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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: smilley792 on April 17, 2016, 03:23:03 PM
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So the season is underway and who's playing and where?
Bell got a 100 other day, could he be back in? Maybe at five to replace the Ill Taylor?
Hales is resting, does that mean he's been told he will start as opener?
While he rests Sam Robson and lyth both with early season hundreds.
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I'd love to see Belly get another go in the team. Australia have no problem in picking form players in their mid 30's so why shouldn't England. Bell had most of his success batting at 5 so would be a brilliant addition there again.
They'll stick with Hales for the first series as they always do (England normally give people 7 tests and see what's what), if he fails then the opening spot comes wide open again.
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Whilst bell is class and will majestically put county attacks to the sword all summer I don't think he'll get a recall. Would James Vince get the nod in the middle order?
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When is Ansari due back from injury?
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Ansari has played for the Surrey 2's and is on the way back.
I would like to see Steven Davies get a go at 5 for England.
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Steven Davies deserves it more than Vince. I really don't see what the fuss is with him
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Davies? Why? Take it you guys both Surrey fans.
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Scott Borthwick, 1000 Div 1 CC runs in the last 3 seasons on the worst deck in the country. Somehow never gets mentioned?!
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Scott Borthwick, 1000 Div 1 CC runs in the last 3 seasons on the worst deck in the country. Somehow never gets mentioned?!
Probably after his last appearance people have hoped everyone has forgotten about him so Cooks not tempted to toss him the ball 🙈
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Davies? Why? Take it you guys both Surrey fans.
His stats for last 3 and a bit years aren't bad, and I'm I Yorkshire fan.
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So why not?
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Gary Ballance must be next in line to get another go?
I can see either Lees or Lythe opening before the end of the English summer.
I think Vince has got a lot of attention because he's a pretty batsman (and sponsored by GM) which reminds people of a young Michael Vaughan. As a Hampshire fan I'd say his white ball cricket is better than his 4 day stuff. He's talented but I don't think he's ready for test cricket just yet.
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Probably after his last appearance people have hoped everyone has forgotten about him so Cooks not tempted to toss him the ball 🙈
That's the thing though, he hardly bowls for Durham. He's an out and out number 3 who's scored the most runs over the last three years by an Englishman at 3.
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That's the thing though, he hardly bowls for Durham. He's an out and out number 3 who's scored the most runs over the last three years by an Englishman at 3.
Was joking mate - we seem to like taking number 3s who bowl a bit and popping them down at 8 (besides can't really see a wrist spinner getting a look in at Durham when playing at home).
I'd agree with the above though Ballance toured so based on England's methodology he'll be next in line in the middle order
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Davies had his chance when he said no to being backup keeper, no?
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Gary Ballance must be next in line to get another go?
I can see either Lees or Lythe opening before the end of the English summer.
I think Vince has got a lot of attention because he's a pretty batsman (and sponsored by GM) which reminds people of a young Michael Vaughan. As a Hampshire fan I'd say his white ball cricket is better than his 4 day stuff. He's talented but I don't think he's ready for test cricket just yet.
England obviously like Vince they have kept him around the squads,nowadays that normally means a chance sooner or later. I like Vince and Lyth and ballance. There's def competition this summer for one maybe two places. Not sure what to make of Bell, didn't score enough runs so fair enough,he is a natural number 5, Vince a bit higher up the order. I don't think we will go back to bell,it depends which position I guess.i think opening is still a problem which could mean Compton up Vince 3. If we just replace JT? BAllance is 5 for the Yorkies I think.Another ton for bairstow today he has nailed the keeper/batsman slot.
If there is just one place it may well depend on who scores most runs in the championship.
Your right about Vince being compared to Vaughan a lot.
Also if Compton and cook open(presuming he ain't banned for his lid) :) is that too stodgy?
Lyth is free scoring he just didn't really get going last summer,but could of been a good counter to Cook at the top.
Interesting stuff, if I had to make one change I would drop hales and stick Lyth back in. Probably won't be popular on here thou
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Davies? Why? Take it you guys both Surrey fans.
Couldn't be further from the team I support. Scott Borthwick I would love. Gives that spin option too
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Still not convinced that Hales is right to open!
Interested to see how the team will pan out this Summer :)
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Tom Abel to open. Balance no where near the side, same for bell. Hales to drop down to 5.
All probably unlikely but you never know.
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I was interested to read Gary Ballance talking candidly about how he thought people jumped on the bandwagon about his 'technical fault'. I'm also interested to see Yorkshire are using him at no.3 this season.
Well done to those of you who've mentioned Steve Davies - a class act.
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Davies had his chance when he said no to being backup keeper, no?
