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[ProCricketer1982]

The guys out of form need sending back to their counties and need to play games to rediscover form.no point flogging them around aus again to prove more once again how out do form they are in.

Cook got out how he has all ashes series, root nicked it but just got unlucky with it not showing but he was batting terribly. Bell did what bell does and the rest did well/ok given the start etc.

Rankin is not good enough, he's better than the current tremlett but worse than the old tremlett and at 29 isn't going to improve or get faster. Send him back to the associates and county cricket to be the big fish there (which to me shows up the quality of county cricket if he's 'terrorising' them). Like the look of Jordan though.

All in all, beaten by a better side but didn't expect anything less when I saw the team sheet tbh.

Giles out!

[smilley792]

It is interesting that buttler was signed by the renegades and thrust straight into 3.
Then watching the big bash, captains are wary off him because he can hit 360degrees as they say.

He came out to bat today, and again, Clarke seemed wary of him, and spent quite some time setting fields and discussing tactics with bowlers.
He did this for buttler more than any other. Batsmen?


The Aussies obviously rate him as a batsmen. So why can't England? To have him bat at 8 is ridicolous. Maybe he should be at 6? But why not think "outside the box" and play him at 3? Give him a chance of some power play action.

IMO he also bats to low for England in t20.
England have always bemoaned they don't have natural hitters, well they do now, yet seem to be scared to use them and stick to the "250 is a good steady score" tactic

It's 2013! I doubt England could defend 350 with the attacking players other internationals pick!

[joeylough]

Why has alex hales not played an ODI? or Lumb?

[smilley792]

Why has alex hales not played an ODI? or Lumb?

Exactly, you'd think atleast one would be opening for the power play.

[joeylough]

Both pro40 winner, proven at T20i level as well

[beaver5]

We not been in an ODI final since 92 and yet we still insist that building a solid foundation with traditional openers is the way to go. The rest of the world must be laughing at us as they have all moved on. We won the t20 worlds cup with a top 3 of kieswetter, lumb and pieterson. Why have we not recognised what everyone else has that you need to be positive at the start? Cricket has moved on but we are still stuck in the past. Wrong policy and as a result wrong selections.

[procricket]

I would pick Kieswetter as a batsman currently in our line up.

[potzy248]

hmmmm snicko suggests he hit it, so was right to review in theory just unlucky it didn't show up on hotspot. But your in a far better position to judge someone's batting ability than anyone else so fair enough

Need one of those Fry from futurama memes to say "Hmmmmm not sure if agreeing with me or hassling me".

Yeah maybe an inside edge but he has done that many times this summer and been out 95% of the time. He fluffed around for a few seconds, if you hit it you go up straight away.

All you guys are right about the selections. Why on earth are guys like Lumb and Hales not in the side, the Aussies must be laughing. I'm sorry but that Balance guy did not look like anything special either, he looked scratchy throughout his innings. That Jordan guy looked good though. You have guys like: Hales, Lumb, Wright, Carberry, Tredwell, Broad, Anderson, Pieterson etc. Do you like losing or something?

I'm used to this Mikey Mouse stuff coming from NZ but England? just wow.

[cricketbadger]

I would pick Kieswetter as a batsman currently in our line up.

I'd pick him to keep and just have Butler fielding

[ProCricketer1982]

How about...

Hales
Kieswetter
KP
Bopara
Morgan
Butler
Stokes
Broad
Jordan
Triedwell
Finn/A N Other fast bowler

[smilley792]

Lumb
Pietersen
Butler
Bell
Morgan
Balance
Stokes
Broad
Jordan
Tredwell
Finn

[Manormanic]

I don't quite buy into the Buttler at three hype because he is not good enough technically against the hard new ball - yes, he might come off occasionally but set against that chance you lose his genuine threat at the end of the innings.  That said, I don't see why some flexibility is not shown - he should be coming in first available chance after the 34th so that he can play through the second powerplay.

On the wider hitter vs. accumulator debate, for me the ideal one day side would have two accumulators (one of whom can expand on that), four hitters and a wild card - one of these seven being an all rounder - as well as four front line bowler whose batting skills are of limited relevance.  In terms of accumulators, I think Bell and Root (the latter because he can expand on that and also bowl some useful spin), my hitters would four from be Morgan, Pietersen, Stokes, Bopara, Wright, Ballance and, for a name outside the box, Malan and Buttler is the wild card.

[Manormanic]

This does mean Cook standing aside, which might prolong his effectiveness in the longer form...

[ProCricketer1982]

There is an article on bbc sport page saying the county game should be changed.. Aka the number of counties shrank to increase quality..

[Manormanic]

been through that one already!