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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2015, 12:06:31 PM »

I am surprised to see he won't stock spartan as they have a big warehouse in Kent so can hand pick his bats and I sure he knows where abouts they are made
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2015, 12:18:02 PM »

So from this point onwards we can assume IJC is only going to sell bats which meet the ethos they are trying to promote and deal with brands that help the fellow bat maker, but my question is what made you [IJC] decide to sell brands such as CP, Spartan in the first place?

Again, I don't have issues with people like Spartan because they don't claim to make their bats here in the UK.  They don't exactly advertise that they are made in India, but they are still honest about their provenance, unlike some others.  Ditto Kookaburra.  I am sorry this was not made clear already (I thought it had been).

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« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2015, 12:20:27 PM »

Having spoken to Paul over email he confirmed they don't get to handpick.

So New Balance is not only made in India, but also don't allow handpicking. Yet IJC are planning to stock New Balance, but won't stock GM who's bats are made in the UK.

I've completely lost the point of this thread now.
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« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2015, 12:21:01 PM »

So from this point onwards we can assume IJC is only going to sell bats which meet the ethos they are trying to promote and deal with brands that help the fellow bat maker, but my question is what made you [IJC] decide to sell brands such as CP, Spartan in the first place?

We wanted to offer a variety, as a specialist, and still do to an extent, but over time my feelings have changed a little and I now would prefer to support the genuine bat makers along with a sprinkling of of outsourcers who are honest about their provenance, such as Phantom, GN etc.

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« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2015, 12:22:54 PM »

So New Balance is not only made in India, but also don't allow handpicking. Yet IJC are planning to stock New Balance, but won't stock GM who's bats are made in the UK.

I've completely lost the point of this thread now.

that's because you are over simplifying it.  Who told you that we are stocking New Balance bats moving forward?

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« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2015, 12:26:15 PM »

that's because you are over simplifying it.  Who told you that we are stocking New Balance bats moving forward?

My apologies - I presume (again jumping to conclusion) you won't be stocking NB in future then?
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« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2015, 12:27:16 PM »

My apologies, I presume you're not stocking NB in future then?

We have made our bed and we will lie in it.  We are honest.

It may cost us quite a few £££ but so be it.  We will have to make do with their shoes and bags instead.

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« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2015, 12:28:22 PM »

It may cost us quite a few £££ but so be it.  We will have to make do with their shoes and bags instead.

Fair enough, at least you're sticking to your guns which is certainly commendable (However questionable from a business sense!!).
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« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2015, 12:30:07 PM »

Fair enough, at least you're sticking to your guns which is certainly commendable (However questionable from a business sense!!).

but you're right, they aren't a good fit for us!

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« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2015, 12:30:26 PM »

I should probably defend Paul a little when I emailed about a month ago regarding NB, at that point he did say they were unsure about stocking them in the future...
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« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2015, 12:32:55 PM »

So are you able to give a definitive list of who are and who you aren't going to stock in the future?
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« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2015, 12:35:32 PM »

So are you able to give a definitive list of who are and who you aren't going to stock in the future?

It is a bit in flux atm, but the ones we have advertised we are visiting for one.  And the ones listed on our pre-orders deposit page.  If it's not listed there (NB never was), it means there is still a question mark, but if you are that interested I'd suggest you email us instead.

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« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2015, 12:51:17 PM »

Virtually everything IJC has said is exactly what GM are, yet IJC refuse to stock GM? They are honest, open, any member of the public can ask to go and visit the facility and see everything they do first hand. The bats are entirely made in Nottingham, the only sticking point seems to be this obsession with handpicking?

Some extracts from the about us page on the Newbery website:

''At Newbery we can trace our bat making heritage back to 1919 when the Newbery family first made handmade cricket bats in the picturesque surroundings of East Sussex, England.

Our unique skills have been handed down through generation from John Newbery and we have an expert history that we still apply today to produce the highest quality custom cricket bats and cricket supplies.

In a space dominated by mass machine produced hardware Newbery is a bastion of British craftsmanship committed to keeping these values alive and kicking. The philosophy of Newbery remains the same now as it did in 1919: Quality, aesthetic and performance.''

''When crafting the bat each individual cleft (block of Willow) is selected, assessed and hand crafted with traditional tools.''

The video itself at the top of the about us page shows a bat being crafted in a very traditional manner. There is not even a cameo appearance from Tim's CNC machine.

It has been asked (and seemingly ignored) already by a couple of people, but why is Newbery treated differently to the brands you have dropped? Moreover, as suggested by Tom, why is the Platinum bat being marketed in the exact way you have said you feel is wrong?

To clear a few things up. Whilst of course there is a close and historic relationship between the Keeleys and Newbery, it is now a straightforward fact that Newbery do not make any bats themselves. They contract out the work and make very good use of Tim's CNC machine. IJC's stance that they won't stock brands who mislead customers doesn't really stack up given the claims about traditional techniques made on Newberys website. This is not me poo-pooing the CNC process at all, Tim is one of the finest bat makers out there, if not the best. Much of his skill and fine detailed work on a bat cannot be replicated by a CNC machine. He still puts plenty of handcrafted time into his bats, just not as much as the batmakers in 1919 did as suggested by Newbery, indeed they seemingly go a step further by referring to mass machine production in a negative manner...

As a quick aside, it is widely known that Tim doesn't make junior bats, Newberys junior bats (i suspect) are imported, I don't know where from but a while ago i think it was from Bellingham Smith in SA. Is this something IJC customers are made aware of?

OK, I will address Newbery briefly.  I can see your point.  As I said in an earlier post, the word "handmade" may be the only inconsistency, but as the bat makers still do much of the work by hand, it's close to irrelevant in my opinion.

The Platinum bats are all fully made in England - including the harrow ones.  They will all continue to be made here, including the new Bronze, Silver and Gold bats (assuming that we go ahead with them).  We also designed them from scratch and don't just put the stickers on.  Maybe I am missing something, but I am struggling to see how they are not following our ethos?

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« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2015, 12:52:34 PM »

not mentioned so far but don't Warsop do the whole shabang from start to finish, anyone who's been down to their set up will know its a great place - you can watch bats being made right in front of you and the folks there are real friendly
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Re: Cricket Bat Manufacturers vs. Cricket Bat Brands
« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2015, 12:56:16 PM »

not mentioned so far but don't Warsop do the whole shabang from start to finish, anyone who's been down to their set up will know its a great place - you can watch bats being made right in front of you and the folks there are real friendly

I have never visited them, but I think so, and that's why they were one of the companies on my list (of 12 or 13).
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