I'm not sure he ever did this.
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England obviously like Vince they have kept him around the squads,nowadays that normally means a chance sooner or later. I like Vince and Lyth and ballance. There's def competition this summer for one maybe two places. Not sure what to make of Bell, didn't score enough runs so fair enough,he is a natural number 5, Vince a bit higher up the order. I don't think we will go back to bell,it depends which position I guess.i think opening is still a problem which could mean Compton up Vince 3. If we just replace JT? BAllance is 5 for the Yorkies I think.Another ton for bairstow today he has nailed the keeper/batsman slot.
If there is just one place it may well depend on who scores most runs in the championship.
Your right about Vince being compared to Vaughan a lot.
Also if Compton and cook open(presuming he ain't banned for his lid) :) is that too stodgy?
Lyth is free scoring he just didn't really get going last summer,but could of been a good counter to Cook at the top.
Interesting stuff, if I had to make one change I would drop hales and stick Lyth back in. Probably won't be popular on here thou
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Don't like Vince at 3 personally.
He's a naturally attacking batsman, and seems unable to reign it in if an early wicket falls.
He scored the majority of his championship runs at 4 which a position he's more suited to. I can't see him getting that slot for England any time soon though.
I imagine the lineup for the first test will looks something like:
Cook*
Hales/Compton
Compton/Hales
Root
Roy?/Bell/Ballance/Vince
Stokes
Bairstow+
Ali
Woakes/Plunkett/Rashid
Broad
Anderson
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I was interested to read Gary Ballance talking candidly about how he thought people jumped on the bandwagon about his 'technical fault'. I'm also interested to see Yorkshire are using him at no.3 this season.
Well done to those of you who've mentioned Steve Davies - a class act.
Ballance proved right or wrong about his techinique(runs will determine)...he has a strong mind not to run off to a coach and shout help....
The problem sometimes is change one thing and another goes wrong, so you get a different technical problem. Tricky one that as most of us have tried to change something over the years. I remember tendulkar saying he was constantly 'evolving' his technique.
Having said that Cook sought out technical help and has changed his set up quite a lot.
I hope ballance gets runs, he's a good player and you need mental toughness aswell as technique-Maybe more so.
Think ramps and hick, technically sound.
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I totally understand that some people 'have it' and are pigeon holed as England cricketers even after playing only a few CC games.
But people like James Vince has hardly set the CC alight, particularly at Div 1 level. I think we are getting to a point where CC does not matter for weight of selection. There are very few quality attacks in county cricket, especially in Div 2.
What's people's thoughts? Does the CC still actually matter for England selection. If it did surely we'd have seen very different selections?
Anyone heard Chris Rushworth mentioned? Only the 80 odd wickets last year...
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Ballance proved right or wrong about his techinique(runs will determine)...he has a strong mind not to run off to a coach and shout help....
The problem sometimes is change one thing and another goes wrong, so you get a different technical problem. Tricky one that as most of us have tried to change something over the years. I remember tendulkar saying he was constantly 'evolving' his technique.
Having said that Cook sought out technical help and has changed his set up quite a lot.
I hope ballance gets runs, he's a good player and you need mental toughness aswell as technique-Maybe more so.
Think ramps and hick, technically sound.
It would make me chuckle last year to hear club 3rds players analysing what might be wrong with the technique of a man averaging nearly 50 in Tests.
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Surely the third seamer's spot is between Finn and Wood (if fit)?
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Anyone heard Chris Rushworth mentioned? Only the 80 odd wickets last year...
It would be said that Rushworth is not quick enough to be effective at the top level.
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Surely the third seamer's spot is between Finn and Wood (if fit)?
I thought they were both out injured at the moment?
As you say if they're fit then the spot will go to one of them, personally I'd go for Finn as he provides something different to the others. Wood seems to make things happen though and the selectors seem to like him
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It would be said that Rushworth is not quick enough to be effective at the top level.
80 odd mph? How quick does Jimmy bowl, McGrath? Not that I'm putting them in the same class, just saying because he's not 90 doesn't mean he shouldn't be considered.
Name me a better bowler in the CC?
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Finny is fit his injury healed up virtually before the World Cup which was a shame for him he just missed it
Best bowler in the championship? onions would be up there I would think.erm....Durham again.
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I would like to see Butter back in and keeping with Bairstow moving up to take JR'S place.
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It feels like Root and Cook will have to carry the batting and hope Stokes comes off once and Bairstow maintains his form. Nos 1, 3, and 5 are musical chairs.
