
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: csnew on February 21, 2016, 01:07:16 PM
Morgan sells hales down the river!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 21, 2016, 01:07:19 PM
Village.


Both England running and Tahirs celebrations.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 01:07:26 PM
What the absolute ******* are you thinking, that's Hafeez level of stupid
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 01:07:59 PM
Tahir comes on and the collapse has started again...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: csnew on February 21, 2016, 01:09:54 PM
Tahir comes on and the collapse has started again...

Just wait till they get to the subcontinent where the ball actually turns and 2 spinners bowling in tandem
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 01:19:15 PM
BIG JOS
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: csnew on February 21, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
The sound that 6 made of buttlers bat!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on February 21, 2016, 01:24:25 PM
If only talent and application were being used in equal amounts 😳 Silly run outs don't help dismissing the bloke in form for a bloke who's yet to find any.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 01:28:13 PM
Oh my word Morgan these are massive
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on February 21, 2016, 01:30:50 PM
Oh my word Morgan these are massive

When he has the ability to do that it makes me pull what little hair I have left out when he's caught on the edge of the ring trying to reverse sweep something.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 01:32:04 PM
THIS IS IT
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Batbuddy99 on February 21, 2016, 01:32:16 PM

If only talent and application were being used in equal amounts [emoji15] Silly run outs don't help dismissing the bloke in form for a bloke who's yet to find any.
I think he's just found some Tom!


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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
Can we just have swearing allowed? Becausing effing hell this is some hitting
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 01:36:42 PM
Surprise surprise flat track and Buttler shows he capable of slogging a few outta the park. Hype job
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 01:38:22 PM
Believe that all you like, sure...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 01:41:56 PM
Surprise surprise flat track and Buttler shows he capable of slogging a few outta the park. Hype job

People may not like it, but I'm starting to almost agree with this.
When the ball is moving round a bit Jos isn't as potent, yet ba flat track where he can rely on day hands and a good site he's lethal.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a flat track bully, but his game isn't as dynamic as the media make it out to be.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 01:44:10 PM
Believe that all you like, sure...
His mediocre record in all forms of international cricket says so.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 21, 2016, 01:47:09 PM
People may not like it, but I'm starting to almost agree with this.
When the ball is moving round a bit Jos isn't as potent, yet ba flat track where he can rely on day hands and a good site he's lethal.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a flat track bully, but his game isn't as dynamic as the media make it out to be.
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Butler has more talent than anyone else in the side hands down...he will learn to adapt against quality bowling.he gave us momentum in this game,gone now thou
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: csnew on February 21, 2016, 01:48:59 PM
I don't see how that is unlucky. Morgan is backing up far too much and you could easily mankad him. Nothing unlucky about it!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 01:50:24 PM
@ppccopener more talent that Root or Stokes?
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here  :)
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 01:52:54 PM
I don't see how that is unlucky. Morgan is backing up far too much and you could easily mankad him. Nothing unlucky about it!

Exactly, nothing unlucky about it. Stay in your crease

I see billings is stealing yards too, Saffas need to mankad him as well. It's cheating. This games funny
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 01:53:19 PM
Classic England collapse
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 21, 2016, 01:53:37 PM
@ppccopener more talent that Root or Stokes?
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here  :)

Pure natural ability yes i believe so...and i think he will just get better

root is a brilliant player thou :-)
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rawpace on February 21, 2016, 01:54:15 PM
Not Stokes' finest innings for sure....
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 01:54:25 PM
Surprise surprise flat track and Buttler shows he capable of slogging a few outta the park. Hype job

2020, it's supposed to be flat so players can biff.

Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 01:55:18 PM
Believe that all you like, sure...

2020 is about flat track hitting, buttler has shown he's only capable on flat tracks though to be Aussie
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 01:55:49 PM
People may not like it, but I'm starting to almost agree with this.
When the ball is moving round a bit Jos isn't as potent, yet ba flat track where he can rely on day hands and a good site he's lethal.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a flat track bully, but his game isn't as dynamic as the media make it out to be.
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Butler has more talent than anyone else in the side hands down...he will learn to adapt against quality bowling.he gave us momentum in this game,gone now thou
If Buttler was truly this 'talented' would that mean he'd scots runs on pitches that favour the bowlers? All his runs come on dead pancakes. Shows his technique and temperament is rubbish.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 01:56:37 PM
C'mon Bayliss axe Ali he's terrible'
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 01:59:08 PM
Pure natural ability yes i believe so...and i think he will just get better

root is a brilliant player thou :-)

