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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Colesy on June 28, 2010, 07:26:11 PM
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Zander De Bruyn's bat. And news/ideas/info?
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Wait until the trade show, going to get one from Zander before that.
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that the one in september at lords i shall see you there
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Sounds a great bat, will defo try and get myself one
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Buying or selling?
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who me mike
i been invited by a mate to help him on the day bud but never been before and looking forward to it to be honest
looking at all that kit should be a good day
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Is there anything new with this bat without giving it away mike
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Old design combined with new design :)
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Zander De Bruyn's bat. And news/ideas/info?
What did it look like on tele? New shape? New stickers?
I'd like to see Newbery ditch their current sticker designs.
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Looked same stickers but they said it was an Uzi/cor3 type bat with a shorter blade and longer handle just wondering if there is any thing else
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The one I saw at the Rose Bowl was a Joker with Excalibur shoulders rather than a straight cut off. It was very low density willow.
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Just had al look on Getty, has slightly sloping shoulders and the stickers have been made bigger/bat thinner.
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love when new bats are around looking like the industry is moving
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I think with Aero and Mongoose other companies have seen that new radical looking designs can sell successfully.
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Ones i have seen are standard width. Simular profile to the B52 but the blade is a couple of inches shorter and then it has little 45 deg angled shoulders.
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Stickers are just 2 T's from a GT set, stickers are this seasons.
Bat shape is not radical, unless you are so young as not to know about the Excalibur, or Multi Balance or Hi Tech or Uzi, shall I go on? Yes I shall, Newbery have been behind nearly every change to a cricket bat for the last 30 years, excluding Graphite backing. The spiceless bat, the first non cane handle, the first shortened blade/elongated handle and when you know their history you wouldn't bet against them having something else radical that they won't be sharing with any old brand.
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When will we be seeing these then
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Sounds good. James Hayman had a go with Zanders and said it was brilliant as you would expect.
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I have a pic here of a 80yr old GM with elongated handle and shorter blade, exactly same dimensions of the Uzi....
And do you think the Mongoose and Aero have (or will) sparked a change in design? Every cricket bat which comes out over the next 5yrs will be compared to the Mongoose, that's because it's radical.
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So was the Cross Bat, but Aero have done nothing, no one has copied their designs apart from GN with the strippers, I like their brand, they have actually tried to push things forwards but the gloves have been compared to ST Peter's mitts and that's about it. I agree that the MMI was a radical design, but it doesn't work and had a really good chat with Tony about it a couple of weeks ago, he told me about designing it for Marcus and came across as a really good chap. But what bats have you inspired Tom, as the editor of Cricinfo seems to think that the only similar bat is a lot better.
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I haven't designed any radical bats, I've only made improvements, fiddle with profiles and helped in the marketing with them. With Aero, GM did a stripper copy too, Lekka did a similar grip, GN did the face guard, who knows what else will be taken on board?
Perhaps the Joker is the better bat for the editor of cricinfo, I'm not bold enough to claim the MMi works for every player but it has received good (and some damning) reviews from top players around the world.
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Ahh yes St Peters mitts being similar to Aero...
The thing I've learned in the cricket industry is with anything new its either crap or 'i did it Xyrs ago but decided against it/didnt sell any'. It's very rare for anyone to applaud another company for their design or innovation.
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i supose this has nothing to do with me but all in all surely it purely about sales and to be honest this forum is a tiny propotion infact very small scale of cricket equipment.
all i can say is a bat is a bat to me and wonder who is selling more???
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I saw a Newbery Uzi the other day in Romida, absolutly massive. Had a 500mm sticker on the edge was this just someone having a laugh or does it mean something?
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Maybe sometimes it is just crap? just a thought, being radical in thought.
How have the Aero gloves caught on?
Lekka grips were not a copy but an existing grip, they aren't long enough in my opinion.
The GN face guard pre dates the Aero one, think it was a Hockey one, Bulldog gave me one years ago.
Never seen the GM Stripper copy, please send me a link.
Leo, the 500mm edge sticker was put on as the bats came out very big for the weight, means nothing else.