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I can honestly say I feel gutted that JT won't be playing again for England and had such potential. For me Root should move to 3, he's one of the best players in the world and should be given/take the responsibility. There seems to be a lack of depth in county cricket at the moment of real contenders. I'd like to see them give Roy a go. I know he's probably not ready, but he has talent as has shown he is capable of learning quickly. It's not the toughest summer either which could give him a chance to settle in. Otherwise Vince, but no way should we go back to Bell, no matter how stylishly he slays the county trundlers!
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80 odd mph? How quick does Jimmy bowl, McGrath? Not that I'm putting them in the same class, just saying because he's not 90 doesn't mean he shouldn't be considered.
Name me a better bowler in the CC?
I didn't say it was my opinion. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's the best in the CC. He certainly seems to take wickets. But then Sam Robson and Adam Lyth seemed to score plenty of runs?
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I can honestly say I feel gutted that JT won't be playing again for England and had such potential. For me Root should move to 3, he's one of the best players in the world and should be given/take the responsibility. There seems to be a lack of depth in county cricket at the moment of real contenders. I'd like to see them give Roy a go. I know he's probably not ready, but he has talent as has shown he is capable of learning quickly. It's not the toughest summer either which could give him a chance to settle in. Otherwise Vince, but no way should we go back to Bell, no matter how stylishly he slays the county trundlers!
Roy!! Test batsmen??? You've seen his technique right?? Any half decent red ball attack would mince him
Vince I've not seen enough of
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Also for all this talk of Steve Davies I'd love to see Ben Foakes get a chance should something go awry with Bairstow/Buttler. Has the gloves for Surrey this season and a sound batsman to boot.
Roy isn't ready yet...
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I hate the phrase "isn't ready".
The truth is that his technique isn't good enough for test match cricket. Not ready isn't the right line, more got a lot of work to do to be a success.
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I hate the phrase "isn't ready".
The truth is that his technique isn't good enough for test match cricket. Not ready isn't the right line, more got a lot of work to do to be a success.
I'm guilty of using that about James Vince.
In his case I believe his technique is up to it, he just hasn't scored enough runs to warrant selection! Pretty and technically correct runs are worth the same in the book as ugly ones
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I don;t think the selectors will stray too far from their various squads, I suspect:
Cook
Compton
Hales
Root
Vince
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Anderson
Finn
Wood
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I'm guilty of using that about James Vince.
In his case I believe his technique is up to it, he just hasn't scored enough runs to warrant selection! Pretty and technically correct runs are worth the same in the book as ugly ones
If I remember correctly, Trescothick was quite similar - not really scoring mega runs in county cricket but they took the punt and he turned out to be an absolute England legend. Are England a bit scared to take the risk? Very possibly.
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Surely good technique increases likelihood of being able to step up a level?
I love watching Vince bat. My doubts about him would be temperament related.
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Also for all this talk of Steve Davies I'd love to see Ben Foakes get a chance should something go awry with Bairstow/Buttler. Has the gloves for Surrey this season and a sound batsman to boot.
Roy isn't ready yet...
An interesting call would be to bat Bairstow at five(again), and play a more natural gloveman. It won't happen, of course.
Ben Foakes really isn't ready. He hasn't kept enough in first-class cricket.
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Bell and Ballance will both be ahead of Vince unless he scores a lot of early season runs I suspect. Very open for the no. 5 slot though, Bell has to be the frontrunnner but room for someone new to score a hatful and get themselves in contention. Sam Hain seems highly rated? Top three deserve a chance again at the start of the summer, come the end of it Lyth/Robson/Lees could all be in the frame depending on scores.
Don't see any new bowlers coming into the team this summer, Broad/Anderson/Wood/Finn/Woakes/Plunkett are all too well established as test players. Footit maybe but unlikely.
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I agree that Ballance and Bell will be ahead of Vince. In fact, it seems quite likely that both could soon be back in the team.
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I think they'll line up very similar to the SA tour. As far as replacing JT I can't see them looking much further than people already around the various squads: Bell, Ballance or Vince mainly with Roy as a very very outside bet. I'm not saying it's necessarily what I'd do but I think that's how it will go.
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Borthwick will be ahead of Roy.
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I'm guessing it'll be a straight swap with JT out and Ballance in, he's got test match experience and batting at 5 should be a lot easier for him.
I wonder if Compton is still a certain at number 3? I'm guessing if JT was going to be playing then they might have replaced Compton with Vince, Ballance and possibly Bell.
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Borthwick will be ahead of Roy.
He should be on form and ability but I'm not sure that's how England normally think, Roy's a (reasonably) established "England player" now and Borthwick had a go and failed, I often think that's counts for more than anything else in the selectors minds. Although with Bayliss and Farbrace in charge perhaps (I hope!) they'll look at things a bit differently. Although I'm pretty sure it's all a moot point because surely either Bell or Ballance will play so we're probably discussing it all for no reason haha :D
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Borthwick played as a spinner when he failed.