It's a shame it's not all about ability . Buttler has shown unfortunatley he can't play a moving ball, simply hasn't got the mentality or technique. No shame in it as long as the media stop bulling him up. Stick to white ball hitting on flat tracks and he'll make millions, doesn't need test cricket like players used to
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: procricket on February 21, 2016, 02:01:59 PM
like dominoes oh well lets get home re-group.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 02:02:06 PM
Some collapse this
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 02:02:15 PM
Ah
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 02:07:11 PM
Some how England have contrived to get bowled out
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: roco on February 21, 2016, 02:07:47 PM
7 wickets for 14 runs proper sat afternoon collapse that
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: SirScottiod on February 21, 2016, 02:14:52 PM
I thought someone said that we had a deep batting lineup???!!??!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 02:17:20 PM
2020, hit or miss. Today so far a miss but a defendable score.. Only needs a couple of the SA guns to fail and they could choke

Hit an miss cricket works but in a sudden death game you can come unstuck.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 02:17:27 PM
Pretty decent summer for KG. 22 Test wickets, 10 ODI wickets and 3 T20I wickets.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Woodyspin on February 21, 2016, 02:18:47 PM
Not sure the point of dropping Wiley and playing billings. Is there a need to strengthen the batting? If your top 6 can't do it then what's the point adding another batsman.
He's very very good might take a day off work this year and watch him play in kent
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 02:20:55 PM
Topley is a dead ringer for Umar Gul
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 02:32:46 PM
AB feasting on Jordan's buffet cart!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
Brilliant stuff by Jordan 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🎣🎣🎣🎣🎣
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 21, 2016, 02:33:53 PM
Is Jordan actually worse than dernbach was?


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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rawpace on February 21, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
Why was Jordan kept on for another over? Baffling

Actually, why is he in the side full stop.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: bk on February 21, 2016, 02:49:22 PM
Jordan doesn't have the bowling control or hitting ability to play T20 at highest level. Stokes can't be relied on to be a front line T20 bowler. Roy and Morgan are streak players and you cant gamble with 1/3 of your batters being off form for a few matches. Too many average fielders.


Other than that we're looking good for World Cup. Wouldn't be surprised to see Vince and Dawson start in India. They're having a good tour.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: csnew on February 21, 2016, 02:50:18 PM
This is carnage! Wonderful entertainment! Rashid on - how far will it go!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 02:54:43 PM
At this point I don't care because test match cricket > everything
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 03:01:17 PM
It's 2020... Enjoy when it goes well and enjoy when it goes pear shaped. That's why this format is more for the hitter, hit and miss players
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 03:02:00 PM
Poor umpiring


Amla was p.l.u.m.b
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 03:03:02 PM
At this point I don't care because test match cricket > everything
Can't be all that great when you're ranked 5 😂😂😂
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 03:14:48 PM
Can someone please enlighten me as to why England persist with these batsman who own a pair of keeping gloves rather than an actual wicket keeper...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: mcgill123 on February 21, 2016, 03:19:17 PM
If Topley, Jordan, Willey and Stokes are the pace bowlers we are taking to the world cup then we're all doomed.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 03:20:22 PM
Can someone please enlighten me as to why England persist with these batsman who own a pair of keeping gloves rather than an actual wicket keeper...

Modern cricket doesn't demand proper keepers. Batters who can do a job are the name of the game.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 03:20:35 PM
Is my TV broken, or did Chris Jordan actually go for 41 off 2 overs  :o
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: rickjames on February 21, 2016, 03:21:12 PM
I'm gonna go make my roast dinner and get ready for Chelsea/City. Hope Bayliss just works on fielding almost exclusively for 3 weeks, for me it's been the main component as to why we've lost the white ball games we have...

Fair play to the Saffers mind.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: procricket on February 21, 2016, 03:21:32 PM
Can't be all that great when you're ranked 5 😂😂😂

Hold on i have found something in my pocket...

OH YEAH THE ASHES!!!!

I care about all formats ride the lows and sit with the highs pal...

Just beaten South Africa in there yard too i'm a optimist pal !!!!

Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 21, 2016, 03:24:08 PM
Haha smoked!!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 21, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
Modern cricket doesn't demand proper keepers. Batters who can do a job are the name of the game.