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I can vouch for the fact the gn face guard is a hockey mask with a cricket label as I have worn them in hockey mostly indoor but the aero one is far better for cricket IMO
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Lekka was introduced in cricket as a result of the success/interest in the Aero grip. Same can be said for the GN faceguard, although it was already designed it hadn't been used in cricket until Peter McGlashan pioneered the Aero faceguard in 2005. Aero designed these products specifically for cricket and other companies followed with their designs hoping to piggyback on sales.
GM stripper was launched in 06/07 but was quickly removed from sale along with GNs first foray into the all in one thigh pads.
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I thought that the Yorkshire keeper, Broody? used a hockey one first?
I think that wrap around grips have been used well before Aero, I had a load of Stac bats back in the mid nineties with them fitted as standard.
Also GN are still using their version of the stripper as bought one a few weeks ago, I think they settled out of court.
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brophy used a aero hockey one
gray nicholls brought one out before there current model and it did just go off the radar
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Met Pete McGlashan Tom and had a long chat with him when i played against Bath a couple of years ago and the game was rained off, so had plenty of time to pick his brains. Very nice and clever bloke.
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Yes, but they made their first foray in 2007. It was initially removed from sale along with the GM model.
I would say Aero certainly popularised the wrap around grip. Perhaps attributing the design to them may be unfair.
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GN had the wrap around grips on pro performance bats. I can remember purple ones so maybe back to 2004 or earlier.
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My friend has one on his longbow carbo.
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McGlashan was heavily influential in the Nike shoe design too, as he is an International cricketer with a bio-mechanics degree. He also uses a Mongoose, despite being contracted to Aero.
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GN had the wrap around grips on pro performance bats. I can remember purple ones so maybe back to 2004 or earlier.
They did, it was very similar to a Tennis grip. However they never sold successfully and many shops didn't stock them. They were standard issue on their titanium and carbo bats.
Aero have sold successfully and i would say popularised it.
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Always interesting to see the design/innovation debate about how newer products have come about, I think previous or older products will always influence or have some impact on the evolution of newer products IMO.
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How did you design your pads and gloves Tom? Was there an influence?
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so the big question is what has the biggest revaloution been in cricket equipment been in the last 30 years been?????
and future maybe moving the market from india to china????
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Can't know where your going unless you know where your coming from
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We had them produced by a graphical designer originally going back to the designs we licensed to CCC he has no idea about cricket but gave him a design spec and he came up with a few different ones with various geographical shapes being used etc
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i will be honest a bat is a bat to me but i looking forward to somebody making strides in soft goods
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so the big question is what has the biggest revaloution been in cricket equipment been in the last 30 years been?????
and future maybe moving the market from india to china????
Last 10 years I would argue Puma and their Puma Classic kit, radical looking kit at the time moving away from cane style pads, sausage gloves, boring stickers and passive marketing.
I think the next 5 years will see different styles of bats (not standard measurements) and speficially designed T20 kit.
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i will be honest a bat is a bat to me but i looking forward to somebody making strides in soft goods
I think they have, I had my finger broken twice wearing crap gloves, nearly all gloves now are better than the very best 10 years ago.
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for me bats will always self evolve but we seem to be stuck still in softs for a few years company have played it safe yes puma and aero and ccc all tried but were still waiting for the market defining pad
gloves have improved without a doubt but given the choice in pads and i have tried a lot i would still say gn test opener are still up there and they should not be..
why are people still braking canes at the bottom of there pads instead of people putting bigger arches in as gm have done with the nixon keeping pads..
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I just hope protection is not sacrificed for lightness as it has been in football boots
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Morrants are a market defining pads? No?
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yes but there is new forms out there yes expensive but could change the future of pads
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no morrants are bulky mate and if they were defining more would have been sold.
very good pads but there is room for a better quality of pad how old are morrants 30 years old made in germany??
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Cost of production and materials in making the pads vs The price they are sold at...the materials are available to improve pads, gloves safety and weight reduction etc but are companies going to increase the cost prices of the products without demanding a top end price and therefore risking losing a % of their market??
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I think we've gone over this one before Tom, someone will, and that someone will take a step ahead of their rivals.
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aye i just sick of all the same immataions after immatations out there in soft goods what i call the safe option.
unlike some on here though i not a cricket equipment supplier ie run a buisness so i can not comment on that
all i know is there will be a pad out soon which will blow away the market hopefully, and fit hobbits and giant..