He is one of the most consistent top order batsmen in the country.
I'd be surprised if it's not Ballance.
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Borthwick played as a spinner when he failed.
I know. I'm not trying to disagree with you, I'd take Borthwick ahead of Roy, I'm just not sure the selectors will!
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Just to add another name, is Hildreth worth considering?
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Just to add another name, is Hildreth worth considering?
Should have had a chance years ago!!!
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Should have had a chance years ago!!!
You're probably right but our middle order was well filled with Messrs Trott, Pietersen and Bell for a good period and then Root came along. Feel bad for Hildreth though, quality player.
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You're probably right but our middle order was well filled with Messrs Trott, Pietersen and Bell for a good period and then Root came along. Feel bad for Hildreth though, quality player.
Hildreth is a good player you are spot on, and has scored consistently for years, but time has prob passed and maybe batting at taunton actually worked against him as it's so flat there...
If he would of moved Counties maybe he would of stood a better chance? who knows.....by the same token thou top order batters from Durham don't seem to get a look in for England. Im thinking Stoneman for example....
is it more of a true test to bat and get lots of runs at middx/surrey/hants or less runs on a track that does a bit more?
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As a Durham fan it is delightful to see my boys getting credit! On form Stoneman Borthwick and Rushworth have all been unlucky in the last couple of years! Our South African opener Jennings qualified the week before the season and opened his account with 2 tons..... Ha
And Mark Wood is set for surgery and will miss the international season and maybe won't play in any county games too.
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That's terrible with Wood, loved his character last year. Hope he's riding that horse sooner rather than later.
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I think the point about the quality of county attacks is a good one - once the England bowlers are hived off, you really only have one really top class attack in division one - and that is why Yorkshire are such overwhelming favourites for another championship pennant. Elsewhere, you have the solid through to the downright mediocre, especially once division two pitches are taken into account.
For that reason, I suspect that nine of the likely eleven can be reeled off pretty quickly - Cook, Root, Compton and Hales will be amongst the batsmen, Bairstow, Stokes and Ali will be the all rounders, and Anderson and Broad will be two of the three quicks. It is only the previous success of Liam Plunkett's pace and aggression against Sri Lanka that prevents me saying that Steve Finn is the tenth nailed on certainty. Leaves us looking for a replacement for JT, and in realistic terms thats a shoot out between three guys who have played previously - Bell, Ballance and Lyth - in rough order of probability.
Where I have a bit of an issue with that "continuity of thinking" is that it becomes a little...inflexble over time. Unless something remarkable happens, whomsoever plays wll be gifted three tests on Chief Executives pitches against one of the weaker attacks in recent test history. In English thinking, that probably means that the team who start the first test is likely to be our side for the next 18 months...I would rather see some consideration of the underlying issues at this stage:
1. Is Jonny Bairstow going to make it as a keeper? If not, give him the number five berth back now and let him forge a test career as a batsman. Its only the lack of a replacement that might keep him there.
2. Is Alex Hales an opener at test level? We have the luxury of thinking about this one - in the likely side, Nick Compton could step up, and there are plenty of candidates in form in the county game. He wouldn't even have to be dropped - he could move to three or even five.
3. Where do we go post Jimmy Anderson?
My side? Would be even braver...
A Cook
A Lyth
N Compton
J Root
J Bairstow (keeper)
B Stokes
A Hales
A Rashid
S Broad
S Finn
J Anderson
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200 for Sam Robson.
Has he worked on his issues highlighted at test level? Or has he just stayed the same and choice to smash county bowlers for a living?
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150 up for YJB too, scoring runs for fun over the last 18 months.
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200 for Bluey Jr now. Seems like he's decided that averaging 100 in the Championship is just a bit passe. One friend who was there yesterday described it thus "Bairstow always looks like he's brought his own personal pitch to bat on".
Drunky Plunkett looks a decent bet for a ton as well...
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@Manormanic I like some of your thinking, you young shaver! Personally, I'd slot YJB in to the no 5 slot and pick a keeper to bat 7 - who are the current contenders though?
I love Moeen, but I don't see him as a long term option as a test spinner, so I would give Rashid a decent run as the test no1 spinner / no 8 batter, and get him to learn about taking text wickets in early season conditions.
I'm a bit tempted by:
Cook
Compton
Hales
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
A. Keeper Esq
Rashid
Broad
Finn
How about the test side for late 2017 eh?