Modern cricket is all the worse for it then!
Plenty of missed chances and some glovework that wouldn't look out of place on a village green (nor would England's bowling today, mind you...)
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 21, 2016, 03:27:04 PM

Can't be all that great when you're ranked 5 [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

And when we beat Sri Lanka and Pakistan this summer will hold all test trophies available to us? That includes the ashes... Better than a side full of flat track bullies


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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 21, 2016, 03:32:55 PM
Well that was a total thrashing...too late to make any changes I would think so close to the World Cup

Roy hasn't really done anything(I thought he would) and do we need two spinners ?
Vince and Wiley might get in the final 11 after all?
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sammmyt1 on February 21, 2016, 06:12:42 PM
No, but our batting line up is not the issue. Yes Roy is not in form at all, but his role is to go hard from ball one. Reality is any bowling attack of Topley, Jordan and Willey is not going to compete in the toughest cricketing environment of a T20 world cup where bowlers have to be special eg Starc, experienced, or extremely clever/canny to succeed. I would back our batting line up that was put out today to give us a chance in any game.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 21, 2016, 06:21:52 PM
No, but our batting line up is not the issue. Yes Roy is not in form at all, but his role is to go hard from ball one. Reality is any bowling attack of Topley, Jordan and Willey is not going to compete in the toughest cricketing environment of a T20 world cup where bowlers have to be special eg Starc, experienced, or extremely clever/canny to succeed. I would back our batting line up that was put out today to give us a chance in any game.

Yes but at least you would have Wiley in as the left armer? He swings it back and can def bat, he's opened before in t20....
It's giving us more options with the bat and no weakening the bowling.am I missing something?
is topley that much better than Wiley? To me they are about the same bowling wise
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 06:28:48 PM
No, but our batting line up is not the issue. Yes Roy is not in form at all, but his role is to go hard from ball one. Reality is any bowling attack of Topley, Jordan and Willey is not going to compete in the toughest cricketing environment of a T20 world cup where bowlers have to be special eg Starc, experienced, or extremely clever/canny to succeed. I would back our batting line up that was put out today to give us a chance in any game.

Toughest cricketing environment ??

😂😂😂
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sammmyt1 on February 21, 2016, 06:41:29 PM
Yes but at least you would have Wiley in as the left armer? He swings it back and can def bat, he's opened before in t20....
It's giving us more options with the bat and no weakening the bowling.am I missing something?
is topley that much better than Wiley? To me they are about the same bowling wise

I agree with David Willey, yes he is a big hitter and a useful bowler to boot. Perhaps we can find another batting option to replace Mo? That would allow us to have

Hales
Roy
Root
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Billings
Rashid
Willey
Overton
Overton
(12th man Trego)

I may or may not be a Somerset fan. When I say toughest cricketing environment, in a completely different sense to Test cricket, both polar opposite forms of the game with completely different skill sets, mentalities, and ways of how you would describe the environment as being 'tough'. If the ultimate deciding factor is success, surely it is tougher (or at least equally as tough) to succeed in a tournament where anyone can beat anyone (within reason eg the minor teams aside like UAE), where any team can win a tournament if they get a bit of momentum, and there are therefore so many hurdles you have to get over to get your hands on the final prize? I think so, and if it isn't a tough environment (like any world sporting tournament) why have England only won 1 world limited overs trophy..?
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Aussie In England on February 21, 2016, 08:43:51 PM
And when we beat Sri Lanka and Pakistan this summer will hold all test trophies available to us? That includes the ashes... Better than a side full of flat track bullies


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Same bunch of jokers who couldn't beat the part time cricketers from the Caribbean?
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: procricket on February 21, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 21, 2016, 08:51:28 PM
Same bunch of jokers who couldn't beat the part time cricketers from the Caribbean?

Chill out.

It's 2020, enjoy it when it goes well and enjoy it when it goes like today. Today was just as fun because it was amusing how they got out and then Amla and ab teed off. Don't take it so seriously Aussie lad. Jezzz
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ScottParko on February 21, 2016, 09:15:58 PM
On the two spinners point, I suspect two spinners is a must in India? Which is where the t20 world cup is.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 21, 2016, 09:38:51 PM
On the two spinners point, I suspect two spinners is a must in India? Which is where the t20 world cup is.

Yes I see that... But if you were picking the team would you pick your best bowler who happens to be a seamer or a spinner just because you are playing in India?

Let's be frank...other countries have better spinners than we do at this moment.in fact Swann was the exception to the rule for England.i think rash I'd we should back but I don't see Ali having much impact.

England's seamers were our best bowlers against Pakistan in uae- spin friendly wickets
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: sanredrose on February 22, 2016, 12:40:28 AM
I enjoyed watching this match for various aspects ...

Root - It's nice to see root attacking. I like this version !
Butler - Dumbstruck ! He swings around his bat like a twig ....
Morgan - Nice big sixes. Real treat to watch when he really gets going ...
Amla - Where did the aggression come from ?? He was batting as if some it was training drill ... hit the ball between the three cones only on off-side.
ABD - Freak show ... He stands between the T20 WC and any team who wants it !

For England - this was probably a bad loss. They really wanted a win before getting back home. None of their batting failures seem like a problem to me, don't forget the fact the T20 WC in India with plenty of flat tracks and it would be a batsman's paradise. Roy, Hales etc just need one good innings to get their mojo back. Spinners are the problem .. Must rely on pace attack to do the heavy lifting in flat/spin friendly tracks.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Inzi13 on February 22, 2016, 12:47:01 PM
What's Chris Jordan in the side for?