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Indeed with the price of bats now rising for your average bat I don't see why gloves and pads if offering the same high quality element in protection that they are designed to offer shouldn't follow suite!
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a bat is a bat to me
Ever thought you might be on the wrong forum?
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huckster i know my bats bud but more interested in softs
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huckster i know my bats bud but more interested in softs
I'll be honest, I quite like girls.
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Busted, get off this forum with views like that, you're not welcome you weirdo.......
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so what attributes would the ultimate softs have? Between us, do we not have the know how and the contacts to come up with this holy grail pad? Or is the missing ingredient that really will change the game, still undiscovered?
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....just spotted the title of this thread having been reading for 4 pages, and only just relaised how far off topic we've gone.... whoops!
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Bad Johnny........
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Who was the first to have pads with velcro-straps? They must have been truly ground-breaking. To have leather straps with buckles seems quite ridiculous now - although, thinking about it, wasn't Sachin wearing them until quite recently?
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Duncan Fernley.
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Also first to have extra protection on bottom two fingers?
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http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/197280.html?object=20372;page=10
Good ol' Alec...
this was the earliest one I could find...
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/196894.html?object=20372;page=12
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No, Duncan Fearnley had them in the 1980s. That was what I was saying. Look for pictures of Graham Gooch.
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Yes remember GG with SS gloves swatting the ball away with double finger protection
newsimg.bbc.co.uk/.../ jpg/_42275236_gooch270.jpg
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you mean these?
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Goochie.gif)
Goochie is an absolute hero...
http://www.cricinfo.com/england/content/image/365283.html?object=13399;filter=1;page=1
And I think these are the DF ones
http://www.cricinfo.com/england/content/image/372062.html?object=13399;filter=1;page=2
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i think the first company to put velcro on straps was a now defunct company called carta sports
sorry there not defunct there still going but not making there own pads
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I was told when at Duncan Fernley last month that he was the first ever. They also had a list of firsts up there in the market, lets not forget how big he was back in the day.....
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the magnum supreme the holy grail
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hit my 1st hundred in a 12 over evening match with a borrowed one of those! 12 sixes and one four... awesome bat!
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Hit my first 50 with a df gold many years ago was a top bat
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http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/163819.html?search=1979;page=1
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off topic as hell but fearnley need to pull there finger out and bring out a retro magnum supremem like stuart surridge did
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off topic as hell but fearnley need to pull there finger out and bring out a retro magnum supremem like stuart surridge did
Agreed, it would be awesome if they could bring out a retro range - especially as the main people who would buy the bats are in their 30/40's now so have more disposable income whilst still looking to relive their youthful memories of Ian Terence Botham smashing the ball into the confectionery stand and hooking Lillee with his eyes closed... marvellous
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Vikram is using a retro looking Fearnley this season.
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Vikram is using a retro looking Fearnley this season.
yep and it looks great
(http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/98815553.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5279066EF9D121D4079041C8A27B3E49D15E88DA6F53AF4D9)
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yes good spot tom
here a picture like the look of it
http://www.cricinfo.com/countycricket2010/content/image/455538.html
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yes good spot tom
here a picture like the look of it
[url]http://www.cricinfo.com/countycricket2010/content/image/455538.html[/url]
there must be a hole in that bat ;)
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time to contact fearnley and see if i could get one of them
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They still have the 2009 catalogue on their website...
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yes just seen kit looks well average at best.
i would like to get a set of them pads and gloves he wearing as well
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Never seen the GM Stripper copy, please send me a link.
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i29/02thoeva/strippers.jpg)
Dug through my old catalogues, this was 07 season.
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very similar in design but look more cumbersome than the Aero version, been getting on well with the strippers since trying them offers everything apart from the box holder that would complete the product i think!
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I think Aero have already advised they do not plan to add a box holder to their strippers, as they couldn't find a practical way to do it, though they have released an Aero box brief to compliment the strippers.
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time to contact fearnley and see if i could get one of them
I noticed Claude Henderson of Leicestershire was using a Duncan Fearnley with old-school stickers on, on TV the other week. But this bat doesn't seem to be commercially available. Someone's a bit slow on the uptake, I reckon.