Cook
Lees
Compton
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Duckett
Curran
Crane
Finn
Footitt
ps - what about Monty? He could be a dark horse later in the summer.
I persevere with Compton as an opener, and gives Hales a run of 2 or 3 more tests as an attacking no3. Bowling should be finn, Broad, Anderson though for me.
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Plunkett on 94* going big guns.
Bairstow well passed 200, Yorkshire putting on 236 runs in 31 overs this morning. @ProCricketer1982 be having kittens at that run rate.
With david Willey, tracks head and hodd to replace any Yorkshire players leaving for England duty, I'm not sure I see anyone but Yorkshire winning this title yet again.
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[can of worms] Bairstow isn't good enough to be a specialist test batsman and has to improve his keeping to stay in the side long term[/can of worms]
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Ben Duckett keeping wicket, eh? A good player, but seems to be third choice with the gloves at the much-maligned Northants.
Compton won't last the summer, and I'm not expecting Rashid to play a whole lot of Test cricket.
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[can of worms] Bairstow isn't good enough to be a specialist test batsman and has to improve his keeping to stay in the side long term[/can of worms]
Just under 250 from 270 balls from Bairstow. That's some going...
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@Manormanic I like some of your thinking, you young shaver! Personally, I'd slot YJB in to the no 5 slot and pick a keeper to bat 7 - who are the current contenders though?
Thats the issue really, who is there in County Cricket?
Read, Wallace and Foster, all quality glovemen, are too old to be serious contenders, as is Tim Ambrose. The only other top quality specialists in the county game are a long way short as batsmen (Bates) or can't get in the Yorkshire side (Hodd).
Of the keeping all rounders, I think we have to rule Buttler and Billings out for now due to the IPL, and Davies and Duckett out because they do not hold the gloves for their current counties. That leaves Ben Foakes, Adam Wheater, John Simpson and Ben Brown...
None are particularly convincing, though the England management clearly like Foakes because they have given him a lot of exposure in A squads and as 12th man for hte main side. You suspect they might be behind him getting the gloves off of the excellent Gary Wilson at Surrey too...
How about the test side for late 2017 eh?
Cook
Lees
Compton
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Duckett
Curran
Crane
Finn
Footitt
Not sure I see that side turning out, certainly not that soon. Lees needs a big season for Yorkshire, Curran (assuming you mean Tom rather than Sam) has a lot of people to get past and Footitt's time has probably been and gone. There is a lot to get excited about though, especially if their counties help Duckett, Crane etc to develop into the players England need.
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Ben Duckett's future may be as an opening bat. But, whatever, he's probably three big seasons (and a change of county?) away from the full England team.
Michael Bates doesn't have a county contract.
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Do we think Tymal Mills time will come?
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Do we think Tymal Mills time will come?
He's got wheels no doubt but I don't think his body is up to Test cricket. Might end up a T20 specialist.
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Meaker was in and around the England set up as well but I think he just sprays the ball around too much even if he's rapid.
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Mills plays T20 only due to his back condition. No longer form cricket.
rapid but has had bad back problems, I did read he thought his career was totally over.
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Do we think Tymal Mills time will come?
Mills is out of the picture for Test Cricket = http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/879411.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2015/content/story/879411.html)
Meaker also currently injured... not a nice one either!
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First post! Not particularly exciting, however I quite fancied Robson to open. Especially with that 231 vs Warwickshire to his name.
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First post! Not particularly exiting, however I quite fancied Robson to open. Especially with that 231 vs Warwickshire to his name.
come on in Tom ! :)
Middx fan I hope. Robson certainly had some technical stuff to work on. Time will tell if he's really a better player than when he played a handful of Tests. England clearly liked him at the time....
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come on in Tom ! :)
Middx fan I hope. Robson certainly had some technical stuff to work on. Time will tell if he's really a better player than when he played a handful of Tests. England clearly liked him at the time....
Thank you and yes, how did you guess?! ;) I feel that he would have a strong case if he continues to put in solid performances. Also a fan of the idea of Ballance at number five. He would work as a good base for Stokes (possibly Buttler and or any other bigger hitters) to play with their powerful style of batting.
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Ben Duckett's future may be as an opening bat. But, whatever, he's probably three big seasons (and a change of county?) away from the full England team.
Michael Bates doesn't have a county contract.
I thought he had a pay as you play deal at Somerset?
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I thought he had a pay as you play deal at Somerset?
He did last season. It seems they didn't fancy him.
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He's got wheels no doubt but I don't think his body is up to Test cricket. Might end up a T20 specialist.
Unfortunately I think you're right! Which is such a shame.. my friend played ans Wormsley batting against him bowling off 5 paces.. my friend claimed he still couldn't see it, but ending up getting enough bat on one for it to stop just on the boundary edge for him to complete an all run 4!
