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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Mister Le Chiffre on November 21, 2018, 08:40:18 AM
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India's tour started this morning. 3x T20, 4x Test and 3x ODI.
First T20 at the Gabba, Australia currently 75-3 still hapless again spin
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Maxwell laying into K Pandya crushing the SLA for sixes with ridiculous ease
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Those Lynn sixes earlier were lovely.
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Australia edge India in a thrilling contest. A rare win for the aussies
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The same "C team" that were clean swept by pakistan few weeks ago
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Australia Test squad for the first two matches. Good old Marsh brothers still in the mix...
Renshaw axed.
Pat Cummins, Aaron Finch, Peter Handscomb, Marcus Harris, Josh Hazlewood (VC), Travis Head, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Marsh (VC), Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine (C), Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, Chris Tremain
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Giving Krunal a chance in overseas conditions cost India the match. Chahal would have been the better option.
Also, I hate the fact that India do not allocate enough days for the team to acclimatize before starting the tour. Ideally they should have played at least 1 practice T20 before the series.
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Giving Krunal a chance in overseas conditions cost India the match. Chahal would have been the better option.
Also, I hate the fact that India do not allocate enough days for the team to acclimatize before starting the tour. Ideally they should have played at least 1 practice T20 before the series.
Their schedule is incredible. I mean they are well rewarded, but the timing of their tours make it such that their first game is effectively their warm up match. Should probably be looked at, though I see they've talked about resting players - but that is not going to go down well with the fans who want to see their best team each match.
On Australia, Harris I really like, tidy player, but all his Shield runs came in one game (innings) and Doolan and a couple of others seem to be in better nick generally. Be interesting to see how he goes. Lot of left-handers in there.
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King Kohli scores unbeaten 61* so ensure India tie the T20 series 1-1, second game was rained off. Kohli was different class, ominous signs ahead of the Test series
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Prithvi Shaw out of the first Test in Adelaide after suffering a severe ankle injury in the Indians warm up game.
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Prithvi Shaw out of the first Test in Adelaide after suffering a severe ankle injury in the Indians warm up game.
Yeah, watched that on a stream, went over trying to stop a ball crossing the rope and struggled to get back to his feet. Shame as he's in good form and was hoping to see how he'd fare overseas.
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For anyone who wants to see the injury, although I'd strongly advise not to https://preview.redd.it/v8vgs5x76d121.jpg?width=607&auto=webp&s=7b1eeb3b22d0dad886317b11c18ea4a44a8fdd4e
Y U C K
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Can't see Shaw playing before the third Test tbh, saw an image of him on crutches. Anyway his misfortune is Australia's gain. Rahul played a horrible shot and recently jettisoned Vijay are the only openers left in the squad
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Also looks like Handscombe may well leapfrog Head for the number 5 slot
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Looks like Rahul and Vijay will open in the first Test, the former with a morale boosting half century in the second innings and the latter a dazzling century. Albeit against a modest attack.
Elsewhere Matthew Renshaw scored a triple century in grade cricket...still he's not from WA so langer won't be impressed
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More distractions for Australia and more specifically Khawaja as his brother gets arrested for trying to frame someone as a terrorist
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq9ZGlggbwM/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=fqavsywexhqf (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq9ZGlggbwM/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=fqavsywexhqf)
Wouldn’t want to watch this as an Aussie bowler :(
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kohli looks gun lol
sheesh, should be a good battle - Kohli v Cummins, Strac and Hazelwood...
Money on the Aussies?
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He played the short ball well against the net bowlers but didn't look to be in control against the side arm. Should be some excellent cricket to watch when he is facing the Aussie quicks
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kohli looks gun lol
sheesh, should be a good battle - Kohli v Cummins, Strac and Hazelwood...
Money on the Aussies?
Given it's being billed at Kohli vs Australia, then I reckon there's a good chance no one is betting on the rest of the side making any runs. Murali Vijay will make runs, as he's a serious player. Not sure about the rest of the line up.
Got to be pretty concerning conceding 550 in a warm up game against an Aussie XI who are mostly fringe (at best) State Players.
Going to be interesting, but I can't see the Indians posting consistent totals to challenge for wins unless Kohli has the series of his life. Which in fairness I wouldn't put past him!
Would love to eat my words and watch a real great contest though.
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Australia names their playing XI and the Prince of WA Mitchell Marsh has surprisingly been axed.
Marcus Harris, Aaron Finch, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh, Peter Handscomb, Travis Head, Tim Paine (c&wk), Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon
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Murali Vijay will score heavily while Travis Head is a weak No.5
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I want Tim Payne to do well, he is a young guy heaped with a lot of responsibility! I wish him well.
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Murali Vijay will score heavily while Travis Head is a weak No.5
He's at number 6??
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India named 12: it will be between Rohit and Vihari for the final place.
KL Rahul, Murali Vijay, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit Sharma/Hanuma Vihari, Rishabh Pant, Ravi Ashwin, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah.
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I want Tim Payne to do well, he is a young guy heaped with a lot of responsibility! I wish him well.
Young? He’s 33!
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Maybe a different prospect in home conditions, but to me that looks a grim old top 7 the sussies have, just hard to see where 400+ is coming from.
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M Marsh finally dropped, Aussies have finally come to their senses. Playing the extra batsmen to help bulk up the batting
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That is one piss poor Aussie side. Bowling aside
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I know Mitch Marsh hasn't set the world alight but surely he is a better option than Handscomb! The English bowlers will be queueing up to bowl at him if they bring him over next summer.
Mitchs 100 in Perth was the best Ton, apart from Cooks obviously, that I saw in the last Ashes. Played some cracking shots all round the ground! I wouldn't pay 50p to watch Handscomb shuffle and prod around
I think India have a decent chance in this series IF their pace bowlers perform well. On paper they have a better batting line up
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Young? He’s 33!
Definitely young. I'm 31 :D
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Can’t Imagine khawaja being in the best of head spaces with his brother arrested on terrorism charges
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Seems like both sides have an appreciation of the others bowling attacks with both opting for 6 batsmen plus the keeper
For India it's a no brainer, Vihari should be in the XI. Rohit is a flat track bully
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Seems like both sides have an appreciation of the others bowling attacks with both opting for 6 batsmen plus the keeper
For India it's a no brainer, Vihari should be in the XI. Rohit is a flat track bully
The pitches in Australia are pretty flat
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There's talk that the pitch in Adelaide will be bowler friendly
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Is this series on sky sports?
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Is this series on sky sports?
BT, I’m pretty sure they have the Australian cricket rights
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Interesting to see how different network 7s coverage is compared to channel 9. Ian Healy and co were unbareable at times
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Cant believe they've picked Ishant over Bhuvi Kumar, or Umesh Yadav.
He's never been anything less than unbelievably ordinary & he'll only be anything more than that bowling at the 3 left handers in the top 8.
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Cant believe they've picked Ishant over Bhuvi Kumar, or Umesh Yadav.
He's never been anything less than unbelievably ordinary & he'll only be anything more than that bowling at the 3 left handers in the top 8.
Ishant has had the best year of his career in 2018, 30 wickets at 21. He'd be a bit stiff if he got the chop
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Ishant has had the best year of his career in 2018, 30 wickets at 21. He'd be a bit stiff if he got the chop
Fair enough he's had a good year, but does anyone truly believe he's a better bowler than Bhuvi or Yadav?
Can't see it myself.
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Fair enough he's had a good year, but does anyone truly believe he's a better bowler than Bhuvi or Yadav?
Can't see it myself.
I think Bhuvi must be unfit tbh. And ShamiYadav are fairly similar. Ishant's height adds a little variety
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There's talk that the pitch in Adelaide will be bowler friendly
Yes the groundsman has said that the grass length will be the same as previous years including the day/night tests - one of the reasons for this being that he needs to keep moisture in it because temps are set to be in the high 30's (pushing 40 degrees) for at least the 1st 2 days - so it will be an interesting toss.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/australia-v-india-adelaide-oval-pitch-to-have-generous-grass-covering-for-first-test/news-story/2c73fa72c01de302fb2ad25df4b6575a?nk=34ed267a59d06dc713ba1276b0020ec4-1544007375 (https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/australia-v-india-adelaide-oval-pitch-to-have-generous-grass-covering-for-first-test/news-story/2c73fa72c01de302fb2ad25df4b6575a?nk=34ed267a59d06dc713ba1276b0020ec4-1544007375)
Regards the India team - i think it's a no brainer Vihari has to play, otherwise India have no real 5th bowler at all.
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Expect India to get beaten for sure.
Asshwin will do literally nothing.
they needed Jadeja instead of him.
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Expect India to get beaten for sure.
Asshwin will do literally nothing.
they needed Jadeja instead of him.
There's a lot of left-handers in that Australian team though. Ashwin has a fantastic record against lefties, they could play both of them of course.
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This feels like the 2018 England tour all over again. Bad selection cost India and I fear the same might repeat in Australia.
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How come teams don't consult message boards like CBF for small matters like team selection?
I wonder how'd a team fare when a team is picked "democratically" thru a crowd-sourced decision making process v/s selection by the "team management"?
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How come teams don't consult message boards like CBF for small matters like team selection?
I wonder how'd a team fare when a team is picked "democratically" thru a crowd-sourced decision making process v/s selection by the "team management"?
Interesting idea but I doubt it would work very democratically as originally intended. People might vote for who they like based on who is from their region as well as based on their tolerance for the players character/off field behavior which should not really factor into the playing xi selection or ability to win games for the team.
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Kohli wins the toss and the Indians will have a bat. Bizarrely Rohit gets the nod over Vihari, the same Rohit whom averages 24 outside India. Pick your mates Virat...
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No studio presenters for this test match, just goes to show that BT doesn't really care about cricket. Poor show by them considering this is such a big series
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3-1 hazlewood get Rahul, a truly awful shot. Rahul's Test career in danger of being finished by the age of 26. Young Shaw will comeback at Perth and there's another youngster Gill waiting to get into the side.
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15-2 Starc gets Vijay. Australia vs Kohli begins
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19-3 Kohli gone. India crumbling
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stunning catch from khawaja
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Can see India getting completely thrashed 4-0 this series
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Poor team selections is hallmark of Kohli/Sastry regime. Taking out of form Rahul and Rohit in playing XI over deserving candidates like Vihari/Mayank. Aussie strategy of overhyping Kohli seems to have worked....Pitch doesn't seem to have any demons in it as all batsmen got out to balls that could have been left. Expect aussies to post 500+ easily.
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Poor team selections is hallmark of Kohli/Sastry regime. Taking out of form Rahul and Rohit in playing XI over deserving candidates like Vihari/Mayank. Aussie strategy of overhyping Kohli seems to have worked....Pitch doesn't seem to have any demons in it as all batsmen got out to balls that could have been left. Expect aussies to post 500+ easily.
OK I'll be no 1. Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi :)
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Indian batting is fairly predictable overseas, let's be honest. Difference here compared to the summer being that the Aussie cordon seems to be able to hold them!
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The Aussie charm offensive against Kohli worked. For the last few days the majority of CA content was about how the sunshines from Kohli's rear end. And Kohli's loose stroke can be attributed to him falling into the hype.
Anyway the pitch was pretty docile and India's batting was inept. Flat footed drives against the new ball. Whilst Pujara played well he's not really much of a batsman outside Asia so you can see that it's a flat pitch.
Australia should be winning by an innings
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Ah, how the cricket world love to find a negative to trump any success 🙄
He averages 66 in Asia and 31 outside Asia. So just facts
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He averages 66 in Asia and 31 outside Asia. So just facts
Numbers do change over time. Today he did play a innings that were required from the other top batsman like rahul, vijay kohli and rohit. Patience is the key regardless. That is why I love test cricket.
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Absolutely no excuses for the way the top order threw away their wickets. Chasing deliveries outside off stump! Kohli needs to practice leaving that rather than handling the short pitched deliveries. Vihari never stood a chance getting picked for the first test once Rohit was picked in the squad. BCCI should stop giving Vijay chances at the top and send Rahul back to Ranji and India A tours to get runs under his belt.
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Absolutely no excuses for the way the top order threw away their wickets. Chasing deliveries outside off stump! Kohli needs to practice leaving that rather than handling the short pitched deliveries. Vihari never stood a chance getting picked for the first test once Rohit was picked in the squad. BCCI should stop giving Vijay chances at the top and send Rahul back to Ranji and India A tours to get runs under his belt.
They'll definitely struggle if you sack the whole team!
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Not sure India should be too pessimistic just yet. They have a good bowling attack for what should be the most seam friendly deck they are likely to play on. Plus it remains to be seen how the surface will play in the fourth innings after a few days baking in the heat
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Wait till both sides have batted.
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Ah, how the cricket world love to find a negative to trump any success 🙄
Love it, imagine in the Indian dressing room there's probably a lot more 'well done Chet you hero, bailed us out again' than '(No Swearing Please) if you can score a ton then it must be a flat one'..!
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The Aussies certainly got the wood on King Kohli in recent times. 49 runs in last 6 innings since that staggering series in 2014. Cummins have bowled 4 deliveries at Kohli in Tests and got him twice.
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Sorry if been mentioned but what channel.is this on in the UK ?
Hotstar ?
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BT Sport 2
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For those without by sport it’s on the radio:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/46080224 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/46080224)
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Shaun Marsh doing just enough to get selected for the second test
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Shaun Marsh doing just enough to get selected for the second test
They have no option but to select him
Someone said earlier wait till both sides bat on here - Aussies 7 down. Head’s saved them a little.
India again allowing lower order partnerships.
Very unaustralian wicket, not sure what to make of it. Seems difficult to play shots and two paced
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They have no option but to select him
Someone said earlier wait till both sides bat on here - Aussies 7 down. Head’s saved them a little.
India again allowing lower order partnerships.
Very unaustralian wicket, not sure what to make of it. Seems difficult to play shots and two paced
The standard of wickets in Australia has dropped through the floor in recent years. Plenty of articles about it last summer.
The WACA and Gabba have both lost alot of the pace they were renowned for.
Adelaide has become hit and miss - wasn't too bad a wicket last year until the lights came on then it was nigh on impossible to bat on.
Melbourne is lifeless, there was talk of sacking the groundsman after Cooks double ton.
Only Sydney retains its character of a good wicket that takes spin later on
Remains to be seen what the Optus can offer up
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The discipline of Bumrah and Ishant was fantastic, rarely you see Indian fast bowlers thriving into their third/fourth spells. Bumrah in particular was rapid, clocked in the high 140s. Kohli's India are definitely more fitter, usually India wilted late in the day not this time. Still probably should've played Kumar instead of Shami
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This has become a common phenomenon with Shami...bowls badly in the first innings and then turns it around in the second innings.
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The standard of wickets in Australia has dropped through the floor in recent years. Plenty of articles about it last summer.
What is the reason for this? Is it due to the move to drop in pitches? Or CA deliberately making those to ensure games go 5 days?
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I find it staggering that Australia didn't schedule a match at the Gabba, they've not lost there in 20 years? BCCI must've really sweet talked them...
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What is the reason for this? Is it due to the move to drop in pitches? Or CA deliberately making those to ensure games go 5 days?
Multipurpose stadiums in Australia. Used for afl and other events.
Means massive stadiums yet pitched become generic
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Mark Waugh comes across as a real dick...delusionally biased and continually talking out of his backside.
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The Aussie charm offensive against Kohli worked. For the last few days the majority of CA content was about how the sunshines from Kohli's rear end. And Kohli's loose stroke can be attributed to him falling into the hype.
Anyway the pitch was pretty docile and India's batting was inept. Flat footed drives against the new ball. Whilst Pujara played well he's not really much of a batsman outside Asia so you can see that it's a flat pitch.
Australia should be winning by an innings
Mark Waugh comes across as a real dick...delusionally biased and continually talking out of his backside.
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Starc struggling with knee/ankle after digging leg into outfield anc Pujara seems to have a hamstring injury
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219 more to win on the final day. It’s probably up to marsh to get a big one.
Don’t see it happening, India have a real chance to go 1-0
With the Aussies playing 4 bowlers, one of them was bound to break down
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They read out Starcs stats since the Ashes series. Think it was 16 wickets at 37ish so hasn't been a great year for him
Let's hope all 3 break down by July and they bring Hilfenhaus, Bollinger and Siddle. Those were the days.....