Serious re-thinks are in order before the WT20
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: dcullen8 on February 22, 2016, 12:59:18 PM
Isnt he in the side purely because finn is being rested before the world cup?

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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: SirScottiod on February 22, 2016, 01:08:47 PM
Isnt he in the side purely because finn is being rested before the world cup?

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Surely youd would want a slightly similar stand in? Maybe Footitt or someone?
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Riddy on February 22, 2016, 01:34:46 PM
why does Root's part time offies not get any consideration? he used to open the bowling for Yorkies in T20.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 22, 2016, 01:37:26 PM
why does Root's part time offies not get any consideration? he used to open the bowling for Yorkies in T20.

He hasn't sent down many overs since his back problems came to light
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 22, 2016, 01:37:43 PM
why does Root's part time offies not get any consideration? he used to open the bowling for Yorkies in T20.

He also used to go at 18an over in my local midweek league......
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 22, 2016, 01:40:03 PM
He also used to go at 18an over in my local midweek league......

He could bowl instead of Chris Jordan then...
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: SirScottiod on February 22, 2016, 01:47:23 PM
He could bowl instead of Chris Jordan then...

I think Jordan would have been happy with 18an over!!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 22, 2016, 01:47:51 PM
I was a tad harsh on him, his 4 overs only went for 55.


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Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: Riddy on February 22, 2016, 01:59:11 PM
He hasn't sent down many overs since his back problems came to light
i'm only asking for a couple in the first 6 overs, but yeah depends how he feels.

If he could chip in a couple overs then we could get away with playing Billings
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: SirScottiod on February 22, 2016, 02:22:50 PM
I was a tad harsh on him, his 4 overs only went for 55.


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Anyway, I'd be some what disheartened if I rocked up to a midweek game and the opposition had one on the very best batsmen in the world playing for them!! :(
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: csnew on February 22, 2016, 02:50:08 PM
Anyway, I'd be some what disheartened if I rocked up to a midweek game and the opposition had one on the very best batsmen in the world playing for them!! :(

Bet that's how oppositions feel right now with M Clarke playing grade cricket!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ppccopener on February 22, 2016, 02:56:11 PM
as a batter I really enjoyed it playing against a couple of pro's way back when I was younger, it's an education just watching a professional bat. It when you face a County bowler things get a bit scary!!

£10.00 match fee to bat in a coconut shy if they are genuine quick, or quick at our level I should say. Medium pace pro was quick enough for me to think about protecting myself first, any runs were a bonus

 :)
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: smilley792 on February 22, 2016, 03:10:53 PM
That league was hard when we was in there as most teams had 1 pro. Others had 2!

We got thrashed every week(bit like sith Africa vs England......).


Some times you have to watch in awe though, when we played the above side jaco castle was heard saying "don't hit sixes as we don't wanna lose lots of balls today"(batting side provide balls in our league).

When they need 30 to win he then said "I'm gonna finish it this over" and sure enough he did. Could pick where he wanted to hit sixes.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 22, 2016, 04:19:21 PM
We got thrashed every week(bit like sith Africa vs England......).

Hard to see, the dark side is!
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 22, 2016, 07:29:43 PM
as a batter I really enjoyed it playing against a couple of pro's way back when I was younger, it's an education just watching a professional bat. It when you face a County bowler things get a bit scary!!

£10.00 match fee to bat in a coconut shy if they are genuine quick, or quick at our level I should say. Medium pace pro was quick enough for me to think about protecting myself first, any runs were a bonus

 :)

It's good fun against real pros (not mccu or one hit wonders , last years was nick trainor who actually I was disappointed with and Paul Murchell who was good fun to face, kept him out and score 3/4 an over off him without taking a risk. He was sharp but not scary sharp. I can see why he was pro though as he was accurate and moved it, plus I'd imagine with fitness every day he'd be a few mph quicker
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: bk on February 22, 2016, 08:21:26 PM
Reckon they missed a chance to blood Dawson. Slow, low wickets in India and we'll need more spinning options. He's a better batter than Jordan and as good a fielder close in. Could also bat higher if they want to take some pressure off Root. Would give us someone else to bat around.


Think Vince is unlikely after man of series in UAE but they'll probably stick with Roy. Would like to see him replace Compton long term.
Title: Re: England v South Africa T20 matches
Post by: TamGoodrich on February 22, 2016, 10:28:45 PM
Delighted for Dawson. Played s bit of cricket against him when he was at Goatacre and Chippenham in Wiltshire. Always a top bloke. Always found Vince less hospitable though!


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