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Ton up for Vince as a timely reminder that he gave up the IPL auction to stay and push for a test place!
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Ton up for Vince as a timely reminder that he gave up the IPL auction to stay and push for a test place!
there's a small group of batters very motivated to get the notice of the selectors it seems. Tons for Bell,Robson,big one from Bairstow and now Vince...Adam Lyth too...
those in possession of a place must come first but if Championship runs count it could get interesting if we don't beat Sri Lanka...
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A ton for Vince against, arguably, the best attack in the country with the next highest score being 22 so far. Definitely throwing himself into the mixer there!
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A ton for Vince against, arguably, the best attack in the country with the next highest score being 22 so far. Definitely throwing himself into the mixer there!
Vince is a class act, he's got it, whatever 'it' is.
But as walking wicket pointed out......he doesn't really, or hasn't, scored lots of runs to bang the door down.
Tresco and Vaughan didn't either thou...and neither has Compton(most recent selection)
:)
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Some people have mentioned Bairstow as hitting a timely ton.. I thought England were sticking with him as test keeper/batsman and Jos as the one day specialist.
I hope this is still going to be the case for the summer. Bairstow does worry me at times behind the stumps but for me his batting more than makes up the the odd mistake. Also the more experience he gets at test match level then the better he will become?
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Some people have mentioned Bairstow as hitting a timely ton.. I thought England were sticking with him as test keeper/batsman and Jos as the one day specialist.
I hope this is still going to be the case for the summer. Bairstow does worry me at times behind the stumps but for me his batting more than makes up the the odd mistake. Also the more experience he gets at test match level then the better he will become?
it will certainly be interesting to see what happens. Butler is the better keeper, Bairstow is proving he is the better batsman.
There is an argument Jonny is one of the best top 6 in the Country batting alone right now and on last season as well.
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Vince is a class act, he's got it, whatever 'it' is.
But as walking wicket pointed out......he doesn't really, or hasn't, scored lots of runs to bang the door down.
Tresco and Vaughan didn't either thou...and neither has Compton(most recent selection)
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Compton scored a lot of runs for years before he got his first go in the England side tbf.
YJB is clearly in the form of his life, good for England as he's not being challenged for the keeping spot right now and hasn't quite made it with the bat at test level, certainly not with gloves! Buttler isn't going to play much first class for a while now so don't see him getting the spot back in a hurry, Eng would probably be happy to see big performances from Foakes to keep Bairstow striving to improve.
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couldn't you slot bairstow in at 5 as a specialist batsman and have jos at 7 as a keeper/batsman?
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couldn't you slot bairstow in at 5 as a specialist batsman and have jos at 7 as a keeper/batsman?
......you could......Bairstow doing both thou enables us to play an extra player if you like, maybe an allrounder like Jordan/Woakes... or another bowler if conditions allow, or another batter if that's what the team needs.
So Bairstow in enabling England to have selection options as he is an allrounder currently (with gloves)
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It appears from my contacts that Hales will be opening with Cook, root likely to be at 3, Vince will bat at 5, not sure about Compton at 4 currently. Might be Bell. Eng management cross with Ballance for not working on technique.
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that's some contacts you have there Buzzsaw.
You're the one mates with KP right?
:)
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It appears from my contacts that Hales will be opening with Cook, root likely to be at 3, Vince will bat at 5, not sure about Compton at 4 currently. Might be Bell. Eng management cross with Ballance for not working on technique.
I like the sound of that, can't help but feel Bell is a slight backwards step though.
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why would you move Root to 3?!
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It appears from my contacts that Hales will be opening with Cook, root likely to be at 3, Vince will bat at 5, not sure about Compton at 4 currently. Might be Bell. Eng management cross with Ballance for not working on technique.
Root at 3 will kill him! He's not the best against the new nut!
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I'd like to see Bairstow keep the gloves and leave Buttler to focus on white ball cricket as the Ashes series really showed his weaknesses in test cricket plus Bairstow did a decent job in the test side.
I'd like to see Robson get another go opening as I felt it was harsh to drop him the first time.
I think we need to keep an eye on Daniel Bell-Drummond this season as he's improving every year and his double hundred against Loughborough was pure class.
Compton should stay at 3 I think, he played well on the South Africa tour and could be the rock that England have struggled with since Trott first left the side.
I think it is a strong possibility that Bell could return at 5 as he seems to be in decent form at the moment.
I think that Moeen Ali should be replaced by Adil Rashid as in tests Moeen isn't scoring runs and has been at ties sloppy with the ball, a leg spinner also brings in a different dimension.