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They read out Starcs stats since the Ashes series. Think it was 16 wickets at 37ish so hasn't been a great year for him
Let's hope all 3 break down by July and they bring Hilfenhaus, Bollinger and Siddle. Those were the days.....
Something to do with sandpaper? And not having the ball reverse swinging a mile
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Something to do with sandpaper? And not having the ball reverse swinging a mile
I didn't want to be the one to say it :D
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Something to do with sandpaper? And not having the ball reverse swinging a mile
Someone write somewhere(may have been Twitter) after the sandpaper gate thing.
“I feel sorry the most for Mitchell Starc, dude genuinely thought he was world class, swinging it round corners at 90 plus miles an hour, and now he’s just realised 80percent of that wasn’t actually him......”
Stats proving that to be true.
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Sorry but Starc's issues are mental and not this continual reference to 'sandpaper'. Considering he's one of the most injury prone fast bowlers around, his consistency at landing the ball is all over the shop at present. I'm pretty certain when Starc was getting Cook out for fun last Ashes, that they weren't sanding the brand new ball. Starc has been dreadful this match hurdled 12-16 byes past poor old Tim Paine. The 2018 Starc has become more like the 2010-11 Johnson - bowls to the left, bowls to the right
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Sorry but Starc's issues are mental and not this continual reference to 'sandpaper'. Considering he's one of the most injury prone fast bowlers around, his consistency at landing the ball is all over the shop at present. I'm pretty certain when Starc was getting Cook out for fun last Ashes, that they weren't sanding the brand new ball. Starc has been dreadful this match hurdled 12-16 byes past poor old Tim Paine. The 2018 Starc has become more like the 2010-11 Johnson - bowls to the left, bowls to the right
You normally quote stats till the cows come home so don't just ignore this one. Would be interested to see Hazlewoods and Cummins averages pre and post cryingcheatgate
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The stats where already posted above why would I repost the same figures?
Hazlewood and Cummins played the last test in South Africa. Hazlewood took no wickets and Cummins took 9 wickets. Neither toured the Middle East.
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Cummins has bowled beautifully every time I've seen him the last year or so.
Be interesting to see how Shaun Marsh goes, seems to get a lot of stick these days.
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Heard a stat that marsh has never scored a 4th innings 50. Pretty poor given how many tests he’s played now. Perfect chance to rectify that
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This is some fight from the Aussie tail - showing the top order how it’s done.
40 to win now with the last pair in.
India struggling with the tail again
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India win by 31 runs. Been an interesting test match
Some seriously poor shots from both sides this match. A lot of t20 shots.
Aussies will need to think about a 5th bowler and possibly finch’ position. Struggles against the moving ball and woefully out of form
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Finch may not be a Test player. If he is, its hard to see that being as an opener.
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Well done India a deserved victory and after some of the choking in South Africa/England this might be a turning point, granted Australia are missing Smith/Warner.
Both sides have issues with the composition of their XI. Australia probably need Burns to replace Finch and an all rounder whom probably should be Stoinis. India can afford to keep Shaw on ice until Melbourne but they should axe Rohit. Ashwin's poor fitness was exposed on D5 and they'd be better to have Jadeja replace Rohit.
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I know it's a day out but the track at Perth is looking quite green.....
https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1073057405812887552?s=19
https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/1073024981653585921?s=19
https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1073086924523397120?s=19
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Ashwin's poor fitness was exposed on D5 and they'd be better to have Jadeja replace Rohit.
I don't know why Jadeja isn't one of the first names on the sheet. A superb lower order batsman, fantastic fielder and a guy who bowls left arm as good as anyone.
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Australia name unchanged XI, captain Paine deemed fit despite his right index finger looking a sorry state.
Prithvi hasn't recovered so it's a bat off between Rahul and Vijay. Ashwin and Rohit ruled with injury. Vihari into the XI. Final place is toss up between Kumar/Jadeja/Umesh.
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I know it's a day out but the track at Perth is looking quite green.....
https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1073057405812887552?s=19
https://twitter.com/ESPNcricinfo/status/1073024981653585921?s=19
https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1073086924523397120?s=19
Think the Aussie batting line up would be more worried looking at that wicket.
Should make for a cracking game if it actually does move a bit with pace and bounce. Would be interesting to see what both captains would do if they win the toss. Can’t remember the last time a Aussie captain won a toss and stuck the opposition in at home
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Jadeja is a good controlling option. He can bowl tight lines and hold one end up. My guess is that India will pick Vihari and Bhuvi as the replacements with Vihari also playing the role of the part time bowler.
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Australia 222-4 just ahead of the second new ball. India have bowled a little short. Ball is pretty soft Head slogging freely
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232-5 Vihari gets Marsh. India might regret not selecting a frontline spinner as Vihari has 2fer
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One slog too many for Head, 251-6
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Aussies in a great position with Pitch doing plenty. Can only see the bounce getting worse.
Don’t see India getting more than 200 on here
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Loving this pitch. Its a shame most of the pitches in Australia have become so docile.
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Can't stop watching this https://streamable.com/pg0i5
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Interesting article: http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25532276/removed-my-spinner (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25532276/removed-my-spinner)
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Is there anywhere online to watch highlights?
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Gotta tip your hat to Bumrah’s fitness, all day he was 140+ despite the extremely hot conditions. Shami and Ishant wilted badly in the final session
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Gotta tip your hat to Bumrah’s fitness, all day he was 140+ despite the extremely hot conditions. Shami and Ishant wilted badly in the final session
While somewhat different, his action looks a lot more economical than the others. Good player
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Thought India would get blown over today - looked like it with the openers failing again. Kohli saving them again
A tail so could see a collapse if one of these two go.
Again - no reverse swing for the Aussies, bit different to what we saw last year with it reversing after 30-40 overs
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Rahane added some gusto to the batting looked at ease scoring freely. India got issues at the top though. Both Rahul and Vijay look like walking wickets. They could well do with calling up another opener for Melbourne.
With regards to reverse swing the Indians didn't get any either. Outfields so far have been pretty lush
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If Rohit is fit, India should open with Rohit. Current openers not scoring anyway and rohit opens in one day so its a chance india should risk.
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If Rohit is fit, India should open with Rohit. Current openers not scoring anyway and rohit opens in one day so its a chance india should risk.
Opening with one day players is never the best idea tbf
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Opening with one day players is never the best idea tbf
I agree but India have nothing to lose the way Vijay and Rahul are playing. IMHO both Vijay and Rahul are done as openers in test for India. I would like India to open with Parthiv Patel and Prithiv Shaw in Melbourne. If Shaw is not ready open with Rohit.
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Again - no reverse swing for the Aussies, bit different to what we saw last year with it reversing after 30-40 overs
It is obviously important to stress that Australia had found the ability to generate reverse swing through legitimate means every early in the innings across a couple of series, until one day they decided rather than operating within the rules they would cheat by altering the condition of the ball - albeit that the ball still swung as much and at the same stage of the innings as when they were doing it without tampering with the ball - and were promptly caught on what was absolutely the first time that they had ever decided to do that. It is obviously completely coincidental that they haven't been able to generate that much reserve swing since
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There's some talk of India calling up Shubman Gill for the third test. The 19 year old was player of the tournament in the u19 World Cup. Also he's currently 199* in the current round of Ranji trophy matches
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The master reaches his 25th Test hundred, perhaps one of his absolute best.
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Expected collapse from India. Blessing for aus that finch is probably out of the series, any idea who the next cab of the rank is?
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Surely Renshaw, or maybe Burns.
Maxwell must be in with a chance of replacing Handscomb.
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Was Kohli out in the slips? Looked liked the ball partly touched the grass.
Never the less, it was a good innings and well played. Totally deserved it!
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Was Kohli out in the slips? Looked liked the ball partly touched the grass.
Never the less, it was a good innings and well played. Totally deserved it!
Some elite honesty from the Australian fielders perchance? :(
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Some elite honesty from the Australian fielders perchance? :(
I’d imagine if it was any other team on the receiving end, the commentators would’ve said clearly bounced.
Part and parcel of playing against aus in aus, those type of decisions have always gone to the home side. Irrespective of who’s the third umpire
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With a new born that doesn’t sleep between 2am and 6am was a good chance to watch the match early this morning and as much as for some reason I just don’t like Kohli ( I bit like ronaldo) the guy is a league above all others on show and was a superb ton. He really is the stand out batter amongst both teams.
Indian pace attack also out bowling the Aussie quicks on there own turf at the moment, starc looking off the boil but Hazelwood and Cummings are starting to look like the real deal now with consistent performances series after series and staying fit. Hope the babe stays awake tonight as looks like could be a great days Test cricket tomorrow
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Just going to mention this, but Nathan Lyon is a mighty fine bowler. Another Michelle for him today.
All the talk about Kohli, he seems to have slipped under the radar a bit.
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Was Kohli out in the slips? Looked liked the ball partly touched the grass.
Never the less, it was a good innings and well played. Totally deserved it!
Ball clearly touched grass..I don't understand the finger underneath the ball rule, if the ball touched ground, it should be not out, though in this case it looked like the ball touched the ground and then rolled onto the finger. Soft signal rule is really crazy one for sure..
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Just going to mention this, but Nathan Lyon is a mighty fine bowler. Another Michelle for him today.
All the talk about Kohli, he seems to have slipped under the radar a bit.
People always do - he is dismissed as a 'clubbie', I think he's a fine bowler.
However, I believe many experts think he is more effective on Aussie pitched, do to his reliance on overspin.
Would he get in our side?
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Lyon didn’t do anything remotely decent. One top order wicket. Pant hitting out and three tailenders. When you play on such a fiery pitch a lollipop bowler can get a cheap bagful
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People always do - he is dismissed as a 'clubbie', I think he's a fine bowler.
However, I believe many experts think he is more effective on Aussie pitched, do to his reliance on overspin.
Would he get in our side?
Proper spinner vs all rounder moeeen, white ball Rashid and un proven leach .. I’d say so
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Lyon has been world class for a few years now, anyone who would blatantly dismiss that probably doesn't know much about the game.
On the Handscomb catch, I've always been of the opinion that they should scrap the soft signal and 3rd umpire, they only make things more confusing, if the player claims it and the umpire believes it to be out, then time to go. Any dishonest players will get found out pretty quickly.
And if anyone didn't understand why there needed to be a cultural review in Australian cricket, watching some of kholis antics this test has convinced me that it was completely necessary. A Great batsman, but a petulant child.
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People always do - he is dismissed as a 'clubbie', I think he's a fine bowler.
However, I believe many experts think he is more effective on Aussie pitched, do to his reliance on overspin.
Would he get in our side?
To be fair, for years I was one of those who though him little more than a clubbie - and at the time, I think I was right. But he has improved out of all recognition and is probably near enough the first name on the Aussie team sheet. As with a lot of players, his game has naturally developed to his natural conditions but he has done well in a lot of environments.
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287 for India to win - don’t see them getting anywhere close to that.
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https://postimg.cc/dLGkn068
Seems not out to me.
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The move to the bigger stadium looks to have paid off. Seems to be at least 75 spectators in the ground!
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https://postimg.cc/dLGkn068
Seems not out to me.
Seems pretty similar to KL Rahuls catch at the end of the last test. Evidence for both not conclusive, the difference is Hazelwood probably isn't under the impression that he is bigger than the game, and he accepted the decision and walked off.
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I’d say Nathan Lyon is the most important bowler in the Aussie line up. Probably the second best spinner in the world, fantastic control and dip.
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People always do - he is dismissed as a 'clubbie', I think he's a fine bowler.
However, I believe many experts think he is more effective on Aussie pitched, do to his reliance on overspin.
Would he get in our side?
lol. yes. He'd have 100 caps. He's better than Swann.
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Ball clearly touched grass..I don't understand the finger underneath the ball rule, if the ball touched ground, it should be not out, though in this case it looked like the ball touched the ground and then rolled onto the finger. Soft signal rule is really crazy one for sure..
The grass is not the ground though. The ground is the hard stuff under the grass.
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The grass is not the ground though. The ground is the hard stuff under the grass.
So in your opinion how long is the GRASS off the hard surface called ground.
And ball is heavy enough to touch grass and ground same time.
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So in your opinion how long is the GRASS off the hard surface called ground.
And ball is heavy enough to touch grass and ground same time.
My point is that its perfectly possible for the ball to brush the top of the stems of grass on the way into the hand without ever touching the ground underneath. So just because you can see the ball touch the grass is not proof that it has also touched the ground.
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So if ball brushes faintest egde of bat rather than full face of bat and get caught is it out or not?
Opposite applies to that catch scenario.(not out)
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Is there any distinction between grass and ground in the laws of the game?
If so you could argue that in most cases the ball never truly touches the ground
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India missed a big trick by not picking a proper spinner. A spinner can be equally dangerous on a pitch with bounce and pace. Jadeja would have been deadly on this pitch.
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So in your opinion how long is the GRASS off the hard surface called ground.
And ball is heavy enough to touch grass and ground same time.
In my opinion, what is important is where did the ball bounce. That is touching the ground for me. Also with soft signals, I think it is out if the fielder claims it.
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Is there any distinction between grass and ground in the laws of the game?
If so you could argue that in most cases the ball never truly touches the ground
It specifically mentions the ground, it never mentions the grass.
"The striker is out Caught if a ball delivered by the bowler, not being a No ball, touches his bat without having previously been in contact with any member of the fielding side and is subsequently held by a fielder as a fair catch before it touches the ground."
Just for clarity, here is the definition of ground: "the solid surface of the earth." and grass: "vegetation consisting of typically short plants with long, narrow leaves that grow on the ground"
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It specifically mentions the ground, it never mentions the grass.
"The striker is out Caught if a ball delivered by the bowler, not being a No ball, touches his bat without having previously been in contact with any member of the fielding side and is subsequently held by a fielder as a fair catch before it touches the ground."
Just for clarity, here is the definition of ground: "the solid surface of the earth." and grass: "vegetation consisting of typically short plants with long, narrow leaves that grow on the ground"
I dont think you should confuse an overall description of the ground taken from a dictionary with what it might mean in a cricketing context.
With no distinction made in the cricketing laws I think we can take as given that the grass should be classed as part of the ground in all cricketing matters
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I dont think you should confuse an overall description of the ground taken from a dictionary with what it might mean in a cricketing context.
With no distinction made in the cricketing laws I think we can take as given that the grass should be classed as part of the ground in all cricketing matters
Eh? Why on earth would we do that? That's daft and illogical. By definition, The grass is not the ground, so why would we pretend that it is. There is no argument in favour of re-defining the ground as being both the solid surface of the earth AND any crop or plant growing on top of it, either through deductive reasoning or matter of precedent.
People have been playing cricket for 100s of years, and the grass has never been considered part of the ground. If there was a particularly long 3 foot strand of grass sticking up in the air, and in taking a slip catch 2 foot off the ground, the ball brushed it on the way to your hand, are you honestly claiming that the ball "hit the ground" an thus you would tell the batsmen he was not out? People would laugh at you.
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Eh? Why on earth would we do that? That's daft and illogical. By definition, The grass is not the ground, so why would we pretend that it is. There is no argument in favour of re-defining the ground as being both the solid surface of the earth AND any crop or plant growing on top of it, either through deductive reasoning or matter of precedent.
People have been playing cricket for 100s of years, and the grass has never been considered part of the ground. If there was a particularly long 3 foot strand of grass sticking up in the air, and in taking a slip catch 2 foot off the ground, the ball brushed it on the way to your hand, are you honestly claiming that the ball "hit the ground" an thus you would tell the batsmen he was not out? People would laugh at you.
Because as I said previously - if the grass and ground are considered different things in the sport of cricket then in most cases the ball never truly touches the ground. As there is always the grass surface seperating the ball from ever touching the soil.
So you could play a perfect cover drive along the grass and be given out caught at cover. Of course that doesnt happen, which is why the grass on the outfield should be and often is classed as part of the ground
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lol. yes. He'd have 100 caps. He's better than Swann.
err, if you're talking about Swann when he was still playing, then don't be ridiculous!
