Topic: Batting Master Class videos (Read 97713 times)

thegowerwaft · « **Reply #75 on:** April 17, 2025, 07:55:41 PM »

Quote from: thecord on April 17, 2025, 07:34:01 PM

Who knew a good old debate about head position and batting guard was what was needed to revive the forum?!
Great to see

Totally agree! Well done, Buzz. Got the season started with some great posts. I can almost smell the cut grass.

PS to get back on thread - my t-rex arms couldn't waft a 2.15. I envy those that can!

InternalTraining · « **Reply #76 on:** April 17, 2025, 08:34:41 PM »

Quote from: willmau5 on April 17, 2025, 04:24:13 PM

Not quite sure I agree. I play on a low and slow pitch with huge square boundaries which flood for 2 months of the year, and my well-prepared and well looked-after 2.10 GM does me a lot better than when I used a 2.15 bat that was too big for my pool noodle arms. It helps my timing and technique, and a well-timed shot with a quality bat is a much better option for me than a bottom handed thwack with a tree trunk.

2lb 15 oz is just too heavy but if you can wield it, good on you!

For some reason, message people are taking away from the posted video is that a light, tooth pick is something magical which is wrong. 2-10 / 2-11 are good weights if they work for you for the duration of an inning. In determining your ideal weight look at pace you face, pitch conditions, outfield conditions, boundary length, and your own fitness level. Considering all those factors, the easiest way to determine your ideal bat weight? "Trial and error", that's the man said & with which I agree.

thegowerwaft · « **Reply #77 on:** April 17, 2025, 08:44:49 PM »

Totally agree. Tried a 2.10 a few years back (I play very village now). Found I was a bit late on things. Now using 2.8 - 2.9 sb/sh. Works a treat - but it's probably all psychological. 🤣

jonny77 · « **Reply #78 on:** April 18, 2025, 08:45:08 AM »

Quote from: thegowerwaft on April 17, 2025, 08:44:49 PM

Totally agree. Tried a 2.10 a few years back (I play very village now). Found I was a bit late on things. Now using 2.8 - 2.9 sb/sh. Works a treat - but it's probably all psychological. 🤣

An oz is 28 grams, or roughly a multi pack of Walkers crisps. Think of the emptying those crisps along the bat and handle, it's really not much weight and imo isn't the reason anytime would be noticably late on shots.

I'm not saying going up to 2lb 15pz is doable, but an oz here and there really is nothing

Kulli · « **Reply #79 on:** April 18, 2025, 08:59:34 AM »

Quote from: jonny77 on April 18, 2025, 08:45:08 AM

An oz is 28 grams, or roughly a multi pack of Walkers crisps. Think of the emptying those crisps along the bat and handle, it's really not much weight and imo isn't the reason anytime would be noticably late on shots.

I'm not saying going up to 2lb 15pz is doable, but an oz here and there really is nothing

One way to hit the ball crisply�

Jimbo · « **Reply #80 on:** April 18, 2025, 10:11:19 AM »

Quote from: jonny77 on April 18, 2025, 08:45:08 AM

An oz is 28 grams, or roughly a multi pack of Walkers crisps. Think of the emptying those crisps along the bat and handle, it's really not much weight and imo isn't the reason anytime would be noticably late on shots.

I'm not saying going up to 2lb 15pz is doable, but an oz here and there really is nothing

Just out of interest (can't believe I've not asked you this before with all the times I've asked about bats), what do you reckon is the least amount of weight that really has noticeable effect on the average player's batting?

InternalTraining · « **Reply #81 on:** April 18, 2025, 06:23:02 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on April 18, 2025, 10:11:19 AM

Just out of interest (can't believe I've not asked you this before with all the times I've asked about bats), what do you reckon is the least amount of weight that really has noticeable effect on the average player's batting?

Great question!

Until you bat long enough in an inning, you really don't know. Also, until you face someone who's quick enough to make your bat seem slow. Pros do use lighter bats than clubbies and clubbies can get away with slightly heavier bats. Why? Pros face much faster pace than clubbies. An ex-pro or ex-first class/div 1 bowler would make a clubbie batter's bat seem heavy.

Through "trial-and-error", you can find the adequate balance point for your bat weight - something for 80% (80-20 rule) of the conditions.

jonny77 · « **Reply #82 on:** April 18, 2025, 07:59:31 PM »

Do you mean the least amount of weight you take out of a bat? Depends on lots of variables mate I suppose. How heavy that bat is to begin with, the players ability, fitness level, strength, opposition, balance of the bat etc etc.

My main point was, that I really think people obsess over scale/bat weight too much personally and it generally isn't an oz or so on a bat which will make all the difference. I've used a bat which I've scored a ton with and then struggled with it the following week (better attack, worse deck etc). So obviously not the bat is it?