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Someone's a bit slow on the uptake, I reckon.
Me? Haha. Just noticed the Vikram post
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It's a question that we have looked at a lot. The trouble with this is that the stability required for a box (you don't want it moving around at all!!!) conflicts with the maneuverability and stretch that the strippers provide. Hence we have released top flight underwear and a great cup that both integrate with the strippers. But they are not part of the stripper system per se. We had a shot at developing some shorts with this cup as well, but the box just wouldn't stay in place. Watch this space...
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Double finger protection for the bottom hand goes back to the late 70s. Look for pictures of Gavaskar in 79; DF bat, Morrant pads and unbranded gloves.
By 1980, Gooch was using DF branded double protection gloves; most other brands followed suit soon after. One brand, Arcass even had double finger protection for both top and bottom hands.
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Double finger protection for the bottom hand goes back to the late 70s. Look for pictures of Gavaskar in 79; DF bat, Morrant pads and unbranded gloves.
By 1980, Gooch was using DF branded double protection gloves; most other brands followed suit soon after. One brand, Arcass even had double finger protection for both top and bottom hands.
Remember Dennis Amiss and various other Warwickshire players wearing this brand.
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IIRC, Dennis Amiss and Glenn Turner were the main players whose names were used to promote the brand. The Arcass batting pads were also quite distinctive. Chris Broad also used Arcass pads and gloves when first got into the England team, as did the player he replaced, Andy Lloyd.
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Vikram is using a retro looking Fearnley this season.
His gloves have a pleasingly simple design as well
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[url]http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/197280.html?object=20372;page=10[/url]
Good ol' Alec...
this was the earliest one I could find...
[url]http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/image/196894.html?object=20372;page=12[/url]
The gloves Alec Stewart is using these pics actually have a hard plastic shell over the bottom two fingers of the bottom hand. This was an accessory sold separately, and basically taped to the glove.
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The gloves Alec Stewart is using these pics actually have a hard plastic shell over the bottom two fingers of the bottom hand. This was an accessory sold separately, and basically taped to the glove.
I know -but we were looking for early examples of extra protection on gloves - actually the DF ones on Goochie from around 1980 were the earliest pics I could find on cricinfo!
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His gloves have a pleasingly simple design as well
About time. DF did lose the plot somewhat.
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Bat shape is not radical, unless you are so young as not to know about the Excalibur, or Multi Balance or Hi Tech or Uzi, shall I go on? Yes I shall, Newbery have been behind nearly every change to a cricket bat for the last 30 years, excluding Graphite backing. The spiceless bat, the first non cane handle, the first shortened blade/elongated handle and when you know their history you wouldn't bet against them having something else radical that they won't be sharing with any old brand.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I think GM, with their Galaxy model, were before Newbery with a spliceless bat and non cane handle.
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Agreed, it would be awesome if they could bring out a retro range - especially as the main people who would buy the bats are in their 30/40's now so have more disposable income whilst still looking to relive their youthful memories of Ian Terence Botham smashing the ball into the confectionery stand and hooking Lillee with his eyes closed... marvellous
I'd love to have a 70s retro kit of GN Scoop, Morrant Pads and SP Master (flatback) gloves, and maybe even an original SP batting helmet.
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I might be able to get a original set of SP stickers for you and a bat made to shape by the original maker, got some nice Scoops but not for sharing and also picked up a set of Sondico gloves.
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I might be able to get a original set of SP stickers for you and a bat made to shape by the original maker, got some nice Scoops but not for sharing and also picked up a set of Sondico gloves.
I managed to buy a brand new scoop 3 or 4 years ago, when they were being sold through the Lords shop
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I looked at some at Robertsbridge last year, they sold them all to Sports World..... so had a new one made by a friend. Will also have a new Classic to reveal in a month, will turn a few heads!!!
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By the sounds of it you've got some good friends Mike!
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I do, and I'm aware that I need to avoid taking advantage but it is sorely tempting.
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I looked at some at Robertsbridge last year, they sold them all to Sports World..... so had a new one made by a friend. Will also have a new Classic to reveal in a month, will turn a few heads!!!
they are down to £64 on the Barrington Sports site!
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Sadly they are not the same, but will sort a set of ST Peter stickers for you.