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Can't stop laughing https://streamable.com/ixbfo
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Because as I said previously - if the grass and ground are considered different things in the sport of cricket then in most cases the ball never truly touches the ground. As there is always the grass surface seperating the ball from ever touching the soil.
So you could play a perfect cover drive along the grass and be given out caught at cover. Of course that doesnt happen, which is why the grass on the outfield should be and often is classed as part of the ground
The ground is solid, the grass is not. A ball resting, rolling, or bouncing on the ground is touching the ground by definition.
The grass is not considered to be part of the ground, it never has been and never will be. I repeat - the ground is defined as being the SOLID surface of the earth. Grass is not solid.
This is getting a bit silly. Your argument just doesn't stand up at all.
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err, if you're talking about Swann when he was still playing, then don't be ridiculous!
Actually, their stats are pretty similar, despite Lyon playing half his game in Aus, which is supposedly "the off-spinners graveyard". Personally I think Lyon is the more talented and flexible bowler. Swann quite often cleaned up the tail after Anderson and Broad had knocked over the top order.
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The ground is solid, the grass is not. A ball resting, rolling, or bouncing on the ground is touching the ground by definition.
The grass is not considered to be part of the ground, it never has been and never will be. I repeat - the ground is defined as being the SOLID surface of the earth. Grass is not solid.
This is getting a bit silly. Your argument just doesn't stand up at all.
What is grass if not solid?
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The ground is solid, the grass is not. A ball resting, rolling, or bouncing on the ground is touching the ground by definition.
The grass is not considered to be part of the ground, it never has been and never will be. I repeat - the ground is defined as being the SOLID surface of the earth. Grass is not solid.
This is getting a bit silly. Your argument just doesn't stand up at all.
it was silly a long time ago..
however i would pose one question, which was asked before.. your at lords, their is an even and thick covering of grass, the ball cannot touch the "ground" because of this covering of grass, joe root plays a cover drive that is fielded at cover, Australia appeal for the catch.. the ball has touched the grass not the ground, by you definition he is out caught.
we all know in this case the ball is deemed to have touched the "ground" even though by dictionary definitions it hasn't.
what has been missed here (and is missing alot from the forum atm) is common sense, we all know when the ball has been grounded whether its hit grass or soil without petty and quite frankly ridiculous discussions about it, bottom line is the grass CAN be part of the ground, there are a few and VERY few instances where it is not
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What is grass if not solid?
Definition of solid in this context: "firm, hard, or compact in substance: eg solid ground"
By comparison, grass is soft, weak, dispersed, permeable, non-supporting. If the ground wasn't there, the ball would pass straight through it.
Any further questions?
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your at lords, their is an even and thick covering of grass, the ball cannot touch the "ground" because of this covering of grass
I'll stop you there: any ball resting, rolling or bouncing on the ground is touching the ground, regardless of whether the ground is covered by grass, dust, carpet, whatever. We've already gone over this.
This really isn't complicated, I'm amazed so many people are confused by it.
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I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding going on here, but I think what would illustrate the point that you're trying to make would be if there were a stray blade of grass that was 6 inches long that got clipped by a ball caught cleanly 5 inches above the ground in the slips, that that would not be classed as grounded. That said, the only person who really knows if he got his fingers under the ball is the fielder, and ultimately if it were me, I would say I wasn't sure unless I was absolutely certain none of the ball had caught the ground.
Perhaps we can move on and actually talk about cricket?
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This "debate" appears to be a bit solid. :D
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I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding going on here, but I think what would illustrate the point that you're trying to make would be if there were a stray blade of grass that was 6 inches long that got clipped by a ball caught cleanly 5 inches above the ground in the slips, that that would not be classed as grounded. That said, the only person who really knows if he got his fingers under the ball is the fielder, and ultimately if it were me, I would say I wasn't sure unless I was absolutely certain none of the ball had caught the ground.
Perhaps we can move on and actually talk about cricket?
yes, absolutely, thank you, I made this exact point about 10 posts ago.
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The real question is how long will India last tomorrow?
I suspect the Goat will finish with 10for in the match...
Please can we give up on the Kohli catch. Fine if people aren't going to agree, but the discussions are a bit circular now.
P.s. I am going to delete any more discussions on the catch or the definition of ground vs grass because these are semantics that can't be picked up by a two dimensional camera on tv vs real life.
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I struggled to understand Rahane's approach today. It wasnt like India was chasing 150 odd runs. Agreed that India have a really long tail but all it needs really is 1 good partnership.
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The real question is how long will India last tomorrow?
I suspect the Goat will finish with 10for in the match...
Please can we give up on the Kohli catch. Fine if people aren't going to agree, but the discussions are a bit circular now.
The Goat is class. What are your thoughts on the exchange between Paine and Kohli? Doesn't look great for Paine really after all his chat before hand- perhaps he was just being too honest and living up to the mantra "elite honesty"?!
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Kohli is desperate to win and is intense like Graeme Smith. So it is inevitable there will be flair ups when you have a skipper who can't give an inch.
The reality is there was no swearing no abuse just testosterone and handbags.
I don't think there is much in it.
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Kohli is desperate to win and is intense like Graeme Smith. So it is inevitable there will be flair ups when you have a skipper who can't give an inch.
The reality is there was no swearing no abuse just testosterone and handbags.
I don't think there is much in it.
Agree - no abuse whatsoever. No issues with it. Amusing seeing the Aussies crying wolf about it all.
Thought Kohli should’ve turned around and asked Paine the last time he scored a 100. Surprised Kohli even bothers with him. Only 1 100 in first class cricket.
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Really surprised both Vijay and Rahul remain in squad for rest of the series though good that Mayank has been included (finally!). Should have tried Dhawan with Mayank for rest of the games instead.
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This has been India's worry this entire year. Not having a near perfect XI in the test series in SA, Eng and now Aus. How do you expect to win Tests when you dont even have your openers sorted in these conditions?
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I struggled to understand Rahane's approach today. It wasnt like India was chasing 150 odd runs. Agreed that India have a really long tail but all it needs really is 1 good partnership.
And one overly aggressive shot or two and Aus are into that tail with a looooong time to go. It’s a test match, loads of time to accumulate slowly. Doesn’t have to go at 4+ an over. Grind them down and the runs will flow
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Agree - no abuse whatsoever. No issues with it. Amusing seeing the Aussies crying wolf about it all.
Thought Kohli should’ve turned around and asked Paine the last time he scored a 100. Surprised Kohli even bothers with him. Only 1 100 in first class cricket.
Everything I've seen from the Aussie players has been them saying that everything on the field has been ok, the only thing that has looked bad was kohli deliberately standing in a place that he really had no reason to be in so that he would make contact with Paine.
And was Paine ever really picked to make hundreds?, I was under the assumption that he was picked because he was the best gloveman in Australia, a gritty lower order batsman and a leader of men. I'm sure Virat will have time talk about his pretty hundred when they are debriefing over a probable loss tomorrow. Paine's comment was pretty fair in my opinion, if you act like a peanut on the field, people will just assume that you're a peanut all of the time, ask David Warner.
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Its going to be 1-1 very soon and India have got big problems at the top of the order, Rahul and Vijay can't buy a run, and now Prithvi Shaw is ruled out for the whole series. He is being replaced in the squad by Mayank Agarwal.
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Actually, their stats are pretty similar, despite Lyon playing half his game in Aus, which is supposedly "the off-spinners graveyard". Personally I think Lyon is the more talented and flexible bowler. Swann quite often cleaned up the tail after Anderson and Broad had knocked over the top order.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here I think; my view is, Swann ran through good sides, Lyon does not. Swann was influential in a series win in India and an away Ashes victory - things Lyon is only dreaming of. Swann was a match winner. And, crucially, Lyon only matured into the idea of a test bowler once he had the biggest, nastiest pace attack ahead of him (Mitch 1, Mitch 2, Hazlewood, Cummins etc)...
Thats not to decry Lyon's improvement, or his brilliance as a man to tie up an end. But in English terms, he is more a Giles or Leach than a Swann.
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Kohli to Payne; wow, Mr Paine, your tounge is as abrasive as...sandpaper.
Or:
Is that a wad of secret sandpaper down your pants or are you just pleased to sledge me?
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Once again poor selection of playing XI by Kohli. Probably way over confident to blow away Australia with the pace. It was evident from the press conference before the Perth test. Eventually that over confidence showed in the first session when they allowed Australian openers to forge a 100 run partnership. While Kohli is ultra aggressive while selecting his playing 11, his field settings are defensive most of the times. So many catches went through the slip and gully cordon but he persisted with a strange gap between the slips and the gully. Also despite the pace of the wicket it was strange to see a backward point instead of a wide third-man where so many boundaries went of edges and slashes even could have been caught. Bowlers bowled slightly short in both the innings in hope to get the uneven bounce into play ( just like they exploited in Johannesburg). This pitch probably demanded much fuller lengths aiming at the stumps. Most of the Australian batsmen, just hanged back and left the balls. There were plenty of ooh and aahs and was pretty good viewing though such balls didn't produced wickets.
Considering how Rahul is short of confidence, India should actually consider Pujara as an opener with Vijay and promote Vihari as one down. Pujara is virtually opening in 2018 as the openers are getting out cheaply. Vihari looked solid and number 3 position is not out of place for him as he does play at number 3 for his state. It would be unfair on someone like Mayank to come and perform straight away in Australian conditions.
I would go for the following combination for Melbourne:
1. Vijay
2. Pujara
3. Vihari
4. Kohli
5. Rahane
6. Rohit/Pandya
7. Pant
8. Ashwin/Jadeja
9. Ishant
10. Shami
11. Bhumrah
This combination gives batting depth until 8 and also provide bowling options ( fast and spin ), Ashwin/ Jadeja with Vihari.
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You've got to wonder how Paine's career would've panned had he not got cleaned up by Dirk Nannes back in 2010. Paine seems a natural as captain, more in the Border style. Considering he and Smith debuted together, Paine should've had 50-60 caps but for the 7 finger surgeries. Australia selected a lot of mediocre glovemen Paine's time in the wilderness but Paine's showing that a class gloveman is vital. I liked Paine's exchange with Kohli, nothing personal pretty lighthearted. There's a bell*** currently suspended that probably would've been dishing out f bombs had he been playing. Paine wasn't intimidated by Kohli.
And this talk about Paine's lack of 100s, the great Ian Healy scored 3 Test hundreds but no other fc hundreds. So I don't understand why Paine's copping it
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My team -
1. Parthiv
2. Mayank
3. Pujara
4. Kohli
5. Rahane
6. Vihari
7. Jadeja/Ashwin
8. Bhuvi
9. Ishant
10. Shami
11. Bhumrah
Parthiv opening gives India both an extra batsman and an extra bowler, which they might well need if the MCG is as flat as it has been recently. Bhuvi over Hardik to cause some new ball damage, which is where India lost the Perth test in my opinion.
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Congratulation to Australia. Indian's were over confident selecting 4 seamers.
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My team -
1. Parthiv
2. Mayank
3. Pujara
4. Kohli
5. Rahane
6. Vihari
7. Jadeja/Ashwin
8. Bhuvi
9. Ishant
10. Shami
11. Bhumrah
Parthiv opening gives India both an extra batsman and an extra bowler, which they might well need if the MCG is as flat as it has been recently. Bhuvi over Hardik to cause some new ball damage, which is where India lost the Perth test in my opinion.
What you been drinking? Parthiv Patel’s glove work in more Kamran Akmal than Saha. Throwing into the reckoning that Pant has scored 100, 90 and 90 just prior to this tour. Also Pant aged 21 is the future and Patel aged 35 has flopped many times before.
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Congratulation to Australia. Indian's were over confident selecting 4 seamers.
Good old Virat adamant it was the correct team composition :o
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M. marsh could be in contention for a recall. Handsome looks completely shot with that technique. Warne tipping into him
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What you been drinking? Parthiv Patel’s glove work in more Kamran Akmal than Saha. Throwing into the reckoning that Pant has scored 100, 90 and 90 just prior to this tour. Also Pant aged 21 is the future and Patel aged 35 has flopped many times before.
Well, its a stop gap solution for sure but let me state my case -
Pant's keeping is very mediocre as well and he hasn't really looked like scoring any runs. I don't think he has the technique to withstand the Aussie bowling attack in these conditions. Every time he has scored runs its been on very flat batting tracks. I also don't see him succeeding in New Zealand or South Africa. Not sure he is the future basically. And Parthiv at least will put a price on his wicket. He might not score hundreds but he has repeatedly shown that he is good for 30 to 60 runs. Vijay and Rahul are walking wickets right now.
And playing Parthiv basically gives India the option of either adding an extra batsman down the order for insurance or playing that extra bowler if the pitch is flat or Hardik Pandya without sacrificing Hanuma Vihari who I believe India should stick with and not discard after just one game.
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It will be,
1. Vihari
2. Mayank
3. Pujara
4. Kohli
5. Rahane
6. Pant
7. Pandya
8. Jadeja
9. Ishant
10. Shami
11. Bumrah
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Well, its a stop gap solution for sure but let me state my case -
Pant's keeping is very mediocre as well and he hasn't really looked like scoring any runs. I don't think he has the technique to withstand the Aussie bowling attack in these conditions. Every time he has scored runs its been on very flat batting tracks. I also don't see him succeeding in New Zealand or South Africa. Not sure he is the future basically. And Parthiv at least will put a price on his wicket. He might not score hundreds but he has repeatedly shown that he is good for 30 to 60 runs. Vijay and Rahul are walking wickets right now.
And playing Parthiv basically gives India the option of either adding an extra batsman down the order for insurance or playing that extra bowler if the pitch is flat or Hardik Pandya without sacrificing Hanuma Vihari who I believe India should stick with and not discard after just one game.
I am not convinced with this theory of sending Parthiv as a stopgap opener. In the past India has done this whenever they had struggled with limited success. Considering the success in the Perth, Australia will try again to produce a wicket with pace and bounce in both Melbourne and Sydney, even if they are not traditionally those wickets, they can still be altered to some extent to make them as close to the Perth wicket.
Parthiv's highest score in SA was 19. He is not the type to hang around, he loves playing his shots and might make good 20 or 30 but will eventually fall. His Wicket Keeping is average at best and even though Pant is not great with his WK skills, he is still young and can improve over time and hence it makes sense to invest in him.
India has been lacking a solid start at the top.
Even if that means a really slow start to get the ball old and reach the lunch without much damage.
I remember Aakash Chopra in the past has done this Last tour Vijay was successful in a similar role.
So top 3 in my opinion should have tight technique to handle the new ball on a difficult wicket.
From what I have seen so far, Vijay, Pujara and Vihari have the technique to grind it out.
This will allow Kohli, Rahane, Rohit/Pandya and Pant to play their naturally aggressive game.
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Good explanation!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIj0k-3XLYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIj0k-3XLYo)
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So Shastri confirmed that Jadeja was selected on this tour despite being injured. He was supposed to play in Perth but then they didn't want to play Kuldeep. Seems a bit idiotic
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Well, its a stop gap solution for sure but let me state my case -
Pant's keeping is very mediocre as well and he hasn't really looked like scoring any runs. I don't think he has the technique to withstand the Aussie bowling attack in these conditions. Every time he has scored runs its been on very flat batting tracks. I also don't see him succeeding in New Zealand or South Africa. Not sure he is the future basically. And Parthiv at least will put a price on his wicket. He might not score hundreds but he has repeatedly shown that he is good for 30 to 60 runs. Vijay and Rahul are walking wickets right now.
And playing Parthiv basically gives India the option of either adding an extra batsman down the order for insurance or playing that extra bowler if the pitch is flat or Hardik Pandya without sacrificing Hanuma Vihari who I believe India should stick with and not discard after just one game.
Pant took a worle record 11 dismissals in Adelaide so I'd say his keeping is going fine. Also twice Pant lost his wicket hitting out with the tail as all four are so incompetent with the bat.
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So Shastri confirmed that Jadeja was selected on this tour despite being injured. He was supposed to play in Perth but then they didn't want to play Kuldeep. Seems a bit idiotic
Not a surprise, Sastry is in team due to his friendship/yes man attitude to Kohli. Just trying to cover up the selections of Kohli..