My team:
1. Robson
2. Cook (C)
3. Compton
4. Root
5. Bell
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow (WK)
8. Rashid
9. Broad
10. Finn
11. Anderson
Outside chance for me would have to be Daniel Bell-Drummond, I've just got a funny feeling that this year could be his year.
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For this summer?...
Cook... Rarely lets England down. His captaincy is improving but IMO it needed to :)
Hales.... deserves a run of test matches
Vince... Has quality so give him opportunity like Hales (if cements place possible captain 2/3 years?)
Root... 3/4 for me however if you lose Cook and Root early then pressure is on.. so Root at 4 gives more stability IMO ;) Another possible captain
Bairstow... For me he is improving.. loves cricket and great team player
Stokes... Lets give him as many opportunities as possible to fulfill potential with BAT and BALL.. A real Winner
Ali... He will eventually make runs..lol.. Best spin option at moment
Rashid.... Just think we should keep him in as another potential match winner. Gillespie loves him and that will do for me.. And he can bat..
Broad.... Batting is getting better again..
Finn... Wicket Taker!!! If he not fit then give Plunkett the ball. IMO every teams needs a tall quick bowler
Anderson... Could well be coming into his final year of tests BUT in a home series a must..
Lyth, Jennings, Buttler, Ballance, Woakes, Jordan, Duckett, Currans, Gubbins, Robson etc are some of the younger players to look out for. Personally I would rather steer clear of the older players like Bell and give younger players a chance in a "Home" series
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It appears from my contacts that Hales will be opening with Cook, root likely to be at 3, Vince will bat at 5, not sure about Compton at 4 currently. Might be Bell. Eng management cross with Ballance for not working on technique.
Well that would be stupid! surprised Trev and Paul don't think this through a bit - Leave Joe where he is for God's sake, Hales shouldn't open whilst he has a hole in his a*se, what's the point of Compton at 4 and leave Bell out of it, time to look forward.
I think you are just playing with our plonkers @Buzz !!!!!!
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I'd start the summer as follows if it was me:
1. Cook (C)
2. Hales
3. Compton
4. Root
5. Vince
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow (WK)
8. Rashid
9. Broad
10. Finn
11. Anderson
I think England will play Mo at 8 though. I would also possibly consider Compton and Hales swapping batting positions and Ballance at 5.
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Don't like Vince at 3 personally.
He's a naturally attacking batsman, and seems unable to reign it in if an early wicket falls.
Did OK against the champions. Saw him yesterday and didn't play a shot for about an hour. Stoic
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Why is Ballance not even included in most people's deliberations? Class player, averaging 47/48 in tests, has 4 hundreds in 15 tests.
He's going to be a huge player for England!
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Dodgy technique and didnt look to be changing that.
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Did OK against the champions. Saw him yesterday and didn't play a shot for about an hour. Stoic
Well that was the best way to shut me up, just hope he starts doing it consistently
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Why is Ballance not even included in most people's deliberations? Class player, averaging 47/48 in tests, has 4 hundreds in 15 tests.
He's going to be a huge player for England!
As I said earlier he has peed off the management team for refusing to improve his technique.
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Dodgy technique and didnt look to be changing that.
What a load of cock. Struggled in two tests and the technique that sees him averaging 50 or so/breaking England records is suddenly no good?
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Exactly. Unorthodox techniques have worked for Smith (one of the world's best, begrudgingly) amongst others- I really hope England aren't coaching him out of a technique that has worked at the highest level. It can ruin a player.
That isn't to say he didn't need to improve though.
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That is a naive as saying cook doesn't have an issue outside the off stump!
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As Root struggles with the new/short ball. As Hales struggles with it pitched up. Shall we bin them all until they either come back as technically perfect, or robots with everything coached out of them?!
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They need to demonstrate an adaptability and show they are working on their flaws. Ballance isn't doing that.
For what it is worth my team would be
Cook
Lees
Root
Davies
Hales
Stokes
Barstow
Moeen
Broad
Finn/plunkett
Anderson
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Buzz is it not true that most players whether they are club,pro or internationals have some flaw in technique? And trying to correct one can bring another one you didn't think you had?
There must be others on the forum like some of us tried to fix one thing and end up out of sync with something else...
the best technically correct England player I've seen is mark ramprakash. He finished with a test average under 30 I think...
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Cook
Compton
Ballance
Root
Bell
Bairstow
Stokes
Rashid
Plunkett
Broad
Finn
Appreciate the need to bring on the young players, but only once the experienced players are done. Remember how Pirlo destroyed England at the World Cup... I'm pleased we've got players to fill the gaps once the experience goes.