Everyone's looking for the key which will unlock everything in an instant. The bats easy to change, amend etc. Much easier than getting better, fitter or working harder. I see it so much. Had a bloke once who I'd made a 2lb 7oz bat for. He'd been out LBW a few times and his overseas reckons it was due to his bat being too heavy. He wanted an oz out of it, so I did it as who am I to argue, it's his bat. Guess how he was out the following wknd?! 😆

As for the pro's, I'm not so sure they use bats much lighter than we do on the whole. They're just fitter, stronger, better etc. Seems to be a pattern here maybe?

whysoserious · « **Reply #83 on:** April 19, 2025, 07:15:03 AM »

I was (and maybe still am a bit lol) an absolute obsessive over scale weight. Removing binding, toe guards, trimming handles and even grips to ensure it was below 2.8.5. Then last season, �accidentally on purpose� I used a new bat without weighing it, felt great and hit a 50 in T20. Got home and made the mistake of weighing it and it was a grain of salt under 2.10.Even for an obsessive like me, the realisation hit home that ability and conditioning is way more important. My bat budget for this year has gone on 1-1 coaching, honestly the best money I�ve spent in cricket. Awaiting a golden first game now

InternalTraining · « **Reply #84 on:** April 20, 2025, 04:35:30 AM »

Quote from: jonny77 on April 18, 2025, 07:59:31 PM

As for the pro's, I'm not so sure they use bats much lighter than we do on the whole. They're just fitter, stronger, better etc. Seems to be a pattern here maybe?

In absolute terms, they probably don't. When comparing their fitness, athleticism, and strength to a clubbie's, they absolutely do use lighter bats. Ben Stokes, with his physique and strength level, using a 2 lb 9oz bat means he is using a lighter bat.

jonny77 · « **Reply #85 on:** April 20, 2025, 01:18:48 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on April 20, 2025, 04:35:30 AM

In absolute terms, they probably don't. When comparing their fitness, athleticism, and strength to a clubbie's, they absolutely do use lighter bats. Ben Stokes, with his physique and strength level, using a 2 lb 9oz bat means he is using a lighter bat.

So basically confirming my point. They use the same bats but get better results because they are fitter. Not all pro's use 2lbs 9oz either, summer use heavier bats. As do lots of cubbies.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #86 on:** April 20, 2025, 05:58:17 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on April 20, 2025, 01:18:48 PM

So basically confirming my point. They use the same bats but get better results because they are fitter. Not all pro's use 2lbs 9oz either, summer use heavier bats. As do lots of cubbies.

Not quite.

Here is my point: They use lighter bats for their strength/fitness level. They are not using "same bats" for the conditions they play in & fitness they possess. They could easily use heavier bats but they don't have to. Why? They are also playing on faster outfields and facing faster bowling. An international spinner bowls at 50 mph, that's considered medium pace in some club games.

They can "time" their shots with their "lighter" (for their strenth level) bats and get a boundary because outfield is so fast. In a crappy club outfield, you have to power your shots hence heavier (for fitness level) bats are needed. You are comparing bats, players wielding, and field/playing conditions it as an apples-to-apples comparison which is wrong.

I am going to add something as well: they use shorter bats for their body lengths. Ben STokes at 6' or 6' 2'' using a standard SH men's bat ? That's a short bat for him. A 5'8'' playing using a SH bat is using something too long for him. The standard bat sizing is absolute poop and needs to be reconsidered.

Chad · « **Reply #87 on:** April 21, 2025, 07:20:58 AM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on April 20, 2025, 05:58:17 PM

Not quite.

Here is my point: They use lighter bats for their strength/fitness level. They are not using "same bats" for the conditions they play in & fitness they possess. They could easily use heavier bats but they don't have to. Why? They are also playing on faster outfields and facing faster bowling. An international spinner bowls at 50 mph, that's considered medium pace in some club games. They can "time" their shots with their "lighter" (for their strenth level) bats and get a boundary because outfield is so fast. In a crappy club outfield, you have to power your shots hence heavier (for fitness level) bats are needed. You are comparing bats, players wielding, and field/playing conditions it as an apples-to-apples comparison which is wrong.

I am going to add something as well: they use shorter bats for their body lengths. Ben STokes at 6' or 6' 2'' using a standard SH men's bat ? That's a short bat for him. A 5'8'' playing using a SH bat is using something too long for him. The standard bat sizing is absolute poop and needs to be reconsidered.

Ben Stokes' bats actually often end up more like 2lb13oz+ with the number of grips he pops on. He's apparently not as fussed about dead weight IIRC from a conversation I've had with someone who's made his bats. Sachin also used a standard SH bat, and is more like 5'5 - he did more than alright. Chris Lynn used a shortened bat because it suited him, but was 6 foot. Mark Waugh used a slightly longer bat despite being the same height. I think KP used standard SH, but Chris Gayle used a LBLH setup or something like that. Given that I'm around 5'8, and the amount the toe of my bat is used, I'd say standard SH is pretty close to what I should be using.

It's all purely a preference thing, I get that shorter bat means you can pack the willow into a more concentrated area, and in theory it would feel a bit lighter.

Thing about cricket bats is that if you were to absolutely optimise for everything, you'd probably still find many having issues with their bats, which as Jonny is trying to allude to, is more issues with fitness and techniques than the bat itself. Reality is, we all bat sub-optimally. Condition yourself to get the most out of your batting. Use something you like the feel of, and don't go too heavy. If I remember correctly, I think it was Gary Sandford who recommended going for as light as you are comfortable using.

Jimbo · « **Reply #88 on:** April 21, 2025, 06:10:14 PM »

Another one I don't see mentioned often is where you grip the bat. If you're like me and grip from the top of the handle, the bat is in effect longer than someone who strangles it.

Does go some way to explaining how 5'5 Sachin, 5'8 Ben Duckett, etc use short handles perfectly comfortably.

Alternately, some people have very different stances which will effect it too. I do agree it would be nice to have more men's weight small adult bats as an option for the UK market as the Aussies seem to have cottoned on to this pretty well.

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