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https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/videos/india-vs-australia-exclusive-should-have-been-upfront-about-jadeja-injury-kumble-1981571.html?ref=hp_top_pos_2 (https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/videos/india-vs-australia-exclusive-should-have-been-upfront-about-jadeja-injury-kumble-1981571.html?ref=hp_top_pos_2)
Long read, but interesting thoughts/analysis from Kumble. Great thinker of the game, India surely miss him as coach.
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I can't say that I have been too impressed with Pujara's technique. He seems to be more like Alistair Cook in that he battles a somewhat dodgy technique by having exceptional powers of concentration and a clear understanding of where his scoring areas are.
In general though, I think you can be too critical of batsman and their weakness when playing in conditions that are vastly different to that which they have been bought up in. Part of the fascination of test match cricket is that the game can be completely different depending where in the world it is being played. Only the very good teams can win consistently away from home on alien conditions
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I can't say that I have been too impressed with Pujara's technique. He seems to be more like Alistair Cook in that he battles a somewhat dodgy technique by having exceptional powers of concentration and a clear understanding of where his scoring areas are.
In general though, I think you can be too critical of batsman and their weakness when playing in conditions that are vastly different to that which they have been bought up in. Part of the fascination of test match cricket is that the game can be completely different depending where in the world it is being played. Only the very good teams can win consistently away from home on alien conditions
His technique is flawed hence why he is vulnerable. However he shows that if you’re prepared to battle hard and stay disciplined you can thrive. Compare that to rahaul, Vijay, dhawan, Rahane, rohit, pants etc etc.. I know which one is a test batter and those who are essentially white ball hitters
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India have announced their XI for the boxing day test,
Mayank Agarwal, Rohit Sharma, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli (capt), Ajinkya Rahane, Hanuma Vihari, Rishabh Pant (wk), Ravindra Jadeja, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah.
Debutant opener Agarwal, Rohit and the supposedly unfit Jadeja all get a game. Vijay's Test career is essentially over with the axe coming again. Rahul test aspirations look to be fading with his axing. Umesh unsurprisingly dropped after mediocre effort in Perth.
Whether it's Rohit or Vihari as makeshift opener tough gig
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Australia have recalled the privileged Mitchell Marsh for the woeful Peter Handscombe.
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His technique is flawed hence why he is vulnerable. However he shows that if you’re prepared to battle hard and stay disciplined you can thrive. Compare that to rahaul, Vijay, dhawan, Rahane, rohit, pants etc etc.. I know which one is a test batter and those who are essentially white ball hitters
Can't agree more.. At this level or any level for that matter, technique is overrated..It's all temperament and the ability to battle it out that matters.
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Can't agree more.. At this level or any level for that matter, technique is overrated..It's all temperament and the ability to battle it out that matters.
Technique only really comes in when the going gets tough (wicket/bowling). It allows you to be out of form more too. However, especially in white ball with roads and little to no swing or seam you’re able to get away with it more Etc. There are upsides to great flat wickets but the downside is compromised techniques and mentalities
We have a club whose wicket is always a road. Great to bat on once a year but take their players from said road and they seem to not have a clue. They just keep trying to play the same shots on the up etc. They are then skittled for little a few times each season. Home form generally gets them a good league spot though so it covers the problem. None of those players (young ones are generally trying to ‘make it’) will never make it as they simply don’t learn how to bat on anything but roads
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Australia have recalled the privileged Mitchell Marsh for the woeful Peter Handscombe.
I’d love to know what the selectors see in the marsh brothers. How many times have they been dropped and reselected.
I know the Aussies are a bit desperate but a few Aussie shield players must be getting tired of overlooked
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I’d love to know what the selectors see in the marsh brothers. How many times have they been dropped and reselected.
I know the Aussies are a bit desperate but a few Aussie shield players must be getting tired of overlooked
The Marsh brothers must be pity selections on the basis that their father played for Australia.
Either way India are similar with Kohli's insistence of picking the hapless Rohit.
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The Marsh brothers seem similar to R brothers (Rohit and Rahul). They keep getting chances again and again even after failing to grab every chance.
Any other new player would have been dropped forever after a couple of failures.. Add to it the issue of Dhoni in ODIs/T20s, but that is for another story :)
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Every team has undropables. England has had a long line in undropables where by people make up loads of reasons as to why they are vital to be kept
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What are the international sides undroppables
Who are England's ?
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Alastair Cook!
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Sydney Barnes
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Cookie gone now and record was crazy good but he was undroppable
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Cook wasnt dropped because he was one of the best 2 openers available to England from the day he debuted till the day he retired. Its a fairly simple concept
What are the international sides undroppables
Who are England's ?
Not sure there is any point to the question
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Cook wasnt dropped because he was one of the best 2 openers available to England from the day he debuted till the day he retired. Its a fairly simple concept
Spot on. Who could have ever been picked instead of him and when would that have coincided with the need to drop him. He had a lot of partners once Strauss retired, and he was usually (without checking the stats) in my opinion the better and more consistent performer between himself and whoever he opened with
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When you're trying to avoid a poor pitch rating and 12 month ban from hosting internationals, but can't help yourself
(https://preview.redd.it/sqsscw7wzh621.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=6a9faa2767e25fae199bcf57ed95cd14d873d3e7)
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Does not look pretty! Just read a long article on cricinfo about Melbournes pitches.
Not sure if you want to bat or bowl first on that, got flatter and slower last year as the days went on
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India bat first
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Vihari does not look like a test match opener
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Wicket looks to be flat and dead with zero seam or swing as of yet.
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Gotta love Kohli's justification of Rohit's selection. 'He can be destructive with the tail'. Kohli obviously salty he had to axe his pet project Rahul so his retort is to get another of his pals back into the playing XI
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Poor old privileged Mitchell Marsh copping it from the irate Victorians.
Anyway this pitch definitely seems a result pitch. Australia bowled far too full in the first session. Agarwal was impressive and Vihari happy to blunt the new ball. Pujara is made for these kind of pitches. Kohli looked pretty scruffy but he's still there.
Variable bounce will be savage by days 3-4-5
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Gotta love Kohli's justification of Rohit's selection. 'He can be destructive with the tail'. Kohli obviously salty he had to axe his pet project Rahul so his retort is to get another of his pals back into the playing XI
Mate at times I really enjoy reading your comments but using words like 'pet' is really not acceptable.
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Mate at times I really enjoy reading your comments but using words like 'pet' is really not acceptable.
If you're offended by pet you wouldnt enjoy playing in my team
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Mate at times I really enjoy reading your comments but using words like 'pet' is really not acceptable.
Makes no sense whatsoever
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Mate at times I really enjoy reading your comments but using words like 'pet' is really not acceptable.
??? Common term used in England, clearly not calling Rahul an animal but hey ho
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??? Common term used in England, clearly not calling Rahul an animal but hey ho
From where I come from, we don't use such words playing in the UAE. However, I did not know its a common word used in England. Thanks for the info mate
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If you're offended by pet you wouldnt enjoy playing in my team
Like I said, its a not common word used here.
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Makes no sense whatsoever
It wont make sense to you anyways. Like I said, its not a term/word we use here. No hard feelings mate. Where I come from, its offensive.
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Credit to Pujara, but this is some turgid cricket
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Test Cricket at its best. India have put themselves in a position where they cannot lose. Now they need a couple of good sessions tomorrow to put Aus under pressure.
Not convinced with the Australian tactic of bowling outside off stump and try to dry up the runs on a pitch like this. They should have attacked the stumps more. Hopefully we will see that tomorrow from Bumrah and Shami.
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What’s happened to Aussie pitches? Shoddy outfields too where good shots are not even going to the boundary.
Extremely poor cricketing wicket - I suppose never judge a wicket till both sides have batted but can’t see a result
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I think variable bounce will play a part on Day 4 and 5. A result is definitely possible.
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Ha! Funny stuff, good going Timmy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WytY2_7CfDc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WytY2_7CfDc)
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Aus batting really is dire
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This Agarwal chap looks a fabulous catcher, makes it look easy.
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Sensational slower ball by Bumrah bamboozles Shaun Marsh. 89-4 at lunch
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this is going to be over quick. India embarrassing the Aussie team. How is it possible that Aus with such a good bowling attack got taken apart, and India aren't even swinging the ball yet have taken 4fer in a session. so much for a dead pitch that doomed the game to a draw. India will win from here with Australia having to follow on.
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Ishant doing great job by hiding seam of ball and nearly took Paine's head off.
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what a mental game, boycott-like batting for two days and only 7 wickets fall and then 15 in one day
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this is going to be over quick. India embarrassing the Aussie team. How is it possible that Aus with such a good bowling attack got taken apart, and India aren't even swinging the ball yet have taken 4fer in a session. so much for a dead pitch that doomed the game to a draw. India will win from here with Australia having to follow on.
Aus batting has been beyond dire. Quite simply pujara and kohlis discipline has shown what was needed and Aus batsmen have been to shot happy
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Bumrah was absolutely class - he was unlucky last test match with a lot of play and missed. The Aussie bowlers getting out bowled at home.
Another failure for mr Paine, he reminds me of those club cricketers you get - Lots of talk, yet they’re rubbish and often an embarrassment to their side.
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That slower ball from Bumrah to get Shaun Marsh LBW is probably the test match ball of the year for me! It was pitch perfect. Great example of using the new gen skills effectively in a test match.
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Bumrah’s the bowler India been looking for since Khan retired. He’s the leader of the attack. His accuracy is incredible considering he was a limited overs specialist before 2018 started.
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Patrick Cummins really should be getting the new ball, he’s vastly more skilled than the overrated Starc and Hazlewood. And in all honesty Cummins and the injury prone Pattinson would be a seriously devastating opening combo
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India eventually set Australia 399 to win. Cummins career best 6-27 and 9 in the match.
Bumrah gets Finch for 3. 6-1.
Picking players because they are 'good blokes' doesn't win you matches. Finch has no business in a test XI
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Fish is disgusting. What a diabolical shot to play as a test match opener but especially when saving a test.
Aus are a shower of &££&)£&£
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Now Harris has gone. ‘Harris was unlucky’ .. no he wasn’t . Men around the bat, battling to save the test.. rule one, do not play hard at the ball... yep, reached and failed and got caught
That’s not unlucky that’s poor technique and mentality
This could be over today with batting like this
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Has anybody found anywhere to watch the highlights for this series that doesn’t involve paying for BT sport?
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Now Harris has gone. ‘Harris was unlucky’ .. no he wasn’t . Men around the bat, battling to save the test.. rule one, do not play hard at the ball... yep, reached and failed and got caught
That’s not unlucky that’s poor technique and mentality
This could be over today with batting like this
All the Aussie wickets are unlucky according to mark waugh etc. Pathetic commentary
Looks like M Marsh failed again too
Thought I would never see the day that the Aussies would be praying for rain
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The Marsh brothers must have some serious dirt on the selectors.
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Its funny that this time last year all the commentators were hailing the return of both Marsh brothers, funny how times have changed.
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What really gets me about the Australian batting is just how bare the cupboard is.
I mean theoretically you could drop all of 1-6, apart from maybe Khawaja, who does have an ok record. Harris is just starting but doesn't look great.
I am interested to know what the Australian Forumites think the reasons are for this??
I know that Smith, Bancroft and Warner will come back that will change things alot. But Bancroft didn't pull up any trees in his fledgling career.
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Mark Waugh's commentary is ridiculous. When Agarwal batted in the first innings 'he's averaging 50 in fc...then again they all do in India. 50 in India is the equivalent of 40 in Australia'. Considering only Khawaja and S Marsh average 40+ in fc shows what an imbecile 'junior' is.
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Pending a miracle day of rain the test is gone. On CA's recent form I don't think there will be significant change for Sydney. So my picks for the Sri Lankan series is as follows.
1. Harris - shown he can play at this level with all his starts and should be backed to play against Sri Lanka. Has a history of starts and not going on with it at shield level also, which is concerning.
2. Burns - in form at shield level and experienced.
3. Khawaga - frustrating player, but one of the first picked batsmen you would think.
4. S Marsh - has the technique and temperament for test cricket just can't put it together. Should make it to the Ashes.
5. Head - much like Harris he should be persisted with despite his brain fades. Obviously being eyed off for future captaincy.
6. Wade - great form in the shield rescuing a woeful tasmanian top order.
7. Paine - doing a good job as a leader and with the gloves and bat. History won't look on him favourably but is doing a good job in a tough transitional phase.
8. Cummins - star player
9. Lyon - has really come on in the last few years. Handy lower order batsman.
10/11. Hazelwood and Starc. Both not at their best recently but have more than enough credits in the bank unless they are rested.
Looking forward Smith will slot straight back in. Bancroft is banished I would think with Warner pretty likely to be back in the fold in my opinion.
I would love for renshaw to be in the team. Probably replacing Harris, however is unpickable due to woeful form.
Finch and especially M Marsh should never play test cricket again.
Some concerning signs about langers coaching. Really wished Gillespie wanted the role.
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The crapness of Mitchell Marsh is actually embarrassing. 1219 runs at 25. But break it down further he scored 416 of those in a 5 innings 'purple patch/fluke' that's 34% of his career tally. The remaining 803 runs he's scored at an average of 18
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There's literally only 7/8 batsmen in Australia averaging over 40 in fc - Smith, Warner, Khawaja, Maxwell, Lynn, patterson , Wade and burns
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Joe burns and wade definitely need to be added to this side.
Made me chuckle:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/cricket/australia/rishabh-pant-hits-back-at-tim-paine-calling-australian-skipper-a-temporary-captain/news-story/331712adcbcba40294e27a0f1c3b43e4 (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/cricket/australia/rishabh-pant-hits-back-at-tim-paine-calling-australian-skipper-a-temporary-captain/news-story/331712adcbcba40294e27a0f1c3b43e4)
Paine better start scoring runs or his head is next on the chopping board (reckon they’ll give him till the ashes though). No one wants the record for being the least successful Aussie Captain
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Standard behaviour from the neanderthals
https://www.google.com/amp/www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25637246/india-furious-kerry-okeeffe-jalandhar-railways-canteen-staff-jibe%3fplatform=amp (https://www.google.com/amp/www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25637246/india-furious-kerry-okeeffe-jalandhar-railways-canteen-staff-jibe%3fplatform=amp)
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England have just the same issue with lack of red ball players and no depth so let’s not cast too many stones but.. it’s concerning that another one of the ‘big 4’ is lacking in quality. This is yet another warning sign after the demise of SA.
There is something about Harris, something to like. However, what he has shown is an inability to adapt and select the right shots at the right time. Now, they can say he will learn etc but shouldn’t he have already learnt it in shield cricket ?? The Bs around him ‘being positive’ and ‘taking the short ball in’ is tripe.. just get out the way.. if you can’t play it and control it and especially Early on or saving a game.. just put it away and show discipline. Hard hands at Jadeja too showed a lack of technique and mentality. Worrying really but he should be given a run
Finch.. well.. retire from red ball and go slog and biff a white ball Around. Stick to what you’re good at
M Marsh.. urgh.. same as finch .. dire again
The game wasn’t lost until Aus batted terribly this second innings as they could and probably should have been able to bat out the day 3-4 down. 150 to get with 6/7 wickets would enable them to look at a last session win or at the least... a draw. This pitch isn’t a minefield
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India wrapped up victory on day 5 after rain wiped out the opening session. Bumrah ended up MoM for the 9 wickets.
Australia’s solution to their batting woes is the inclusion of Marnus Labuschagne for the final test. Another player that’s simply not Test standard
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India wrapped up victory on day 5 after rain wiped out the opening session. Bumrah ended up MoM for the 9 wickets.
Australia’s solution to their batting woes is the inclusion of Marnus Labuschagne for the final test. Another player that’s simply not Test standard
He played in the Kent Premier League a couple of years ago, did well but didn’t ever thing he’d be playing test cricket so soon after
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Another test match where the Aussies couldn’t get the ball to reverse swing. The Indians got some after 50-60 overs.
Hazlewood looks a shadow of himself too
Labyschagne recalled but his 2018 shield season has been poor - surprised joe burns was over looked
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Ponting during his BBL stint was stating the poor state of Aus cricket in reference to test batsmen. He made the observations that anyone who cares about test cricket over white ball has said for years and that this problem has been coming over the last 10-15 years not just the last few seasons.