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They need to demonstrate an adaptability and show they are working on their flaws. Ballance isn't doing that.
For what it is worth my team would be
Cook
Lees
Root
Davies
Hales
Stokes
Barstow
Moeen
Broad
Finn/plunkett
Anderson
He has adapted, found his own slightly different methods of scoring runs. As mentioned, look at Smith, worlds best, does that mean he has the worlds best technique? Does it hell, and thats clear for all to see.
All players have flaws in their technique, why focus on just Ballance?
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Cook
Compton
Ballance
Root
Bell
Bairstow
Stokes
Rashid
Plunkett
Broad
Finn
Appreciate the need to bring on the young players, but only once the experienced players are done. Remember how Pirlo destroyed England at the World Cup... I'm pleased we've got players to fill the gaps once the experience goes.
Is Pirlo t20 or odi??.........
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He has adapted, found his own slightly different methods of scoring runs. As mentioned, look at Smith, worlds best, does that mean he has the worlds best technique? Does it hell, and thats clear for all to see.
All players have flaws in their technique, why focus on just Ballance?
The focus on Ballance is because lots of people want him in the team and he isn't going to be picked and this is why.
Hales has technical issues, but is being given a extended run, Root has worked hard on his, as has cook.
Look at it differently, if your boss says, I need you to change the way you work to improve and offers help. Do you say, thanks I will try or no, I am fine as I am?
How do you think your boss will reply to the latter?
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Is Pirlo t20 or odi??.........
Oops. Forgot we only followed one sport. My bad!
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Buzz is it not true that most players whether they are club,pro or internationals have some flaw in technique? And trying to correct one can bring another one you didn't think you had?
There must be others on the forum like some of us tried to fix one thing and end up out of sync with something else...
the best technically correct England player I've seen is mark ramprakash. He finished with a test average under 30 I think...
I fully agree on the flaws in technique, I play a fairly decent standard of club cricket and at the start of the season I was batting really well so my technique wasn't questioned. My stance is on 2 leg and move across to middle as the bowler jumps into his action to help get my feet moving. When I was batting well there were no issues but when I had a couple of bad innings it became an issue and everyone started talking about it with me saying I move too much and lose my solid base. Trying to correct it this winter I started to push my back shoulder through squaring up.
I remember when years ago Cook was stepping outside of the line of off stump and getting LBW a lot, he sorted that and now he's become vulnerable of the ball on off stump now either getting bowled or nicking it to the slips or keeper.
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I fully agree on the flaws in technique, I play a fairly decent standard of club cricket and at the start of the season I was batting really well so my technique wasn't questioned. My stance is on 2 leg and move across to middle as the bowler jumps into his action to help get my feet moving. When I was batting well there were no issues but when I had a couple of bad innings it became an issue and everyone started talking about it with me saying I move too much and lose my solid base. Trying to correct it this winter I started to push my back shoulder through squaring up.
Two inches (and a quater, if we're being pedantic) is 'getting your feet moving'?
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The focus on Ballance is because lots of people want him in the team and he isn't going to be picked and this is why.
Hales has technical issues, but is being given a extended run, Root has worked hard on his, as has cook.
Look at it differently, if your boss says, I need you to change the way you work to improve and offers help. Do you say, thanks I will try or no, I am fine as I am?
How do you think your boss will reply to the latter?
He isn't going to be picked, but that is precisely **** all to do with his technique. He isn't going to be picked because he isn't, as of this moment, scoring any runs...
If he were, he would be in. He made the Yarpie tour with that technique, and is hardly the only player to keep the game that took them to the top level despite it being questioned (if Steve Smith, Shiv Chanderpaul and Graeme Smith, think about our own Messers Compton, Taylor, Bairstow, Stokes...)
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Trust me, he hasn't been on an England tour and refused to work on his technique. Every player will have been working on their technique.
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Interesting story in yesterday's paper reporting as selectors consider possible changes to the batting order joe root has pleaded to stay at number 4-the position he has been amazingly successful.
Would it be mad to move him or is Ponting right 'your best batsman bats 3'.
KP never moved from his spot but lots of other players have. I wonder if they are considering a change in openers and maybe moving hales down the order, or possibly even trying to shoe horn butler in as keeper with bairstow just replacing JT
What's the thoughts on moving Root up?
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Leave him be. There is no need for Root & Branch change.
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I did say root was being moved to 3...
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Leave him be! If he performs at 4 and he obviously doesn't want to bat at 3, plus he is proving himself to be one of the best batsmen in cricket at the moment, why consider moving him?
In short...............
(http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii471/petehosk/LeaveRoot_zpsjsusznyy.jpg)
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Haha that's funny!