It’s nice to hear someone like him state the truth even if no one else will.
They were talking about possible replacements but couldn’t actually name anyone for the top 3/4.
I know you guys love our hitting mentality but England are not far off being in the same boat.. lots of 6/7’s but little to no 1/2/3/4’s
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Ponting during his BBL stint was stating the poor state of Aus cricket in reference to test batsmen. He made the observations that anyone who cares about test cricket over white ball has said for years and that this problem has been coming over the last 10-15 years not just the last few seasons.
It’s nice to hear someone like him state the truth even if no one else will.
They were talking about possible replacements but couldn’t actually name anyone for the top 3/4.
I know you guys love our hitting mentality but England are not far off being in the same boat.. lots of 6/7’s but little to no 1/2/3/4’s
Ive enjoyed watching Test cricket in the last year as much as I did 15 years ago. So what if the averages of top 5s around the world are down a few runs. Not sure why there is a need to constantly moan. Sri Lanka putting up a good battle in very alien conditions in NZ. Pak in the game till the 4th innings in SA. India spanking the convicts
Things change and evolve, thats a part of all sports.
And that hitting mentality, which is a pathetic description by the way, has just seen England win 3-0 in Sri Lanka. Would you be happy if they won 4-0?
Anyway very happy Australia have lost. Not won a series since they were found out to be cheating and not reversing the old ball either. Personally Id like some of Starc & Hazlewoods wickets to be removed from their records just like the Russian drug cheats in athletics. Great to see Pant giving it back to Paine yesterday aswell!
Down with the aussies! Happy New Year
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Interesting points. Is it possible the aussie fast bowlers have really been using the sandpaper kind of stuff to pick up lots of wickets in past? So the Starcs, Hazlewoods, Johnsons et all are not as great as they seem to be? Could it extend back even to the McGraths and before era too? I think I saw some articles in media where it was alluded it could have been done in past in Ashes at least I think..
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You might be going a bit too far there. I suspect they'd been at it since the Ashes but that was really the first time they got any significant reverse.
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You might be going a bit too far there. I suspect they'd been at it since the Ashes but that was really the first time they got any significant reverse.
Can you explain Warner wearing hand wraps for the last 5/6/7 years? Sore hands when he fields but able to tee off in global t20 leagues no problem
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Absolutely it had been going on before hand. Warner knew he'd been spotted and find another culprit. Cheats. End of
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Can you explain Warner wearing hand wraps for the last 5/6/7 years? Sore hands when he fields but able to tee off in global t20 leagues no problem
Okay, on the basis that I don't know what if anything was beneath them, let's analyse this. If they had been at it for years, why were they suddenly so much more successful in the final nine months? And what does it say about the sides who got so much more movement than them?
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Think the common denominator here is David Saker. When he became bowling coach for England we suddenly started getting reverse swing on a consistent basis. Just as recently as SL Anderson didn't get any reverse swing.
Now Saker is with Australia they became king of reverse swing.
This is the same David Saker Warne claimed should've played many tests for Australia.
Saker = king of the dark arts
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Wowsers, some pretty big accusations going on in this thread.
I'd definitely make sure I had all the facts before slinging the mud around.
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Ya, without proper proof, we shouldn't be downplaying what have been genuine good performances over the years..Just wristbands, etc., don't suggest much..
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I'd like to believe this was the first time, but Warner having his hands taped up like a boxer for the last year or so makes me pretty suspicious.
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Ya, without proper proof, we shouldn't be downplaying what have been genuine good performances over the years..Just wristbands, etc., don't suggest much..
I think that you lose the right to the benefit of the doubt when you have been caught cheating in the way Australia have. Some thought the bans handed out where disproportionate but the 3 lads seem to be sacrificial lambs offered up to avoid a deeper probe into how long this has been going on for and how many other players knew about this going on.
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I think that you lose the right to the benefit of the doubt when you have been caught cheating in the way Australia have. Some thought the bans handed out where disproportionate but the 3 lads seem to be sacrificial lambs offered up to avoid a deeper probe into how long this has been going on for and how many other players knew about this going on.
And how many other countries?
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And how many other countries?
Valid question.
Given we’ve had over the last few years ..
Pakistan players spot fixing
South African players ball tampering
Indian players banned for match fixing
South African betting scams
Australian players banned for ball tampering
Add that to atherton, Gibbs and co etc etc
No team is clean and these are just the ones that have been caught
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Back to cricket...whats with Australia sticking with the same players instead of giving an opportunity to other players. Still dont understand why Maxwell is not in the scheme of things.
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I'd like to believe this was the first time, but Warner having his hands taped up like a boxer for the last year or so makes me pretty suspicious.
Year or so?! Hes had them most of his career
Heres the thing - I used to treat Australia the same as every other country. Benefit of the doubt, credit where credit is due, play hard on the field and all those other cliches. May the best team win and what happens on the field stays on it
Since i went on the Ashes tour and witnessed what can only be described as a hate campaign in the press against anything english, blind patriotism to the point of criminal injustice and blatant racism in the crowds towards Moeen Ali my feelings have changed somewhat
People seem to have forgotten that David Warner physically assaulted Joe Root a few years back but Root brushed it all under the carpet to prevent it escalating. Roll on a few years and Australia fabricate a story about Bairstow assaulting Bancroft and then giggle about it in a press conference
They deserve all they get. The win at all costs attitude is fine if you dont care what others think. But dont expect sympathy or the benefit of the doubt after that sort of behaviour
I said it last year and was called a troll but their morals are in the gutter
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That is disgusting what you described
I do think the Aussies are different with Paine but they are not as dangerous either
We will see what happens when Warner returns which seems Inevitable
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Warner will never play again for Aus.. they have too much to lose from the short termism
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Back to the cricket, India named a thirteen man squad for the fourth test. Ishant is out with a rib injury and Rohit has returned to India following the birth of his daughter.
Rather strangely Ashwin was reported to have 'failed a fitness test' yet two hours later he was deemed fit.
KL Rahul will open and Vihari back to 6. Rather strange they flew in Pandya yet he's not selected.
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Warner will never play again for Aus.. they have too much to lose from the short termism
Given what paine’s been saying in the press conferences and cricket australia’s Reintergration statement - he’ll definitely walk straight back in the side
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Back to the cricket, India named a thirteen man squad for the fourth test. Ishant is out with a rib injury and Rohit has returned to India following the birth of his daughter.
Rather strangely Ashwin was reported to have 'failed a fitness test' yet two hours later he was deemed fit.
KL Rahul will open and Vihari back to 6. Rather strange they flew in Pandya yet he's not selected.
Pandya is there for the group pics and selfies :D
KL Rahul is very lucky to get another chance given the abysmal form he is in.
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Personally I'd rather not see Warner play again as he seems a questionable individual at the best of times, but at international level you've got to play your best available players. I'd like to think the last year or so will have humbled him and he will return a changed man but I find it doubtful.
As for the Warner hand tape, I would have though that stuff like that would be done by a physio and perhaps be checked by the umpires randomly. I also remember Sachin having similar hand tapings throughout his career, sometimes people have sore hands and fingers. Just a thought.
And if Warner had suspected that he was being watched (which would be the only reason he wouldn't use his magic Ball tampering hand tape and do it himself) there would be no point handing it off to Cameron Bancroft when the blame would just come straight back to himself anyway, I'd hate to let logic get in the way of some spicy speculation but it seems like the anger towards Warner and Australia on here sometimes gets in the way of rational thought process.
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Personally I'd rather not see Warner play again as he seems a questionable individual at the best of times, but at international level you've got to play your best available players. I'd like to think the last year or so will have humbled him and he will return a changed man but I find it doubtful.
As for the Warner hand tape, I would have though that stuff like that would be done by a physio and perhaps be checked by the umpires randomly. I also remember Sachin having similar hand tapings throughout his career, sometimes people have sore hands and fingers. Just a thought.
And if Warner had suspected that he was being watched (which would be the only reason he wouldn't use his magic Ball tampering hand tape and do it himself) there would be no point handing it off to Cameron Bancroft when the blame would just come straight back to himself anyway, I'd hate to let logic get in the way of some spicy speculation but it seems like the anger towards Warner and Australia on here sometimes gets in the way of rational thought process.
Surely if you suspect you're being watched handing the task off to someone else is exactly what you'd do?
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Don’t think he wore the taping in Odi cricket (might be wrong)
Anyway Cummings puzzled as to why the Aussies can’t get the old ball off the straight
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25659651/pat-cummins-australia-puzzle-lack-old-ball-help (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/25659651/pat-cummins-australia-puzzle-lack-old-ball-help)
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And if Warner had suspected that he was being watched (which would be the only reason he wouldn't use his magic Ball tampering hand tape and do it himself) there would be no point handing it off to Cameron Bancroft when the blame would just come straight back to himself anyway, I'd hate to let logic get in the way of some spicy speculation but it seems like the anger towards Warner and Australia on here sometimes gets in the way of rational thought process.
It wasnt magic ball tampering hand tape. It was sandpaper that he was hiding in his hand tape. Sandpaper cut to perfect size to fit under the tape
This theory about Bancroft would definitely be a possibility for the average bloke. But David Warner is a very simple, primitive man, have you heard him try to speak? I honestly dont think any of those permutations ran through his head. '(No Swearing Please), ive been caught, pass the buck' is all that happened im afraid
I think when this all happened Australias first thought was to not ever have Warner back. Hes let them down a few times with his temper and behavoir. However, the media spin from CA recently has been more towards getting him back in. Obviously due to Australias poor batting performances since March they felt they couldn't just ignore a bloody good opening bat
Those Smith and Bancroft interviews have made that possibility alot more complicated
Anyway - off to the SCG tomorrow so hoping for India to bat first and knock up 500. In the members tomorrow and sitting with the India fans on day 2. Oooooo Ravi Jadejaaaaaaa
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First thing I would do if I thought I was being watched would be to just stop all together, I'd imagine that would be most if not everyone's reaction.
Through of this, some of which I probably agree with to some extent, it's all speculation, I would imagine that once the news broke in SA about the ball tampering and then allegations about the ashes followed, every broadcaster would have gone over all the footage of the Aussies in the field through that series with a fine tooth comb, and if I remember correctly, the only thing they found was Bancroft with a packet of sugar in his pocket after a tea break. If it was happening to the extent that everybody believes and if Warner is the simpleton that everyone claims, there would surely be some footage that proves this theory unequivocally.
Anywho, let's hope the SCG has a bit of life in it, hearing word that Finch and Marsh have been dumped for Labuschagne and Handscomb with Labuschagne to bat at 3..Joe Burns and Matt Wade would be hurting a bit right now I'd imagine.
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Anywho, let's hope the SCG has a bit of life in it, hearing word that Finch and Marsh have been dumped for Labuschagne and Handscomb with Labuschagne to bat at 3..Joe Burns and Matt Wade would be hurting a bit right now I'd imagine.
Read a strange article with quotes from Paine suggesting that Australia would be happy to pick Labuschagne as the 2nd spinner/all rounder IF India played Ashwin as their 2nd spinner. Seemed a bit reactive which is strange from the home team
Same article had a feature on Wade saying hes averaged 67 in Shield cricket since Australia dropped him. Id say he can feel very unluckly not to have got a game in the past year!
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Same article had a feature on Wade saying hes averaged 67 in Shield cricket since Australia dropped him. Id say he can feel very unluckly not to have got a game in the past year!
Given Wade bowls functional medium pace he has a good argument that he should have played the last test ahead of Marsh M...
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India won the toss and bat. Rahul and Kuldeep replace Rohit and Ishant.
Marnus and Handscombe replace Finch and Mitchell Marsh
India clearly played for the toss with 2 fast bowlers and 2 spinners
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Good 1st session, bit of everything. I think India have batted really well, pitch looks fairly lively
Currently feel like Ace Ventura when he was trapped in the Rhino
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Pujara having the series that will define his career. 3 hundreds in Australia no mean feat
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Its amazing how you nicely left out England and the various times they have cheated and have admitted to tampering the ball.
Valid question.
Given we’ve had over the last few years ..
Pakistan players spot fixing
South African players ball tampering
Indian players banned for match fixing
South African betting scams
Australian players banned for ball tampering
Add that to atherton, Gibbs and co etc etc
No team is clean and these are just the ones that have been caught
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I thought you said he was rubbish ;)
He's no Paul Collingwood ;) but Pujara's turned the corner. No longer only a subcontinent specialist
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Its amazing how you nicely left out England and the various times they have cheated and have admitted to tampering the ball.
He did mention Athers though, and crucially stated that every team has been at it for years - which is absolutely true in terms of them finding creative ways to duff up a ball. Not sure that taking actual sandpaper onto a pitch has happened all that often though.
On Pujara though, he's always been a top player in my eyes, fantastic powers of concentration. Really pleased for him that he's managed to put a few scores together.
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Its amazing how you nicely left out England and the various times they have cheated and have admitted to tampering the ball.
Did you miss the bit about Athers or that every team is at it ??
Anyway, it’s an emotive subject where peoooe wither couldn’t care less about cheating so ignore it or get so enraged that their team does it or gets caught they become blinded.
Pujara.. what can you say.. isn’t the best player by a long way but boy does he know how to play test cricket. Leaves well and waits for he shits he wants to play. Literally every England player including root should watch, the notes and replicate
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Did you miss the bit about Athers or that every team is at it ??
Anyway, it’s an emotive subject where peoooe wither couldn’t care less about cheating so ignore it or get so enraged that their team does it or gets caught they become blinded.
Pujara.. what can you say.. isn’t the best player by a long way but boy does he know how to play test cricket. Leaves well and waits for he shits he wants to play. Literally every England player including root should watch, the notes and replicate
Interesting that you attribute all the qualities of an excellent player and say that Pujara is the best player by a long way. Curious to know what is the best player in Tests then.
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The conditions in this series have really played to Pujara's strengths and he has taken full advantage. He showed during India's tour of England last year that he is all at sea against the moving ball, but where the bowling is gun barrel straight and there is little pace or bounce in the wickets, there is no one around with better concentration and endurance. I can't say it's been much of a spectacle to watch this series as a neutral, but that's the fault of the groundsmen not the players and Pujara is perfectly suited to the attritional cricket that the pitches have demanded
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The conditions in this series have really played to Pujara's strengths and he has taken full advantage. He showed during India's tour of England last year that he is all at sea against the moving ball, but where the bowling is gun barrel straight and there is little pace or bounce in the wickets, there is no one around with better concentration and endurance. I can't say it's been much of a spectacle to watch this series as a neutral, but that's the fault of the groundsmen not the players and Pujara is perfectly suited to the attritional cricket that the pitches have demanded
I thought Pujara acquitted himself quite well on the tour, got a big score and looked decent mostly. Probably their second best bat in the Tests vs England.
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Its amazing how you nicely left out England and the various times they have cheated and have admitted to tampering the ball.
Go on then I'll bite, what are these 'various times' they have admitted to ball tampering.
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Looked like a walking wicket against the moving ball in my view with a very predictable pattern of dismissals. Averages of 29 in England, 15 in NZ and 32 in SA give a pretty clear picture of his technique against lateral movement.
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Pujara is an attritional batsmen. He’s not even close to being technically perfect but, and here is the key bit.. he knows his game, his plans and has the discipline to execute.
That compare to Rabaul, Vijay, dhawan, rahane and whoever else is a golden child of white ball cricket in India who can play shots alone but lack discipline. That’s what is required in the top 3 of test cricket.
It’s not a very good series really but it’s good to see someone just leave outside off and the short ball and force bowlers to bowl to them. Just watch other players who simply can’t leave and flap at short bowling
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3 tons in a 4 match series is pretty good going. Perth and Adelaide were fairly bowler friendly and there were alot of plays and misses in the first session yesterday aswell, not sure if that was due to movement
Technique is overrated anyway to be honest, mindset and mentality is everything. Hats off to Pujara!
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Pujara 193, Pant 142* and Jadeja 81* close Australia out of the series 605-6 currently. Some devilish hitting by the sword wielding Jadeja
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Love seeing Australia suffer. The arrogance and total disrespect for their opponents over the years makes watching them battle so sweet.
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Love seeing Australia suffer. The arrogance and total disrespect for their opponents over the years makes watching them battle so sweet.
lol.
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Pujara 193, Pant 142* and Jadeja 81* close Australia out of the series 605-6 currently. Some devilish hitting by the sword wielding Jadeja
True tht. Done and dusted.
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Warne talking how OZ can win LOL :D :D
Bowl them out and then just bat out the rest of the match. Even in the final hours when the captains can agree to finish just keep batting on.
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Warne talking how OZ can win LOL :D :D
Bowl them out and then just bat out the rest of the match. Even in the final hours when the captains can agree to finish just keep batting on.
"Interesting suggestion from Shane Warne on air. Because Australia needs to win this match, the only way is for Australia to declare just 1 run past the follow on mark and pass it on to Virat Kohli. See if he wants to bat out a draw or give something to the Aussies to chase and win."
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"Interesting suggestion from Shane Warne on air. Because Australia needs to win this match, the only way is for Australia to declare just 1 run past the follow on mark and pass it on to Virat Kohli. See if he wants to bat out a draw or give something to the Aussies to chase and win."
Making India set a score is the option once a team scores this many. Once a team scores this many the chances of winning for the oppo are small, regardless of format. At least Aus can ensure India can’t win (or try) rather than just give it away.
Chances Of these Aus batsmen not playing shot and flapping at short balls is slim tho
Bat for as long as possible and see how much of the game is left. Certainly don’t try and score quickly or you’ll be bowled out for far less and India will be in the box seat with sessions to bowl you out on day 5. Aus need to bat for all of day 3 and pretty much 4 or they’ll most likely lose easily
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Talk about an onslaught
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I think it's all pretty immateriell, there is 0 chance australia get anywhere near winning this test.
I guess Warnes mindset is born of being part of such an exception side that believed every game was there to be won.
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Warne's delusions have no limits. For Australia to avoid the follow on they'd have to bat until lunch day 4, unless someone like Head slogs a rapid fire century. The Australian bowlers like dead on their feet so I doubt they have any thought of bowling again
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Aussies have also picked the odi squad
Looks like a complete mess ahead of the WC with siddle recalled
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I like the idea of Kohli setting them a reasonable target to chase, but he's no inclination to do so. Series is done, would they risk losing this test for entertainment alone? I'd like to think so, but who knows what they'd do. You also require Australia to actually score enough to avoid the follow on as well to even get into that situation.
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i have Australia to lose by an innings, rather than even think about India setting a target.
I wonder what the Aussie public are thinking about the "elite honesty" and "gaining the respect of our country and fans is as high priority as winning" etc...
Problem is when you are getting flogged for 600 (at home) and joking around being all nice about it, do you gain the respect for being awful, in a country that has pretty much only ever known being excellent at cricket.
Looking at the ODI squad it might not get any better in that format either.
I think the biggest series in a very very long time is coming up for Australian cricket - they start a 2 test series at home against Sri Lanka on 24th Jan. Losing at home to India is one thing but lose at home to Sri Lanka and there will be proper questions asked.
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India building towards a very good side. They've got a few gaps to fill. Rahane and Vihari are under threat from the guys piling runs on in domestic cricket. India probably have to the decision to have Jadeja as number 1 spinner over the injury prone Ashwin.
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Class will out with Rahane. Vihari has played only 5 away Tests and looks to have something. India are more likely to build if they pick the players they think have something and stick with them.
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Class will out with Rahane. Vihari has played only 5 away Tests and looks to have something. India are more likely to build if they pick the players they think have something and stick with them.
There's a youngster in the Ranji currently scoring runs for fun. Gill from Punjab, he was actually better than Shaw at u19 level.
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There's a youngster in the Ranji currently scoring runs for fun. Gill from Punjab, he was actually better than Shaw at u19 level.
Different format, but he looked good in the IPl for kkr last season. All the commenters were saying he has a very good future ahead of him.
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Ridiculous stat I noticed during the last test, but only just remembered about it and checked it all now.
Of the 8 Indians to bat in the first innings, 6 of them have first class triple hundred. Funnily enough the 2 without are Rahane and Kohli.
Not a single Oz batsmen has 1
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Love seeing Australia suffer. The arrogance and total disrespect for their opponents over the years makes watching them battle so sweet.
Couldn’t agree more with this post.
A few months off but I am really hope for a Whitewash in the Ashes with the Aussies getting battered every match. Starc stilling looking off the boil at the moment and Cummings & Lyon not as effective in this match so far as the last.
Think the Indians will will be a landslide as can only see Khawaja able to bat for any length of time
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I think it's all pretty immateriell, there is 0 chance australia get anywhere near winning this test.
I guess Warnes mindset is born of being part of such an exception side that believed every game was there to be won.
Aus can’t realistically win but Paine has to try and tempt India into doing something daft or at least not losing. That means batting for at least 5 session did not six. Whether they score 620 kinda doesn’t matter, just get circa 475+.. declare if you’re not all our (or slog out at the end of the sixth session) and say to kohli ‘go on, set us a target’.. then see if a) he chooses to b) the wicket skittles them and you get a sniff c) they do set a target then choose if you go for it or not
Chances are kohli will bat them out the game rather than risk the series which is fair enough but all Paine can do is ensure the draw is the worst that can happen but try and tempt India to give them a sniff.
This is where draw cricket can be interesting as it’s nkt just about the runs you score etc.
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Love seeing Australia suffer. The arrogance and total disrespect for their opponents over the years makes watching them battle so sweet.
the only problem is that the arrogant ones are not suffering... they are actually going to make a "triumphant return" and "save aussie cricket". Tim Paine is a great guy, and doesn't deserve this punishment... the ones who do are actually sitting pretty (seeing the team crumble without them).
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I am aware of Gill but he is very young. But Vihari has a phenomenal first class record, he can’t have earned that without having the tools. He also got a stinker of a decision.
Rahane has hundreds every where, you don’t throw that away.
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I am aware of Gill but he is very young. But Vihari has a phenomenal first class record, he can’t have earned that without having the tools. He also got a stinker of a decision.
Rahane has hundreds every where, you don’t throw that away.
KP
Bell
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Just about to praise the openers start.. Harris tries to slog a spinner and is nearly out.. wtf
Just pat it back and wait for the bad ball ffs
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I am aware of Gill but he is very young. But Vihari has a phenomenal first class record, he can’t have earned that without having the tools. He also got a stinker of a decision.
Rahane has hundreds every where, you don’t throw that away.
Vihari might have a great fc record but he was pretty hopeless when the Aussies bombed him with the chin music. As for Rahane, yes in the past he scored runs everywhere, but in his last 40 innings he's scored a solitary century.
Gill is about to reach 1000 fc in a mere 15 innings and despite the small sample size he got an eye watering average above 80!
India have a few Test against weaker opposition before the head to New Zealand next year for Tests, it's the correct time for a youngster like Gill to get his opportunity.
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Ridiculous stat I noticed during the last test, but only just remembered about it and checked it all now.
Of the 8 Indians to bat in the first innings, 6 of them have first class triple hundred. Funnily enough the 2 without are Rahane and Kohli.
Not a single Oz batsmen has 1
Pretty sure that Sir Jadeja has three triple centuries as per Michael Hussey's knowledge :o
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Brain dead
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Pretty sure that Sir Jadeja has three triple centuries as per Michael Hussey's knowledge :o
Some unbelievable high scores in that Indian batting line up
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Aussies saved by a bit of rain. Some of the shots were really poor especially on a flat wicket. Particularly Khawaja’s shot.
You could argue only Paine was got out but then again it’s not a great batsman anyway
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Poor from Aus again. Batsmen quite simply playing too many shots for the situation. Nothing more nothing less. No brain and no willingness to adapt. It’s ‘positive’ crixket or nothing with these guys. That’s white ball mentality
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Vihari might have a great fc record but he was pretty hopeless when the Aussies bombed him with the chin music. As for Rahane, yes in the past he scored runs everywhere, but in his last 40 innings he's scored a solitary century.
Gill is about to reach 1000 fc in a mere 15 innings and despite the small sample size he got an eye watering average above 80!
India have a few Test against weaker opposition before the head to New Zealand next year for Tests, it's the correct time for a youngster like Gill to get his opportunity.
That same logic got Ollie Pope selected.
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That same logic got Ollie Pope selected.
TBH Pope debuted against a pretty outstanding bowling unit.
Should Gill debut India's next Test assignments are against Zimbabwe and Windies by far an easier task.
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Plus I think we’ll hear a lot more from Mr Pope in the future
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I agree Fattus, but like teenagers under a bridge, it all came a little too soon.
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TBH Pope debuted against a pretty outstanding bowling unit.
Should Gill debut India's next Test assignments are against Zimbabwe and Windies by far an easier task.
Why shouldn’t Vihari get that chance? Are you sure Gill is imperious against the short ball?
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Why shouldn’t Vihari get that chance? Are you sure Gill is imperious against the short ball?
During the u19 World Cup Gill was the standout batsman and he wasn't intimidated by any of the genuinely quick bowlers, the young Aussies where particularly quick only in fact out paced by the Indian opening duo.
Vihari may well still get a chance as India's weakness is at 5 and 6.
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Raining on the final morning too. Looks like the Aussies will get lucky with this test.
Aussies could end the series with no centurions - can’t remember the last time that happened at home
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Apparently Aus only had 4 test centuries in all of 2018, which led to the first time more 5-fers were taken in test cricket as compared to tons. 4 tons in the entire year sounds pretty bad!
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Ind Vs Aus 1st ODI - Any predictions?
Aus need to negotiate the Indian spin attack well, else they will have no chance.
Additional advantage to Aus with the absence of Bhumra as Indian fast bowling does not look so effective when any of their top line bowler (B.Kumar and J.Bhumra ) are out of the team.
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India are without KL Rahul and Hardik Pandya after both where suspended after they made startling comments regarding women.
That aside India will win. They have Kohli. Case closed
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Kohli out for three in a run chase... Absolute scenes.
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Dhoni batting himself into a hole a bit here. Edit - hes just put Lyon into the 2nd tier
I can take or leave most of the aussie commentators but have enjoyed Brad Haddin today
Bit of an awkward moment when Mark Waugh asked Isa Guha which team she would be supporting in the World Cup
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India have got to 20 overs without hitting a single 4. New record
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India are without KL Rahul and Hardik Pandya after both where suspended after they made startling comments regarding women.
That aside India will win. They have Kohli. Case closed
😲🦶
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Dhoni pretty much cost his side again by batting slow. He’s done that countless times
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Dhoni pretty much cost his side again by batting slow. He’s done that countless times
To be fair to Dhoni he recovered from 3-4 and was well set with Sharma with the aussies starting to panic when he was on the wrong end of a horrendous LBW decision, ball pitched miles outside leg.
Having watched the whole innings I would attatch more blame to Rayudu and DK who look at least 1 level below the rest of Indias top 6. Jadeja batted poorly aswell
Finch captained quite well and Richardson was the stand out bowler on either team
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To be fair to Dhoni he recovered from 3-4 and was well set with Sharma with the aussies starting to panic when he was on the wrong end of a horrendous LBW decision, ball pitched miles outside leg.
Having watched the whole innings I would attatch more blame to Rayudu and DK who look at least 1 level below the rest of Indias top 6. Jadeja batted poorly aswell
Finch captained quite well and Richardson was the stand out bowler on either team
Although I agree with some of your points about the other batsmen, it has to be said that Rohit was also in at 4-3 and he finished 133 off 129, not 51 off 96 like Dhoni!
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Although I agree with some of your points about the other batsmen, it has to be said that Rohit was also in at 4-3 and he finished 133 off 129, not 51 off 96 like Dhoni!
Very true but Dhoni was denied the chance to catch up by the umpire. I think Sharma was on 80 odd balls when he reached 50 so not much faster than MSD
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To be fair to Dhoni he recovered from 3-4 and was well set with Sharma with the aussies starting to panic when he was on the wrong end of a horrendous LBW decision, ball pitched miles outside leg.
Having watched the whole innings I would attatch more blame to Rayudu and DK who look at least 1 level below the rest of Indias top 6. Jadeja batted poorly aswell
Finch captained quite well and Richardson was the stand out bowler on either team
Miles outside leg, not sure about that. Looked a good decision live so can understand why ump gave it and he played all around it for a change. Shame no reviews left, that's the game though and human error.
But he has done it numerous times, comes in and eats up balls. Thing for me is he doesn't even look to rotate strike or score, just dead bats it
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Very true but Dhoni was denied the chance to catch up by the umpire. I think Sharma was on 80 odd balls when he reached 50 so not much faster than MSD
I realise what you are saying and it's true but the way Dhoni is batting there is no way he is making up that number of balls. It simply isn't the 1st time he has done it, and in all seriousness Pant should be playing.
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Given the rumblings about dhoni and his involvement in betting (that was covered up) - makes you wonder when he bats like this.
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Miles outside leg, not sure about that. Looked a good decision live so can understand why ump gave it and he played all around it for a change. Shame no reviews left, that's the game though and human error.
But he has done it numerous times, comes in and eats up balls. Thing for me is he doesn't even look to rotate strike or score, just dead bats it
It wouldnt even have been close to umpires call if reviewed so thats far enough to say bad decision.
I cant argue about him eating up balls, he has done that for ages but always backed himself to catch up later and win the game. Which to be fair he has done more times than most over the years
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Given the rumblings about dhoni and his involvement in betting (that was covered up) - makes you wonder when he bats like this.
Borderline slander. Im sure you have more evidence to back it up though.
If scoring a 50 and being given out to a contentious decision is suspicious behaviour then we cant trust much of any sort of cricket
I prefer to put it down to an all-time-great of limited overs cricket being past his best but still game
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Dhoni has been a hindrance for along time now. The man lacks self respect to retire as he's now holding back the ODI side and Pant's career. These Asian players are greedy and often hang around long past their sell by dates. Rayudu is another flat track bully. There's better batsmen in India missing out to mediocre players like Dhoni and Rayudu
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You don’t blame dhoni, if you’re in a position earning 30m a year why give it up. You’d want to carry on 2-3 years past your best.
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You don’t blame dhoni, if you’re in a position earning 30m a year why give it up. You’d want to carry on 2-3 years past your best.
Exactly this.. keeps the dough rolling in
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You don’t blame dhoni, if you’re in a position earning 30m a year why give it up. You’d want to carry on 2-3 years past your best.
Well Dhoni knows whatever pathetic performances he serves up he’ll still get selected as the selection panel are too weak to axe the man whom lead them to the ICC World Cup, ICC champions trophy and the World T20. Dhoni is essentially holding them hostage.
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Exactly this.. keeps the dough rolling in
He’s got the Floyd Mayweather delusions...we know he’s rich just clear off now.
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He’s got the Floyd Mayweather delusions...we know he’s rich just clear off now.
Meh, people like money so will earn as much as they can when they can. That’s the society we have now. Can’t blame him. Only people at fault are the sides who pick him.
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Dhoni has been a hindrance for along time now. The man lacks self respect to retire as he's now holding back the ODI side and Pant's career. These Asian players are greedy and often hang around long past their sell by dates. Rayudu is another flat track bully. There's better batsmen in India missing out to mediocre players like Dhoni and Rayudu
Not sure why you would pick out Asian players. I am not sure there are many people across the world in any profession who would turn down the chance to earn large sums of money if presented with the opportunity.
Nor do I see a lack if self awareness about the right time to call it a day being somehow a feature of Asian players. Alistair Cook lacked the self awareness to recognise that he had no place leading the ODI side and the results since his enforced departure have demonstrated how much of a hindrance both his own form and his limited leadership qualities had on that side. When you look at the mental qualities required to make it to the top level, a belief in yourself is certainly one of those, even if others don't share it. I can't think of many top players who went out by their own choice at the top of their game
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Not sure why you would pick out Asian players. I am not sure there are many people across the world in any profession who would turn down the chance to earn large sums of money if presented with the opportunity.
Nor do I see a lack if self awareness about the right time to call it a day being somehow a feature of Asian players. Alistair Cook lacked the self awareness to recognise that he had no place leading the ODI side and the results since his enforced departure have demonstrated how much of a hindrance both his own form and his limited leadership qualities had on that side. When you look at the mental qualities required to make it to the top level, a belief in yourself is certainly one of those, even if others don't share it. I can't think of many top players who went out by their own choice at the top of their game
Flintoff (injury sure, but would have continued otherwise)
Strauss
Kallis
Smith
Hussey
McGrath
Warne
Murali
Sanga
Mahela
Probably the only ones who still had the skills to offer I suppose
You could add tresco (mental illness). I’d love to add saxhin/Ponting but they left when form had pretty much gone
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Dhoni with his current form with his wicket keeping, his experience to help out the team in pressure situations and tactical decisions alone merit his selection in the one day side. His batting has gone downhill specially his inability to rotate strike since quite a while and opposition teams have successfully used it against him. With worldcup round the corner he needs to find a way to get over this whether that requires taking some risks at the start. He is still one of the fittest. He needs a specific role to go out all guns blazing without the responsibility of finishing the game. The tag of best finisher is weighing him down.
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Flintoff (injury sure, but would have continued otherwise)
Strauss
Kallis
Smith
Hussey
McGrath
Warne
Murali
Sanga
Mahela
Probably the only ones who still had the skills to offer I suppose
You could add tresco (mental illness). I’d love to add saxhin/Ponting but they left when form had pretty much gone
But of that list a number carried on cashing in by continuing playing in the T20 leagues when they were a shadow of what they had been. I don't blame them one bit. When cricket is your job, few would turn down serious monet if the offers keep coming in
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Probably the most recent retiree at the top of his game would be AB. Then again that had something to do with south africa’s quota policy
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You don’t blame dhoni, if you’re in a position earning 30m a year why give it up. You’d want to carry on 2-3 years past your best.
On the other hand, you could argue that being one of the richest cricketers, he shouldn't really be looking to get those few extra bucks at the cost of permanently damaging his reputation. I am sure if he leaves after the WC, he will be more remembered for his "selfishness" and possibly costing the country a shot at the WC more than his good contributions in the earlier years.
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I believe it's been more than 3 years that Dhoni has been struggling to get his team out of trouble or even giving impetus to the end score.
Now if India is playing Dhoni in their team then they must be considering 1 batsman short. Do not think R.Pant is an immediate solution to that.
Pant has not shown that he can hold up himself at ODI levels, India has pulled this situation on themselves by not trying other WK-Batsmen options earlier.
Their batting only depends upon the top 3 rest are just travelers, they have no reliable power hitter in their line up.
You can not consider H.Pandya a hitter who can only target spinners and there are not many teams who rely on spinners in the last 10.
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Flintoff (injury sure, but would have continued otherwise)
Strauss
Kallis
Smith
Hussey
McGrath
Warne
Murali
Sanga
Mahela /quote]
Would beg a differ to this list.
Flintoff:-Believe reoccurring injuries forced him out of the game not his own conscious.
Strauss- In his last 19 matches he got 3 "100" only.
Smith :-Last 22 matches 4 "100"
Mahela:- His 63% (more than 7000 out of 11000) of runs are in SL so cannot say when was his prime(not saying he was not a good batsman).
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I believe it's been more than 3 years that Dhoni has been struggling to get his team out of trouble or even giving impetus to the end score.
Now if Indian is playing Dhoni in their team they must be considering 1 batsman short. Do not think R.Pant is an immediate solution to that.
Pant has not shown that he can hold up himself at ODI levels, India has pulled this situation on themselves by not trying other WK-Batsmen options earlier.
Their batting only depends upon the top 3 rest are just travelers, they have no reliable power hitter in their line up.
You can not consider H.Pandya a hitter who can only target spinners and there are not many teams who rely on spinners in the last 10.
So you're determining that Pant's not an ODI player based on 3 matches where he only batted twice and out of position? Pant's batting is clearly a level above Dhoni's. For all Dhoni's hype he was a flat track bully. He's not scored a single century outside Asia in ODIs or Tests. Pant at 4 would change the entire dynamic of their side
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Pant looks like he's enjoying himself.
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Dhoni needs to go definitely but he is not the only issue in this batting line up. I dont think Rayudu and Karthik deserve their places. Neither have shown good form outside India. India might as well give a chance to youngsters like Gill and Pant.
Pandya is a big setback too. Damn the coffee!!
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So you're determining that Pant's not an ODI player based on 3 matches where he only batted twice and out of position? Pant's batting is clearly a level above Dhoni's. For all Dhoni's hype he was a flat track bully. He's not scored a single century outside Asia in ODIs or Tests. Pant at 4 would change the entire dynamic of their side
As I said R.Pant is not an immediate solution to the problem India has created for themselves, and my assessment is not based on his batting at ODI levels but the 3 test series that he has played so far.
Both his "100"s came in less consequential matches, most of his shots were arial and in most of them he lost his shape while playing them, had it been T20I or ODI these lofted shots would have been easy catches.
As for M.S. Dhoni I guess he is the only player to score 10000 ODI runs who bats at no. 5-6 (most runs at that no.) there are very few players who gets the time or no. of balls to score a 100 at the slot (remember India always had a very formidable batting line up and to getting those runs there is a big deal). And I would say he has been successful in all ODI conditions barring SA.
But right now he is well past his prime and at this point this is hurting team's combination. With his technique and method he can not be slotted at no. 4. And as I said its too late for India to change any thing.
You can only have 13 player in the WC ODIs team, so having 3 WK in it will not be a good idea when they are already struggling to find a no. 6 bowler, and out of these three choices only DK can field in the out field.
Hence I said they are too deep to come out of it.
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298 looks like a good score. Lovely 100 by marsh
Finch fails yet again - really is struggling, then again hardly scores against the big sides - prefers to bully the weaker sides
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298 looks like a good score. Lovely 100 by marsh
Finch fails yet again - really is struggling, then again hardly scores against the big sides - prefers to bully the weaker sides
True. Out of his 11 ODI 100’s 6 are against England, 2 against India, 2 against SA and 1 against Scotland 🤔🤔🤔
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Some lovely shots from Kohli this morning. All set up for another Shaun Marsh ton in a losing effort
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Another ton for the man. Nobody is even close to him when chasing.
Dhoni however is a fraud.
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Another ton for the man. Nobody is even close to him when chasing.
Dhoni however is a fraud.
Quote of the month 😁
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India win by 6 wickets Dhoni with a red inker...Kohli is literally in a class of his own, the rest are merely competing to try stay in his slipstream.
Siddle and Lyon as useless as you'll find in limited overs cricket
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Quote of the month 😁
Still shouldn't have left that as late as he did. The man is past it and hindering India's middle order.
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LIAM DAWSON
Siddle and Lyon as useless as you'll find in limited overs cricket
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Everyone praising Dhoni in media but if not for DK knock, Ind would have lost. 100 SR from Dhoni these days is like 250 SR from others from the reactions in media. Remains to be seen if he can be consistent..
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Everyone praising Dhoni in media but if not for DK knock, Ind would have lost. 100 SR from Dhoni these days is like 250 SR from others from the reactions in media. Remains to be seen if he can be consistent..
Right now DK is their Finisher and the only person who can give some impetus to the potential score, but unfortunately he is the first one to be axed from the team in case of any change is required.
Should India look towards him as a Wk and dropping Dhoni and adding someone else who can bowl a bit in case there is a need of 6th bowler??
Indian had to keep bowling Md. Siraj even when he was going for runs and looking really rusty.
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Incredible to think that all 39 of Kohli's centuries have come against Test playing nations, He's not padded his stats against the part timers
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He’s a phenomenal player, but Sri Lanka and West Indies, caps in hand, often provide associate level performances in India.
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Right now In ODIs and T20I only R.Sharma can stand in same league as that of V.Kolhi.
Both have been super consistent and effective in ODIs and T20I in last 3-3.5 years regardless opposition and conditions
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He’s a phenomenal player, but Sri Lanka and West Indies, caps in hand, often provide associate level performances in India.
Tbh Kohli took Malinga's soul with the continual beating he handed out on the Slinga.
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Right now In ODIs and T20I only R.Sharma can stand in same league as that of V.Kolhi.
Both have been super consistent and effective in ODIs and T20I in last 3-3.5 years regardless opposition and conditions
Not in a million years. Rohit is the master of flat tracks. If there's anything in the pitch he's first to go missing
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Right now In ODIs and T20I only R.Sharma can stand in same league as that of V.Kolhi.
Both have been super consistent and effective in ODIs and T20I in last 3-3.5 years regardless opposition and conditions
Think Ross Taylor is second right now post WC. His record in odi cricket has been outstanding
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Ross Taylor’s record in any era would stand up. He’s unlucky by the fact KW is a consummate player.
I still remember him pumping Pakistan all over India in the 2011 WC. 6 after 6!
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Kohli looks like he’s got this easy chase in the bag
Bizarre seletions from Aussies - Stanlake has been smashed around the BBL yet got picked. Finch has failed again and admits he needs a break - 1 50 in 23 innings. Reckon warner could bat better than him right handed ;)
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Strange to think that India's bowling reserves look more healthy than their batting line up.
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Dhoni seems to be making a meal out of this chase - maxwell dropped him first ball, probably thought it’s better to keep him in. And Kohli gets out as a result of dhoni batting slow
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India win by 7 wickets and take the series. Dhoni And Jadhav both unbeaten with half centuries.Jadhav adds that x factor in the middle order.
Siddle took 2 wickets in the series and went over a run a ball, in a low scoring series embarrassing
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I look at that scorecard and wonder if we're playing ODIs in the 90s again
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#DropDhoni #Pretender #NotARealFinisher #OnlyAveraged193ThisSeries
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A few months away from the start of a major tournament, I don't think that I would be in much of a hurry to dispose of one of the most experienced finishers in world cricket. Dhoni may not be the player he once was, and this may not be the greatest Australian bowler attack most of us have ever seen, but i can't see that any side wouldn't want someone with his track record of getting his team over the line
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I look at that scorecard and wonder if we're playing ODIs in the 90s again
Exactly this.
250-275 simply doesn't cut it anymore, you have to be scoring 300, pretty much where ever you are.
lets not escape facts this Aussie side are woeful. yes they won the 1st ODI, but Dhoni and Kartik had shockers and India should have chased it.
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Dhoni's record this series highlights the difference between reality and record on paper. Ist game Dhoni got lucky when umpire gave him out otherwise the hole he dug himself in, he would not have been able to finish. Second game, DK saved him. Third game, Aussie low score saved him, still it needed Jadhav to score at 100+ SR otherwise the game would have gone last ball and who knows the result. That Ind took 49.2 overs to chase 234 is not great news though a win is a win. When teams score 300+ or when Ind bat first which they haven't done this series, effect of Dhoni will be out. However, Dhoni fans are all gaga over 193 Avg this series, all not outs etc. etc.
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Dhoni's record this series highlights the difference between reality and record on paper. Ist game Dhoni got lucky when umpire gave him out otherwise the hole he dug himself in, he would not have been able to finish. Second game, DK saved him. Third game, Aussie low score saved him, still it needed Jadhav to score at 100+ SR otherwise the game would have gone last ball and who knows the result. That Ind took 49.2 overs to chase 234 is not great news though a win is a win. When teams score 300+ or when Ind bat first which they haven't done this series, effect of Dhoni will be out. However, Dhoni fans are all gaga over 193 Avg this series, all not outs etc. etc.
Yes, how dare he inflate his average for the series by being not out in a successful run chase in two of the three games...
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Opinions are highly divided on Dhoni in all discussions everywhere. He is a legend but some people like me think Pant can add more value.
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Opinions are highly divided on Dhoni in all discussions everywhere. He is a legend but some people like me think Pant can add more value.
I think if you bat Dhoni at 4 it is the right thing to do, he takes a lot longer to get going these days, so any lower in the order and it could be trouble.
It would be interesting if both Dhoni and Pant played? Is Pant a better option at 5,6 or 7 than the others maybe?
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I think if you bat Dhoni at 4 it is the right thing to do, he takes a lot longer to get going these days, so any lower in the order and it could be trouble.
It would be interesting if both Dhoni and Pant played? Is Pant a better option at 5,6 or 7 than the others maybe?
There are other people slotted in those roles.
Like Rayyadu at 4 as he has been good form averaging more than 45+
Karthik/Kedar at 6 who are consistently finishing the games
Pandya/Jadeja at 7 who can hit and bowl 5+ overs consistently
Only way Pant can come in as is WK/Batsman and there is no one who will take the gutsy call of dropping Dhoni. Dhoni has to go on his own and he looks like he won't till the world cup.
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Exactly this.
250-275 simply doesn't cut it anymore, you have to be scoring 300, pretty much where ever you are.
lets not escape facts this Aussie side are woeful. yes they won the 1st ODI, but Dhoni and Kartik had shockers and India should have chased it.
I think reason for need of scoring close to or in excess of 300 is due to shorter boundaries worldwide.
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Dhoni's record this series highlights the difference between reality and record on paper. Ist game Dhoni got lucky when umpire gave him out otherwise the hole he dug himself in, he would not have been able to finish. Second game, DK saved him. Third game, Aussie low score saved him, still it needed Jadhav to score at 100+ SR otherwise the game would have gone last ball and who knows the result. That Ind took 49.2 overs to chase 234 is not great news though a win is a win. When teams score 300+ or when Ind bat first which they haven't done this series, effect of Dhoni will be out. However, Dhoni fans are all gaga over 193 Avg this series, all not outs etc. etc.
You could argue if Dhoni was saved by umpire or kartik or Dhoni saved match on 2 occasions. I will certainly say Dhoni saved both games from losing and DK and Jadhav won games around him. Dhoni gave them one strong end where they could afford to play aggressive to win. Thats just my opinion
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No doubt Dhoni played important knocks in last two games while his knock in first game ruled out possibility of a win though it might have reduced margin of loss. However, the doubt is if his batting is going to be an issue in WC against good sides or when India bat first and are looking to post a good total and he comes in at number 4 or 5 with several overs to spare.
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Some of the comments about Dhoni do have the feel of the What have the Romans ever done for us sketch form the life of Brian. I am not sure how he can be criticised in this match for only chasing down the score that Australia set
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Incredibly he still averages 50 despite not being as good as he use to. The criticism is at times he doesn’t show any intent and blocks maidens for no reason resulting in unnecessary pressure.
He’s probably past his best and lost the power game but still needs to show more intent at times. He’s got far too much power to be kicked out of the side for Pant.
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Excited for today's T20 match. Hope India will win this one!
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anyone know what channel its on? cant see it on sky sports or BT sport?
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Not on any of those - will be on some random Indian channel would be my best guess...couldn't find the first game on Sky
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Glenn Maxwell destroys the Indians at Kohli’s palace in Bangalore, a dazzling century by the big show
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Absolute class from him
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India lacks power hitters in T20I, even in the ODIs they seems to be struggling if V.Kolhi or R.Sharma are not there to finish off their innings.
I guess this has been the pattern for India for a long time they are not comfortable chasing down anything above 165 in T20Is, they badly relies on top 3 to consolidate and finish at the same time.
The inclusion of R.Pant is the proof of the same as they lack fire power in their batting they want to induct someone who can give some impetus to the potential score, and I believe M.S. Dhoni is to blame for this because he can neither bat at no. 4 nor he is capable to finish the game with 6s and 4s. Some 1 year or so back I donot think R.Pant was even in the India's plan let alone playing the Test matches, his inclusion is testimony of how Indian team lacks confidence in M.S. Dhoni to push the score at a higher pace.
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Someone needs to put finch out of his misery and drop him. The guy looks completely shot
This has to be the worst run of international scores from a batsman
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Is this game on UK tv?
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Is this game on UK tv?
India home matches are no longer broadcasted on uk tv. It’s on a streaming service
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India home matches are no longer broadcasted on uk tv. It’s on a streaming service
FFS, why do I even bother with sky 🙄
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My thoughts exactly. Sky sports cricket, oh they have plenty of highlights
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Sky Sports England Cricket more like...
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India’s bowling has really become outstanding. You only have to look at the bowling averages Bumrah 21, Shami 25, Kuldeep 20 and Chahal 23(granted he’s not playing today). They have wicket taking ability throughout the innings. The only weakness is probably the fifth bowler Jadeja/Shankar/Pandya not gonna do much damage
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Have spartan officially gone out of business?
MS dhoni back using SS - or have spartan not paid dhoni
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India polish off Australia in Hyderabad. Kedar 81* and Dhoni 59*, life in the old dog yet...
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Taking 49 overs to chase down 240 target says a lot about their lack of confidence in power hitting.
That sort of target should have been chased down with in 43 overs.
If they are unable to lift there scoring rate they may struggle in WC against teams which have power hitters in their team.
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Taking 49 overs to chase down 240 target says a lot about their lack of confidence in power hitting.
That sort of target should have been chased down with in 43 overs.
If they are unable to lift there scoring rate they may struggle in WC against teams which have power hitters in their team.
The pitch wasn’t exactly suitable for free scoring. But India where never going to lose
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Taking 49 overs to chase down 240 target says a lot about their lack of confidence in power hitting.
That sort of target should have been chased down with in 43 overs.
If they are unable to lift there scoring rate they may struggle in WC against teams which have power hitters in their team.
Maybe they just didn’t rush ?? No reason to spank it in 35 overs when you have 50 available . Winning in over 35 is a win jus trike winning last ball
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Another 100 for Kohli. His 40th!
On a slow wicket he’s made it look easy. One man team so far in this total
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The man is too good. We don't deserve him
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There’s no debate left, Kohli undisputed best ODI batsman of all time
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Rayadu is a big no no at no.4. I dont understand why India are persisting with him? They should have already tried someone else in that spot.
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Australia’s first half century opening stand since October. In that time the average opening partnership was 7!
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Someone needs to put finch out of his misery and drop him. The guy looks completely shot
This has to be the worst run of international scores from a batsman
I don't think Finch has to be dropped. But he has to be relieved of captaincy. We can clearly see his batting went downhill ever since he was made captain. Just accept and let Finch the batsman play freely and someone else captain. In this age of ultra strategies, experts and analysis, I wonder how Aussies don't even consider this when the stats on this are pretty obvious..
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Low scoring (in modern terms) thriller. Aussies probably should’ve won that
Handscombe’s runout was key
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Rayadu is a big no no at no.4. I dont understand why India are persisting with him? They should have already tried someone else in that spot.
Vijay Shankar looks a good choice imo.
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Rayadu is a big no no at no.4. I dont understand why India are persisting with him? They should have already tried someone else in that spot.
I guess they have already tried "N" number of batters at 4 but no one has come good, looks like the are going to WC with A.Rayadu at 4 as they do not have any other option, it can only be him or V.Shankar.
What a match!, Any team able to defend that total in modern days with no devils in the wicket is a big ask.
I believe P.Handscombs wicket ,the two wicket over by J.Bhumra and M.Stonis's wkt were the key moments. M.Stonis played really well to take Aus to that stage but cannot finish it off.
Both the teams are struggling with their batting but bowling has been really good from both the sides.
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Finch deserved hundred here. Well played but heart breaking
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Australia finding their teeth in the series. Khawaja maiden ODI hundred. Australia should be looking to get 350 odd
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Scene is set for a Maxwell special. Hope he can deliver. You'd imagine if he faces upwards of 25 deliveries we could be in for some fireworks
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Australia seem to have missed a trick sending Marsh in instead of Stoinis
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Boom Boom! Aus will struggle to reach 300 now!
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Awful this from Australia.
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If y'all get a chance to see the Maxwell runout....phenomenal work by Jadeja / Dhoni.
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Poor bowling letting Aus get to 313! Hopefully the batsmen will perform and not rely on Kohli to chase this down. Dhawan definitely needs to score to keep his place in this team.
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If y'all get a chance to see the Maxwell runout....phenomenal work by Jadeja / Dhoni.
y'all
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Openers gone cheaply again - all down to kohli again
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Imagine how good Cummins stats would be if he was the regular new ball baller. Outstanding talent.
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Rayudu is crap mind you. Petrified off pace bowling
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Kohli doing as he pleases, just his 50th ODI half century
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No effs given
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100 number 41 for kohli. He's making it look far too easy!
What more can you say - averaging 60 now in ODI's
One man team in this chase so far.
How costly will that drop of Kohli be
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41st ODI century for the King. Relentless.
Perhaps that vital moment of this match was when Carey grassed Kohli on 98...
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At this rate he'll beat Tendulkar's 49 during the WC
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The rate at what he’s scoring he’ll probably pass 11,000 runs in this series
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No caps for india today...
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Zampa gets Kohli and probably ends India’s hopes
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Aussies win to keep the series alive - again nothing from the openers or middle order apart from kohli
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Is it just me who thinks England have little to fear going into this World Cup?
Hugely depleted Australia side
One man team India who has struggled in English conditions
Up and down New Zealand (who although should revel in the conditions, lack the X factor for me)
Below par SA and Pakistan
Random mix of brilliance and appalling West Indies
Appalling Sri Lanka side
Raw sides of Afg/Bang nowhere near consistent enough
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Would say modern “English conditions” are now pitches that are complete roads unless I’ve missed something?
Ball hardly moves off the straight, smaller boundaries and flat wickets hence England getting huge scores
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No caps for india today...
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Reminds me of a trip I took to the States with my family, a bloke walked straight into my Dad and said 'Sorry Sir, didn't see you there with those camouflage shorts on", found that most amusing at the time.
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Is it just me who thinks England have little to fear going into this World Cup?
Hugely depleted Australia side
One man team India who has struggled in English conditions
Up and down New Zealand (who although should revel in the conditions, lack the X factor for me)
Below par SA and Pakistan
Random mix of brilliance and appalling West Indies
Appalling Sri Lanka side
Raw sides of Afg/Bang nowhere near consistent enough
The pitches will be prepared by ICC so the chances of England having the home advantage are minimal.
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Is it just me who thinks England have little to fear going into this World Cup?
Hugely depleted Australia side
One man team India who has struggled in English conditions
Up and down New Zealand (who although should revel in the conditions, lack the X factor for me)
Below par SA and Pakistan
Random mix of brilliance and appalling West Indies
Appalling Sri Lanka side
Raw sides of Afg/Bang nowhere near consistent enough
Flip side is Australia will have very good players back by then and on their day can be dangerous once it's a knockout. India's one man is Kohli. New Zealand have in Williamson and Latham probably the two form batsmen in world cricket that aren't Kohli. Pakistan have enigmatic bowlers, but on their day can be very dangerous. South Africa have a few very good players, and have a habit of churning out new quicks and solid batsmen when required.
Don't get me wrong, England look great, but there are some decent sides there.
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England’s biggest challenge is themselves. They are a great ODI side at the moment, but have the propensity to self-destruct if forced away from their game plan.
I predict Buttler to have a legendary WC
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Flip side is Australia will have very good players back by then and on their day can be dangerous once it's a knockout. India's one man is Kohli. New Zealand have in Williamson and Latham probably the two form batsmen in world cricket that aren't Kohli. Pakistan have enigmatic bowlers, but on their day can be very dangerous. South Africa have a few very good players, and have a habit of churning out new quicks and solid batsmen when required.
Don't get me wrong, England look great, but there are some decent sides there.
Ross Taylor’s record is second best to Kohli in odi’s Since the last WC :D
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When you say India are a ‘one man team’ are we to disregard their bowling attack? India’s issue is more so picking the wrong players. They’ve got Pant and Rahul warming the benches whilst Dhawan and Rayudu are stinking the place out.
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I think Rayudu is done as #4 in the team. I also think Dhoni, Jadhav and Shankar need to step up on consistent basis. Right now they show up once per 4 or 5 games and you cannot expect to win WC with that type of inconsistency.
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A complete road - so Dhawan gets runs
India carry on playing traditional odi cricket, you’d imagine if the English openers were in they would be teeing off and looking for 400+
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India end up with 358-9. Dhawan back in form with a dazzling century. Rohit once again hindered his side with a lousy innings more interested playing for his average.
That man Cummins once again lionhearted, 5-70 on a flat one.
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A complete road - so Dhawan gets runs
India carry on playing traditional odi cricket, you’d imagine if the English openers were in they would be teeing off and looking for 400+
Scoring runs on a road require certain skills and talent no :)
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I think Rayudu is done as #4 in the team. I also think Dhoni, Jadhav and Shankar need to step up on consistent basis. Right now they show up once per 4 or 5 games and you cannot expect to win WC with that type of inconsistency.
Rayudu is not worth being in the indian team honestly. KL Rahul and Rayudu are good in T20 format.
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Kohli probably scored all those centuries on road tracks :D
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Errr, not sure balltracking is right with that Khawaja decision, looked plumb
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Handscombe a bit like Jennings ideal for subcontinental conditions but clueless on more traditional pitches. Struggle to see Steven Smith getting into the World Cup squad
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Ashton Turner destroying the Indians with some incredible power hitting
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Easy as you like for the Australians. Cruised home. Just to think they'll add Warner, Starc and Hazlewood to this squad.
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India’s openers didn’t bat quick enough on an absolute road - was a 400 pitch had they shown some intent
Great chase by the Aussies - tough on pant with the crowd shouting dhoni
Would be tough on Handscomb and khawaja now if they have to make way for Warner and smith.
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Handscombe a bit like Jennings ideal for subcontinental conditions but clueless on more traditional pitches. Struggle to see Steven Smith getting into the World Cup squad
You really wouldn't pick Smith??
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You really wouldn't pick Smith??
Nope, just look at his ODI record averages 42 pretty much a middling kinda record. Smith probably competing with S Marsh, Marsh has been their best 50 over player over the last 12-18 months
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India’s openers didn’t bat quick enough on an absolute road - was a 400 pitch had they shown some intent
Great chase by the Aussies - tough on pant with the crowd shouting dhoni
Would be tough on Handscomb and khawaja now if they have to make way for Warner and smith.
Warner would replace Finch tbh. Smith wouldn't be needed
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Warner would replace Finch tbh. Smith wouldn't be needed
So you would have the Aussies drop their captain. Can’t see it happening
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Problem with Smarsh is it's tons in losing efforts. Smith and Warner walk back into that team, no questions asked.
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Marsh isnt good enough to get into any aussie side regardless of the format
Classic case of friends/family/name in high places. As is the case in cricket on a whole generally
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Kohli’s solution to the problematic number 4 position is to drop the number 4 all together and play another bowler. Bizarre stuff.
Khawaja and Handscombe’s spots must be nailed on for the WC now. Do they drop finch and Stoinis to get Warner and smith in? Or drop maxwell as Stoinis is the 5th bowler
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Justin Langer the master of the 'thug life' continually favoured his 'sons' Mitchell and shaun Marsh, yet he's basically ended boths international careeres. Shaun has as of this morning signed a 3 year deal with Melbourne renegades, essentially confirming he's done for Australia
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Kohli’s solution to the problematic number 4 position is to drop the number 4 all together and play another bowler. Bizarre stuff.
Khawaja and Handscombe’s spots must be nailed on for the WC now. Do they drop finch and Stoinis to get Warner and smith in? Or drop maxwell as Stoinis is the 5th bowler
Warner as I said previously will 100% be in their WC starting XI, Khawaja would miss out. Khawaja is dreadful when pitches aren't flat. If Smith gets selected Turner would get dropped
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Warner as I said previously will 100% be in their WC starting XI, Khawaja would miss out. Khawaja is dreadful when pitches aren't flat. If Smith gets selected Turner would get dropped
Khawaja maybe not great when the ball is moving about more but the WC pitches are going to be flat. He is about to win player of the series if Australia win the match, there is no way you can drop him.
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Khawaja maybe not great when the ball is moving about more but the WC pitches are going to be flat. He is about to win player of the series if Australia win the match, there is no way you can drop him.
Warner vs Khawaja only one winner there my friend
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Warner vs Khawaja only one winner there my friend
But who says it is Warner vs Khawaja??
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But who says it is Warner vs Khawaja??
Smith will probably bat at 3 and Khawaja isn't gonna come in at 4/5/6
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Smith will probably bat at 3 and Khawaja isn't gonna come in at 4/5/6
I can imagine him batting at 4 in the World Cup - been one of their most consistent batsmen in the last year, surely they'll find a way to fit him in.
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Or do they move/drop finch and replace him with warner to partner Khawaja?
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To my eyes, Carey is the first out with Handscomb able to do the job behind the stumps. I don't think Hazelwood walks in either.
Finch
Warner
Smith
Khawaja
Maxwell
Stoinis
Handscomb (+)
Cummins
Starc
Hazelwood/Richardson
Zampa
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Or do they move/drop finch and replace him with warner to partner Khawaja?
If smith was allowed to captain then I'd drop finch...
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To my eyes, Carey is the first out with Handscomb able to do the job behind the stumps. I don't think Hazelwood walks in either.
Finch
Warner
Smith
Khawaja
Maxwell
Stoinis
Handscomb (+)
Cummins
Starc
Hazelwood/Richardson
Zampa
Yep this is the side I would pick.
If they really want a proper keeper in then Carey plays instead of Handscombe, who's technique is not great anywhere outside the SC anyway.
There is also the possibility that Khawaja will bat 3 and Smith at 4 I think dependent on who gets out as you could keep LH/RH combo out in the middle.
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Zampa running through the Indians. Turns out not picking enough batsmen in the way forward Virat...
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Australia rather remarkably gonna go home with the hardware. Incredible comeback from 0-2 down
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When you look at all the big teams suddenly India are in a bit of sticky situation.
They have no idea of their best side, no middle order to speak of and because of the IPL them have no more ODI's before they have to announce their squad.
Whereas Australia are in good form, have Warner and Smith to come back in and still have 5 ODI's against Pakistan to try anything out they are unsure of.
How things change.
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Problem with india is that they have too many players to select from and they keep moving players around. They should select a team and play with it even if you loose some. Dhawan should definitely be out
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To my eyes, Carey is the first out with Handscomb able to do the job behind the stumps. I don't think Hazelwood walks in either.
Finch
Warner
Smith
Khawaja
Maxwell
Stoinis
Handscomb (+)
Cummins
Starc
Hazelwood/Richardson
Zampa
Looks a strong side on paper. Hazlewood probably won’t make the cut
Warner and smith are going to be given the IPL to show some form
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Problem with india is that they have too many players to select from and they keep moving players around. They should select a team and play with it even if you loose some. Dhawan should definitely be out
Dhawan is a funny one, looks class on his day, and I think averages about 46 in ODIs. On the face of it you'd expect him to be in their squad and possibly their team at the World Cup, but he's incredibly frustrating at times, with some very rash shot selection at crucial times. One thing I think they have in their favour is the recent success of their attack in English conditions, they're genuinely good for the first time in ages, and you know they've some very talented batsmen too - all it takes is two or three to find form and they're dangerous.
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When you look at all the big teams suddenly India are in a bit of sticky situation.
They have no idea of their best side, no middle order to speak of and because of the IPL them have no more ODI's before they have to announce their squad.
Whereas Australia are in good form, have Warner and Smith to come back in and still have 5 ODI's against Pakistan to try anything out they are unsure of.
How things change.
People rote them off too easily. Had an urge and I wished I'd put money on now.
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Latest WC odds with bet365 are as follows....
England 9/4
India 3/1
Australia 9/2
SA 8/1
NZ 10/1
Pakistan 10/1
Windies 16/1
SL 40/1
Bangladesh 80/1
Afghanistan 80/1
Pakistan could be worth a couple of quid.
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Latest WC odds with bet365 are as follows....
England 9/4
India 3/1
Australia 9/2
SA 8/1
NZ 10/1
Pakistan 10/1
Windies 16/1
SL 40/1
Bangladesh 80/1
Afghanistan 80/1
Pakistan could be worth a couple of quid.
Abbas in England...
Also think that NZ at 10/1 is a decent shout if Boult and Southee play well. In Guptill, Taylor, Williamson and Latham they've a pretty solid top order.
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Abbas in England...
Also think that NZ at 10/1 is a decent shout if Boult and Southee play well. In Guptill, Taylor, Williamson and Latham they've a pretty solid top order.
I really think this WC is a lot more open than some people think. With this format there are no easy games at all.